Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do think that one can achieve greatness in practice without going > to school. What education teaches you though which I believe no one > spoke about is how to think & how to teach. education lastly gives > you wings to inderstand th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

>>What education teaches you though which I believe no one spoke about is how to think & how to teach. education lastly gives you wings to inderstand the impractical. Learning failure as part if a process & expressions just for you. hrm...I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the above st

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Jun 20, 2008, at 7:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always found it interesting that in the UX world we tend to focus on the masters level with very little done at the Bachelor's level. My question to SVA & CMU & KU is why are there no bachelor of IxD programs next to you MA programs? pe

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Good question Dave. Let me give it a historical twist. Journalism is a field looking back on 50 years or so of accredited bachelor's degree programs. These days most of the journalists working in the field have bachelor's degrees in journalism, from accredited programs, whether practice-oriented

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Is this all (both threads) really just a question of "this point in history"? Would I hire an Industrial Designer who doesn't have a degree in ID? Isn't the expectation if hiring a junior graphic designer that they have a degree in visual design? I have always found it interesting that in the UX

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

I'm sorry, but what's your point? Angel Marquez wrote: spectator On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM, j. eric townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Uday Gajendar wrote: Speaking as a Master's degree holder, i'm biased but I'd say the advantages are p

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

At risk of sounding like Uday's hallalujah chorus (yo Uday!), let me press on. The best thing grad school did for me was FORCE me to get into theoretical areas that I had natural resistances to, and FORCE me to justify and defend the theories that I wanted to hang on to like sacred cows. So let's

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

spectator On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 5:11 PM, j. eric townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uday Gajendar wrote: > >> Speaking as a Master's degree holder, i'm biased but I'd say the >> advantages are primarily: >> > > That pretty much lines up with my desire to go back to grad school, > especially

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Off-topic] Alarm Clock Recommendations

I've had a Zen Alarm Clock for some years now: http://www.now-zen.com/cgi-bin/orders/shop.pl?ACTION=ENTER+SHOP&thispage=zenclocks&AFFILIATE=google73&ORDER_ID=%21ORDERID%21 I love it, but then I'm a left coast tree-hugger from the Pacific Northwest, your mileage may vary. The tall triangular versio

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Uday Gajendar wrote: Speaking as a Master's degree holder, i'm biased but I'd say the advantages are primarily: That pretty much lines up with my desire to go back to grad school, especially #3. I've got a ton of industry experience in related disciplines, but taking a year or two off of eve

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

> > Would you take a Psych class from someone who doesn't have a degree in > Psych, but has counseled their friends on relationships for years? > Apples and oranges. You can't/shouldn't actually call yourself a psychologist without a Psych degree. Things get a bit more strict when you're dealing w

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxDProfessionals

On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Harvinder wrote: I would say it will make sense for senior ixda Professionals to go for a degree only if it is from a top design school and I see now a trend for more and more companies looking for a Master's degree when they advertise their jobs. Just one mo

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

> Seriously, though—why should it be a requirement? Why do you have to have a > degree to know how to teach a class that gets someone else a degree? I think it depends. It depends on the field. It depends on the person's experience. In an MFA program, probably all that matters is the person is a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

> > Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply >> qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on >> the >> HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education? >> > > Perhaps you know more than I -- > HappyCog is Zeldman's design consultanc

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

> > Perhaps you know more than I -- but I was struck by what was missing after > going to every one of the listed faculty member's sites. Do any of these > folks even have masters degrees? Not one of them lists their education on > their personal or professional sites. Ironic for faculty of a maste

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

> > We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly >> designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or >> HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and >> more >> MFA in Interactive/Interface Design. >> > Great point. I don't

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

I was neither arguing that interface design was interactive design, nor arguing that interaction design was information architecture. You must have misunderstood me. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Will Evans wrote:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Will Evans wrote: We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and more MFA in Interactive/Int

