Etehadchap schrieb:
> Defend Iranian Women against medieval punishments
>
> In the province of Khorassan , over 20 prostitutes (
> 12 in Mashad and at least another 10 in Bojnourd and
> Shahroud )are the latest victims of serial murders
> in Iran. The method and brutality of their death, as
>
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comrades,
while the true meaning of imperialisms' designs and use of the self
determination slogan is all too obvious it should not be forgotton that this
doesn't mean that the people concerned could be denied the right to decide their
own lot by any proletarian revolutionary. As to the Albania
IRSL schrieb:
>
> AMAL-E KARGARI (Workers' Action) No. 11 - Wednesday 21 March 2001.
>
> Amal-e Kargari is a fortnightly electronic bulletin from Iranian Revolutionary
> Socialists' League (IRSL).
>
> The next issue of Amal-e Kargari will be out on Wednesday 4 April 2001.
>
> =
> Gustavo Gamboa schrieb:
> > Abajo De la Rúa-Cavallo
> >
> > De la Rúa decidió conmemorar el 25º aniversario del golpe de una manera muy
> > especial: formando un
> > gabinete con funcionarios de la dictadura militar.
> >
> > ¿Pero, por qué sorprenderse si el gobierno de la Alianza defiende
In total agreement with James Paris
A.Holberg
James Paris schrieb:
> Dear comrades;
>
> Whoever this person is, he certainly has no business calling himself a
> Leninist of any type, and should find himself on the other side of this list
> immediately. Leninist seek to build the revolutionary pa
I largely agree with the rest of what Jerome writes, but I want to point to a
certain danger in overstressing the difference between 'patriotism' and
'chauvinism'. First of all it seems that it doesn't distinguish between an
oppressed and and oppressor nation. A second aspect is that in both ca
> Following we publish the call issued by the Power of the Working Class
> (Preparatory Group) of Korea on the current struggles in their countries. We,
> the Anti-imperialist Camp, express our full solidarity with the courageous
> struggle of the Korean workers and invite all serious anti-imp
Ben Efrat/Langfur schrieb:
> Challenge/ POB 41199, Jaffa 61411/ TEL: 03-7394174
> www.odaction.org/challenge/
> For Arabic readers: www.odaction.org/alsabar/
>
>
> We are pleased to send you a description of the contents in CHALLENGE
> #66, as well as the editorial.
>
> CHALLENGE is a bimonthly
Comrades,
I haven't received anything from the LI-list since abiut a month but I heard
that I'm still on the list of subscribers. What's going on? Can you do anything
about it?
sincerely A.Holberg
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Only today (due to PC-problems) I find an opportunity to take a stand on what
follows concerning the CPRF (here I don't want to comment on the 'case'
of Johannes). I find that M.J's position is entirely defeatist: If I get him
right he says, 1. we must not blame a party which carries the name o
theories of the seizure of power- and
> holding
> it- and building a new society. Sound vague? It's obviously the question of
> the
> day.
>
> Macdonald Stainsby,
> co-moderator,
> Leninist-International.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: A.Wosni
Dear comrades,
it's now a couple of days that I haven't received any of your messages, which is
very unusual. I wonder if you have faded away due to the internal crisis
(Whither LI?) or if you have decided to dumnp me to remain among likeminded
folks undesturbed by people like me (I read that y
ta Argen,
> el 9 Jan 01, a las 23:35, A.Wosni dijo:
>
> > Dear comrade Nestor,
> > can you make any comment on the following message? Are the facts correct,
> and is
> > there any movement in this respect in Argentine? Who are the authors of the
> > motion? Best r
comrade,
I don't think that I was being unpolite. The comrade in question could either
have answered "What you say about Stalin is wrong" or "Stalin had to do so in
order to save communism" or "I'm not proud". I the first two cases we might have
started a historical discussion. So what's so ba
Comrades,
in an argument with me 'Red Rebel' has sent the following article on
SPD-KPD-Nazis obviously thinking that I belong to the same camp as Paul Foot. I
have added a few remarks in [], but let me first tell you that I can't really
criticize Paul Foot here because I don't know his article
While I don't expect you to learn anything from any Marxist argument I will
still take the pains to answer your diatribes hoping that someone less
religiously minded than you will benifit. My answers in []:
red-rebel schrieb:
> - Original Message -
> From: "A.Wosni&qu
Ben Efrat/Langfur schrieb:
> Challenge/ POB 41199, Jaffa 61411/ TEL: 03-7394174
>
> We are pleased to send you a description of the contents in CHALLENGE
> #65, as well as the editorial.
