Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-14 Thread Phil Meyer
>Yeah I base all of my tagging standards on foobars recommendations - so >I use ALBUM ARTIST (rather than ALBUMARTIST or TPE2) for defining VA >albums. > >I suppose you're right that SBS won't use this in any of it's logic - >however through the web interface I can now search for Artist > >Soundtra

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-14 Thread Phil Meyer
>its true that you don't need albumarist tags on everything... for SBS. >but to just put them on everything doesn't hurt > It does change the behaviour a bit in some places within some Squeezebox player UI's. eg. It also means it will list both the artist and album artist in song info, which in

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-13 Thread lordgibbness
Yeah I base all of my tagging standards on foobars recommendations - so I use ALBUM ARTIST (rather than ALBUMARTIST or TPE2) for defining VA albums. I suppose you're right that SBS won't use this in any of it's logic - however through the web interface I can now search for Artist > Soundtrack (an

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread MrSinatra
np, let me just add some things though... its true that you don't need albumarist tags on everything... for SBS. but to just put them on everything doesn't hurt, AND makes for a more or less uniform exp across pretty much most every app. ...except foobar (it seems). if you are using TXXX ALBU

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread Phil Meyer
>I just thought I should make clear that I am using the 'ALBUM ARTIST' >tag to hold the string Compilation or Soundtrack as per the foobar2000 >standards for 'Various Artists' fields. > Good; you're half way there. Because you have set ALBUM ARTIST=, by definition it is not a compilation, because

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread lordgibbness
MrSinatra;589035 Wrote: > lord, > > when i came to SBS, it was confusing because the standards and terms > were all conflated, and thats still the case today. you need to > understand some non-intuitive things, first check out the id3 standard > for mp3s: > > www.id3.org > > notice there is n

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread snarlydwarf
lordgibbness;589016 Wrote: > Hmm.. I'm not sure your example makes sense as the second rule from the > fb2k article is > > "tag should only exist if an album contains various artists. It should > NOT be created when an album does not contain various artists. " > > So you'd only add ALBUM ARTIST

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread JJZolx
lordgibbness;589032 Wrote: > This is exactly how SBS does NOT work though. I have 'ALBUM ARTIST' set > to something (most ppl set it to VA - I set it to Compilation) but SBS > requires the COMPILATION tag to be set, I believe. Requires it for *what*? What I'm asking is this What behavior d

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread MrSinatra
lord, when i came to SBS, it was confusing because the standards and terms were all conflated, and thats still the case today. you need to understand some non-intuitive things, first check out the id3 standard for mp3s: www.id3.org notice there is no frame for "albumartist" (or "album artist")

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread lordgibbness
JJZolx;589023 Wrote: > > If you set ALBUMARTIST to anything, and 'Group compilation albums > together' is set, the individual artists will be considered 'track' > arists and will not appear in your artist list. This is what most > people want, so that the artist list isn't cluttered by one-track

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread JJZolx
What do you hope to accomplish by having an album marked as a "compilation"? If you set ALBUMARTIST to -anything-, and 'Group compilation albums together' is set, the individual artists will be considered 'track' arists and will not appear in your artist list. This is what most people want, so t

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread lordgibbness
snarlydwarf;589011 Wrote: > That would be problematic for me: what is to differentiate a compilation > album from a legit release by the artist named 'Various Artists'? > > http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8e107957-c443-45b4-84f7-8b054499ef78.html > > there is a difference between "an album by the

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread snarlydwarf
lordgibbness;589009 Wrote: > I just thought I should make clear that I am using the 'ALBUM ARTIST' > tag to hold the string Compilation or Soundtrack as per the foobar2000 > standards for 'Various Artists' fields. > > http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Encouraged_Tag_Standa

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread lordgibbness
Philip Meyer;588703 Wrote: > > When you say you are setting the "albumartist" tag, what tag format are > you setting? If it is id3, are you actually setting Band (called the > TPE2 frame), or an "Album Artist" tag? > > Are you aware that SBS automatically detects albums as compilations if > yo

