Thank You very much, Gilbert! This is brilliant!
I hope this will finally put a stop to all this idle and adversarial talk.'
Much ado about nothing', I must say.
I earnestly hope that the great? Santosh is the wiser and learns, how not to
indulge in dirty ugly debating on goanet, and then
From: Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au
Thank You very much, Gilbert! This is brilliant!
I hope this will finally put a stop to all this idle and adversarial talk.'
Much ado about nothing', I must say.
I earnestly hope that the great? Santosh is the wiser and learns, how not to
indulge
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Fr. Ivo appears to be not the least bit familiar with peer-reviewed medical
scientific literature, and as a professional priest and theologian, clearly and
understandably, does not have the background and
Nascy Caldeira wrote:
I rest my case!
Nascy has tried to rest his case many times on Goanet. But he has not been
successful. His case is a very serious one. It cannot be easily rested.
Perhaps, an Indian vegetarian diet might help. Gilbert's chicken soup will only
make it a more restless
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
My personal belief is based on faith and some circumstantial evidence.
All religions are based almost entirely on faith.
Jane Gillian wrote:
What is the purpose of any debate on the existence of God?
Mario responds:
This question should be addressed
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:05:58 +0530
From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
I cannot study Theology without studying Science at all.
Mario observes:
Padre Ivo,
With all due respect, if you are continuing to insist that the existence
of God
can
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Sun, 4/26/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
He gave me additional reason to believe in my beliefs until
he places #3 wherein he then goes on to say that we (should) we not
take our beliefs too seriously. Hummh!
Taking beliefs too
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
Dear Fr. Ivo,
I had asked Santoshbab for evidence that 'Prayer does not work'. He
referred me to two papers which I have not yet reviewed.
When I review them, I will put them through the following series of
evaluatory questions...
Now ... you say you have
Hi Fr. Ivo and Mistry,
Religion is one of the frequent threads on Goanet. Some of the most active
discussants have recently shared with us their knowledge-base about the
subject. Since you are active on this subject, you may be forced to respond to
any serious or flip remark about religion..
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
As a practicing Catholic and a believer in objective science, it
continues to boggle the mind when otherwise serious individuals confuse
science and faith, which is the basis of religion.
From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
But what is faith for
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
I congratulate Mario on a lucid exposition of his faith-based beliefs, as
well as a clear understanding of an absolute separation between science and
religion, and of the scope and limits of both. I would recommend this type
of clarity of thought to
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
I cannot study Theology without studying Science at all.
Padre Ivo,
With all due respect, if you are continuing to insist that the existence
of God
can be proven by science, after once agreeing that
From: Mistri Ganguli misg...@googlemail.com
Similarly, Humans being animals (or is this speculation and conjecture
as well) know that there are entities beyond our being (our existence
is not the end of the chain of existence).
Some call this superior existence - God, others just believe that
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
Santosh Helekar wrote:
[1] I believe in the goodness of all normal human beings, irrespective
of creed.
[2] I believe that that remark was just a thoughtless gaffe, the kind
of which none of us are immune from.
[3] But I think it is important that we
Dear Fr. Ivo,
I had asked Santoshbab for evidence that 'Prayer does not work'. He
referred me to two papers which I have not yet reviewed.
When I review them, I will put them through the following series of
evaluatory questions
a: How was the study sample collected?
b: Was it random or
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:53:57 +0530
From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
Virginal conception of Jesus has a historical basis (cf.Mt 1:18-23). The
Holy Trinity is based on the revelation of Jesus: God is his Father, Jesus is
the Son, and after his death and Resurrection, Jesus sent the
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
I had asked Santoshbab for evidence that 'Prayer does not work'. He referred
me to two papers which I have not yet reviewed.
The papers to which I referred were reviews and meta-analyses of all
intercessory prayer studies done
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Can Santosh, support his statement (below) about my claim that their
religion is scientific.? Please just post my quote and the context the
statement was made.