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ > > > I'm interested in how Zeldman fits into a MFA on interaction design. Is > learning web standards part of the curriculum? If so, shoul

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Sharing the same alma mater as both Jack and Uday may response may be bias. Unlike Jack and Uday I worked for several years as an UI Designer and Interaction design before I attended CMU. For many of us, our entrance into the filed has been serendipitous %u2013 by either graphic design, architec

Re: [IxDA Discuss] new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

> > http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/ I'm interested in how Zeldman fits into a MFA on interaction design. Is learning web standards part of the curriculum? If so, should it be? (Maybe so, it just stuck me as odd, so I thought I'd toss it out there.) Also,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:37 AM, dave malouf wrote: The theory stuff I think is easy to pick up on one's one. Hmm, I dunno about that :-). Sure anyone can read a book or several books and mailing lists and articles that alot of us write or publish even on this list. But it doesn't match the r

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxDProfessionals

people with degrees CAN be the equivalent of those kids that have really expensive music equipment but couldn't play anything worth listening too if their life depended on it. in my proven work experience the most valuable players never had a a formal education. the ones that do like to debate mor

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxDProfessionals

On Jun 20, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Harvinder wrote: We are a UX recruting firm and work with a lot of Fortune companies as clients. I have recently seen that in a lot of UX positions companies are increasingly asking for a Master's degree in design, HCI or related fields. We recently got some bod

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Fred Beecher wrote: Yes, I realize the horror of what I'm doing, analyzing education based on the numbers. But really, some degree of this is necessary *once you've got an established career.* That's fine and understandable. I'd just go back to what I said: "in

[IxDA Discuss] [Off-topic] Alarm Clock Recommendations

There was a list discussion a couple years ago about alarm clocks... http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=5934 ...and it made me wonder-- what do usability-sensitive people use for alarm clocks? I'm at a point where I'm ready to buy the last alarm clock I'll ever need, so for argument's sake, le

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxDProfessionals

We are a UX recruting firm and work with a lot of Fortune companies as clients. I have recently seen that in a lot of UX positions companies are increasingly asking for a Master's degree in design, HCI or related fields. We recently got some body interviewed at Microsoft who has 8 years of strong

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Christine Boese wrote: #1 & #2: Networking, and name schools. I come from humanities, and never had the kind of engineering connections I craved, because in my undergrad world, engineers and CS folks just didn't talk with humanities people. You gotta get to the

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Anyone worked with XForms

yes Jens, that's exactly what I mean :) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30436 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Anyone worked with XForms

> Anyone worked with XForms, or even better Lotus Forms for creating XForms? Do you mean (just comes to my mind)? -- Jens Meiert http://meiert.com/en/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (Ix

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

> > I find sketching out interactions on a big pad of paper to be far superior > to working from a whiteboard The simple act of standing up to use a giant whiteboard is perspective-altering. Great for getting out of the usual desk-chair slump and getting those synapses firing. It turns design int

[IxDA Discuss] Call for Submissions: IxDA Interaction|09

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

I have a CS degree, a family, and roughly the same amount of experience, mostly in UI implementation (with ad hoc design) rather than hardcore IxD. I do a lot of reading, and I'm subjecting my coworkers to a design process as I flesh it out and test it. I took a look at the Cooper IxD Practicum, a

[IxDA Discuss] Anyone worked with XForms

Anyone worked with XForms, or even better Lotus Forms for creating XForms? Anything to be aware of? Major obstacles in terms of UX? If your cool with talking off-list, I'd love to pick your brain(s). -- adam connor Welcome to the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

From the perspective of someone who has 3/4 of a comp sci BACHelor's degree...the only effect I have seen the lack of degree have is on my starting salary. I make up for it in effort, and usually make up the difference within a year, but it's getting a little tiring (that's why I'm finishi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Using full categories navbar in SRP, yes or no?