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-12 Thread lordgibbness
This looks like a complete guide to compilation albums in SBS. I'll have to have a good read... http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Compilations -- lordgibbness lordgibbness's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/mem

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread lordgibbness
Phil Leigh;588711 Wrote: > If you set ALBUMARTIST to anything, SBS will not treat this as a > compilation... unless you also set the COMPILATION tag to 1. > > There aren't any other choices. On the settings page 'My Music' there is a Compilations section which has the following options (which I

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread snarlydwarf
Phil Leigh;588711 Wrote: > If you set ALBUMARTIST to anything, SBS will not treat this as a > compilation... unless you also set the COMPILATION tag to 1. > > There aren't any other choices. And a clarification as to why this is the case: if you have a tribute album that is composed of a dozen

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread garym
Phil Leigh;588711 Wrote: > If you set ALBUMARTIST to anything, SBS will not treat this as a > compilation... unless you also set the COMPILATION tag to 1. > > There aren't any other choices. easy enough to pull up all your compilation albums in mp3tag and add COMPILATION tag with value of "1" f

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread Phil Leigh
lordgibbness;588709 Wrote: > Hi, the compilation tag sounds like a workaround which could work, but > I'd like to see about getting the albumartist tagging working if I > could in the first instance (no need to retag anything). > > I'll post back with full examples to help you understand what is

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread lordgibbness
Hi, the compilation tag sounds like a workaround which could work, but I'd like to see about getting the albumartist tagging working if I could in the first instance (no need to retag anything). I'll post back with full examples to help you understand what isn't working correctly. cheers. --

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread Phil Meyer
>I'm just wondering if the various artists logic works correctly? > Yes, it does work. >I have many compilations and soundtracks where i set the albumartist >tag to 'Compilation' or 'Soundtrack' accordingly - but still have the >artist set correctly (so that it is correct on a track-by-track basis

Re: [slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread Phil Leigh
The method that works fine for me is (and always has been): 1) do NOT set albumartist to anything! - leave it blank. 2) set the COMPILATION tag to 1 All comps now appear under "Various Artists" in the various Browse menus. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD

[slim] Various Artists

2010-11-11 Thread lordgibbness
Hi, I'm just wondering if the various artists logic works correctly? I have many compilations and soundtracks where i set the albumartist tag to 'Compilation' or 'Soundtrack' accordingly - but still have the artist set correctly (so that it is correct on a track-by-track basis. I can show examp

Re: [slim] Various Artists Tagging Query

2010-01-10 Thread Richard Scales
ists'. That may just be it - it's all in the tags (and how many times have I read that on these forums!) From: discuss-boun...@lists.slimdevices.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Richard Scales Sent: 10 January 2010 15:31 To: 'Slim Devices Discu

[slim] Various Artists Tagging Query

2010-01-10 Thread Richard Scales
Historically I have always tagged albums which contain tracks by various Artists so that each track has the Artist Name set to the Artists Name, the Track Title set to the Title of the Track and the Album Title set to the Title of the Album. I and using Tag & Rename to do all my tagging. In

Re: [slim] Various Artists: Is this the intended behavior?

2009-03-07 Thread Lleo_
This is it! not sure when I changed this setting, or whether an update to Squeezecenter came with this set as default, but now I know. Thanks a lot for helping! Good listening, Lleo_ -- Lleo_ Lleo_'s Profile: http://forums

Re: [slim] Various Artists: Is this the intended behavior?

2009-03-06 Thread slimkid
settings -> music library -> Filter genres at the album & track level. -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8

[slim] Various Artists: Is this the intended behavior?