Here is the
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
Can Santosh, support his statement (below) about my claim that their
religion is scientific.?
Please just post my quote and the context the statement was made.
Please do not give me your interpretation of my writings about my religion.
I am really
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Goanet] Religion and Science
I am really getting tired of reading posts where alleged intelligent authors
put words in other peoples' writing - and the demagogue it ad infinity.??
Mario responds:
As the only voice on Goanet of reason
Can Santosh, support his statement (below) about my claim that their religion
is scientific.?
Please just post my quote and the context the statement was made.
Please do not give me your interpretation of my writings about my religion.
I am really getting tired of reading posts where alleged
--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Can Santosh, support his statement (below) about my claim that their
religion is scientific.? Please just post my quote and the context the
statement was made.
Here is the quote and a link to the context:
So IMO both
Gilbert should not get tired if gets his facts wrong. Cornel does not post on
Goanet because he had a disagreement with Goanet moderators over some of his
posts. Not because he did not have evidence of the caste issue.
George
--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear All,
I am sure that Mario Goveia does not know what he is talking about.
I say to all Goanet readers who do believe in God or super power that.
He (Mario) has nothing better to do all day.
God means different things to different people - so, just shut up Mario!
Science vs Humans is based on
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:05:58 +0530
From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
I cannot study Theology without studying Science at all.
Mario observes:
Padre Ivo,
With all due respect, if you are continuing to insist that the existence of God
can be proven by science, after once agreeing
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:43:46 -0400
From: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com
PRAYER REQUEST FOR JOSE ROD
Dear Friends, We are saddened by the fatal news that Joseph Rodrigues popularly
known as Jose Rod, a multi-talented individual hailed as the Super Star of the
Konkani
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
Hi Gilbert,
Finally, here is my direct answer to the extraneous question you have
asked. I hope you will have the courtesy to answer the questions i have
asked in my previous posts.
Please tell us the names of five theological books you have
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
On Mon, 4/20/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I appreciate Santosh telling us he has not read any book
on theology. Now we will have to check about other topics he
writes on.
Gilbert, I said I did not STUDY (not just read) any book
--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
***Dr.Santosh is asking me to read books on Science when discussing about
the relationship between Science and Theology.
I am asking Fr. Ivo to do nothing of this sort. He is free to read whatever he
wants. I am merely
Mario observes:
As a practicing Catholic and a believer in objective science, it
continues to boggle the mind when otherwise serious individuals confuse
science and faith, which is the basis of religion.
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:59:43 +0530
From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
But
I congratulate Mario on a lucid exposition of his faith-based beliefs, as well
as a clear understanding of an absolute separation between science and
religion, and of the scope and limits of both. I would recommend this type of
clarity of thought to everybody.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- On Wed,
--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I appreciate Santosh telling us he has not read any book
on theology. Now we will have to check about other topics he
writes on.
Gilbert, I said I did not STUDY (not just read) any book on theology, which is
what you asked
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:06:59 -0400
From: RGrootendorst rgrootendo...@btclick.com
Why is there such a shortage of empathy towards our fellow man? I feel shame
for the torture, kidnap and rendition of suspect detainees, whereas others
feel such inhuman means justify the end. Is Obama
From: Mario Goveia
Subject: [Goanet] Religion and Science
From: jane gillian rodrigues
Yes, when all else fails, we pray to God for a miracle cure, and God always
hears
our prayers and cures us.
Mario asks:
HE does? Are you suggesting that those who die every day do not pray for a
miracle
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote:
Science is no match for religioud (sic) belief.
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
But good faith is not good science. That is all I am saying. I
Albert writes:- God has given us plants .Some of them have medicinal values. We
have a habbit of running to an allopath without realising how harmful these
medicines are. For cold:- the allopath will give you antibiotics. but I would
suggest ginger smashed on a stone in glass of water to which
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote:
Science is no match for religioud (sic) belief.
