Never enough ;)
Dave
james kong wrote:
> Just the same as the subject,anyone who know it please tell!Thank u!
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I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say about this post?
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- jvd wrote:
>
> I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> about this post?
So basically, you want us to lie, eh? ;->.
Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest discussion
about salaries is going to be necessarily negative. When something's black
lting rate is in
the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such.
-Mark
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> I wonder
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> I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say
> about this post?
So basically, you want us to lie, eh? ;->.
Se
Theres a survey link on www.tcpmag.com, check it out.
Bri
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> Just the same as the subject,anyone who know it please tell!Thank u!
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NRF.
>
>As for myself, I don't know what the going salary/consulting rate is in
>the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such.
>
>-Mark
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not
merely "anecdotal."
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Based on anecdotal evidence I've seen on this li
g salary/consulting rate is in
> >the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such.
> >
> >-Mark
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> - jvd wrote:
> >
&g
s as guys without a number but deeper and more diverse
> > expertise. It totally depends on the individual, the need, the location
>and
> > the experiences (which are unique to and every one of us).
> >
> > Will Gragido CISSP CCNP CIPTSS CCDA MCP
> > Suite 325 9
douglas mizell wrote:
> not. I honestly cannot comment on the job market at home except
> to say it
> sounds dismal, if there really are CCIE's out there fighting
> over $35K jobs
> than to hell with this whole idea, open a taco stand.
>
Which is why a growing number of them are leaving the indus
Jack Nalbandian wrote:
>
> That is anecdotal nonsense. Any major corporation in need of
> real techs and
> that has a Cisco infrastructure will certainly consider CCIEs
> very
> seriously, yes even above so-called "CS" degree holders without
> much
> experience, for technical lead positions. I c
Carroll Kong wrote:
>
>
> Even NRF has mentioned diversity is the key,
"Even" me, eh? Ouch.
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dear n rf,
area you still in networking business, and are you a CCIE?
Just curious :)
Xy
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> douglas mizell wrote:
> > not. I honestly ca
vage a disaster of a network.
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Jack Nalbandian wrote:
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> That is anecdotal nonsense.
Xy Hien Le wrote:
>
> dear n rf,
>
> area you still in networking business, and are you a CCIE?
> Just curious :)
> Xy
It's more fun to remain anonymous. ;-)
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Jack Nalbandian wrote:
>
> >
> CCIEs with some experience are considered to have "college
> equivalent
> experience and training" as it pertains to technical know-how,
> knowledge
> that has proven to be crucial in the survival of a few
> companies that I have
> worked in. The companies did not
douglas mizell wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>I don't normally participate in threads like this
> but I could not
> resist. Everything posted so far is probably correct and
> necessary and would
> apply generically to any job hunt. I have my lab scheduled for
> October
> (first attempt). I started
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Jack Nalbandian wrote:
>
> >
> CCIEs with some experience are considered to have "college
> equivalent
> experience and training" as it pertains to technical know-h
Jack Nalbandian wrote:
>
> The consensus among all corporate managers that I have dealt
> with is that
> CCIEs cannot obtain their status with at least some real
> experience. That
> is the consensus. Don't shoot me for it.
\
Those corporate managers are wrong. They may want to look up the ter
\> >
>
> I just don't believe that you can not
> find a job if you are experienced and certified. It might not
> be your dream job. it might not pay as much as you thought you
> would be making now. And it might require you to relocate.
> But there are jobs out there.
The issue is not findi
n rf wrote:
> Therefore when people say there are no jobs, they don't mean
> that there are literally no jobs, they mean that the overall
> quality of the jobs has declined dramatically (something which
> I doubt anybody will seriously dispute) such that other options
> look mighty attractive by c
Oh, but I thought "corporate management can never be wrong."
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Jack Nalban
David Vital wrote:
My frame of reference
> must just be so dramatically different from a lot of the
> other's here. I don't understand what all the griping is
> about. I read a quote in an article the other day that just
> rings totally true to me. "Nobody is worth $200,000 a year.
> NOBODY. " I
Jack Nalbandian wrote:
>
> Oh, but I thought "corporate management can never be wrong."
I never said that. Corporate management can indeed be wrong - but not for
long. Slowly but eventually, the free market adjusts.
