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Broadcasts are presented to the entire network in all cases.
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From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:31 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
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HUBS suck for more than 2 computers, and cost more than switches as you
cannot get them new anymore at stores.
however hubs are perfect for packet sniffing, and extending a cable past
the recommended cable max length, other than
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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
HUBS suck for more than 2 computers, and cost more than switches as you
cannot get them new anymore at stores.
however hubs are perfect for packet sniffing
and router in his room.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds]
Post-outage thoughts Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:48:41 -0500 did somebody
say they have switches and routers in thier dorm room on ups's? what in the
world would you need a switch in your dorm
And what does this have to do with the outage?
Alex Mottshaw wrote:
Dear Alfred and Valve,
First of all, let me say that I have had a lot of enjoyment from
Counter Strike Source, so much so that I created GotGames.com.au in
Australia to specifically address the lack of a serious CSS
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 08:53:20AM +, Gigabit Nick wrote:
Most modern ADSL/Wireless routers have auto sensing non-manageable
switches in them because the hardware is cheap and packet sniffing made
people wary of hubs.
Not so much. Hubs offer less performance due to their nature. At this
] Post-outage thoughts
And what does this have to do with the outage?
Alex Mottshaw wrote:
Dear Alfred and Valve,
First of all, let me say that I have had a lot of enjoyment from
Counter Strike Source, so much so that I created GotGames.com.au in
Australia to specifically address the lack
and packet sniffing made people wary of hubs.
So the guy could have a $70 wireless ADSL route and technically have a switch
and router in his room.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:48:41 -0500 did somebody
] On Behalf Of Scott Tuttle
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:23 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Such redundancy is Networking 101 and Programming 101... You can choose to
ignore it if you like... But in the real word it is fact .
Valve
their redundancy inline
with the need and if not... will their customers accept that position?
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From: Frazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:43 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
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Whether
All of these post on this subject and still NOTHING FROM VALVE!! Any bets on
what their gonna do? My moneys on nothing
From: Edward Luna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/12/19 Tue AM 07:18:14 CST
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Very well
.
Regards,
Newbie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 7:36:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
All of these post on this subject and still NOTHING FROM VALVE!! Any bets on
what their gonna do? My moneys
application but pretty much reasonable for gaming services.
Regards,
Newbie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 7:36:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
All of these post on this subject and still
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Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:43 PM
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Then I guess I may have things backwards in thinking that any personal
inconvenience should be outweighed by actual tragety suffered by others.
Yeah
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Considering that STEAM is now a revenue generating service, my bet is Valve
will sort this out sooner rather than
courses but you still get the point :D
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All I'm seeing is whining
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:50 PM
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You are right, networking 101 teaches that, I took the networking class
in high school, and got
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Still sounds like alot of money invested for nothing. Where is the ROI
for Valve? Will this cost them sales? I say no, the software has been
bought and paid
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From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2006 3:45 AM
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Considering that STEAM is now a revenue generating service, my bet
: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
You would have to ask their sales force if being able to say the system is
redundant would help them make sales.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob johnson
: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
You would have to ask their sales force if being able to say the system is
redundant would help them make sales.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob johnson
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From: Roman Hatsiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:21:39 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
This is true only as long as you work with tested and widely adopted
solution like Active Directory. For closed
gainfully employed and I do not consult on the side.
-Mike-
-Mike- is: Biker ~ Slacker ~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker
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From: Roman Hatsiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:21:39 PM
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- is: Biker ~ Slacker ~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker
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From: Gary Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 8:36:02 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Netcom had a massive outage in '96 that lasted almost the same
duration
Sorry but a DC without full UPS and generator backed power is
just NOT a DC its a bedroom / shed operation. As others have
pointed out running such an operation from a single DC is
beyond belief as well.
I do hope heads roll for this as its caused major pain.
Steve
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Why are you guys even worrying about power??
I know it was a power issue that caused the outage, but the significant fact
to be discovered in all of this, is that there is this great big stinking
single point of failure.
All it needs is
not consult on the side.
