There are other known spacing issues with the Jazz font as well. For
example the symbols 67 and 99 ("common/cut time with bracket") have the
same advance width as the symbols without brackets (68/100) although
they are twice as wide. So when using the 67/99 symbols you might run
into note
In old versions of Finale, the rests show dots correctly. This broke
approximately at the same time that linked parts were introduced. I complained
immediately, and was told to move them all with the Special Tool.
They are blowing smoke if they claim that this is working as designed. It was
Here is the latest response from MakeMusic regarding my complaint about the
eighth rest dot spacing in JazzFont:
"At the risk of going into semantics, bug fixes are defined as the software not
operating as designed. The augmentation dots appear next to notes and rests at
a distance that is
: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:37:53 -0500
Subject: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between
leger
lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no
setting
seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines
: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:37:53 -0500
Subject: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between
leger
lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no
setting
seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines
Subject: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between leger
lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no setting
seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines in the avoid
collisions option
Unfortunately, no. I've asked for this option for years. Chime in if you want
to see the addition.
Steve
On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
wrote:
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between leger
lines? The gap that it is
you could try setting the line width shorter by 2 EVPU until the final spacing
and layout has been done, then set it back and adjust the (hopefully very) few
beat charts that didn't quite work as you wanted.
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Subject: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between leger
lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no setting
seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines in the avoid
: [Finale] Spacing option for leger lines?
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between leger
lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no setting
seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines in the avoid
collisions option, but then they...well
Is there any way to control how much space Finale allots between leger
lines? The gap that it is currently leaving is too wide, and no setting
seems to change it. Obviously I could turn off leger lines in the avoid
collisions option, but then they...well...collide.
p.s. if plugins have access to leger line length. i'll have to research
that.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Robert Patterson
rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:
jef you're a genius. that's a feature i'm adding to my note spacing plugin!
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:37:53 -0500
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Is there any way to control how
Fin 2012c, Mac Mavericks
The spacing is wonky in linked parts with specified voicing defined to
display layer 2 when more than one layer is present. Does anyone else have
this same problem? Any solution?
The note spacing is fine when notes from Layer 1 are displaying.
Ryan
Finale 2012a
MacOS 10.5.8
Can anyone else recreate this?
In 3/2, 6/4, or 12/8 time, put in a dotted whole note. In another layer,
force a whole rest (speedy entry 7).
Space the measure.
I get extra space added to the front of the measure. If I remove the forced
whole rest, it is spaced normally.
WinFin 2011.r2
It behaves exactly as you describe.
Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:
Finale 2012a
MacOS 10.5.8
i find it best to set them perfectly in the parts and accept how they
look in the score. since the grace notes are fixed (not
proportional) distance from the note they belong to, in general they
spacing in relation to the main note should be acceptably close in
MOST cases.
you can also
Hi Jef,
If you are using *voiced* linked parts (multiple parts/staff), grace note
spacing cannot be adjusted in the parts. That is the longstanding bug we are
complaining about.
Cheers,
- DJA
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On 28 Jul 2011, at 5:16 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:
yep, we're talking about the same thing: you can in fact adjust it in
the PT, but the grace notes remain linked (i.e. will also move in the
SC), i'm just saying sometimes the positioning discrepancy is not so
critical. using the opt-click on the measure trick i mentioned will
avoid having
Hi Jef,
Adjust it how? Special tools and Speedy are disabled in *voiced* linked parts.
Try it and see.
Cheers,
- DJA
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On 28 Jul 2011, at 9:46 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote:
you can in fact adjust it in
the PT
just tried voices (which i almost never use) and it works. i
adjusted the grace notes (special tools) in two separate voices (not
layers) independently from within the PT (F2010)
http://newmusicnotation.com/TEMPFILES/grace_voices.pdf
Adjust it how? Special tools and Speedy are disabled in
Jef,
You are still not understanding. I think it's likely that you've never tried
the specific thing we are talking about. I'm assuming it must not come up in
your work.
We aren't talking about voices. Or layers.
We are talking about *voiced* linked parts -- i.e., 1 staff, two parts. For
ah! yes, totally right, have never tried it because i would never use
this in the stuff i score.
You are still not understanding. I think it's likely that you've
never tried the specific thing we are talking about. I'm assuming it
must not come up in your work.
but here i must correct you,
Many thanks to those who helped with my grace note spacing problem. It feels
like the old days, extracting parts then massaging them! Reminds me how much
(this feature excepted) linked parts have made my Finale life easier.
