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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
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And what do you know about jyotish? have you actually learned a system
and applied it across 100 + charts? I suspect not. Is there any
possibility that your assessment is uninformed, unexperienced, shoot
from the hip, backseat driving, "unmitaged shit"?
My experience is that there are lots of syst
A good jyotish primer is a book by James Braha entitled, "Ancient
Jyotish for the Modern Astrologer". By the way, Systems Approach is
a specific type of method which ignores many of the jyotish
tradition. The author of this method is very adamant in stating that
his ideas are the best and doe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Oh Please, Bhairitu! Jyotish is the biggest pile of
> unmitigated shit, if there is such a thing! No one has
> predicted anything with jyotish except
> retrospectively. I love how you call it an "inexact
> science". Isn't th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hugheshugo wrote:
> > I need to be convinced that there is anything to it by way
> > of a good reading that would reveal things I'd never told and
> > make accurate predictions, even if only about trends. However
> > this
In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things. Then
knock something down because it does not meet their inflated
expectations. Spouse or guru on a pedestal perhaps. Or, for example,
"They said I have high blood pressure and yet they couldn't even
predict what would happen to me on
TurquoiseB wrote:
> I have not encountered even *one* technique
> in the realm of self discovery that works
> "as advertised" for everyone. Not one. And
> I don't ever expect to. Especially if there
> is a price tag attached...
>
This would assume that you've tried every
technique known to man,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not convinced anything has happened to me emotionally
> or career wise that I couldn't account for just by looking
> at myself and what's happened, influences from parents, school
> etc In short,
> it should be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > I have not encountered even *one* technique
> > in the realm of self discovery that works
> > "as advertised" for everyone. Not one. And
> > I don't ever expect to. Especially if ther
> And people may be acting "randomly" but collectively are certain
> trends more apparent when the temperature rises? Higher crime? More
> bar fights? More road rage? I see jyotish (if there is anything to it
> -- jury still is out) as something like that. "Its going to be hot for
> a while, and we
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You bring a lot of nice side-shows to the table. Not much to do with
the premise I suggested, but entertaining. Dancing bears and all.
> > And people may be acting "randomly" but collectively are certain
> > trend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> >The final woo woo aspect is the
> > claim that humans could know about such a connection using ancient
> > scriptures from a pre-scientific culture who believed in many forms of
> > divination.
>
> Huh? Are you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things.
Then
> knock something down because it does not meet their inflated
> expectations. Spouse or guru on a pedestal perhaps. Or, for example,
> "They said
> But what does that have to do with this discussion? O you
> are still stuck in the same misconception as HUGO that this is about
> casuation.
I am very much with you on this. It is so common to hear the argument
"astrology cannot work 'cos there is no known causal and physical
mechanism bet
>
> What you're missing here is that these scriptures come from direct
> empirical insight from the sages who wrote them.
This just adds another layer of assertion that "sages" can have
extrasensory experiences about how the world works doesn't it?
And some of these
> are (allegedly) insig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value it
> would have disappeared long ago.
It's value may be psychological for people who want life to make sense
in an orderly way. This criteria has not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly
> had no value it would have disappeared long ago.
Belief in God has no proven value, and it's
still around. People *like* to believe in
fantasies.
> As for the
Barry,
We've gone through this before. If you don't believe in a God, which
is to say the Answer to all answers, how do you know what you're
saying is correct? In fact, why should we listen to your
speculations? For all we know, your ideas could just be noise from a
distant galaxy.
Here's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:44 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
> > wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>> The final woo woo aspect is the
> >>> claim that humans could know about such
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Barry,
>
> We've gone through this before. If you don't believe
> in a God, which is to say the Answer to all answers,
> how do you know what you're saying is correct?
I don't. Did I suggest I did?
> In fact, why sh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
> wrote:
> >
> > In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things.
> Then
> > knock something down because it does not meet their inflated
> > expec
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value
it
> would have disappeared long ago. As for the naysayers, most are
talking
> out of their butt because they've never done their homework. ;-)
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a true story;
>
> I know a girl who has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome
> for twenty years, this is a serious auto-immune disorder and has
> stopped her ever having a job or doing what she wants, and she
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big
things.
> > Then
>
> Probably 30% were simply returned to India. Nevertheless Maharishi
in > his boundless generosity, knowing their shortcomings in detail no
> doubt long before they arrived,
Good ol' "no doubt" Nabby!
BTW I spent plenty of time with Triguna and he couldn't even cure my
heart burn on repeated vis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
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> > As for the naysayers, most are talking
> > out of their butt because they've never done their homework. ;-)
>
> Physician, heal thyself.
>
> Why is the idea that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
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> > It would convince me that something was going on, can you
> > post who he is and if he ever visits England.
>
>
> His name is Yogi Karve and he has a tour email list o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> wrote:
> > Here's a true story;
> >
> > I know a girl who has suffered from chronic fatigue syndrome
> > for twenty years, this is a serious auto-immune disord
--Chaos, as the term is used in dynamical systems, originated with
the work of climatologist Edward Lorenz - died a few days ago ("the
Butterfly effect"); and is an inherent property of some natural
systems. However, the term chaos has a different connotation than
used traditonally. Chaos simpl
Vaj,
Thanks for the link on Michel Gauquelin. I'll check it out.