2009-03-06 Thread Lleo_
When I navigate on my SB3 to a specific genre, and within that to Various Artists, it brings up all the Various Artists albums I have, not just the ones in the genre I selected. On the screen it displays: 'selected genre'/Various Artists 1 of 139 'Title of my first Various Artists album' but

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Meyer
>I have just re-ripped Supernatural using the latest dBPoweramp (V13 >Reference) and this automatically sets Compilation=0 which is helpful. >It also sets Album Artist = Santana > I think you'll find that dbPowerAmp stores Album Artist in a band tag. I have dbPowerAmp (don't use the ripper, only u

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Meyer
>why does SC conflate an albums property, with how that album is named >(named via album artist?) > >what i would do, is if something seems like a comp to SC, and there is >no album artist or TPE2 tag for it to use, it should then use the ALBUM >name, and set the COMP field in the positive. > >i kn

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread MrSinatra
BBear;314411 Wrote: > Folks - could someone please explain to me why we need this TPE logic at > all. not sure what you mean by that. one thing is treat TPE2 as ALBUMARTIST which is fairly straight forward. the other thing is a function SC has of VA detection logic. i contend we don't need th

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread NigelC
I used to have my library and Slimserver set up just how I like it - Compilations were correctly listed under Various Artists and contributing artists did not appear in the main list of Artists. This seems to have changed, now that I've moved to SC 7 The problem occurs when an album with a main

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;314375 Wrote: > >What's wrong with putting Various Artists in the Album Artist tag if > you > >are saying that you want this as the Album Artists name. > Nothing really wrong with doing that. It's just a name after all. > > However, I don't consider "Various Artists" to be an artis

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread BBear
Folks - could someone please explain to me why we need this TPE logic at all. Over the last 2 years I have been following the guidelines for ripping my music collection using EAC into flac files. These are stored in the recommended ARTIST\ALBUM or VARIOS ARTIST\GENRE\ALBUM structure. Until SC7.01

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Meyer
>What's wrong with putting Various Artists in the Album Artist tag if you >are saying that you want this as the Album Artists name. Nothing really wrong with doing that. It's just a name after all. However, I don't consider "Various Artists" to be an artist name; it's another miss-use of the tag

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread erland
slimkid;314225 Wrote: > Hi Erland, > > sorry to abuse your time and patience, but could you just confirm what > I think I understand (or assume) from all this: > I just did some tests based on MP3 files with TPE2 tags and no custom tags. slimkid;314225 Wrote: > If there is a unique ALBUMARTI

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread slimkid
erland;314024 Wrote: > > 1. > Bug '#8001' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8001) makes > MP3 files work as FLAC files, with the new option you can instruct > SqueezeCenter to treat TPE2 as ALBUMARTIST. The result is that MP3 > albums with a TPE2 tag will not be treated as compilatio

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Nonreality
Philip Meyer;314180 Wrote: > >would you prefer i had TPE2 say "Compilation"? why would you be > >against it anyway? > > By setting anything in an album artist tag, you are stating that an > album isn't a compilation album, so to call the album artist > "Compilation" or "Various Artists" seems o

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Phil Meyer
>would you prefer i had TPE2 say "Compilation"? why would you be >against it anyway? By setting anything in an album artist tag, you are stating that an album isn't a compilation album, so to call the album artist "Compilation" or "Various Artists" seems odd. Entering "Not a compilation" as th

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Phil Meyer
>i guess i'm lost here. whats the beef? is it with non-standard tags, >or just differences between differing comp tags? is it possible for my >id3v2.3 tags to start with more than 4 characters? ie. TPE1, TPE2, >TCMP? id3v2.3 tags are held in frames. A frame is named with four characters, like

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread erland
MrSinatra;314029 Wrote: > i don't use comp tags at all. i know very little about them. i don't > really understand the difference between TCMP and COMPILATION. maybe > you can explain it to me? > > i also don't use itunes, and while my wife has a ac, i really don't do > much with it. > > all

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;314035 Wrote: > >we may have discovered a bug with it that also relates to this 8324 > issue, in > >that i can't find my 'TPE2=Various Artists' albums under the > 'Home->Artists' list. > > > I find this a strange thing to do. An album artist of "Various > Artists" seems contradictor

