http://goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=174
Viking style sword, not an antique but a good modern replica, damascus
pattern welded steel, sharp edged and sturdy enough to do real cutting
(eg: cutting tatami mats or cola bottles). Usable for home defence.
Yours for a minimum bid of 20 grams
http://goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=174
See it, believe it, buy it. E-gold and GoldMoney accepted.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this crap
http://www.standardreserve.com/
gonna affect e-gold badly?
Can e-gold make some sort of press release that they're at an arms
length from Standard Reserve and totally disown them?
To those holding SR:
- If your currency provider is the same guy
James M. Ray wrote:
http://www.nai.com/other/jump/customer-faq.asp
It's interesting (to me, anyway...) that Hushmail somehow finds
a way to survive. It's probably just a coincidence Hush accepts
e-gold -- and was the only one that ever did, right? ;^)
What amazes me is that hushmail has
I'm interested to hear if anyone has (considered, non-kneejerk) ideas as
to what impact the 911 attack and the govt's reactions will have on
e-gold as a system. Is the new anti money laundering talk likely to
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Goldlist Cynic wrote:
Looks like the new moderation rules have finally done their dirty
work...
Even the valiant efforts of JPMay have been to no avail...
Its very sad.
Hmm
Roughly remembered/paraphrased from a Terry Pratchett book:
`Dwarves sing about gold all the time'
`But what is
Graham Kelly wrote:
Guys,
I'm now accepting UK depsits for gold, into my HSBC account. Details
are at my site.
Call me if you have any questions!
You definitely have my interest.
Is this:
- a UK bank account that will allow transfers using the normal
UK-mainland-internal method of
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
Thus the gold price would have to rise to roughly $5500 per ounce
($25/1.26 * $275) for each unit of fiat currency to be 100% backed
by gold.
Demand draws supply - if gold got that valuable, sources would be found,
and the supply would reinflate.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you familiar with those self-storage units you see by the highway
where for $30 a month you can rent a garage-like room with a lock --
and you can store say your excess furniture, old bikes, etc, in the
storage unit?
e-gold is
*exactly*
like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone have a good name idea?
1mdc-checking? 1mdc-bucks?
metagrams
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People have spent *millions of dollars* developing and marketing
online raffles, and then gotten lke 5 entries.
Here's a guess as to why - it would be my motivation to reach the same
decision:
- if you play an online casino and always lose, you know they're
crooked,
Viking Coder wrote:
Can you list 300 legitimate merchants that accept e-gold?
I notice the thunderous silence in response to Julian Dibbel's
question of a few days ago!
Here's a short list of e-gold accepting merchants...
Something that's missing from your list: reputation. A couple
Alexis Golzman wrote:
(2) Instead of paying for the bet, you would have to visit some sponsor
sites. Anyone has suggestions about the number of sites that bettors would
be willing to visit?
You have a business model based on advertising? Erm, experience seems to
suggest this is a bad idea.
Viking Coder wrote:
It's happening exactly like I thought it would. First, the spend page and
then the home page... how long until there are multiple popups when the
home page, or the spend page or any other page, is loaded? All of this on
a paid service who's fees aren't being reduced.
GoldSpender wrote:
Not all yet know about the crisis coming
in the US,
What crisis?
but I know and the best decision would be buying Gold (and also
Chervonetzes) or Deutsch Marks (DEM) and later Euro EUR.
DMs will have to be exchanged for euros, they'll stop being spendable.
I've heard
major bosco wrote:
So -- I guess it's OK for these GBC's to be under the thumb of the Royal
Family and the BOE, but get one ounce within 100 miles of a US border and
people start screaming bloddy murder!
Forget the bank of england.
Two places to fear:
- the EU, because they are a bunch
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
But what can they do if the corporation is operating outside the
country and has no asset in the country
They will mumble about aiding tax evasion or construe the website as
operating inside the USA.
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C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
On 21 Jul 2001, at 18:22, Julian Morrison wrote:
They will mumble about aiding tax evasion
Well...then explain why the MONEX, FIDELITRADE and other
bullion dealers in the US have been selling gold for cash since they
exist and have not been shut down
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, this changes everything. It's huge!
Ok, please explain: how does this help as versus buying from an MM or
from Omnipay? Or is this a thing that MMs themselves would be doing?
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Craig Spencer wrote:
Julian Morrison wrote:
a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into
their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general
prosper.