As far as your fascinating encounter with Yogi Karve, thats sounds
like a blast. I would enjoy having my own pre-conceptions shaken.
I'm more inclined to believe in people with exceptional intuitive
powers than the system of astr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> > Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no
value it
> > would have disappeared long ago.
>
> Religion's been around for centuries too. So hav
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --Chaos, as the term is used in dynamical systems, originated with
> the work of climatologist Edward Lorenz - died a few days ago ("the
> Butterfly effect"); and is an inherent property of some natural
> system
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> > wrote:
> > > Here's a true story;
> > >
> > > I know a girl who has suffered from chron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> > Some, like me and seemingly you, just have
> > NO PROBLEM with the concept of a chaotic
> > universe. We don't know for sure that it
> > IS a chaotic universe, but if it is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Probably 30% were simply returned to India. Nevertheless Maharishi
> in > his boundless generosity, knowing their shortcomings in detail
no
> > doubt long before they arrived,
>
> Good ol' "no doubt" Nabby
Bhairitu wrote:
> His astrology research was very lame, based
> on newspaper horoscopes.
>
Most astrologers don't generally consider
astrology to be particularly paranormal, so
they probably wouldn't be interesting in having
James Randi test any of their theories.
Question:
Why is it that mo
---on 100% predictability: This is related to the "Laplacean Deity"
conversation between Napoleon and the mathematician Laplace. But
before getting into that, science as a whole discounts 100%
prediction as an impossibility, a literal impossibility - not simply
due to the lack of refinement
> >
> > BTW I spent plenty of time with Triguna and he couldn't even cure my
> > heart burn on repeated visits and taking all his foul "medicines."
>
> Your heart burn ? How could anyone in the universe possible cure that
> but yourself ?
My self and a little Prilosec OTC baby!
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I totally spooked someone by inversely telling them
> what time of day they were born from looking at them.
Good. You're a good beginner.
--- Bhairitu wrote:
> I actually started out doing astrology reading
> via intuition which I still do today.
> I learned the rules of astrology so I could
> explain in those terms what
> was happening.
This is exactly what I have found so far to be THE most useful and fun
application of astr
"the coming year will be about > expansion".
But doesn't this type of language kind of load the deck? I mean what
year of anyones life doesn't include such a generalized value?
So much of what I had seen from divination arts are in the language
used and the willingness of the person the descrip
I guess I'd say expansion was the theme of the year. The theme for the
year before that had been "clarity". I had sensed that one before the
year started also. And, yes, there was a lot of clarity for the year.
Of course there's a loading effect. I sense a green theme, and then I
see pebble
I wasn't dogging you out for living with an artistic sense of how
these words relate to your life as a theme. I can understand that. I
am not skeptical about the way you are relating to these words. They
are poetic words and contemplating them in the context of your life
could be useful in lots of
--- new.morning wrote:
> --- "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > I have not encountered even *one* technique
> > > in the realm of self discovery that works
> > > "as advertised" for everyone. Not one. And
> > > I don't ever expect to. Especially if there
> > > is a price t
Yeah, "muse" says it perfectly.
--- "curtisdeltablues" wrote:
>
> I wasn't dogging you out for living with an artistic sense of how
> these words relate to your life as a theme. I can understand that. I
> am not skeptical about the way you are relating to these words. They
> are poetic words and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > >The final woo woo aspect is the
> > > claim that humans could know about such a connection using ancient
> > > scriptures from a pre-sci
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
> wrote:
> >
> > In various ares of life, people seem to imagine such big things.
> Then
> > knock something down because it does not meet their inflated
> > expect
I believe that we are running a similar mental process as I would on
different data than I have seen. I respect your process. If you say
you have seen some cool correlations, that is good enough for me. You
seem every bit as clear on the limits of our knowledge as I try to be.
This was a fun day
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> > > Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no
> value it
> > > would have disap
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I believe that we are running a similar mental process as I would on
> different data than I have seen. I respect your process. If you say
> you have seen some cool correlations, that is good enough for me.
T
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- new.morning wrote:
> > --- "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
> > > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > > I have not encountered even *one* technique
> > > > in the realm of self discovery that works
> > > > "as advertised" for e
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bhairitu wrote:
> > His astrology research was very lame, based
> > on newspaper horoscopes.
> >
> Most astrologers don't generally consider
> astrology to be particularly paranormal, so
> they probably w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> > > wrote:
>
Thanks for clarifying, Turq. Your emphasis is on the "working" part of
the deal, not the "everyone" part. Got it.
Vanity Fair was not one of the 8 fashion magazines I looked at. Since I
value your perspective, I browsed around online. Please understand that
in order to make a real judgment I'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ispiritkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for clarifying, Turq. .. Since I
> value your perspective,
Its OK. The bad transit on your natal mercury and sun will pass.
Clarity will return. :)
-Right - I've found astrology to be very useful. I've been consulting
my charts for 30 years and know what to expect.
