I had a lot of problem with this sort of thing when I was using Finale
regularly. It had to do with the software setting the mod wheel more or
less randomly, and never being reset to the zero position. I guess that
is still a problem. I eventually found myself having to add hidden
notes (or
, without any special effort on the user's part.
On 8/15/2019 2:57 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I'm with you, David. I am certain this worked in the past. I just
tried it with 25.5 and it does not work -- my results are as John
Robert described.
I have only 25.5 installed on my computer
I'm with you, David. I am certain this worked in the past. I just
tried it with 25.5 and it does not work -- my results are as John Robert
described.
I have only 25.5 installed on my computer and haven't really used it for
almost a year. So I can't say what version last worked in this
I use Transcribe! regularly. I don't rely much on the chord recognition
because it isn't all that accurate. If I am having trouble hearing a
particular harmony, I might look at what Transcribe has detected.
Sometimes it is helpful, but not nearly enough to generate MIDI notes
accurately.
Thanks for that brief synopsis. The PDF import feature is very
interesting. I know that there are many people in each of the camps
(Finale, Sibelius, Dorico et al) who really just want to see the best
notation. And of course, nobody is against having the best notation
output possible. But
If Finale were doing any significant developments to their product I'm
sure we would be happy to talk about that. It is the fact that Finale
is basically frozen in time that causes people to think about what other
options are available and practical.
In the case of this thread, the main
the elements manually to relieve the stacking,
but the staffs remain spaced apart. They don't adjust themselves after
I relieve the stacking. So I may have to adjust some of the staff
spacing manually.
Hi Craig.
I am working in some projects with Dorico and in cases like that I move the
texts
Just to add a tidbit or two, there is currently no way in Dorico to have
2 parts share a staff in the score and still have them go to separate
parts. As Steve says, it is actually pretty easy to write two separate
parts, then add a third player. Select all the music from the two
separate
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On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 10:28 PM Craig Parmerlee
OK, here are the results
Score: https://app.box.com/s/n7pi05swx2hve4wk71znvg409geju45
to create the parts in Dorico.
The layouts aren't perfect. I'd certainly edit them a little. But a
key point is that in almost every case, the parts are usable without any
editing if you are in a big rush to get something out for rehearsal.
On 1/28/2019 4:21 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote:
Hi Craig
Everything I have has been edited at least a little. Maybe a good
demonstration would be for somebody to send me a MusicXML file. I'll
import it into Dorico and post the score and parts with no editing.
On 1/28/2019 10:13 AM, Thomas Schaller wrote:
Craig, would you consider posting PDFs
commitment, and many
Finale users will find they are happier staying with what they know and
what is working for them. Nothing at all wrong with that.
On 1/26/2019 6:56 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
Craig,
Thank you for sharing these thoughts. You have made much more
progress with Dorico than I hav
Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples. Let me
stipulate that the Finale plug-ins might provide some unusual visual
results that aren't directly matched by Dorico, so I am not claiming
equivalence on any of these.
1. Copy arbitrary material regardless of barlines,
It is very difficult to compare Dorico with the other products because
Dorico operates on a different plane. Whether that different plane is
good for a person might depend on many factors. I am not here to claim
it is better for everybody, but I definitely am far more productive with
Dorico
I would also note Sibelius 2019 was announced this week. It seems to be
roughly the same magnitude of the Finale 26 release. I am sure the
improvements are welcome, but really, this is a minuscule amount of
improvement for a paid release. Dorico is adding capability 10-to-100
times faster
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And this is exactly why there is so little being done with Finale. In
the good old days, it was very common for universities to buy lots of
Finale licenses. Indeed, there was usually an annual upgrade timed to
fit the procurement cycles of academic institutions. I don't have any
data, but I
This article presents more detail than I have seen elsewhere.
https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/finale-26-review/
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It officially launched today at an upgrade price of $150.
It seems that the upgrade mainly consists of a few improvements to
collision avoidance. Perhaps there is much more than immediately meets
the eye, but this seems like a rather thin upgrade for $150.
I may upgrade, but I have been
I am surprised there has not been any discussion of Finale's "preview"
of Version 26:
https://www.finalemusic.com/blog/coming-soon-finale-version-26/
There are no details in the announcement, but some broad
characterizations: "Generally speaking, improvements will focus on
streamlining your
On 2018-07-14 13:13, Howey, Henry wrote:
Dorico 2 is betaware. If you follow it on Facebook you’ll see many
concerns expressed.