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;314030 Wrote: > >in other words, if it finds a string like "Various Artist" in TPE2 or > >an album artist tag, to then go ahead and classify it as a comp? > >doesn't that make sense? > > Absolutely not. A compilation album is when there are multiple artists > on an album. If you

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;314027 Wrote: > >I really don't understand the reason to start this discussion again, > but > >I guess I've probably missed something. No, I'm not trying to silence > >anyone, I just don't understand why you guys keeps spending energy on > >something that's already solved instead of

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Phil Meyer
>we may have discovered a bug with it that also relates to this 8324 issue, in >that i can't find my 'TPE2=Various Artists' albums under the 'Home->Artists' >list. > I find this a strange thing to do. An album artist of "Various Artists" seems contradictory. Any artist name being "Various Artis

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Phil Meyer
>in such a case, if there is a mismatch, it WILL call that a VA album. >i know this b/c that was the case with one of the 2 albums that was >ID'd i mentioned in my previous post. > >the code andy quotes shows this. one mismatch on one track (out of two >or more) is enough to get the classificatio

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread MrSinatra
erland;314024 Wrote: > I really don't understand the reason to start this discussion again, but > I guess I've probably missed something. No, I'm not trying to silence > anyone, I just don't understand why you guys keeps spending energy on > something that's already solved instead of doing someth

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Phil Meyer
>in other words, if it finds a string like "Various Artist" in TPE2 or >an album artist tag, to then go ahead and classify it as a comp? >doesn't that make sense? Absolutely not. A compilation album is when there are multiple artists on an album. If you have guest performers on an album and th

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread Phil Meyer
>I really don't understand the reason to start this discussion again, but >I guess I've probably missed something. No, I'm not trying to silence >anyone, I just don't understand why you guys keeps spending energy on >something that's already solved instead of doing something useful with >your time.

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-22 Thread erland
I really don't understand the reason to start this discussion again, but I guess I've probably missed something. No, I'm not trying to silence anyone, I just don't understand why you guys keeps spending energy on something that's already solved instead of doing something useful with your time. 1.

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;313990 Wrote: > >well, i dispute it. as i've said many times, *half* of what it > >identified it got wrong. its simply a bad design assumption. > > > Half of what it identified for *you* may have been wrong. But even > then, what do you mean by half? Half of your music collection

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread Phil Meyer
Forgot to mention that www.id3.org has some information on non-compliant tags set by apps: http://www.id3.org/Compliance_Issues Plenty of iTunes, WinAmp and WMP non-compliancy issues listed which you may find useful. Phil ___ discuss mailing list disc

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread Phil Meyer
>well, i dispute it. as i've said many times, *half* of what it >identified it got wrong. its simply a bad design assumption. > Half of what it identified for *you* may have been wrong. But even then, what do you mean by half? Half of your music collection, or of all compilation albums, or of

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread MrSinatra
Andy, thx for this info, but can you please clarify: andyg;313908 Wrote: > Here's what the 'merge various artists' step of the scanner is doing: > > > Code: > > > Find all albums not currently marked as a compilation. > For each of those albums: > Get all tracks

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;313911 Wrote: > >its the rules that are the problem. the reason it is silly, is b/c it > >assumes that any album with a single TPE1 mismatch is a VA / comp > >album. that is ludicrous. > No, it's not ludicrous. The vast majority of albums that have the same > artist on every song

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;313911 Wrote: > > >that kind of "auto-detection" would be head and shoulders above what > we > >have now. > > > So instead of looking for COMPILATION=1, it would look for > ARTIST="Various Artists"? You really think that's better? TPE2, not TPE1. and Andy says SC already looks fo

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread Phil Meyer
>its the rules that are the problem. the reason it is silly, is b/c it >assumes that any album with a single TPE1 mismatch is a VA / comp >album. that is ludicrous. No, it's not ludicrous. The vast majority of albums that have the same artist on every song are not various artist/compilation alb