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
But good faith is not good science. That is all I am saying. I am forced to
say it because of the false
Hi Gilbert,
I noticed that you avoided answering my questions, asking me an unrelated
question, instead, to obfuscate matters. Moreover, you are asking me to buy
your own personal revisionist definition of scientific inquiry, which has no
connection with the real scientific world, and
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
-- On Fri, 4/17/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Since you-both have asked for my clarification, I am stepping into this
cross-current.
Dear Gilbert,
I had asked you to tell me why you think that even the religion that Fr. Ivo
was
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:23:28 +
From: Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com
God has given us plants. Some of them have medicinal values. We have a habbit
of running to an allopath without realising how harmful these medicines are.
Memo to Santosh and Gilbert:
See how much time you
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
As a physician, I shall do whatever I can in my system (allopathic or
homoepathic) and specialization. The patient will come to me if s/he
knows my value in my system and specialization.
Is this what passes off as intelligent conversation among scientists?
Or is this a bitter brew of mis-guided outrage?
Well ... I guess some scientist have a problem dealing with the facts.
I would understand getting some flak from clinicians, for not being detailed in
my explanations. However
I point out some more puzzling and pseudoscientific statements in Fr. Ivo's
latest post.
--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I am quite acquainted with conventional medicine and homeopathy, therefore I
am speaking from the viewpoint of both. As a matter of fact,
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote:
Science is no match for religioud belief.
Dear Maurice,
You are right only about the fact that science is no match for religious
belief, and that Fr. Ivo writes in good faith. I suspect, so do
--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Since you-both have asked for my clarification, I am stepping into this
cross-current.
Dear Gilbert,
I had asked you to tell me why you think that even the religion that Fr. Ivo
was preaching in these kinds of threads was
, with different states, different religions, different languages
etc. are still One India?
=
From: J. Colaco jc
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Religion and Science
2009/4/16 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza
From: Santosh Helekar
To find out why the wild claims
I cannot believe what Gilbert has written in the post appended below. He has
not only misled Goanetters on the subject of placebos, and how and why they are
used in drawing inferences about the effectiveness of treatments, but he has
made questionable statements on the treatment of pneumonia -
Dear Santosh,
Thank you for your polite response and not knit-picking my post. Let me answer
your questions:
SH: Are you claiming that Christian priests and ministers, Muslim mullahs and
imams, and Hindu bhots and swamis study science and scientific method as part
of their theological
Date: 19 Apr 2009 08:16:18 -
From: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com
Yes, when all else fails, we pray to God for a miracle cure, and God always
hears our prayers and cures us.
Mario asks:
HE does? Are you suggesting that those who die every day do not pray for a
Dear Santosh,
Science is no match for religioud belief.
We go to temples, churches and pray to a particular deity or saint,
with a mind set. Human mind is very complex and if one truly
believes the favour will be granted or certain ailment will be healed,
it is possible it might. As an
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote:
Science is no match for religioud belief.
Dear Maurice,
You are right only about the fact that science is no match for religious
belief, and that Fr. Ivo writes in good faith. I suspect, so do you and
Gilbert.
But good faith is not good
Deo Gratias for JGR and her emotionally intelligent response on Religion
Science. Over the past couple of decades we know so much more than before,
but people become evermore polarised, overly-aggressive and paranoid, or am
I talking about the warring governments/nations of the world? Is there
Dear Santosh and Fr. Ivo,
For starters, I have to honestly let you both know that, I have not been
following your discourses. The few posts of yours that I browsed, I skipped
after reading the first few lines. While you-both are intelligent, I
think your conversations pass each-other like
--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
As a physician, I shall do whatever I can in my system (allopathic or
homoepathic) and specialization. The patient will come to me if s/he knows
my value in my system and specialization.