FWIW I did submit a case. And in doing so I saw the page where they
Hi Neal,
Grace notes do not space correctly with linked voiced parts (i.e. multiple
parts per staff). This is a problem going back to the very beginning of linked
parts.
Please file a bug report with Finale.
Meanwhile, you will need to either (A) extract out the staff into individual
parts,
it.
Christopher
- Original Message -
From: Neal Gittleman nealg...@mac.com
Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:30 pm
Subject: [Finale] Spacing Problem in Linked Parts
To: finale@shsu.edu
Greetings...
FinMac 2k11 still w/Snow Leopard.
I'm having a spacing issue that I've never come
i've been trying to reproduce the behaviour with a new window placed
on a second monitor so i can see it when it happens. thought maybe
it had to do with updating the layout and checking all parts or
selecting all and applying music spacing and then switching to
another part and doing the
Just a hypothesis: could this be related to that multi-measure rest thing in
document options?
That seems to cause unwanted respacing in other circumstances and might
possibly be in play here.
Jef, care to test the hypothesis by unchecking that box and going about your
work on your parts?
the weird thing is that this doesn't affect all measures and i'm not
sure it is related to music spacing, because the music spacing is in
fact removed in the problematic SC measures; also their measure
widths exactly match the widths of the same measure in one of the PTs
that has no music in
jari, you mean update automatically? i have that unchecked by default.
Just a hypothesis: could this be related to that multi-measure rest
thing in document options? That seems to cause unwanted respacing in
other circumstances and might possibly be in play here. Jef, care to
test the
ok this is really starting to be a pisser. has anyone else come
across this? i do all the layout, make everything all pretty in the
SC, and then generate the PTs and at some point, presumably while
applying music spacing to one of them, the spacing in the SC goes
wacko. once the PTs are
Yeah, I never know what is going on there. Often my parts need to be respaced
individually (I haven't noticed it with the score, though) and I can't figure
out why. I just do it now, and don't ask why. Probably something about the
program I don't know.
Christopher
On Sat Jan 15, at
On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Probably something about the program I don't know.
Not much of that, in my experience :)
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On 11 Dec 2010 at 20:32, dc wrote:
This is Finale's default spacing, which doesn't look good, because the
3 notes in the right hand are all on the first beat:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15830163/default.jpg
How could it be improved? What about placing the C and E before the
dotted note?
Someone posted a tip here recently about keeping spacing from updating
when you print, and messing up your manual spacing. I meant to print it
but apparently spaced out.
COuld someone re-post, or give me a pointer to it?
Thanks!
cd
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Doc Options. Multi measure rest. Uncheck box that says update automatically
or some such.
Is that the one you're looking for?
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:10 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote:
Someone posted a tip here recently about keeping spacing from updating when
you print, and messing up
On 7/8/2010 8:24 PM, Ryan wrote:
Doc Options. Multi measure rest. Uncheck box that says update automatically
or some such.
Is that the one you're looking for?
Yes! Thanks.
cd
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That looks like standard Finale behavior to me. I would expect to
have to add space in a situation like that.
Finale's awareness of collisions between layers is incomplete.
mdl
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Mark D Lew wrote:
That looks like standard Finale behavior to me. I would expect to have
to add space in a situation like that.
Finale's awareness of collisions between layers is incomplete.
And inexplicable after all these years, all these versions
and all these development dollars.
from having to do this by hand. I don't know why Finale can't avoid
collisions between augmentation dots and accidentals.
Christopher
On Wed May 19, at WednesdayMay 19 3:50 AM, dc wrote:
This is the default Finale spacing with two layers (note that the
left hand e in the second measure
dhbailey écrit:
And inexplicable after all these years, all these versions and all these
development dollars.
Quite amazing, actually, that this has never been taken care of. How does
Sibelius behave?