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread andyg
Here's what the 'merge various artists' step of the scanner is doing: Code: Find all albums not currently marked as a compilation. For each of those albums: Get all tracks on the album with role = ARTIST (note: tracks with ALBUMARTIST don't have an ARTIST role, o

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread MrSinatra
htrd;313894 Wrote: > I scanned this thread and decided it was really long enough without me > adding to it. But, here I am anyway > > You've made that statement several times in this thread. I assume the > logic behind your statement is obvious to you, but it leaves me quite > puzzled. Could

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread htrd
I scanned this thread and decided it was really long enough without me adding to it. But, here I am anyway MrSinatra;313887 Wrote: > > its the rules that are the problem. the reason it is silly, is b/c it > assumes that any album with a single TPE1 mismatch is a VA / comp > album. that is

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;313874 Wrote: > I can accept that there is no harm in having an option to turn off auto > compilation detection. then thats the main thing. regardless of anything else, we agree on that, and so we agree it should not be a forced necessity on users, like me, who would rather not hav

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-21 Thread Phil Meyer
I can accept that there is no harm in having an option to turn off auto compilation detection. >i really think the current VA logic is silly (from a design POV), altho i >admit it works good for some people (in their estimations). > It's not silly. It works well, and will work correctly for the

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-20 Thread MrSinatra
hi all... reviving another old thread b/c the bug its about is due to be discussed at the next bug meeting. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8324 first, lets get back on track. the question posed by this thread is: "Is the VA detection logic necessary?" i don't see how anyone could

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>If this is a problem in my tagging or there is someway to get around >this, like it sounds you have, I'd like to follow up in another thread. >If you could help. > I haven't got anything special in my tags, just standard YEAR tags for each song. Point me at another thread or send me a PM, if you

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-09 Thread sander
Philip Meyer;309981 Wrote: > I could understand the effect you are seeing if you are trying to browse > albums ordered by year, because what year would an album be sorted > under? When I browse to an album that has different years in the tracks, it shows up as multiple albums regardless of wheth

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>but if you have an album with different year dates on the tracks it >will appear as multiple albums one for each year. That definitely doesn't happen for me; I've never seen that effect before (currently on 7.2). I'm sure I've entered different years for songs on some greatest hits albums. Of c

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-08 Thread sander
Philip Meyer;309931 Wrote: > Do you mean YEAR tag? Are you sure? I haven't seen any strange effects > with YEAR or DATE tags. Yes, I'm still running 6.5.2, I don't think things have changed since, but if you have an album with different year dates on the tracks it will appear as multiple album

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-08 Thread Phil Meyer
>In general I would say SqueezeCenter is WAY too conservative on what an >"album" is. The various artists behavior is compounded by variances in >date being treated as separate albums. Do you mean YEAR tag? Are you sure? I haven't seen any strange effects with YEAR or DATE tags.

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-08 Thread sander
erland;309543 Wrote: > I completely agree with you regarding this, I'm just not sure that the > VA logic is an important part for average users. I do understand that > it is an important part in libraries that looks like your, but I > suspect your library has a lot more artists tagged on your alb

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-06 Thread erland
MrSinatra;309428 Wrote: > > i guess i have to wait, b/c i just don't have the time to get into this > aspect of it. i've never been good at programming. also, does it cost > money? i do have a mac, but its the wifes and for now i'd rather keep > SC off of it, (and i'm not mac savvy yet anyway

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-06 Thread aubuti
MrSinatra;309428 Wrote: > i guess i have to wait, b/c i just don't have the time to get into this > aspect of it. i've never been good at programming. also, does it cost > money? i do have a mac, but its the wifes and for now i'd rather keep > SC off of it, (and i'm not mac savvy yet anyway).

