This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com
Thank you Fred, and all the other people who have helped me with advice
and support.
There is not much to report, she is holding her own and does not
seem to be in any pain. Every afternoon the older Morgan does his grazing
circuit which
.
Fred
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Subject: founder update.
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Thank you Fred, and all the other people who have helped me with advice
and support.
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This message is from: Elizabeth German bgh...@hughes.net
Valerie, I don't know if it would be helpful to your mare's recovery but
several years ago when one of my mares had a serious founder, my vet
recommended I give her Hemo-Flo. It's a supplement that apparently assists
with circulation
This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com
Thank you everyone for your help and information and the stories. There
are some kind and knowledgeable people in the world, and they own Fjords!
I will let you know how my big girl is doing. I have joined the
hoof discussions. I have ordered
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Hi to All,
I had surgery on my back a couple of weeks ago so I am behind in my response
to the never ending issue of laminitis and how to deal with our chubby
Fjords. A friend of mine introduced me to a great web sight concerning safe
feed
and
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Thanks to all who responded with advice about grass founder and my mare. I
have gotten a lot of real help.
It's so good to know I'm not out here swinging in the breeze all alone. I
just knew I'd fine help on this Fjord list.
Thanks again,
Pat
This message is from: Michelle King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello!
In regards to treating a foundered horse, two websites
w/ excellent recommendations are
www.equinepodiatry.net. KC LaPierre promotes no shoes
on performance horses and his theories are backed by
sound biomechanical principles. I have
to give them? They have always been dry lotted at night (6PM - 6AM).
Also, my farrier says they will need more nutrition to heal the hoof. Hubby
wants to give them senior horse chow. WHAT DO I DO? I don't want to
founder again.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks
Pat in Iowa
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Author
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Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949
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This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pre founder is the most important treatment, cutting back on all grass,
checking for crestiness in the neck and pulse in the feet. Now, do not feed
anything rich, ie vitamins, brans etc. Last years hay in small quantities.
Medication. Once
who are the importers. Using this has
been cheaper than the LaminaSaver and has been equally effective.
The mini has been on the Chasteberry formula PLUS Corta-Flx for over a year
without any further founder problems. Hooves are sound with no separation.
This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trail riding depending on where you are and how well you know the area can
be safer than taking the kids around the neighborhood. It can also be worse
: ((
I didn't have my daughter start till I knew she had a solid seat and control
of
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In a message dated 7/31/2005 2:14:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you think that lifting her tail to the side when you scratch her means
she's coming in?
Nope! Most horses (even the boys) will lift their tail to the side when
when you scratch her means
she's coming in?
Vanessa
---Original Message---
From: Jean Ernest
Date: 07/31/05 16:31:12
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Re: In season? Kids on trails? Pellets and founder?
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Most fillies will come
This message is from: Susan Felix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Susan from Colorado: I regards to Founder, I have tried the muzzle on Ramsey
and he has managed to remove it every time and then after clever haltering it
stayed on for about 2 days then he totally destroyed it. So I went to plan B
and he
and Triple
Crown Senior. Both are on pergolite (sp?) and mine is also on chromium. Both
of these horses are 18 years old. Unfortunately, I also have experience with
founder. My appaloosa mare foundered when she got West Nile two years ago (she
had had both vaccines that year, and both
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Hi Jennie-
Bonnie looks better already! She does have a beautiful dark golden glow to
her coat.
On barefoot, founder, and natural horse care: two books you should invest in
are Horse Owner's Guide to Natural Hoof Care and Founder: Prevention and Cure
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Jennie,
The Rural Heritage magazine has a great website that may be of help:
The Farrier section http://www.ruralheritage.com/village_smithy/index.htm
they also have a Ask the Blacksmith section at the bottom of the list.
. I wasn't watching it with my full attention, so if I missed
something, please fill me in.
Also, I'm a firm believer in going barefoot when possible. And half of the
farriers say you need shoes with founder, and the others say you need shoes
with
founder to prevent the coffin bone from going
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In a message dated 5/28/04 10:13:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Absolutely Fjords will founder! I don't even feed Bermuda hay. I live
in Little Rock, and the fertilized Bermuda you get around here is
mainly grown for beef cattle
This message is from: Lori Lemley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Absolutely Fjords will founder! I don't even feed Bermuda hay. I live
in Little Rock, and the fertilized Bermuda you get around here is
mainly grown for beef cattle, and is way too rich for my Fjords. I feed
Orchard Grass hay and turn out 1
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, Fjords founder. It is a real danger. Several people on this list,
myself included, use the Best Friends Grazing Muzzle at least part time.