On the Search Results Page, does the list of Categories help you narrow the Search Results? (Hint: yes, it should). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30410 ___

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Fred, I'm in almost the exact same situation, I've got 7 years of experience under my belt, and the thought of uprooting my family and leaving my job, just doesn't seem practical. Combine that though with the fact that my Bachelors is actually in CompSci and not design and you'll start to see why

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

As someone who really got off on the "deep dive," I gotta second what Uday says below. The strongest factors for me were (in order): #3, the Deep Dive. #1 & #2: Networking, and name schools. I come from humanities, and never had the kind of engineering connections I craved, because in my undergra

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

> > And can we please stop referring to a graduate degree as "a piece of > paper"? I meant this only in the sense that some employers require it regardless of what you know or how good or experienced you are. Dell, for example (from what I've heard), requires at least a Masters before they'll eve

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

> > Speaking as a Master's degree holder, i'm biased but I'd say the advantages > are primarily: > Well said! Those might be the 4 best reasons I've ever read to go to college. It's nice to see someone who cares about the work more than the piece of paper. -r- _

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On 6/20/08, Uday Gajendar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And can we please stop referring to a graduate degree as "a piece of > paper"? I find that personally offensive and downright insulting. I didn't > spend $100K for a piece of paper. I spend 100K for a launchpad to a career > and all that

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

> > I'm wondering how many, if any of you use pencil/pen and paper to work out > wireframes? I use my wall-sized whiteboard when in my home office, and a Moleskine when out and about. Sketching is fast and very effective for brainstorming. I also take pictures of the whiteboard sketches using my

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Martin, in practice it definitely does. But not necessarily b/c of complexity, but b/c of where my confidence (or the groups confidence is in regards to the element). So sometimes I do more sketches for the smaller objects. Ideally though I would to be as prolific in my sketching variety as possi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:53 AM, Fred Beecher wrote: You can get this by going to conferences as well. Especially with Crowdvine coming into high usage. Search for interesting/famous people to talk to, then go find them at the conference. Also, just participating in online communities like thi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

I admit I hadn't considered using paper quite so big. I also should say that I really don't like arguing, but I feel I should clarify some things: Some people feel like prototyping with a computer discourages changing your mind about a particular layout or interaction. I don't feel that way. It's

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

hmmm seriously, your computer is negatively contributing to the environment at a rate far exceeding any design team's use of paper. paper and pen (or white boarding) are essential tools in design. omitting them has serious consequences. if you understand design process, there are divergent stages

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Funny enough, I draw faster on paper than I do online, and I feel that paper really stretches tremendously more than the screen does. Maybe my monitor is too small (22" doesn't even begin to give me the room to expand), but I have a 24x18" sketch pad on which I draw most of my first inklin

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

I'm presently interviewing candidates for a senior UX/UI job(s), and a related graduate degree is good, but if the candidate doesn't have experience, they're still considered a newbie. I'd rate education and experience in this order, (this is a generalization from actual interviews with candidates

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:37:59, dave malouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fred, are you kidding? How can you compare a week, a week there > conference experiences to the experience of school? What are you > doing is saying that a vacation is the same as living there and > learning the language? It a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Hi Dave, Does what you're designing (and its constraints) affect the number of different ideas you sketch? I'm thinking that if you were trying to come up with different ideas for the layout of a simple form, you would probably sketch fewer ideas than if you were trying to come up with different i

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The new UI wars: Why there's no Flash on iPhone 2.0

My guess is that the next UI paradigm (in this context, at least) will not be developed in the kind of environment in which Adobe developers work, but in some small shop where people are free to create lean code nearly from scratch. Apple's success has come from making it easy and intuitive for th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Also, if you have the option of avoiding paper, I think it's the environmentally responsible thing to do. And if you're showing your sketch to someone who isn't in the office with you, you'll probably use a scanner or fax machine, which is more energy and paper wasted. Bah. Paper. . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The new UI wars: Why there's no Flash on iPhone 2.0