>
> CHALLENGE is a bimonthly journal which offers investigative reporting
> and in-depth analysis of the Israel
While Martin obviously has a interpretation different from the Trotzkyist one of
what Stalinist means, you say that you are proud to be a Stalinist. May I ask
you if this implies that you are proud to belong to a current which has murdered
probably more communists (many of them devoted Stalinis
le the 3rd pewriod was ultraleftist
sectarianism, the populat front was right wing opportunism making the working
clkass a tool of the allegedly progressive wing of the bourgeoisie. regards A.
Holberg].
> regards,
> James.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "A.Wosn
While it is understandable that you are carried away by your emotions, Cde.
Tait, this is not a sufficient basis for an intervention in a debate on
(Marxist or other) theory. You ought not criticize cde. Owen for what he does
not mention unless it distorts the point he's trying to make.
Dear comrade,
while this may not really add to your arguments I would like to seize the
opportunity to congratulate you on this good piece of yours. There is only one
sentence somwhere inside which I think could have been clearer (though the point
is that it doesn't contrbuze much to your main
fyi.A.Holberg
Socialist Appeal schrieb:
> What's new at In Defence of Marxism
> http://www.marxist.com
>
> Thursday, December 14, 2000
>
>
> Special on Hungary
>
> We are publishing three historical articles on the 1956 Hungarian
> workers' uprising. One of them is an open letter to the r
Martin,
I think that you haven't really understood the problem. Of course the
leadership of any nationalist (not 'national'!) movement (and the Chechen
movement is basically a nationalist one cloaked in a religious disguise) is
an enemy to the historical aims of the international working class
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It's not my job to defend steve Meyer here whom I don't know, but let me make a
general remark: while it is possible that some western imperialist forces
support the nationalist in Chechnya it is far far from being proved that
imperialism as a whole dioes so. On the contrary there are serious h
If what A.B. writes is true the whole Bolshevic politics was a crime sinnce it
caused starvation and bloodshed without any prospect of victory. In fact A.B's
position isanti-Marxist because it is mechanical materialist and it is defeatist
since he says that no matter what policies would have be
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True, after the collaps of the USSR Russia has gone from bad to worse. But what
is so unusual about a system getting into a crisis without necessarily changing
it's fundamental characteristics? There are lots of other countries in the
world, which I'm sure you wouldn't have any problems of rega
IRSL schrieb:
>
> AMAL-E KARGARI (Workers Action) No. 4 - Wednesday 29 November 2000.
>
> Amal-e Kargari is a fortnightly electronic bulletin from Iranian Revolutionary
> Socialists League (IRSL).
>
> The next issue of Amal-e Kargari will be out on Wednesday 13 December.
>
>
> **
I'm very much astonished to read such thing from you, comrade Mine. Owen may be
wrong or not on the question of stateownership in Croatia/Serbia, but at least
he is no defeatist running after one or another bourgeois regime because he
can't think about real power of the workers. This is the di
Khashayar Hooshiar schrieb:
> The Guardian of London November 21,
> 2000
>
> Getting Away With Murder: The US Has Admitted Its Involvement in Latin
> America
>
> by Isabel Hilton
>
> It has been a curious few days for followers of US foreig
It seems to me that Macdonald's point is important, but he overstates it.