I entered the same snippet into Sibelius (I've been learning Sibelius so am
very
Christopher Smith wrote:
Normally I agree with Mark D. Lew out of the box on all things
relating to spacing (his posts a couple of years back on lyric
spacing were a Master's seminar), but in this case I would just shift
that left hand first beat (both notes) a little to the left so that
, 2010 2:51 AM
To: finale-shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] spacing with layers again
This is the default Finale spacing with two layers (note that the left hand
e in the second measure is dotted under the natural, or should be!). Both
layers have the affects music spacing box ticked? Is there any way
That would be The Art of Music Engraving Processing or I think
the complete title might be Teach Yourself the Art of Music
Engraving Processing by Ted Ross, the 3rd edition I have is
copyright 1987. It is widely considered to be one of the leading
references for points of standard
Christopher Smith wrote:
That would be The Art of Music Engraving Processing or I think the
complete title might be Teach Yourself the Art of Music Engraving
Processing by Ted Ross, the 3rd edition I have is copyright 1987. It is
widely considered to be one of the leading references for
Christopher,
You have me curious -- what is the Ted Ross you refer to?
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Ted Ross (p 170 in
dc wrote:
This is Finale's default note spacing:
www.collins.lautre.net/files/default.jpg
How could I improve the placement of the g-b third? Would it be
acceptable to put it before the c, as here?
Thanks,
Dennis
Select it (mass mover tool or whatever it is called now) and use
Yeah, that's pretty bad!
Ted Ross (p 170 in the 3rd edition) suggests exactly what you ask.
I'm not sure what this does to the vertical alignment in a piano
part, though.
Aligning the stems (which you would do if there was no dot) and
shifting the dot to the right he specifically says is
On May 8, 2010, at 7:59 AM, dc wrote:
This is Finale's default note spacing:
www.collins.lautre.net/files/default.jpg
How could I improve the placement of the g-b third? Would it be
acceptable to put it before the c, as here?
I would put the GB to the left of the C, definitely. I'd make
What about space systems evenly (pagelayout)
Works fine for me. Easy to use
Christer W
Minister of Music
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With nothing quoted, I take it you are responding to the question
about how to get the staves in a system more closely spaces for only
one system. Unfortunately, the Space Systems Evenly command does not
change positioning of the staves inside the system, only the systems
themselves.
On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Respace Staves goes back at least to v3.0 (early 90s).
It was in the first version of Finale I ever used, 2.01, back in
1991. My guess is that it's a near-original feature, and I'm glad to
hear it's been enhanced.
What I'd like,
At 11:13 AM -0400 4/14/10, Rich Caldwell wrote:
The feature isn't obvious though. You must optimize the systems (not
letting it remove staves), then when you're in the staff tool, drag
enclose the bottom handle on the staves and do the Respace Staves
function. Unfortunately, Finale won't do
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Rich Caldwell caldw...@shypuppy.net wrote:
Sounds like a plugin could accomplish this task very easily…
The task is complicated (for a plugin) by staff and system scaling
options. However, there is a plugin that gets close in TGTools. It
allows you to contract
Alternatively, you can select Staff Usage from the menu and enter
the vertical positions directly. If you select the top handle, the
dialog box will say global; if you select the bottom it will name
which system you're adjusting.
mdl
I've been using Finale for more than a decade, and have
When was the Respace Staves option introduced? I seem to recall having to
enter the staff positions in Staff Usage a while ago, or dragging every staff
individually, but it's tedious just thinking about that now.
Rich
On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Lee Actor wrote:
Alternatively, you can
Respace staves was introduced at least by Finale 2k.
ns
Rich Caldwell wrote:
When was the Respace Staves option introduced? I seem to recall having to enter the
staff positions in Staff Usage a while ago, or dragging every staff individually, but
it's tedious just thinking about that now.
Respace Staves goes back at least to v3.0 (early 90s). What I don't
remember is when it became possible to use it with optimized systems.
This is a feature I discovered much more recently.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com wrote:
Respace staves was introduced
On Apr 12, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Lee Actor wrote:
I've been using Finale for more than a decade, and have always
thought it
odd that adjusting staff position seemed to be the only item I had
to adjust
by eye and not by numerical position. Thanks for pointing this out!
(Adjusting by eye does
On 12 Apr 2010 at 7:55, Rich Caldwell asked:
When was the Respace Staves option introduced
On 12 Apr 2010 at 8:41, Noel Stoutenburg replied:
Respace staves was introduced at least by Finale 2k.
On 12 Apr 2010 at 9:16, Robert Patterson wrote:
Respace Staves goes back at least to v3.0 (early
On 12 Apr 2010, at 1:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
What I'd like, though, is the ability to set the top and bottom staff
and then have the ones in between spaced evenly automatically. Is
that available in current versions of Finale?
No -- that's one area where Sibelius has a significant
On 12 Apr 2010 at 14:18, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 12 Apr 2010, at 1:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
What I'd like, though, is the ability to set the top and bottom
staff and then have the ones in between spaced evenly automatically.