Yes, I think that is accurate. Dorico 2 has many bugs. Most have
work-arounds. Of the bugs I have encountered, supposedly all are fixed
internally and will be
Personally I would appreciate if my various plug-in vendors all supplied
VST3 implementations. It makes things cleaner. That isn't just a
Dorico issue. VST2 will soon have its 20th birthday. VST3 has been out
there almost a decade. It is high time that vendors move forward.
By the same
Regarding the questions about Dorico support and how typical this is of
Steinberg in general, I'd say Dorico is the anomaly here. Steinberg has
a reputation for being a bit arrogant. As a relatively recent Cubase
user, I'll say that I didn't find Steinberg warm and fuzzy, but there
are enough
18. It isn't fair to either Finale or Dorico to try
to do a point-by-point comparison. Dorico is an altogether different
experience.
On 7/3/2018 1:53 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
Thanks, Craig, for this great review.
Regarding the playback of D.S., D.C., Fine, Coda, etc. -- when I first
sta
On 6/2/2018 12:45 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
On 5/31/2018 3:40 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
While I'm disappointed that the major thrust of Dorico version 2
seems to be scoring to video, I realize that's a very large and
growing segment of the notation/composition software market so it
should be a
On 5/31/2018 3:40 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
While I'm disappointed that the major thrust of Dorico version 2 seems
to be scoring to video, I realize that's a very large and growing
segment of the notation/composition software market so it should be a
means to even better cementing Dorico's
It seems that must of the function that Finale users have with Staff
Styles is lacking in Dorico at the moment. I don't think there is any
support for slash notation or rhythmic notation, for example. That
rules it out for me for the time being.
I cannot find any reference to one-bar and
Steve, I am a little confused. As I understand it, all the licenses
have the same functionality. If you qualified for the educational
license, doesn't that give you full use of Dorico? I don't understand
why you would duplicate the work in Finale.
This is relevant to me because most of my
h the minimum of
>> > > effort for us so that most of our effort can be put into the
>> creative side of things.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 4/21/2018 8:33 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > A
Anybody who can do ANYTHING with percussion parts with ANY of these
products has my boundless admiration. I find all the products
unbelievably tedious when it comes to percussion parts. There must be a
better way.
Regarding Dorico being ready for professional use, I agree with David
that it
I take your point that they "could" do some of the abstraction that is
inherent in the newer programs. I am not seeing anything that suggests
to me they are at all interested in matching up to Dorico. Indeed, the
only recent statements I could find were very much oriented to
SmartMusic and
I didn't really mean that as an exact date or even a comment
specifically about Finale. What I should have said is "the 1980s way of
doing things."
All of the notation products of that generation (Encore, Overture,
Finale, etc) can reasonably be called "note paint programs". That is to
say,
I have spent just 90 minutes hands on, and it is already obvious to me
that I will save loads of time on layout edits and other little
niceties like cautionary accidentals. Things like cautionary
accidentals, beaming, notating ties correction, multi-measure rests
and many other things
David, I think you have very accurately captured the situation with the
text I excerpted below. And if we go back to the commentary offered by
the new CEO upon acquisition, many of us thought his comments were truly
bizarre, as they seemed to describe music notation as a fitness coach
would
ee download on my
> website if you think it might be useful. I always found it to be more what
> I wanted out of tempo changes than the Tempo Tool.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Craig Parmerlee <cr...@parmerlee.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tempo tool. BIAB harmo
Tempo tool. BIAB harmonization.
On 4/19/2018 9:10 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Which functionality was lost v25? I've been on it so long I forgot.
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The current owners took over the company in 2014. They delivered
version 25, which provided 64-bit support and a few other odds and ends
-- while dropping some rather significant functionality. I did find
Version 25 to be a little more stable, so I have lived with the feature
deprecation.
I agree with the idea of simplification, but jazz pianists tend to prefer
certain spellings even if they may appear more complex. E.g. #11 is almost
always used instead of #4 these days. That is just how pianists think of that
extension.
Likewise C13 is very meaningful and almost
I have tried to post this information twice with links to the libraries
on box.com. But these messages seem to get stuck in moderation.
On 3/25/2017 11:24 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> Sorry I have been slow in responding. I'll try to get this uploaded this
> weekend. As far as
There is a plug-in for that. And you can do it manually. As I recall,
in speedy edit, you hit * to show the accidental that would be hidden by
default. And it is a good practice to parenthesize any cautionary
accidentals. You can do that by hitting p in speedy edit.
On 3/20/2017 4:04 PM,
17 um 14:51 schrieb Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> That would be great would you mind sending it to me
>>> Thanks
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 14 Mar 2017, at 13:44, C
In my most recent experience with F25, I couldn't transpose chord
symbols at all, if you mean using Utility-Transpose.