Imperialist pressures and money could only do their work the way they did
because there was a large interior basis for it in Serbia. Think about the
difference of what happened in Serbia after the imperialist had for some
eric tron schrieb:
>
>
>
> >From: "Kurt Andreassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Åge Hjalmarsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Eric Tron de Bouchony"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marvin Rabinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Palestine Destroyed Villages (1948)
> >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:21:18 +0100
> >
>
Ben Efrat/Langfur schrieb:
> Challenge/ POB 41199, Jaffa 61411/ TEL: 03-7394174
>
>
>
> We are pleased to send you an article from Challenge # 64: "Intifada from the
> Bottom Up".
>
> You are welcome to re-print or distribute.
>
>
>
> CHALLENGE is a bimonthly journal which offers investigative r
fyi.A.Holberg
>
>
>
> The Militant Vol.64/No.43 November 13, 2000
>
> Workers in Yugoslavia press for their rights
> New regime seeks to demobilize workers, aims to pursue
> integration into world market system (lead article)
>
> [Photo - see caption below] Workers at Yugoslavia's l
Macdonald, let me please add some hard facts to my last message: I quote from an
article published in 'Proletarian Revolution' (New York, Summer 2000). There it
says: "The pro-liberal bourgeois position of the FARC has always been clear."
[don't forget that the PCC, which is behind FARC has alw
Macdonald Stainsby schrieb:
>
> > I support the fight of the FARC and the ELN against US-imperialism
> and the most
> > reactionary wing of the local bourgeoisie, but I wonder what makes
> you think
> > that they genuinely reflect the interests of the Columbian masses.
> 1. there is
> > no proof a
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I support the fight of the FARC and the ELN against US-imperialism and the most
reactionary wing of the local bourgeoisie, but I wonder what makes you think
that they genuinely reflect the interests of the Columbian masses. 1. there is
no proof at all that the majority of the population at this
That's exactly what I wanted to know. Could you please name the groups (or some
of them) who according to your informations have relevant activities inside
Iran?
A.Holberg
Macdonald Stainsby schrieb:
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: A.Wosni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
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Yes, Macdonald, happily enough we can once agree on something, though not on
everything even here. Maybe we did evenb agree on the Palestine issue, didn't
we? But back to Iran: If I don't get you wrong you want to imply that not
to defend politically (different from 'tactical/military support)
IRSL schrieb:
> Amal-e Kargari (Workers Action) No. 2
> AN ELECTRONIC BULLETIN FROM IRSL
>
> A bourgeois or a proletarian revolution? by M. Razi.
> What is the class character of the next Iranian revolution? What is the
> role
> of workers?
> Click on
> http://www.kargar.org/ak2/Revolution.htm
A.Wosni schrieb:
> Comrades,
> a shortwhile ago I forewarded you a joint statement from the 'Revolutionary
> Workers Organization' of Ukraineand the 'Leaguefor the REvolutionary Party'
> of
> the USA on a Oleg Sheyins position on Chechniya. Here is an En
Comrades,
a shortwhile ago I forewarded you a joint statement from the 'Revolutionary
Workers Organization' of Ukraineand the 'Leaguefor the REvolutionary Party' of
the USA on a Oleg Sheyins position on Chechniya. Here is an English translation
of Sheyin's original statement.
A.Holberg
IRSL schrieb:
> Amal-e Kargari no. 1
> AN ELECTRONIC BULLETIN FROM IRSL
>
> As the struggles in Iran become more frequent and bold IRSL launches an
> appeal for international solidarity with the Iranian workers.
> Click on
>
> http://www.kargar.org/amal1/Solidarity.htm
>
> for more details. (Tra
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> Stratfor.com's Global Intelligence Update - 26 October 2000
> _
>
> What in the world is going on?