I always thought the Flash thing was about the UI but not about new UIs being built for applications but the fact many existing flash usages simply won't work on a small touch screen device. In short flash on the iPhone would often break the web browsing user experience in the way it's used. For th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Paper refuses to stretch for me, either horizontally or vertically, in the way that Web browsers do. I suppose if there's a particular piece of an interface that you're imagining, and want to show someone, paper is okay. But not an entire page. My practical answer is that I am much faster using a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Data entry format for phone numbers

Hi Hari, Use a single field entry. Do NOT break the number into three separate fields. You should allow the field to accept and remove blanks and other separators. For International phone numbers, if it is critical, you need to know the specific country and then format for that country. Otherwise

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Like you Mike I am a great believer in pen and paper. Sketching ideas out on paper is a much more creative process than sitting in front of a screen alone. It helps you as the designer play around with many more concepts, which you can then refine down to an agreed approach and its simply more fu

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

> Does anyone else use sketches in their workflow, > either for internal use or sharing with clients? > I'm curious. Here's a post from a while ago on my personal > blog about sketching: Mike, I've admired your sketches since seeing your Flickr set of moleskine sketches from SEED 3, an ins

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

i tend toward graph paper and my sharpie first. that way, i can draw out some screens and go over them with other people before committing to a flow that could very well change; and the tools i'm allowed to work with (at work) leave a lot to be desired; which could end up costing me a lot of time.

[IxDA Discuss] Data entry format for phone numbers

Dear All, I would like to hear advice from IXDA members on the format for entering phone numbers in a web application. Should it be displayed as - + |Textfield for country code| |Textfield for area code| |Textfield for phone number| OR - + |Textfield for the entire number| OR - |T

[IxDA Discuss] Using full categories navbar in SRP, yes or no?

Hello folks. I'm assisting the design team to create an e-commerce website. The website has a few hundred items, with the typical product-category left navigation bar in the home page and listings page, with 10 to 20 categories and probably subcategories. Also typical, when browsing categorie

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Whiteboard and marker. Then straight to Axure. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30390 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxDProfessionals

dave malouf wrote: > If you don't have a degree, and I was looking to hire you, I'd be > looking for deep understanding of theory, really good craft, and the > ability to communicate your design process--not your research and > analysis process. In my experience, Dave, you're one in a million, if

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Speaking of sketching. A List Apart (a great Web Design Blog) has a piece on prototypes ("Sketching in code") ... Here is the article: http://alistapart.com/articles/sketchingincode/ Here is my response: http://alistapart.com/comments/sketchingincode?page=2#18 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

Just posted a blog post on sketching myself just last night. In it I'm trying to distinguish between "sketching" and "drawing" and talk about "sketching" specifically as a design tool. But to me the importance of "lead/ink to paper/wall" is less important than the intentionality. Not everyone has

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sketching as a Wireframing Tool

I always sketch first, and depending on the size of the project and number of people involved, I do it collaboratively with other members of the project team. The sketches last for a while and go through a few iterations, but typically, more formal, digital wireframes are created from them. This t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Fred, are you kidding? How can you compare a week, a week there conference experiences to the experience of school? What are you doing is saying that a vacation is the same as living there and learning the language? It ain't! Ok, I'm NOT a degree holder and I miss it every day of my career. I look

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

Side note: I apologize for the double posting at the beginning of the thread. There was a lag after I sent in the original post and I was worried it never made it so I sent another. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.o

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On 6/20/08, Uday Gajendar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Connor, Adam wrote: > >> The recent thread on the SVA program and subsequent writing about online >> programs has got me wondering - how important is a Masters Degree in a >> > design related discipline to the suc

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Connor, Adam wrote: The recent thread on the SVA program and subsequent writing about online programs has got me wondering - how important is a Masters Degree in a design related discipline to the success of one's career? Speaking as a Master's degree holder, i'm