Finale will transpose chords if you copy to a transposing instrument.
And Finale will transpose chords if you change the key signature, but
Utility-Transpose changed notes,
I don't have a link. I use a library that I build based on a very
comprehensive library somebody else made years ago. I wish I could give
credit because it was obviously an enormous amount of work. They
meticulously built just about every chord suffix you could ever need
into a nice-looking
On 3/11/2017 5:26 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
> Instead of asking this list, you really should just try things.
I don't really think that is adequate advice. Finale is really quite
obtuse in several areas, specifically chord symbols and percussion.
It seems to me the key to having success with
I mostly agree with what Chuck wrote. There have been many times I have cussed
the #&%$(# who thought it was clever to use a font where you can barely tell
the difference between a quarter rest, eighth rest and fall articulation.
Some of the "handwritten" fonts aren't too terrible
Your computer must be running in 64-bit mode or else Finale V25 cannot
launch.
On 1/2/2017 2:01 PM, Douglas Brown wrote:
> Yes, I remember that v25 is 64-bit, but remind me why it matters. I've been
> getting ready for DMA comps and wrecking the holidays for a major project --
> my mind is
I have not noticed the HP problems with V25. I haven't had to tweak the
MIDI for a long time, but I haven't done any specific testing for those
bugs.
I assume you are aware that V25 is 64-bit only.
On 1/2/2017 12:13 PM, Douglas Brown wrote:
> I've been thinking about upgrading my FinWin2012
Separate staves aren't really necessary. Certainly you could put the
section with a different EQ to layer 2 and assign layer 2 to a different
instrument on a different VST bank. And on that bank you can add a VST EQ
effect as desired.
Or simply select a different piano sound that is
I use V25 routinely with Win10 and things run smoothly. I wish they had not
removed the BIAB plug in. That is the only reason I go back. And the file
formats are compatible so there is no hassle with switching between 2014.5 and
25.
-- Original message--From: John
On 10/22/2016 6:03 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I am also just as certain that Steinberg's front office finally said to
> the development team (probably over some protests from them but I can't
> state that as fact) that they needed to have a product on the market by
> a specific date to try to
isn’t much better.
Maybe I’ll go back to paper and ink. [sigh]
CS
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 5:57 PM, David H. Bailey
> <dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/25/2016 5:41 PM, Craig Sylvern wrote:
>> First, please forgive me if this topic has had an e
it and import into
Finale. Most of the time that yields pretty workable results. With the
introduction of Finale v25 they’ve removed scanning. What options do I have
now beside entering in everything with Simple or Speedy entry?
Thanks for the advice.
Craig
It has been several years, so I don't really remember. I do not recall
any difficulties with activation. I assume you are talking about
registering the program as a stand-alone product.
On 9/2/2016 1:28 PM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote:
> Thanks for your reply, Craig. Did you have
wrote:
> Greetings, Craig, and anyone else using the full version SmartScore X2 Pro on
> a Mac.
>
> After reading that Craig was using SmartScore Pro I immediately purchased the
> upgrade from the SmartScore Lite 8.1.1 that is part of our Finale 2014 for
> Mac because scanning has
It would be great if you could download the free trial and tell us if
any of those bugs have been fixed.
On 8/17/2016 9:35 PM, Allen Cohen wrote:
>
> I would so much like to be optimistic about the new version--especially that
> the bugs from 2014 will be fixed! But all of this discussion
Yes, I believe I could keep 2014.5 installed and do the auto-harmonizing
there. But that begs the question what would be my motivation to go to
V25 if I have to bounce between apps.
In your case, this 64-bit version *MAY* resolve the speed problems you
have been having on large scores. If
I just stumbled across this article that was put out about 3 weeks ago.
it seems to say these items are removed from the new version:
* Band-in-a-box auto harmonizing
* Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures)
* Tempo tool
* Music scanning
This sounds like a net DOWN-grade to me.
I
Well, if it is any consolation, the content of V25 is not going to draw
a lot of people to crossgrade.
It isn't as if a person wavering about the switch would say "Wow, a
didgeridoo? I guess I had better make the switch."
On 8/16/2016 6:55 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
> What really hurts
The company forum seems to be down. When one goes to
http://forum.makemusic.com
It comes back with "Your IP Address is banned from accessing this forum."
I got the same result when using a proxy from the Netherlands, so
something is wrong.
Personally, I'll probably upgrade, hoping that there
Agh !!!
Well, I guess I can give up my dream of composing the perfect symphony for 273
bagpipes with 15,000 measures, and 250 meter changes.
And I had the first 1500 measures done already. It was an Ab.