>
> Also on Stratfor.com
>
> Peru's political crisis intensifies with the unexpected return of
> former spy chief Vladimir
comrades: here is the third parz of an interesting article on Nietzsche (here on
N. and the socialist movement) from the ICFI-website
A.Holberg
LANGUAGES
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One hundred years since the death of Friedrich Nietzsche: a review
> Original message
> Subject: Workers9 tragedy in Vietnam
> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 00 18:01:08 +0100
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> From: Socialist Appeal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "What's New at \"In Defence of Marxism\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
I agree with you Aaron except - maybe - on one point: You call for the
liquidation of Arafat. While I don't object to this in principle I think that it
will not help very much, since Arafat is basically only the representative of
the leading layer of the Palestinian bourgeoisie. Also the decis
> Reply to Oleg Sheyin on Chechnya
>
> Joint statement of the League for the Revolutionary Party (United States)/
> Communist Organization for the Fourth International (LRP/COFI) and the
> Revolutionary Workers Organization (RWO, Ukraine)
>
> On February 2, 2000, a statement by Oleg Sheyin, co-
Khashayar Hooshiar schrieb:
> ---Forwarded Message--
> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:10:52 -0600
> From: IRSL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Iranian Workers Sruggle
>
>
> Iranian Revolutionary Socialists League
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.kargar.org - IRS, PO Box 14, EN6
> 1LE, UK.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> Visit our site for revolutionary socialists analysis on political situation
> of Iran.
> IRSL
>
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>
>
>
>
Commun11.htm
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>
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Commun10.htm
[from: 'Prolatarian Revolution' No.53 (published by the 'League for the
Revolutionary Party (Communist Organization for the Fourth International'
(LRP/COFI-USA)[www.lrp-cofi.org]
A.Holberg
Palestinians Explode "Peace Process"
by Jeff Covington
> The u
Comrades,
what follows are the slogans put foreward by the 'League for the Revolutionary
Party' (Communist Organization for the Fourth International) from the US and an
analytical article on the Palestinan question published some years ago in their
magazine 'Proletarian Revolution', which I thi
Okay, Nestor, as far as the list is concerned I agree with you.
A.Holberg
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky schrieb:
> En relación a Re: an answer (was Re: [L-I] a question),
> el 3 Oct 00, a las 12:23, A.Wosni dijo:
>
> > Nestor, I totally agree with you except onone point, which is th
Obviously there is no remedy for you who insist on misinterpreting what people
tell you. Sorry for you
A.Holberg
Macdonald Stainsby schrieb:
> ==
> SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC ADRESSES THE NATION
> ==
>
> BELGRADE, October 3, 2000 (
Nestor, I totally agree with you except onone point, which is that the rest of
us have to wait for 'the Palestinians' before we can criticize the results of
their misleadership. Of course it is true, that the Palestinians and the
otherArabs of the region are the prime victims but since Israel d
tony shakar schrieb:
> for information about what's going on in palestine,
> please visit this site:
>
> http://www.addameer.org/september2000/index.html
>
>
>
> __
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> Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free!
> http://pho
David Camfield schrieb:
> >From the Alternative Information Center :
>
>
> 2nd October 2000
>
> Communiqué
>
> At a time where by the final status
> negotiations between the Palestinian and
> Isra
Sorry comrade,
but I really don't get what exactly you are objecting to. I did not say (and
mean) that oppression in Kosova and in Dem.Kampuchea was of the same kind and
extent. What I was saying is that there was oppression in both cases and that a
lot of people on the left denied it simply b
Tony Abdo schrieb:
> Anton, I don't want to bore the list with a point by point reply to all
> points discussed. For example, I doubt it's worth our time to talk
> about the Republic of Texas Rightists. But let me respond to two
> items you wrote.
>
> national selfdetermination of the Al
Tony Abdo schrieb:
> A. Holberg wrote-
> selfdetermination we obviously don't have a problem here. Before I start
> to polemicize let me however ask you what you mean by 'orthodoxy' here.>
>
> No, it is wrong to reject in general principle the right of people to
> run their own affairs. But
Just one question:What sense does it make to use a historically based
terminology (here 'fascism) if it hasn't any of the basic traits of the
historical models (especially Mussolini's 'fascism' which gave toi name to it)?
Why not invent something new if it is something basically different?