Strictly speaking the problem is not that they are unidentified
Dale Pond wrote:
Craig Spencer wrote:
Strictly speaking the problem is not that they are unidentified. It is
that they are criminals. Identification may filter out some of the
criminals but it does not filter out all of them and it interferes
with some perfectly legitimate
Julian Morrison wrote:
Craig Spencer wrote:
Julian Morrison wrote:
a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into
their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general
prosper.
Strictly speaking the problem
The problem:
a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into
their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general
prosper.
b) If you force identity and audit trail of all people, you leave people
no way to bypass pseudocrimes such as being unwilling to be
SnowDog wrote:
Alright, all you 'want ta hold e-gold back spend page purists'.
What's the matter with that? SHOW ME THE PROBLEM! :)
From someone who has done numerous back-to-back spends for a couple of hours
on end, I can give you my personal opinion that I want that confirmation
page
James M. Ray wrote:
http://news.independent.co.uk/digital/update/story.jsp?story=79745
If you don't have any facts, why waste valuable time asking for them?
Just skim a few articles and then dream up whatever sounds right!
I don't like the tone of these recent news articles.
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
On 25 Jun 2001, at 9:07, Sidd wrote:
Hmm, it would be very interesting to know if James Turk will try to
defend his Patent against these guys...
Who knows what plans Mr. Turk has. We know he has another
patent coming up. Maybe he is waiting for it to
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
On 25 Jun 2001, at 3:02, Julian Morrison wrote:
Patent
cross-licensing
Hello Julian,
Can you explain what you mean by the above ?
Jack has a patent on butt scratching and sues Jill.
Jill points out that Jack picks his nose, for which she has
Dagny Taggart wrote:
e-gold does not have a patent in anything. So what do
they have to offer?
Defensive patents are there to protect against patent lawsuits, not to
start them. If that's what he's doing, he's only sitting on the patent
as a means to wrangle a ceasefire if some other company
Vince Callaway wrote:
The idea hitting all of the e-gold accounts may seem like a good way to
advertise except for 2 issues.
First, how many of you actually look at your history (exchange providers
excluded).
Secondly, E-Gold does not notify people when money is placed in their
PowerClicks wrote:
why would merchants push a payment system which delays the sale?
How does e-gold delay the sale?
I guess he meant that the customer must first acquire some e-gold
before he can spend it. A slower process than with a credit card.
Exactly. You must first acquire
SnowDog wrote:
2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold
for
its use.
The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to
'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service,
(and subscriptions would be added
Ken Griffith wrote:
Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start
getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial
statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is
possible now, isn't it.
There's a good solution
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
I am betting that we will see a massive move to gold and private
money in the coming decade.
Which will annoy the national governments enough that they'll likely try
and legislate GCs into the ground, or at least tie them and regulate
them and require so much
Viking Coder wrote:
Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that
'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people.
So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if
somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto
the statements,
SnowDog wrote:
All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program,
please raise your hand.
With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to
implement, I see little way to prevent it.
I think everyone would go for it, if they could choose the
Viking Coder wrote:
So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if
somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto
the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails.
That still requires e-gold to spend time resources on making
SnowDog wrote:
Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount
they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of
accounts-by-mass?
So for e-gold what they should do is
- allow email notifies of spends along with the memo
- allow turning it off or
Here's another thought. For those who're appalled by the idea of
spamdonations and the fact that it's currently unstoppable, here's
another thought: egold could let you lock down how much minimum you're
willing to recieve in each of the metal types, anything above the
absolute floor which is
SnowDog wrote:
Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not
everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor
statements, if they bother reading them.
Actually, I was thinking it would be more elaborate than that: It would be a
special
Viking Coder wrote:
If they want a halfass currency with elastic attached, which they can
jerk back out of the merchant's hands post facto, then the *merchants*
will be quite justified in telling them to take a running jump, once
they see an alternative is available.
DING, DING,
Viking Coder wrote:
giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses
Am I the only one who doesn't want e-gold to officially turn into yet
another place to receive SPAM from?
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented.
[...]
There are other ways.
Viking Coder wrote:
Leave e-gold alone! Let it be a currency PERIOD
It already is vulnerable to push spamming.
All of my suggestions at least are simply ways to moderate this
vulnerability, although some others have suggested expanding the
vulnerability, which I disagree with.