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed
Raymond,
Just curious if you were able to do the XML export/import. On really large
scores, the 32,000 Frame ID limit will be a barrier, even if the XML thing can
clean it up.
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You would think they might be able to manage to store that frame ID as a 32-bit
integer, allowing 2 billion frames.
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed
test
From: "Robert Patterson"
Date: 7/24/16 9:02 am
To: "finale"
I presume that if you save as XML and then re-import the XML into a new file,
that will assign new IDs. But it may have unacceptable consequences.
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2014.5 speed
test
From: "Robert Patterson"
Date:
I suppose it is still subject to change, and there could always be
special offers, but they have indicated the crossgrade price will be
$299 Euros. See https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/dorico.html
It appears the first release will not have chord support and will not
have much or anything
u.edu>
>
>
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 09:59:16, Craig Sylvern <cr...@sylvern.net> wrote:
>> ... since upgrading to 2014.5 it?s been one frustrating issue after another.
>>
> I haven't upgraded yet. Are you on Mac or Windows?
>
> TIA
>
> Ken Moore
>
but it’s been a frustrating few weeks. My preference is
still Finale over Sibelius but I’m running out of hair to pull out.
Craig
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>
> On 2/15/16 10:16 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>> On 2/15/2016 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Quick wrote:
>>> Things could be
>>> dicey if you had both major and minor 3rds (as in an Eb/C pentad).
>> Isn't that simply C7
James Argue wrote:
> Craig,
>
> When the two chords are stacked vertically, with a horizontal line separating
> them, they are played as a polychord, e.g.
>
> F#
> —
> C
>
> Chord inversions and chords with an alternate bass are both displayed with a
> diagonal sla
On 2/15/2016 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Quick wrote:
> Things could be
> dicey if you had both major and minor 3rds (as in an Eb/C pentad).
Isn't that simply C7#9?
Conventionally the major (E) is voiced a major 7th below the minor (Eb).
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On 2/13/2016 2:15 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne wrote:
> have a look here.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZymO9ZdtwQ
Just a point of curiosity, when your music shows
D
---
C
How do you keep the musician from interpreting that as a D chord with a
C bass?
Staff tool. Apply Staff Style, "Blank Notation with Rests"
On 2/2/2016 3:03 AM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> How do you set the measures to a Z style?
> On Feb 2, 2016 1:11 AM, "Craig Parmerlee" <cr...@parmerlee.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> As an alternative
On 2/1/2016 5:45 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I believe you only get the multimeasure rest if the 12 bars are actually
> empty (i.e. displaying the Finale default whole rest).
>
> If you manually entered the whole rests yourself then you won't get the
> multimeasure rest until you highlight those
Some people may be interested that Overture has a new release:
http://sonicscores.com/overture/
I haven't seen a side-by-side feature comparison. I assume there are
plenty of major notation differences that would cause most Finale users
to not look seriously at a switch.
I would note,
On 11/23/2015 9:56 AM, Michael Mathew wrote:
> I have successfully run both versions on my desktop iMac with Yosimite
> and on my MacBook Pro El Capitain, with nothing apparent in any
> configuration, yet.
I have done likewise on Windows 8.1 with now problem switching between
versions.
On 11/22/2015 3:53 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Because you mistyped 2015.5 :)
Must be a Freudian slip. Let us hope so anyway.
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On 11/22/2015 9:06 AM, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya wrote:
> Wonder why they have released a version that is so buggy. I came back to
> 2014d because 2014.5 makes a lot of problems...
>
I didn't keep a good list of all the things that were really messed up
in 2014, so I can't say that one release is
On 11/22/2015 9:09 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
>
> I’ve beta tested notation products before and understand that things need
> prioritising and that pro users are often not the significant user base but..
Sure, but I don't see any excuse for:
- Not fixing the HP problem with overlapping note-on
I don't understand that comment. Both 2014 and 2014.5 are available.
Can you please elaborate?
On 11/22/2015 2:16 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> My gut feel is that you are using a product that isn't available.
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There seem to be some bugs in this area and they aren't fixed with
2014.5. I have frequent problems with instruments going way too quiet,
and I have been completely unsuccessful at finding a cause.
If by the "GPO Mixer" you mean Aria, you can't use the volume sliders
there. That corresponds
On 11/21/2015 11:29 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Ok, now I see that Craig said base volume score manager, not Aria. I
> recall seeing volume settings in score manager in an earlier life but I
> don't see it now. Thanks for all suggestions
There is a button on the score manager that a
Yes, you can set that volume in the Score Manager, not in the Aria
Mixer. DO not use the Aria Mixer volume sliders. They are controlled
dynamically by Finale to adjust playback nuances.