For example, right now, what if Harvard all of a sudden got really easy -
eas
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> But then the next problem is "how many years" of experience is
> considered valid?
>
> Honestly, I do not think the number of years of experience
> means that
> much a fair number of the time. Why? Well, it depends on the
> "quality" of the experience, in my book.
>
> Advanced troublesho
At 3:53 PM + 6/26/03, douglas mizell wrote:
>Jeez,
>
> That is ridiculous, the program is run by Cisco, a private
>corporation. It is not a government entity and requiring those types of
>prerequisites makes no sense. How do you quantify experience anyway?
Several ways. In an act
> > But then the next problem is "how many years" of experience is
> > considered valid?
> >
> > Honestly, I do not think the number of years of experience
> > means that
> > much a fair number of the time. Why? Well, it depends on the
> > "quality" of the experience, in my book.
> >
> > Adva
Carroll Kong wrote:
> >
> > Look, first of all, I'm obviously not endorsing that anybody
> with x years of
> > experience are automatically handed a ccie number. They
> would still have to
> > pass the test just like anybody else.
>
> I trimmed down some of my extra fluff in the quote, sorry, ju
douglas mizell wrote:
>
> Jeez,
>
> That is ridiculous, the program is run by Cisco, a
> private
> corporation. It is not a government entity and requiring those
> types of
> prerequisites makes no sense.
Well, to use that line of thought, why not just go all the way? Why require
> The point is that in any profession, somewhere along the line, somebody is
> making an arbitrary decision. Medicine, law, you name it - somewhere along
> the line an arbitrary decision is being made. To say that the CCIE
process
> should be any different is really to hold the program to perfec
> I'm not quite sure where this is going to go, but as you may know,
> I've worked pretty extensively in medicine, have developed expert
> systems for diagnosis, etc. When you mentioned Doogie Howser, you
> gave me several flashbacks to some very bright young interns that
> don't necessarily ha
At 4:56 AM + 6/28/03, Carroll Kong wrote:
>
>I liked Howard's idea, however, yes it is not scalable, but would
>improve the quality. My other post suggested, Cisco has not shown
>any real attempt to make it that much harder, they do want more CCIEs
>out there. If that is what they want, nothi
At 11:19 AM -0400 6/29/03, Carroll Kong wrote:
> > I'm not quite sure where this is going to go, but as you may know,
>> I've worked pretty extensively in medicine, have developed expert
>> systems for diagnosis, etc. When you mentioned Doogie Howser, you
>> gave me several flashbacks to some v
I think we're really approaching a discussion of operational
knowledge vs. technical knowledge. The young intern (and the ones
at the teaching hospital here really do look they're right out of
high school last week) has a lot of knowlege, and it isn't just
crammed into her head; it's organized,
I think we're really approaching a discussion of operational
knowledge vs. technical knowledge. The young intern (and the ones
at the teaching hospital here really do look they're right out of
high school last week) has a lot of knowlege, and it isn't just
crammed into her head; it's organized,
> let's put it this way...there are ways of correlating medical
> laboratory tests that I worked out on my own. Indeed, when I was
> about 16, I came up with a hypothesis independently (but triggered by
> an aside in a paper on something else) that;
> (1) it would be clinically useful to b
At 11:19 AM -0400 6/29/03, Carroll Kong wrote:
> > I'm not quite sure where this is going to go, but as you may know,
>> I've worked pretty extensively in medicine, have developed expert
>> systems for diagnosis, etc. When you mentioned Doogie Howser, you
>> gave me several flashbacks to some v
Carroll Kong wrote:
>
> I liked Howard's idea, however, yes it is not scalable, but
> would
> improve the quality. My other post suggested, Cisco has not
> shown
> any real attempt to make it that much harder, they do want more
> CCIEs
> out there. If that is what they want, nothing we do will
>
> > Well, even in THIS case it is far more reasonable. Documented
> > hours
> > of hard testing/working on networking gear in a "lab" by
> > Cisco. That
> > I would go for. Because, like I said 3 years of router rubbing
> > ...
> > come on, I am sure you have had assignments which let you
> > de
Carroll Kong wrote:
>>
> However, in terms of sensible fairness, I do not see how having
> years
> of "production experience" is going to mean crap if you utilize
> it
> improperly or got little out of it. (think of the guy who
> calls TAC
> every other day, and now thinks that the config regi
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