I agree with
SnowDog wrote:
I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to
turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do
what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital
currency.
I think you're missing the point a little
Viking Coder wrote:
Oo, oo, what'd I win? :-D
A goldfish. Delivery will cost 1Kg gold. :)
Don't kid, there are probably Koi carp worth that much...
The problem that sparked this whole discussion is that it's trivial to
*push* money into people's accounts without their permission.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good idea, but I tried it already.
I used a pool of known e-gold accounts to test how many people would
read the message. Only one did out of ~ 80 tests.
Next?
One in eighty is a droolable return rate on blind spam.
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Viking Coder wrote:
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented.
[...]
There are other ways. The simplest:
[x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD]
[ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD]
You're talking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am just saying there exists no non-cottage-industry EREs.
Hence, e-gold should say since e-gold is currently only used for
HYIPs (let's call a spade a spade) and a couple of novelty sites, and
we really want some non-cottage-industry egold related enterprises,
Viking Coder wrote:
[...]Everybody
keeps saying how powerful the gold economy will be several years from now,
and then coming up with schemes to make it pre-maturely happen today.
Agreed, it's a bad idea to rush adoption speed - you need a minimum
number of *working* *trusted* sites taking
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you have it back assward there. What e-gold should do is say
hey, currently were excellently suited to cottage industries - and
small web vendors are a vast market in aggregate. Lets push e-gold as
the ultimate way to run a mom-and-pop shop!
I think you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I doubt
4) Some large vendor starts to support e-gold
will happen while the sole business model is:
your new e-gold related venture can ... reach
everyone on the e-gold mailing list!!!
Q. How do ordinary people find out about ordinary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(4) i said, Oh, there's no method for reaching egold users
(5) they said what a fucking stupid conversation this is
Suggestion: e-gold should have an e-gold adverts list with a
check-button to autosubscibe you on the account creation pages.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, why are there
0
businesses that take e-gold?
Zero businesses that accept e-gold? I can find a couple of hundred.
Craig mate, I mean serious ones. Rather than cottage industry
ones (like my crap ones, like Banana).
(Thats the perfect
Samuel Mc Kee wrote:
As I recall, Jim Ray said a couple of years back that he thought the Seven
Deadly Sins (all of them vices, IMO) might be the key to promoting
e-gold--sloth, lust, greed, vanity, and so on. Wrath is one of them, and the
more e-gold grows, the more the banking system will
Michael Moore wrote:
Paul,
Here is your article complete with photo of Doug Jackson
http://wire.ap.org/?FRONTID=HOMESITE=FLROCenter=Go
I can send you the whole copy if you wish.
This is in the FloridaToday.com Site.
My e-gold account number is 129542 (Goldtoday)
Kind
That AP article has a lot of waffling from law enforcement types about
the potential for money laundering and statements from e-gold
personnel indicating a willingness to roll over and play dead. Shame on
you!
I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a
*fundamental human
Luc Van den Borre wrote:
There's an article on Slashdot right now:
If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up
this slashdot comment:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/06/18/0229227cid=109
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SnowDog wrote:
I've said it before and I'll stand by it: money laundering is a
*fundamental human right*.
Kind of a strange quote since the act of laundering money is to take 'dirty'
money and attempt to make it look like 'clean' money. Since dirty money is
defined as money raised
Craig Spencer wrote:
Forgive my ignorance... but how do I do that?
CCS
Julian Morrison wrote:
Luc Van den Borre wrote:
There's an article on Slashdot right now:
If you support my stance on the right to launder money, please vote up
this slashdot comment:
http
Michael Moore wrote:
5. I will never disparage the Association or it's members or clients in any
way.
Which translates to I will not slag off OSGold despite them backing
HYIPs and being a currency that calls itself `gold' but denominates
value in dollars, and other such antics.
9. I will not
Ken Griffith wrote:
As was pointed out before, licensing by the government has never proved to
be a screen against bad operators. Instead it is used by the established
bad operators to keep out the competition. There are plenty of incompetent
licensed attourneys, doctors, and plumbers out
Michael Moore wrote:
5. I will never disparage the Association or it's members or clients in
any
way.
Which translates to I will not slag off OSGold despite them backing
HYIPs and being a currency that calls itself `gold' but denominates
value in dollars, and other such antics.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, the overall topic is so completely ridiculous on so many
levels (example, reindeer cannot fly; man has in fact explored the
north pole; we know where all known gifts actually came from etc)
that it is important to realize that even the statement santa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be
wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving
energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if
you're right it helps in the big picture too!