A. Ho
Comrades,
may I add that other critical assessments of Cliff's theory of bureaucratic
state capitalism do exist (apart of course from the 'orthodox' Trotzkyist ones
which defend the notion of the 'degenerated/deformed workers states). One is:
Walter Daum. The Life & Death of Stalinism - A Resur
This is an important point. We should not support the right of national
selfdetermination because we think that it leads to the founding of states which
in a materealist sense could be called progressive. This is excluded within the
epoch of capitalist decay (imperialism). However, to quote Len
Who says so? Ask the inhabitants of Selma whether they think they are
US-Americans or not! I must admit that I haven't been to Selma burt I was in
quite a lot of places from Memphis down to New Orleans, and I have seen much
more US-flags than even confederated ones at private houses. and I bet
I am not speaking about a certain organization to support either 'militarily' or
even politically. The UCK certainly serves as a fifth column for imperialism at
this point, and therefore can not be supported even tactically. What I was
referring to was the right of the Albanian people (in Kosov
You are certainly right that the revolutionary left had to support Yugoslavia
(or more correctly Serbia) against the imperialist military attack.But this can
not be done by supporting the oppression the Serbian regime exerts towards both
the Serbian working class and the Albanians in Kosovo (an
May I remind you that the Orange Irish came there a a colonialist occupation
force while the Albanians in Kosovo have been there before any Serbs came. Also
the Orange Irish are part of the oppressors whikle the Albanians are the
oppressed. The right of national selfdetermination in the Lenini
Okay, if you don't reject the general right of Albanian Kosiovar
selfdetermination we obviously don't have a problem here. Before I start to
polemicize let me however ask you what you mean by 'orthodoxy' here. If you
think that the reason why I support this right (which does not mean that I
su
Carrol Cox schrieb:
>
>
> "A.Wosni" wrote:
>
> > When you keep
> > on rejecting the right of the Albanians to selfdetermination
>
> This position, always stated as a sort of given, is logically quite
> indefensible. Suppose the white inhabitants of Selm
Though as far as I know at 9am central European time on 9.25th the results of
the ,Y,yugoslav elections are not yet definite yo are certainly right as far as
your conclusions on what to do are concerned except however for one point: the
defense of the right to national sdelfedetermination of al
Comrade Mine,
my answer is in []´.Thank you for the manyvaluable points you made.
A.Holberg
Mine Aysen Doyran schrieb:
> Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky dijo:
>
> > >En relación a [L-I] DHKC response to Holberg and Jones,
> > >el 4 Sep 00, a las 1:01, dhkc dijo:
> >
> > >In their postings, both A. Holbe
r the moment. Again succes in the general
> election and indications of new forces aligning with it could change the
> picture
NN
> >
> >
> >Owen Jones schrieb:
> > > Reply to A.Wosni, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 7/9/2000 8:47:
> > >
>
Dear Nestor,
as we have been polemicizing a bit about this subject in the past let me first
stress that I think that I can understand your emotions. As one who is no friend
of Milosevic and the JUL at all let me ask you whether it has ever come to your
mind that any heroization of a particular
Thank you comrade,
very informative indeed. A.Holberg
Owen Jones schrieb:
> Reply to A.Wosni, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 7/9/2000 8:47:
>
> > It seems to me that it is on this basis that - as far as I read - they
> > [Cliffites] are contemplating to unite whith th
I don't know anything about McReynolds but as to Nader it seems to me that for a
revolurtionary socialist calling for a vote for him means crossing the class
line. Communists might call for a vote for a reformist (and thus in the end
counterrevolutiory) workers party - if the workers movement i
Thanks, but it is not clear to me whether we are thinking about the same thing
when speaking about 'fascism'. I'd like the author of the original message (C.
Cox)to answer as well.
A.Holberg
Yoshie Furuhashi schrieb:
> >As you will know from my message I agree with you in substance. This is why
As you will know from my message I agree with you in substance. This is why I
would like you to explain the 'controversial' point about the special historical
period a bit more. Do you think that 'fascism' will never retutmn in its
historical clothes or do you think that the bourgeoisie will no
Okay,excuse meno more of this stuff A.H.