The above statement is puzzling, and I am
Religion and Science: Homeopathy / Allopathy / Science
To some the following may be simplistic; while to others it may be 'too
medical'. Either way my apologies. Sure some will knit-pick every word and
sentence, thus overlooking the gist of the message. We Goans are sometimes
good at
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
It is clear that homeopathy and other alternative medical practices are
faith-based belief systems. There are uncanny similarities and analogies
between these medical belief systems, and new and old religious belief
systems. They are:
1. Both have a
To find out why the wild claims regarding homeopathy made by Fr. Ivo in the
posts appended below are patently bogus, please read this article provided by a
prominent British organization of scientists, promoting sense and science among
lay people:
2009/4/16 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
[1] I would say that those who benefit, let them take the maximum from
any medical system.
Even in the hospitals people take their own choices and sometimes may
be healed...
After all, one should do what is possible, within rational limits, and
leave
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
To find out why the wild claims regarding homeopathy made by Fr. Ivo
in the posts appended below are patently bogus, please read this article
provided
by a prominent British organization of scientists, promoting sense and
science among lay people:
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
Fr. Ivo,
Thanks for endorsing my statement. What is it they say about great minds think
alike?
Mario observes:
Gilbert is absolutely correct. He and Fr. Ivo think exactly alike, as we can
see from
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
2009/4/16 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
After all, one should do what is possible, within rational limits, and
leave the rest in the hands of the Almighty God.
Dear Fr Ivo, I believe we are talking from two different
angles. You (possibly) from the
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
However, would you not agree that, the evidence must be rested and evaluated
by scientific methods and not on the basis of mere anecdotal evidence.
The problem is Fr. Ivo's idea of the scientific method is not the same as that
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:05:01 -0400
From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com
Who I wonder authorised 'jurisdiction to this individual to call names on
Spain? Very funny.
Mario responds:
I'm glad you find your lack of knowledge funny. As the only voice of reason,
truth and peace on Goanet, my
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
However, would you not agree that, the evidence must be rested and
evaluated by scientific methods and not on the basis of mere anecdotal
evidence.
The problem is Fr. Ivo's idea of the
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
2009/4/15 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote: Homeopathy, it
is not enough to quote articles by people who do not know it at all.
Let people who have been practising and experiencing it speak of their
evidence.
Dear Fr Ivo,
I agree with you that
2009/4/16 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
[1] I endorse totally your statement that any medical system has to be
evaluated by scientific methods. If it is accepted as a medical system, it
is because it is yielding good results. WHO has approved it.
Dear Fr Ivo .Thank you for your
It is clear that homeopathy and other alternative medical practices are
faith-based belief systems. There are uncanny similarities and analogies
between these medical belief systems, and new and old religious belief systems.
They are:
1. Both have a large faith-based following.
2. Both make
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
2009/4/16 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in
[1] I endorse totally your statement that any medical system has to be
evaluated by scientific methods. If it is accepted as a medical system, it
is because it is yielding good results. WHO has approved it.
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I do not know what is pseudo-religion and pseudo-science.
It is very easy to recognize pseudoscience. Briefly, it refers to any
unscientific claim that is falsely advertised as being
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
There was no thread called Religion and Science until Gilbert started it
with the above post. I assume by pseudo-religion and pseudo-science he is
referring to the threads initiated by Fr. Ivo. I would agree with Gilbert
that Fr. Ivo was propagating
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
As the voice of reason, truth and peace, you may be needed in Madrid.
Please see below.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-13/the-bush-six-to-be-indicted/
Mario responds:
Sadly, as
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I have no my own pre-conceived religious beliefs
Interesting statement! I wonder how much credulity one would have to be endowed
with in order to believe that a religious man like Fr. Ivo does not have his
own
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I have no my own pre-conceived religious beliefs
Interesting statement! I wonder how much credulity one would have to be
endowed with in order to believe that a religious man
2009/4/15 Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote: Homeopathy, it
is not enough to quote articles by people who do not know it at all.
Let people who have been practising and experiencing it speak of their
evidence.
Dear Fr Ivo,
I agree with you that those 'who practice and experience
Fr. Ivo,
Thanks for endorsing my statement. What is it they say about great minds think
alike?