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-06 Thread MrSinatra
erland;309251 Wrote: > You don't have to check folder names, the only things that might need > testing is how it reacts if album artist is set to "Various Artists" or > if a track has a single artist tag set to "Various Artists". my tags don't have an "album artist" tag at all. thats a user def

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-05 Thread erland
MrSinatra;309211 Wrote: > > right... it'll take some experimenting to see if certain strings in > tags or folder names cause one to be considered a comp by SC. my guess > is that SC won't look at strings or folder names with the VA logic > turned off, but its just a guess. > You don't have to

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-05 Thread MrSinatra
erland;309207 Wrote: > Logitech regularly looks through bug/enhancement reports with provided > patches and checks if the patch is good enough. If there is an > enhancement, they also decide if they like to add it to SqueezeCenter > and thus also manage the potential support issues later related

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-05 Thread erland
MrSinatra;309158 Wrote: > > so my question to you is what happens on the slim developer side, or > what is needed, to get this option incorporated into the nightly > betas? > Logitech regularly looks through bug/enhancement reports with provided patches and checks if the patch is good enough. I

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-05 Thread MrSinatra
erland, thats awesome! so my question to you is what happens on the slim developer side, or what is needed, to get this option incorporated into the nightly betas? i really do believe some users will find this option very useful, especially infrant users but not limited only to them. here's my

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread erland
kdf;308767 Wrote: > > However, as unsupported goes, SC is, as always open source. Download > the tar.gz version, install activePerl and remove this line from > Slim\Music\Import.pm > > Slim::Schema->mergeVariousArtistsAlbums; > > It's around line 350 or so (plus remove the two lines before it

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread kdf
Short answer is that it would need to be supported, and that's a lot easier to say (or request) than do. It's rather obvious with 7.0 - 7.3 all in the targets, that there is a lot on the go. However, as unsupported goes, SC is, as always open source. Download the tar.gz version, install activeP

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread MrSinatra
mherger;308740 Wrote: > > Jim i appreciate the reply, but i don't see why this should have to > wait > > for 7.3! ...or a whole new database schema. > > Because we rather concentrate on doing 7.3 right than wasting time > fixing and breaking again the current logic. > > Michael i am asking thi

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread Phil Leigh
MrSinatra;308732 Wrote: > Jim i appreciate the reply, but i don't see why this should have to wait > for 7.3! ...or a whole new database schema. > > my hope is that erland or phil or kdf or greg (or someone) will > consider the worthiness of my bug report, and hopefully find it worthy, > and imp

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread Michael Herger
> Jim i appreciate the reply, but i don't see why this should have to wait > for 7.3! ...or a whole new database schema. Because we rather concentrate on doing 7.3 right than wasting time fixing and breaking again the current logic. -- Michael ___ di

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread MrSinatra
Jim i appreciate the reply, but i don't see why this should have to wait for 7.3! ...or a whole new database schema. my hope is that erland or phil or kdf or greg (or someone) will consider the worthiness of my bug report, and hopefully find it worthy, and implement the option. but just waiting

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread egd
MrSinatra;308712 Wrote: > first, i've been away. i got married.As I say to all who succumb to this > fate, myself included..."Commiserations, you can't be happy all your life". ;) -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut co

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread JJZolx
MrSinatra;308712 Wrote: > first, i've been away. i got married. but now i would like to revisit > these issues. This thread is dead. Dead. Dead, I tell you. :-) It's very clear by recent activity in bugzilla that there are very large changes planned for the database structure and how it wil

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-04 Thread MrSinatra
guys... first, i've been away. i got married. but now i would like to revisit these issues. so i am sorry i started these threads / topics and disappeared, but the wife, well, she wouldn't like me posting during "our time." ;) in any case... i think we have gotten somewhat off track here.