Is that available in current versions of Finale?
No
David W. Fenton wrote:
After posting I also thought of one of my annoyances with Finale, one
that we are all probably so accustomed to that we don't even notice
it any more, and that's the insistence on using negative numbers for
distances from the top of a page. This is, if I'm remembering
Thought I knew this but now I can't remember or is this not possible?
How can I make a score so that the distance between the staves are slightly
less on the first page (to give room for the title etc) and fill normally
on subsequent pages?
Thanks
/D
Page Layout/Allow Individual spacing
On Apr 11, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Dan Tillberg wrote:
Thought I knew this but now I can't remember or is this not possible?
How can I make a score so that the distance between the staves are slightly
less on the first page (to give room for the title
You have to Optimise, without removing any staves. This gives you a
lower handle in the Staff Tool on each staff that adjusts the staff
FOR THAT SYSTEM ONLY. You can still adjust global staff distances
with the upper handle.
Christopher
On Sun Apr 11, at SundayApr 11 4:16 PM, Dan
Yes, Christopher, that works too, but there is a menu choice - Allow Individual
Staff Spacing that accomplishes the same thing without the need to optimise
the system.
Chuck
On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
You have to Optimise, without removing any staves. This gives
I'll elaborate just a bit on what Christopher Smith wrote:
You have to Optimise, without removing any staves. This gives you a
lower handle in the Staff Tool on each staff that adjusts the staff FOR
THAT SYSTEM ONLY. You can still adjust global staff distances with the
upper handle.
When I
On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
I'll elaborate just a bit on what Christopher Smith wrote:
You have to Optimise, without removing any staves. This gives you a
lower handle in the Staff Tool on each staff that adjusts the
staff FOR
THAT SYSTEM ONLY. You can still adjust
I hear what you're saying...and sometimes a local solution is the
best and only way to go in a pinch. But on the other hand, there's
something about a score with a number of different spacing algorithms
that doesn't look quite right to me. As I understand it, the old
engravers of
On Jan 25, 2010, at 2:44 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
I hear what you're saying...and sometimes a local solution is the
best and only way to go in a pinch. But on the other hand, there's
something about a score with a number of different spacing
algorithms that doesn't look quite right to me.
On Mon Jan 25, at MondayJan 25 1:16 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
(For one thing, 75% of desktop publishers shouldn't be allowed to
have more than eight typefaces)
Eight? What are the other seven?
8-)
Christopher
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On 25 Jan 2010 at 11:44, Eric Fiedler wrote:
I hear what you're saying...and sometimes a local solution is the
best and only way to go in a pinch. But on the other hand, there's
something about a score with a number of different spacing algorithms
that doesn't look quite right to me. As
the Finale data for that, but it might be possible to
fix certain kinds of errors in a second pass (or flag them and ask
the user what you want to do about them).
Actually, we kind of already do that. I use the default Finale
spacing that gets things apart from things that shouldn't be
touching
to be fixed. I'm not sure how easy it
is to examine the Finale data for that, but it might be possible to
fix certain kinds of errors in a second pass (or flag them and ask
the user what you want to do about them).
Actually, we kind of already do that. I use the default Finale
spacing
of Herbert Chlapik's Die
Praxis des Notengraphikers and try to achieve those examples in Finale,
you'll see that to translate the rules he uses for old-fashion plate
engraving/spacing, you'd need to apply many different kinds of Finale
spacing in different measures, mainly because the spacing languages
David W. Fenton wrote:
On the other hand, there are some things that I think a plugin should
do. For instance, I wish there were some way to use the beat charts
that would not require moving all the handles. ...
The UI on beat chart editing is just awful. I don't mind moving the beat
Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote:
In the linked image:
http://imgur.com/Aux4V.png
you will notice the bad spacing between notes 2 and 3. Apart from
manually adjusting the third or second notes using the appropriate
Special Tool, the normal Music Spacing options have no effect.
Has anyone
Happens all the time with us (FinMac 2010).
We generally solve the problem either by
(a) using the Special tools note mover (a royal PITA), or
(b) making the measure (or _all_ measures) a little wider using the
Measure Tool or Spacing Tool, or
(c) changing the Note Spacing values globally
It
Eric Fiedler wrote:
(c) changing the Note Spacing values globally
Why not locally? Note spacing settings are only applied when respacing
is done and if you turn off AMS you'll have full control over the
spacing of the document.