The Pascal's
Frank Zuchristian wrote:
Euro Gold Line is presently setting up accounts in
several countries, of which the UK will probably be
the first. Hopefully these should start to appear as
early as next week.
When the country becomes available, there will be
adjustments made to the rate
For MMs (eg: eurogoldline) thinking of setting up to recieve UK funds, a
good approach could be to accept funds as cash sent via insured post.
The chances of cash not clearing are near zilch, especially with
hard-to-forge British money.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing is easier than looking through a keyboard sniffer file and
finding out what's going on, it's like reading someone's mind. You
can see their common typos, etc.
Experiment with any keyboard sniffer for ten minutes and you'll
immediately get the idea.
You
James M. Ray wrote:
At 04:13 PM -0700 06/10/2001, Craig Spencer wrote:
...
Gold is one of the greatest threats to the whole socialist world view.
Hmm. Maybe I was wrong to use the word socialist (since hardly any
socialists call themselves socialist anyway, these days). What I meant
Craig Spencer wrote:
In that spirit, I understand very well that they need money to support the
Party, but I don't think they need it until 2006. I'm going to send them a
post-dated check--dated 15 April 2006--along with a letter explaining why.
I encourage others to do the same.
On the balance page, when one picks a currency, the page refresh should
set a cookie - and that page should always from then on load with the
chosen currency, until it's changed again.
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Viking Coder wrote:
Do you really think that slavery produces wealth?
Yeah, but not for the slaves.
Slavery always destroys *potential* wealth, by nullifying the potential
creative contributions of the slaves. It also weakens the incentive
toward technical and scientific progress by
offshoresurfer wrote:
The US legal system throws more people in jail than in any other
country of the world, yet the US crime rates are some of the highest
too.
How many of them are for halfassed pseudocrimes such as tax evasion,
drug use, whoring, gambling or ignoring silly bureaucratic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The US legal system throws more people in jail than in any other
country of the world, yet the US crime rates are some of the highest
too.
Right -- they get thrown in jail for consensual crimes, ie, crimes
with no victims.
Who gives a rats ass if someone
C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
And I wonder how
much is in central bank vaults,
Roughly 33,000 tons... in theory. A lot of it has been leased,
melted and sold on the market.
I wonder how long 'til they run out, if they carry on playing silly
buggers with gold prices?
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C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
On 6 Jun 2001, at 0:42, Julian Morrison wrote:
wonder how long 'til they run out, if they carry on playing silly
buggers with gold prices?
Experts estimations are that the CB's are pretty much done with
the leasing at current gold prices
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe MMs in popular world cities (ie, probably American cities)
could do a RAGING business in selling e-gold at a modest price over
spot, for cash.
The good thing is, then peope wanting egold can get in
instantaneously. The only danger would be
Eric J. Gaither wrote:
MCF,
I have one comment:
It is rather COSTLY to be an Exchange Service Provider (or Market Maker,
Exchange Agent, Cambio, etc.) due to the fees assessed by the banks, the
gold currencies, and paying a staff's wages. Then there are taxes,
insurance, and
Eric J. Gaither wrote:
Julian,
Agreed, however, people already complain if their accounts are not funded
within HOURS of making a payment. Asking them to wait days
Making it upfront - calling it something like SlowCheapGold and saying
we guarantee delivery within ONE MONTH of
The Snipper wrote:
I have read one of Lance Spicers books. The Scams Frauds one. This is a
book that many in the e-gold world should read. It specifys who is behind
most of these scams that poliferate the e-gold economy.
A lot of people will sit up and take notice when they read this
Frank Zuchristian wrote:
I noted comments about not being able to access
e-gold's site yesterday.
On Wednesday for more than half a day, I was not able
to access the site, yet at the same time, Paul, Ice
Gold reported no problems.
Friday morning, and the problems is repeating, I
Bob wrote:
Screw the Euro.
The euro is in a permanent state of being operated by the reddest
organization north of Beijing. As such it will be taxandwasted and
politically fiddled to the point of uselessness.
Leastaways that's how it looks to me.
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The technology is out there, but so far there hasn't been much
implementation of it. I wonder why?
Julian's law of security: nobody but spooks will pay for security that
calls them an idiot.