Gail
grass. It is my understanding that ponies founder more often than
big horses. I've always graduated my horses onto the pasture over a few
weeks, leaving them out a little longer each day. My farrier said he would
never leave a pony on pasture full time because of founder
First of all, welcome
This message is from: Mark Sarah Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fjords can and do founder. They also gain weight very rapidly when
overfed.
Please look into this breed's nutritional requirements carefully. Many
people on this list can advise you on how they successfully manage their
Fjord horses
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Congratulations on your first Fjord. I have 2 Fjords Aske and Elise. I live
15
minutes west of Fort Worth. Due to the lack of rain the pastures are not
lush, so my fjords get about 3 to 5 hours a day.
Jeanie
coastal bermuda
pasture and she is coming out of a sand lot with a some weeds and very
little grass. It is my understanding that ponies founder more often than
big horses. I've always graduated my horses onto the pasture over a few
weeks, leaving them out a little longer each day. My farrier said
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve, all
The fjordlist has a broader reach than you might suspect. I just forwarded
this to a friend who has recurrent uveitis...who is being asked, as a health
care responder, to be vaccinated for small pox. Her family has a history
of
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Eileen,
Yes, I agree that vac. and worming *can* aggravate moon blindness. But
the underlying condition that caused the problem is already there
(autoimmune). I would say this is true for any animal or person that has
an immune disorder (that vaccines
This message is from: Eileen Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve,
Luckily, I don't know much about founder. However, I do know that vaccinations
and worming *do* aggravate an auto-immune condition called equine recurrent
uveitus (moon blindness). Coincidently, I just received my ERU newsletter
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Kathi,
You had me, but then you lost me.
I agree with your theories on hoof support. Sand is an excellent way of
providing even support to the sole. Also, the sheets of styrofoam
insulation are great to have around to tape to the feet when you have a
This message is from: fjordcountry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have treated many foundered horses as a therapeutic farrier and favor the
following methods. If you have a deep sandy area for the horse to be put in
this is a great natural support system for the hoof and enclosed bony column
i.e. coffin
in the summer, are kept in a not very
big corral, maybe 30 horses. They are not mistreated, it is just crowded
and it is amazing how well they get along.
As to the founder, I unfortunately have some experience, with
Morgans. When your farrier comes, he will probably pinch her sole with
testers
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fred and Lois Pack
Pack's Peak Stables
Wilkeson, Washington 98396
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
I downloaded some case files in PDF format. If you are interested,
some discrepancy in the products effective dose. With
horses or ponies over 700 to 800 pounds, the loading dose of two full
scoops was either ineffective or only minimally effective. When the
dosage was doubled for larger animals, the results were rapid and
dramatic.
Classic founder rings on one
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alex I may be late in answering your founder questions as I plow through
over four hundred emails during my vacation.
Friends of mine foundered their lovely fjord by giving too much supplements
and enjoying his super fat condition. It came
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My vet told me that one of the (probably) two other Fjords in Sonoma County
foundered and had to be put down. She had been on pasture for years, but I
think the El Nino winter caused LOTS of founders in the spring...just really
lush, hot
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look through the archives: There are 177 matches for the word founder
http://www.eScribe.com/pets/fjordhorse/
user name is fjordhorse, password is fjords_rule
Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, with light rain showers and 60 F degrees.
I am
the hundreds of Fjords I have looked at
in the ten years I have been researching the breed,
I have only seen one mare that had been foundered.
In the past I have had Welsh ponies that seemed to
founder easily, despite efforts to restrict their access
to lush grasses. I am wondering what you various
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mary, I wonder if they all should be seeded. Perhaps it is a gut problem
where we somehow kill off what is needed to keep a balance there. Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
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--- Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am following the founder discussion with big
interest. I might be wrong,
but it seems to be more of a problem here in the US
than back in Norway.
The cases of founder I have come across
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Erika Rehbock wrote:
Hi,
I'm new on list and got excited right away about the dicussion on founder. We
live in Finland and own two fjordgeldings, 18 and 20 yrs old, one is a fatty
and the other one stays about normal size.
This message is from: Dagrun Aarsten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello everyone,
I am following the founder discussion with big interest. I might be wrong,
but it seems to be more of a problem here in the US than back in Norway.
I converted to fjords only a few years ago but there were plenty of them
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I've been following the discussion on founder and thought I would give my two
cents.