-Mike-
-Mike- is: Biker ~ Slacker ~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker
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From: Roman Hatsiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:21:39 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
This is true only
not be
measured against a lost Christmas for those unfortunate to have been effected
by the storms.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Lets
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:26:59 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Lets keep things in perspective people. Over a million people without power
or heat int the middle of winter. Christmas planning for lots of those are
out
9:26:59 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Lets keep things in perspective people. Over a
million people without power
or heat int the middle of winter. Christmas
planning for lots of those are
out the window because of lost wages, loss of life,
and loss of basic
services
From: -Mike- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/12/18 Mon PM 12:36:32 CST
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Honestly, this is an administrators list. Most of us here are going to very
coldly and to the fact discuss the impact of the outage. If you
a lost
Christmas for those unfortunate to
have been effected by the storms.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Lets keep
not be measured against a lost Christmas for those unfortunate to
have been effected by the storms.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:27 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Lets
Steam network went down.
Steam network did not need to go down.
Therefore, something could have been done to prevent
the Steam network from going down.
That's all there is to it. We are not discussing
real-world impact because this is not a list meant for
that kind of discussion. This is a
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning
quarterbacking.
Lets try this. If anyone out there has a diagram of the
Valve infrastructure, and a complete understanding of who
they contract
atouk, none of us are happy about the effects of the power outage, however as
with any natural disaster there are consequences that can be mitigated and
consequences that can be reacted to. valve now have a secure stable network
of content servers that managed to keep working perfectly throughout
Steam went down - Absolutely
Steam did not need to go down. - Possibly
Something could have been done. - Probobly
My argument isn't with Steam going down, Steam not going down, but with
attitudes here.
It's three days later, people are STILL without power up there, and yet we have
people
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning
quarterbacking.
Lets try this. If anyone out there has a diagram of the
Valve infrastructure, and a complete understanding of who
they contract with for what services and facilities
are addressed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:43 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
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Then I guess I may have things backwards in thinking that any personal
inconvenience
~ Iconoclast ~ Eclectic Thinker
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:42:44 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
Then I guess I may have things backwards in thinking that any personal
@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning
quarterbacking.
Lets try this. If anyone out there has a diagram of the
Valve infrastructure, and a complete understanding of who
they contract with for what
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Actually he is right here
We were all too stupid to ask whether this eventuality had been catered for
by Valve. Well maybe some of you did, but I am embarrassed by the fact that
this is a question I've never posed to Valve in the past, as I just
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2006 1:03 PM
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Subject: Re: RE: RE: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
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here
We were all too stupid to ask whether this eventuality had been catered
for by Valve. Well
@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: Re:
Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:16:51 -0500 If
a power outage that affected over a million poeple in a large geographical
area (and is STILL affecting people) isn't a good enough explanation for a
short outage, then I'm thinking
This absolutely amazing! Next time my mail server goes down for six
hours because of lack of UPS in case if I questioned by my management
why this happened my reply will be - forget about mail server, just
think about the guy who spend these six hours locked in the lift, just
think about those
First of all I'm sorry for being too pessimistic in the following
paragraph, to expect worst must be a general habit of any IT
professional.
I'm pretty much surprised that the authentication of whole Steam
network depends on single location regardless of how good this
location is in whatever
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From: Roman Hatsiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Unfortunately things happen -
9/11, New Orleans, you name it - so no single location in a world is
good enough for Steam.
Yeah but even internic had power after Katrina hit.They where
] Post-outage thoughts
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From: Roman Hatsiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Unfortunately things happen -
9/11, New Orleans, you name it - so no single location in a world is
good enough for Steam.
Yeah but even internic had power after Katrina
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An excellent point. There are far too many people who still like to play SP
games. This, in my opinion, is totally unacceptable...
On 12/17/06, Edward Luna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would still like to know why I was unable to play sp
Hatsiev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:38:18 +0300
Subject: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts
First of all I'm sorry for being too pessimistic in the following
paragraph, to expect worst must be a general habit of any IT
professional.
I'm pretty
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