Go into score manager and assign instruments at the layer level, not at
the staff level. In the Score
Regarding my cases of instruments getting too quiet, i have always
suspected spurious MIDI data. But I recently went to the trouble of
building my whole score from scratch, then doing a copy in of just the
notes, not any of the MIDI data. And the problem soon returned (after
just a few
FWIW, I have been keeping a list of the bizarre behaviors I have seen
with 2014.5. I have about 10 new bugs that never happened to me before
now and several of the most annoying prior problems that have not been
addressed.
One of the things that drove me crazy was the bugs in the Cautionary
My comments below
On 11/18/2015 9:40 AM, Jan Angermüller wrote:
>
> Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
> Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you
> open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a
> portamento. At
Yes, it is a mixed bag. So far, the biggest problem I have seen is that
it knocks out VST playback after doing an export to WAV. I have to
restart Finale to get sound going again.
They seemed to have done a few things affecting HP. For example I am
working on an arrangement where the flutes
A lot longer than 30 seconds for me. If you do "check for updates" from
within Finale, then you get useful instructions, but none of that is in
the Readme or in the announcement email.
You won't find this in the downloads section like other patches. The
procedure is to log onto you account
The posting I cited says it is shipping this month. If that is not correct,
you might want to update that.
Thanks,
Craig
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 by end
of November?
From: "Mark Adler" <mad...@makemusic.com>
Date: 11/13/15 10:
This article
http://www.finalemusic.com/blog/finale-and-os-x-el-capitan-update/
says "it was our hope that Apple would resolve this incompatibility, but
if they didn’t we’d provide a solution in Finale 2014.5, a
free-of-charge update for owners of Finale 2014 scheduled for release by
the end
It may not have been created at all -- that's the issue. I had a
similar bug. It appeared to do something, gave no error message, but
created no file (if my memory is correct). I cannot remember exactly
how this was resolved, but we eventually found a combination of
parameters for the audio
Brother MFC-j6710DN does 11x17 duplex.
On 9/5/2015 10:22 PM, Ryan Beard wrote:
> Dennis, does your Epson have a duplexer that prints the large sizes?
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My conclusion is identical to Robert's and David's.
Staffpad is quite an impressive product, and I expect handwritten
notation entry to be a very viable approach in the future. But it is
just too tedious now. Not ready for prime time, but worth $50 to see
where the state of the art is today.
the shift key before hitting the space bar to the next
syllable. Shift-space sends the cursor back one syllable, instead of the
forward that I was aiming for. It does screw things up when you're not
expecting it.
John
On 8/7/15 5:55 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
On 8/7/2015 12:19 AM, Craig
Very interesting. I had something similar happen a couple of times. I
always print my Finale material to PDF using PDFCreator. I never
print directly from Finale. There were a couple of times where one part
out of 20 was super small in the PDF. If I would run it a second time,
it always
I went through this evaluation myself and ended up in a completely
different place than I expected. I found a video out there where a guy
benchmarked the Surface 3 against the Surface 3 Pro running a bunch of
DAW configurations. Both machines ran these power-hungry DAWs
surprisingly well.
Robert,
I think you will be very happy, especially considering the deal you got.
I set mine up as David did, with the MicroSD card being the D: drive for
user files, and the in-board SSD being for the OS and apps. I have used
about 33GB of the on-board SSD, so if you aren't running loads of
Thanks, Darcy.
I hadn't even thought of that because I had no interest in pads until
Staffpad came out. previously I had an ASUS notebook with a
touchscreen, which is halfway like a pad. The Surface with keyboard
cover is really nice.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that the 3 has
Dumb question here: isn't the flat 4th a D Natural which is already in the
chord?
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Bb7b4
From: j...@thomastudios.com j...@thomastudios.com
Date: Jun 18, 2015 1:04 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
CC:
You’ll need to go into the chord suffix editor,
I got this product yesterday. My opinion so far is:
a) It is marvelous and represents a very important direction for the future
b) it is completely useless in its current form.
I am finding it extraordinarily tedious to do even the most simple
things such as adding a dot to a quarter note. I
On 5/9/2015 9:26 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
Please excuse the cross posting and apologies to those who will receive
this update to my previous StaffPad review multiple times.
I know that for users of Sibelius and Finale, regular updates of the
software are very important and in recent years
PDF contents can be compressed. That can cause variations. Also there
are many options for how to handle graphics. There have always been
major variations in PDF size for what seem to be equivalent renderings.
On 5/10/2015 5:49 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
I wonder why that is -- the same
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