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>I don't think that's quite right; if I understood JJZolx having >ALBUMARTIST set and COMPILATION=0 is when things break. I have *no* >COMPILATION tags set, and it works for me. I was trying to say that if there is an album artist, then compilation tags should be ignored. i.e if there is an alb

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread Greg Klanderman
> Phil Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, I'd agree with that, although I think it's a bit clearer to think of the > rule as follows: > "When the scanner finds and album with an album artist tag, set > Compilation=No". > i.e. the fault is in the scanner that builds the library from

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread kdf
slimkid;300768 Wrote: > > @kdf, I believe you are listening to these discussions through eMail > and are under wrong impression that this is coming from the developers > forum. > Actually, this is coming form the General forum, and I find your > assumptions about capabilities of the discussion

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread Greg Klanderman
> JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, I've figured out the difference Jim, glad you figured out the issue - you should open a very specific bug for this. Btw, I didn't find this post offensive at all especially in relation to some of the other posts by others in these threads. Also

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>- Artist View (Home->Artists): when ALBUMARTIST tag is present in file, >then regardless of whether the album is compilation or not, it should >not go into Various Artist area. It should be listed as by > and be listed under ALBUMARTISTS in artist list >(Home->Artists->ALBUMARTIST). Right now com

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread slimkid
kdf;300675 Wrote: > > if anyone comes out of this with a point, please do us all a favour > and make it...then kill anyone who keeps muttering on about the same > points. > > -k For the sake of efficiency, I'll skip over your insulting rant and get to two points I believe everybody here ag

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread erland
kdf;300681 Wrote: > > No one taking part is actually capable of DOING anything. gotta make > > you wonder. > I'm not sure I agree if you really meant "no one", but if you change it to "most of the the people" I can agree... But I do agree that this discussion back and forth where the same a

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread Phil Meyer
>No one taking part is actually capable of DOING anything. gotta make >you wonder. I am capable of doing patches, but there's little incentive - things are generally working for me (apart from a few minor issues that I've lived with for a long time), so I'd be trying to change something in a w

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread kdf
forums.slimdevices.com> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) On 10-May-08, at 12:07 AM, JJZolx wrote: > > kdf;300681 Wrote: >> No one taking part is actually capable of DOING anything. gotta make >> you wonder. > > This isn't a developer list. right...list poli

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-10 Thread JJZolx
kdf;300681 Wrote: > No one taking part is actually capable of DOING anything. gotta make > you wonder. This isn't a developer list. That no developers take part in this type of a discussion is fairly standard. I don't think that anybody expects them to. I just learned something because of wh

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-09 Thread kdf
On 9-May-08, at 11:37 PM, JJZolx wrote: > > kdf;300675 Wrote: >> On 9-May-08, at 10:09 PM, JJZolx wrote: >>> >>> Does this make any bloody sense to anyone? >> >> I'm thinking that anyone who had even ONE braincell willing to think >> about this issue and actually make something happen.. >> lost t

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-09 Thread JJZolx
kdf;300675 Wrote: > On 9-May-08, at 10:09 PM, JJZolx wrote: > > > > Does this make any bloody sense to anyone? > > I'm thinking that anyone who had even ONE braincell willing to think > about this issue and actually make something happen.. > lost that braincell in the three threads going on in

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-09 Thread kdf
On 9-May-08, at 10:09 PM, JJZolx wrote: > > Does this make any bloody sense to anyone? I'm thinking that anyone who had even ONE braincell willing to think about this issue and actually make something happen.. lost that braincell in the three threads going on incessantly about the same thing

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-09 Thread JJZolx
gregklanderman;300632 Wrote: > > JJZolx forums.slimdevices.com> writes: > > > Albums tagged like this would be marked compilations, wouldn't they? > > > Do they get grouped under the VA artist when you browse albums > sorted > > by artist, or do they get grouped with the ALBUMARTIST? > >

Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-05-09 Thread Greg Klanderman
> JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Albums tagged like this would be marked compilations, wouldn't they? > Do they get grouped under the VA artist when you browse albums sorted > by artist, or do they get grouped with the ALBUMARTIST? These albums get grouped under the ALBUMARTIST. See

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