Macdonald Stainsby schrieb:
>
> > Why do you ask, do you want to send a hit-squad with an icepickle?
>
> Let us not go down this road, PLEASE.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Macdonald
>
>
> ___
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lent ideological and military measures you employ against
critics. That's all.(apart from the question: Who are you? - not serious!)
A.H.
Tabe Kooistra schrieb:
> Who are you [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A.Wosni)?
>
> Tabe
>
> --
> Press Agency Ozgurluk
> In Support of the Peopl
dhkc schrieb:
> In their postings, both A. Holberg and Owen Jones make a number of
> statements. Since it provides an opportunity to expound DHKP-C views, here
> is our response to them.
>
> Both of them deny that Turkey is fascist. There is the MHP (Nationalist
> Movement Party). This party i
Sorry folks,
I posted this wrongly to the LI-list. It was for Johannes privately.
A.H.
A.Wosni schrieb:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > > Lieber Johannes,
> > > ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion
> > > auf der
> > >
Thank you "comrade" for this answer. I think it makes my point perfectly clear
for anyone at least familiar with the legacy of Marxism.
A.H.
Tabe Kooistra schrieb:
> Comrades,
>
> A short response on the remarks of A.Wosni in these
>
> On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 11:15:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > Lieber Johannes,
> > ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion
> > auf der
> > LI-Liste fortzuführen.
>
> Lieber Lothar,
> ich verstehe Deinen beleidigten Unterton eigentlich nicht.
[Ich bin verwundert. Ich habe mich nicht beleidigt
Comrades,
you are deluding yourself if you believe that the Left or even the revolutionaey
left in Turkey is anywhere near to challenge the existing order. It has been
smashed in the past - specially in 1980 - both by the bourgeoisie and its
generals and by its own shortcomings. Those who keep
Lieber Johannes,
ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion auf der
LI-Liste fortzuführen. Nur soviel. Ich stimme Dir hier (wie ja auch sonst
meistens) im allgemeinen zu. Allerdings ist es nicht nur im Interesse der
Bourgeoisie, daß die Immigranten die Mehrheitsspr
Mr. Proyect:
Saying that trying to speak (or at least understand) the language of the country
you live in is a part of progressive consciousness does not mean that everybody
who speaks the language is a 'progressive' or even revolutionary person
[all Africans have black hear but not all people
Tony, where do you get your information from about whom I know and what I do?
Let me tell you that for many years I was particularily engaged in 'solidarity
work' with the Kurdish movement and that I regularily met with immigrant workers
from Kurdistan, Turkey, Iraq. Most of them tried to learn
Come on, you can't mean this question seriously. I never said that the
immigrants shouldn't know their original language (infact even the German
bourgeoisie makes them learn Turkish at school if they wish so. The idea of
course is, that they should learn it so as that they can be sent back one
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky schrieb:
> En relación a Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?,
> el 29 Aug 00, a las 12:51, Tony Abdo dijo:
>
> > Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to
> > immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not
> > occurred to yo
John Catalinotto schrieb:
>
> Ownen Jones wrote
> -
> People who have gone to Cuba who have talked to Cubans
>
> - and this is very hard since it is illegal for a
> Cuban to talk to a foreigner -
> will pledge their support for the Revolution and even
> list its various achievements, b
rieb:
> En relación a [L-I] Cuba,
> el 28 Aug 00, a las 10:30, A.Wosni dijo:
>
> > on Cuba:
> >
> > 1. while it is important to know how much popular backing the
> > Castro-regime still has, this in itself does not prove any
> > 'socislist
on Cuba:
1. while it is important to know how much popular backing the Castro-regime
still has, this in itself does not prove any 'socislist'and/or 'workers state'
character of the regime, of course. That nobody gets me wrong: I don't equate
Hitler to Castro, but for many years eventual touris
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