For example, today my transits are:
1. Jupiter opp Sun
2. Juper trine Asc.
3. Uranus Sq. Midheaven
4. Uranus trine Sun
5. Venus trine Jupiter
6. Mercury Trine Asc.
For those unkno
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's pretty hard to be a Buddha and not be omniscient...
I would say instead that it's fairly easy.
Omniscience is a fantasy that does not exist
in real life. And I suspect that the original
Buddha would be the first to agree
hugheshugo wrote:
> I need to be convinced that there is anything to it by way
> of a good reading that would reveal things I'd never told and
> make accurate predictions, even if only about trends. However
> this mechanism may function, until I can tell the signal from
> the noise I will doubt th
Oh Please, Bhairitu! Jyotish is the biggest pile of
unmitigated shit, if there is such a thing! No one has
predicted anything with jyotish except
retrospectively. I love how you call it an "inexact
science". Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? Don't
insult the intellectual methodology of science by
cl
Peter wrote:
> Oh Please, Bhairitu! Jyotish is the biggest pile of
> unmitigated shit, if there is such a thing! No one has
> predicted anything with jyotish except
> retrospectively. I love how you call it an "inexact
> science".
So are weather reports and probably psychology while we're at it.
John wrote:
> A good jyotish primer is a book by James Braha entitled, "Ancient
> Jyotish for the Modern Astrologer". By the way, Systems Approach is
> a specific type of method which ignores many of the jyotish
> tradition. The author of this method is very adamant in stating that
> his idea
On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:44 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
The final woo woo aspect is the
claim that humans could know about such a connection using ancient
scriptures from a pre-scientific culture who believed in
Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value it
would have disappeared long ago. As for the naysayers, most are talking
out of their butt because they've never done their homework. ;-)
Westerners always look to specifics out of astrology but Indians want
more general an
On Apr 28, 2008, at 12:44 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
What you're missing here is that these scriptures come from direct
empirical insight from the sages who wrote them.
This just adds another layer of assertion that "sages" can have
extrasensory experiences about how the world works doesn
On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value it
would have disappeared long ago.
Religion's been around for centuries too. So have war and
murder and all sorts of things that have very little
or no value to most people.
As
On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
It would convince me that something was going on, can you
post who he is and if he ever visits England.
His name is Yogi Karve and he has a tour email list on Yahoo! at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yogi_Karve
On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Some, like me and seemingly you, just have
NO PROBLEM with the concept of a chaotic
universe. We don't know for sure that it
IS a chaotic universe, but if it is, cool.
Others seem to need a SYSTEM of some kind to
keep the concept of chaos out of s
TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly
>> had no value it would have disappeared long ago.
>>
>
> Belief in God has no proven value, and it's
> still around. People *like* t
On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:11 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
It would convince me that something was going on, can you
post who he is and if he ever visits England.
His name is Yogi Kar
Vaj wrote:
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 12:44 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> What you're missing here is that these scriptures come from direct
>>> empirical insight from the sages who wrote them.
>>
>> This just adds another layer of assertion that "sages" can have
>> extrasensory experience
hugheshugo wrote:
> I'll be honest if I think it's a match for how things are for
> me right now. If you have time it would be fun.
>
> So, could you do mine and post it here? I'm interested, really.
You can post your birth details to FFL and those here who are
astrologers including myself will
Sal Sunshine wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value it
>> would have disappeared long ago.
>
> Religion's been around for centuries too. So have war and
> murder and all sorts of things that have very little
>
curtisdeltablues wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Astrology has been around for centuries so if it truly had no value it
>> would have disappeared long ago.
>>
>
> It's value may be psychological for people who want life to make sense
hugheshugo wrote:
> I've always been a fan of Randi, he put his money where his
> mouth is, $1,000,000 to be precise, and never had anyone
> convince him there is anything supernatural going on.
> Could've been a money spinner for the TMO I always thought.
>
Randi is an entertainer. It's not h
Vaj wrote:
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:11 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
>>>
It would convince me that something was going on, can you
post who he is and if he ever vi
On Apr 28, 2008, at 1:34 PM, John wrote:
Why is the idea that the universe is a random place
where stuff can just happen so threatening to some?
Sal
You're assuming that you know the answer, Sal.
Not at all.
Who told you that the universe is random?
Nobody. It's just personal observati
Yes, thanks, all. I've not had much to say, cause,
really, I know nothing about it other than the usual
Western prejudices against it, and then, that more
than interesting experience of corresponding with
Pundit Sharma, Guru Dev's Jyotishi. He, incidentally,
once told me that the longer he practi
TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> I said it because a number of people were displaying
> attachment to systems that they personally believe
> "work" for everyone. I do not share that belief.
>
>
>> But then one is left with the notion that Turq's statement really
>> didn't say much except something obviou
On Apr 29, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> You're doing the same thing as Judy reviewing "Apocalypto". She
> commented without ever seeing the movie and you've never done
> astrology. Your ignorance is showing as there are MANY schools and
> systems of jyotish, not just one. You will often
On Apr 30, 2008, at 2:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's pretty hard to be a Buddha and not be omniscient...
I would say instead that it's fairly easy.
Omniscience is a fantasy that does not exist
in real life. And I suspect th
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