I concur that Goans should not / cannot be misled by the few pontificators. But
at some point, they should at best, be ignored. After all, why waste time
responding to the 'sodanchem kani' (pardon
One Mr. Mario responds: as the only real voice on Goanet for reason, truth
and peace, I am forced to put some context and perspective on the overheated
claims on a far left wing blog
He further claims Madrid has no jurisdiction over Americans' Sadly in the
same breath, this Mario the peace
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
Every topic has its time, place and space. By and large, those in the
know, are also familiar with, in what forum and where these parameters
lie.
Cross those boundaries and likely one is in 'outer-space'. Here, at best one
is having a dialog with
--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:
I do not know what is pseudo-religion and pseudo-science.
It is very easy to recognize pseudoscience. Briefly, it refers to any
unscientific claim that is falsely advertised as being scientific by its
proponents or promoters.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
The technique of demagoguery (commonly used on Goanet) usually is: Create a
straw man with a few false statements / assumptions. Then tear it down, while
sounding intellectual and articulate.??
Mario
As the voice of reason, truth and peace, you may be needed in Madrid.
Please see below.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-13/the-bush-six-to-be-indicted/
Regards, GL
- Mario observes:
Since Gilbert frequently seems oblivious to what he writes, it becomes
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
Every topic has its time, place and space. By and large, those in the
know, are also familiar with, in what forum and where these parameters lie.
Cross those boundaries and likely one is in 'outer-space'. Here, at best one is
having a dialog with oneself - soliloquy. At worst, (when one is
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom
of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute
http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical
God created the earth, and everything that it contained. Gradually as man saw
various objects like the sun, stars, rain etc he began to think about the same
and found these objects as some thing above the power of man and so he called
it god. so we had the sun god. Even today many people
Fr. Ivo's latest installment, appended below, once
again clearly shows that not being a scientist, he
consistently misunderstands what scientists like the
noted evolutionary biologist Francisco Ayala and
myself write about science.
I must tell you that the direct response of Francisco
Ayala to
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Since Fr.Ivo is not a scientist, he is not able to recognize what
is nonsense in science. He is not able to understand
that there is no such thing as absolutizing science,
because science does not claim to know the absolute
truth.
*Being a scientist,
Dear Dr.Gilbert,
Thanks for your appreciation and support.
On a personal level, I see many situations where science will find it
difficult to explain. Not infrequently, I will see a patient I have
treated with advanced cancer, who with overwhelming statistics is supposed
to live for about
Hi Santosh and Fr. Ivo,
Goanet has some well-recognized experts, even if some Goans do not recognize
them and others are indifferent to them. We should use these experts to help
the rest of us expand our knowledge. We should be the inquiring minds that
want to know. Hence non-experts
Dear Dr.Jose Colaço,
I do respect your opinion.
I do not agree that Religion is a private matter.
I agree with you that we should also discuss some of the ills,
but submit that also there are so different views on those topics,
and they are to be related with Religion and Science.
You wrote: I
Hi Gilbert,
I think you are right about some of the things you say
in the post appended below. But since you are not a
cosmologist, astrophysicist or a theoretical physicist
you are most likely not very accurate in what you say
about the predictions of Einstein's theory and the
value of
Not being a scientist, Fr. Ivo is mistaken in his
views about me as a scientist and about science. Since
he is not a scientist he is not able to recognize what
is nonsense in science. He is not able to understand
that there is no such thing as absolutizing science,
because science does not claim
Dear Dr.Gilbert Lawrence,
My aim in writing in this Forum was to tell not to meddle in the field of
Bible and Theology and attack Christian Faith in the name of Science.
You wrote: Thus the practicing doctors need the theoreticians; and the
theoreticians need the clinicians. So too is the
I think Gilbert is right. The scientific views of a
religious man who does not know much about science are
worth very little. The same is true for the religious
views of a scientist who does not know much about
religion.
But in a secular forum religion and science have equal
value. Both are
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