(Where pays is either in terms of money or of fuss-and-bother.)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Julian's law of security: nobody but spooks will pay for security that
calls them an idiot.
Good software makes the security virtually invisible. People don't mind
carrying cards around in their wallets. They already do. If someone
produced software and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Julian, for the average consumer there is no doubt you are correct. For a
business or bank moving thousands or millions of dollars, the risk of loss
is definitely worth the hassle of getting the smart card.
Of course. (And this is actually consistent with my law -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Regarding the below, my interpretation is that the Canada Government,
guarantees that WHEN YOU PURCHASE A MAPLE FROM THEM, it is actually
one ounce of actual gold.
(That strikes me as entirely unremarkable, actually. For instance
Ford motor company totally
James M. Ray wrote:
http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/992155539.html
Read all about it at the URL above. Take care, this friend was expecting an
attachment and made the mistake of opening this thing instead!
There's this nice little antivirus program I recommend as a
Viking Coder wrote:
The credit card companies have one thing over e-gold that will make it
hard to break into the popular offline group; namely, credit. You can
use your credit card without having the money on hand; can't do that with
e-gold.
Do people actually *want* credit? I know I use
Bob wrote:
The Republican promise reneged
--
by Jacob Halbrooks
For years the Republicans have been promising less
government and lower taxes, but with control of Congress
and now the White House, they have not delivered.
Halbrooks explains why they are not
Bob wrote:
relaxing green blocks on power production,
The latest I read is the Artic is now off limits (again) to new
oil production. He reneged again.
Nah. At most he'll greenwash it. Al G. woulda slapped in nationwide
price fixing, and tried to force the electricity industry to employ
Much nastyness. But in any free enough system, bypassing all that cruft
carries a competitive advantage.
I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism.
I also predict laws will try to put the genie back in the bottle between
now and then - I hope e-gold, goldmoney etc have taken
Viking Coder wrote:
I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism.
Remember JPM's last stats contest?
http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03208.html
If e-gold continues to grow at the phenomenal rate it has had for the past
2 years, e-gold's
Samuel Mc Kee wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Viking
Coder
You don't need to prove identity
to create an e-gold account. However, Omnipay has decided that before they
will exchange large amounts of gold for fiat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately the US government seemed rather scared of this system that
allowed people to transfer their money easily into a real free market...
Specifically, I attended the Shorex Offshore Conference in Monaco in 1997
when Western Union just launched Quickpay
SnowDog wrote:
Also, in paragraph one above, why didn't e-gold/Omni just go with the
if the password fits, tough tittie model?
What went wrong?
Would you want to cash-out an account for over 1 million dollars without
even getting a copy of the guy's driver's license?
Why not, if
Gerardo S. Esguerra wrote:
My point was that you CAN earn by giving money and doing nothing.
It's called gambling. And the only way to win is to own the casino.
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C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
On 14 May 2001, at 13:49, Steve Renner wrote:
Canadian Maple Leafs, are just bullion
coins, and as such have no intrinsic value other than the spot price of
gold. They are reportable and confiscatable by the Canadian Government.
Where did you get
Gerardo S. Esguerra wrote:
Yes, gambling also is another way, and I've studied methods (work?) that
can make you win even if you don't own the casino
No, all those do is make you get dragged out back by muscular and
unintelligent men, who proceed to hit you until you (a) explain your
system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's a BB ?
Here's my .02 cents worth. I have been watching e-gold's
behaviour over the past few months and my feeling is
that the company is just another BB operation. I am
amazed at the callous disregard they have for their
customers and I am moving all my
Eve wrote:
Special Indeed!
I see OSGold not only offers storage of our money but also ways to increase
it.
* Guaranteed Investment Opportunities
* Business Start-Ups and Advice From professionals
* Discounts on Business Start-ups and hosting options
* OffShore Banking Options
* And SO
Michael Moore wrote:
Steve,
I am sorry to hear you have had problems with Heap of Gold.
Tril has made a useful list of gold related links but the list of market
makers are not accredited.
It strikes me that list of all market makers and list of accredited
market makers are both useful
Samuel Mc Kee wrote:
Just skimming the FAQ raises a few alarming red flags.
Most notably, here's another program that asks people to send _cash_ through
the mail to complete strangers. Oh yeah, that's something a responsible
adult would do. Right.
I'd do so in some circumstances - it's a
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