There seems to be a wide variety of treatments suggested and I think this is
because there is a lot that we don't know about the disease. For instance, one
suggestion
This message is from: Erika Rehbock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I'm new on list and got excited right away about the dicussion on founder. We
live in Finland and own two fjordgeldings, 18 and 20 yrs old, one is a fatty
and the other one stays about normal size. They have free pasture in summer
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In a message dated 2/16/2002 5:50:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL
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writes:
I have a saying from one of
my older vets that he's never met a pony who hasn't foundered or won't in
the
future.
Just had to put my two cents in on this,
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Hi Janet, sorry to hear that your pony foundered. I have a saying from one of
my older vets that he's never met a pony who hasn't foundered or won't in the
future. We even had a case of mechanical founder where a pony mare foundered
from the stress
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pat this horse of mine is too sensitive and will only tolerate Vit C added
and lixotinic in his grain. I have to threaten him and coerce to get him to
accept his Tri histamine hidden in lixotinic. Believe me I have tried it
all. Whereas he will
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From: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: founder
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet having just been through a three month period of not knowing if
founder or trim was to blame I
This message is from: Bossmare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In regards to various treatments for founder in recent years my vets have
given DMSO, gallons of it dripped via IV. This works as both an
anti-inflammatory and pain reliever. Reducing inflammation is essential to
prevent or reduce damage
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet having just been through a three month period of not knowing if
founder or trim was to blame I can understand your dilemma. Mine turned out
to be a very bad and short trim and then bruising to the sole.
Re the coffin bone, I was also
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So now I have some questions. she is still standing, has been examined by
a vet, and is now being treated with oral bute and cold water on the feet
(all four are affected). She is not severly lame, but definitely tender,
warm, with a
, opening up peripheral blood vessels. It is safe and
virtually free of side effects.
Seeing that alfalfa is high in clacium, it would make sense that more
magnesium would be needed.
Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +2 F with some snowflakes
The discussion on founder is timely for me. I am experiencing
This message is from: Janet McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The discussion on founder is timely for me. I am experiencing my first case of
founder in a (non-fjord) drafty type pony of unknown heritage. Yes she is
chunky, but not cresty necked. I am kicking myself for how it occured... I had
just
minutes at a time. My Fjords don't founder, are muscled and are
not overweight. The Arabian gets the same stuff. No problems with her
either.
If creatures cannot survive on love and a certain amount of benign
neglect, they don't last long at my house. I spend too many hours at work
to have
This message is from: Jim and Tammy Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's no fun to come home from work and notice your horse
isn't moving too well. My winter paddock is 40' x 40'
and compact snow. I have an almost 6 yr. old mare and
an almost 5 yr. old gelding. They have been friends since
birth. I
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We are going to be purchasing a Fjord filly soon and we are wondering if you
have to be careful with them over eating on grass. Do Fjords founder out on
pasture? I have seen many that I felt were carrying too much fat... is that
had
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Great work, Anneli
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would say fjords founder very easily. And think about it - for hundreds
of years this breed have been forced to live on very little food and to
manage on fodder
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gunthar is working 1 hour at least 4 days a week. Does it on 3 to 4 flakes
of high quality grass hay a day (probably 20 lbs) and is holding his weight
well. He is also developing the most gorgeous muscles on this diet. I've
been reluctant
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would say fjords founder very easily. And think about it - for hundreds
of years this breed have been forced to live on very little food and to
manage on fodder like straw, fish bone and heather. The Danish writer
Ingrid Skjoeth writes
This message is from: Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks, Marge, for the update on Asta. I'm sure, like me, many people
on the list have been thinking of Asta and praying for her recovery.
I'm so glad she's feeling better.
Meredith Sessoms
Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, USA
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On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
information about red raspberry leaf. Supposedly it is a great thing to give
broodmares, it helps tone their uterus, helps them get pregnant, stay
pregnant, and supposedly would help prevent another retained
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brian, Thanks for your mini-lectures on gelding and founder. They are both
excellent! I think it is time to quit calling Fjords easy keepers. I am
finding it quite difficult to keep Tank as I feel he needs to be kept due
to the ease
for the first time yesterday. We've been
on a serious exercise program for the last three weeks. She is getting toned,
but we still have a long way to go. I knew I had a perfect candidate for
founder, and it is scary. Especially the way you describe it.
Interestingly, (this doesn't have much to do
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN)
The lead-in to this post is in the post 'more on foal feeding'.
Founder has been mentioned from time to time on this list, and as I have
recently received some e-mail directly to me asking about it, I thought I
might say a few things
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