It's easy to build a few FinaleScripts to provide spacing for
Matthew Hindson (gmail) écrit:
Has anyone else run into this?
Avoid collision of notes and accidentals is checked in the
Music Spacing
options.
The spacing is being applied to this particular part only, i.e.
there are
no other staves affecting the spacing. The other bars in the
part
In the linked image:
http://imgur.com/Aux4V.png
you will notice the bad spacing between notes 2 and 3. Apart from
manually adjusting the third or second notes using the appropriate
Special Tool, the normal Music Spacing options have no effect.
Has anyone else run into this?
Avoid
FinMac 2010b
This doesn't seem to be working any more. I remember it working
differently when I last had to use this.
I have avoid collisions of seconds checked in the music spacing
options, but I find that the notes are a little too close together,
particularly if the stems-down note is
I'm using over/under chord symbols and want to move them farther away
from the line in the middle. I haven't yet found how to do this.
Richard
FINMAC 09
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dc wrote:
Almost two weeks after sending my file to tech support, I am told that
they haven't found the solution, but that they've finally noticed the
problem!
Catching up with the old posts here... Did you send my fix to the
problem to them? I think this should be fairly easy to fix, once
And beat/note handles often fail to appear when using the measure
tool. I don't know if this has to do with showing defined measure
numbers or not. I haven't checked it out. Is there another
explanation for this?
I have also been bitten by the explode music bug - when exploding
music
On Nov 15, 2007, at 2:45 AM, dc wrote:
So there is obviously some dreadful bug induced by the display
defined measure numbers option! (Which caused the time signature
to change at the real measure number, and not the displayed measure
number, though this measure was the only one
dc wrote:
Johannes Gebauer écrit:
There is definitely something wrong in recent versions, and I am
almost certain it is related to linked parts.
Something wrong also with the display defined measure numbers option.
I seem to recall others had problems with this, but don't remember the
FWIW, sometimes when working in FinMac2K7, I can't access beat
handles. I've noticed this has something to do with a plugin window
being open on my 2nd monitor. Usually TGT or Patterson. Closing
that window solves the problem in that case.
J D Thomas
ThomaStudios
On Nov 15, 2007, at
On 15-Nov-07, at 9:31 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
And beat/note handles often fail to appear when using the measure
tool. I don't know if this has to do with showing defined measure
numbers or not. I haven't checked it out. Is there another
explanation for this?
I have noticed
dc wrote:
I have not had the same problems with spacing as your images had
shown, so I am trying to narrow down the possible problems. It seems
that something in your preferences may be affecting the Music Spacing
results. Let us try clearing your Finale preferences: [suggestions
follow to
dc wrote:
When I
complained recently about missing hyphens, they actually suggested I add
them as expressions.
I believe that's their way of saying that they know about the bug and
that you have to use a workaround until they eventually fix it.
OK, I'll send it.
I took a look at your
Dennis wrote:
I've been using Finale for some 15 years now, and I find that tech
support hasn't really improved...
to which Jari responded,
Very few tech supports have improved during the last 15 years.
Virtually all commercial software today rely on user-to-user
communities (forums, lists,
On 14.11.2007 Jari Williamsson wrote:
I took a look at your file and the frames are indeed corrupted. (I'm a bit
curious if you entered the piece all by hand using Simple/Speedy or if you used
some import function such as MusicXML import for the data.)
I have a file where one single measure
I noticed that you did not mention testing the file's integrity,
removing deleted items.
I would certainly give these routines a try...maybe you'll get lucky.
If anyone has any other suggestions, please jump in.
Waiting for you guys to answer (for which many thanks), I tried
several
On Sun, November 4, 2007 8:05 am, dc wrote:
The only way to get rid of the problem is to copy the contents of the file
in a new one... and lose all the layout and ajusting work already done.
One more thought, and I don't have the thread in front of me to check
this. I have found that these
On Nov 4, 2007, at 7:25 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I noticed that you did not mention testing the file's integrity,
removing deleted items.
I would certainly give these routines a try...maybe you'll get lucky.
A nice idea, but these have never helped me out, and I have gotten
On Nov 4, 2007, at 8:21 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
On Sun, November 4, 2007 8:05 am, dc wrote:
The only way to get rid of the problem is to copy the contents of
the file
in a new one... and lose all the layout and ajusting work already
done.
One more thought, and I don't have the
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