[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: 6c lutes - Fingerboard layout

2014-04-29 Thread James Jackson
I think, personally, I prefer the look of the fingerboard extending on top of the neck block, as it's a little different visually and makes for a change. (Go toA [1]http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/index.htm and scroll down to or search the page forA 6-course Renaissance lute after L

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706

2014-02-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
SAorry - following Wayne's advice I ought to have sent this in plain text... Here it is  M. - Forwarded Message - >From: Martyn Hodgson >To: Ralf Bachmann ; Christopher Wilke >; Lute Dmth >Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014, 8:15 >Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Edlinger Lutes

2013-10-19 Thread Jon Murphy
Dear Benjamin, and all, My lute building career ceased before I finished my first real one (still have the form and the body staves I'd made), so what I say may be irrelevant. My interest moved to the Celtic harp, but I did make - and still play - the "flat back" lute from Musikits (13 string,

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Casein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Ed Margerum
Apparently I didn't send the USDA monograph on Alkaline Casein glue. You can access it at http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplrn/fplrn158.pdf Casein is widely used in the manufacture of coated paper as the glue that holds the pigment in the coating. Alkaline is preferred in the paper industry a

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread William Samson
Thanks for all the interesting replies! I came across another interesting use of glue the other day - I bought a very cheap uke (which actually worked pretty well) and decided to take it apart. It was held together with hot-melt glue of the type used in glue guns. It came apart re

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Casein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Ed Margerum
Note that the formula William Samson gives is for acid casein while the formula given by the USDA monograph is for alkaline casein. Alkaline casein is preferred in some uses such as paper coating where acid can contribute to discoloration and deterioration. Edward Margerum At 09:33 +

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Margaret beat me to it with the detailed quotes from Cennini and Thompson but while I was looking at the Cennini I noticed that his recipe for fish glue says that it was used for lute mending, It sounds from the word "leaf" as if it is isinglass: HOW FISH

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Casein glue was certainly used extensively in the middle ages by painters to join the boards of their painting panels before preparing with gesso etc. In fact quite a common recorded item in the invoices they submitted to their commissioning patrons was for the cheese needed to make

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Margaret Munck
Artists use(d) casein glue to glue up panels for painting. The advantage is that it is waterproof so isn't softened by the gessoing process. Casein Glue for Joining If it is necessary to glue up a panel, the best thing to use is the cheese and lime glue which Cennino descri

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, Many years ago, before I knew better, I made my first instrument with a propriety wood glue 'Cascamite' which I thought at the time was a cassein type adhesive (the similarity in the name). And it was certainly strong, gap filling (benefit for a novice!) and took plenty

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Peg Sharpener Source

2013-03-04 Thread sterling price
-BUILDER] Re: Peg Sharpener Source Dear Sterling, I use a similar method to Martyn's, only instead of making my own blades I have found that the replacement blades by StewMac work well. I've made maybe a half-dozen wooden taper jigs in this way for different tapers/sizes of

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Peg Sharpener Source

2013-03-04 Thread Ted Woodford
Sterling, The Stew-Mac device can be made to work if you're persistent. Making your own is probably best, assuming you have a reamer. Are you trying to fit a whole new set of pegs, or just touching up some that have gone slightly oval? A little chalk and a deft touch with a file might see you

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Peg Sharpener Source

2013-03-04 Thread Andrew Hartig
Dear Sterling, I use a similar method to Martyn's, only instead of making my own blades I have found that the replacement blades by StewMac work well. I've made maybe a half-dozen wooden taper jigs in this way for different tapers/sizes of reamers. I can send you photos, if you'd like. AMH --

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Peg Sharpener Source

2013-03-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Sterling, I found it best to make my own to fit my own reamers. There are various ways to do this - mine is: Drill and ream a tapered hole in a piece of suitable wood (I used some mahogany); plane down to get a parallel sided slit along the length of the taper, cut and gr

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-12 Thread Martyn Hodgson
ntioned earlier, I'd personally not advocate their use. MH --- On Tue, 12/2/13, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: From: theoj89...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 12 February, 2013, 14:5

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-12 Thread theoj89294
Feb 8, 2013 4:18 am Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes Dear David, I well take your point about Hellwig's observations. But, it's not just my observations of the Stautinger. More significantly here's what Mace has to say (incidentally, he

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
iginally instructed by a London repairer (he says if you don't want to repair it yourself there's no choice but to pack it off to London). regardsa Martyn --- On Thu, 7/2/13, David Van Edwards wrote: From: David Van Edwards Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Furth

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread David Van Edwards
liam Samson >Cc: Martyn Hodgson ; Lute builder Dmth > >Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 16:39 >Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes >Yes, as far as I have observed no lutes were made using support blocks, >however obvious it

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread William Samson
Yikes! How do professional lute makers manage to sleep at night, with their products ready to go 'pop' at any moment? Bill From: David Van Edwards To: William Samson Cc: Martyn Hodgson ; Lute builder Dmth Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 16:39 Subject: [LU

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread David Van Edwards
Yes, as far as I have observed no lutes were made using support blocks, however obvious it would be to give strength. In fact one of the commonest problems with amateur made instruments is the tendency to make things too strong. It is a maxim to bear in mind that lutes sound best when right on

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread William Samson
Dear Martyn, What you say makes perfect sense. I will continue to follow the example set by the old ones. Kind regards, Bill From: Martyn Hodgson To: Lute builder Dmth Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 14:46 Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Further to: Bar end supports on lut

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Soundboard bar supports

2013-02-06 Thread James Jackson
Hi Bill, I know of at least one very well known and respectable luthier who does indeed glue the blocks on and doesn't see the sense in them not being glued. My hire lute was recently under repair for two loose bars, while it was under repair, the luthier, whom the Lute Society

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-02-01 Thread Julien Stryjak
Thank you both of you, Paul and David, for the pictures of the bridge ! Best wishes, julien Le 01.02.2013 11:55, David Van Edwards a écrit : Dear Paul, but of course they came through privately to our two emails because we were CC'd! Best wishes and thank you very much, David A

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-02-01 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Paul, but of course they came through privately to our two emails because we were CC'd! Best wishes and thank you very much, David At 10:38 + 1/2/13, Paul Rans wrote: Dear Julien and David, Here's a pdf scan of three not very good and now discoloured photo

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-02-01 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Paul, That's kind, but alas all attachments get stripped out by the list software to prevent dangers of various sorts of viruses etc. Best put up on a website like Flikr or your own or Dropbox with open access. Best wishes, David. At 10:38 + 1/2/13, Paul Rans wrote: Dear Julien

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-02-01 Thread Paul Rans
Dear Julien and David, Here's a pdf scan of three not very good and now discoloured photographs I took at the time I made the drawing of M255 in 1983. Maybe they can help a little bit. Best wishes, Paul www.paulrans.com On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:35, David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear Julien, > > The

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Sellas theorbo bridge

2013-01-31 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Julien, The best I have is now up on the website at http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/bridge255.jpg The treble side is clearly a bit damaged but the bass end shows it to be a sort of arrow head on the end of standard curly arm. A bit like the end of the Devil's tail? Best wishes, David

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-03 Thread KathGuitar
You didn't make a fool of yourself; we all can appreciate any new info we haven't seen and it showed what a great heart you have. Happy New Year! Jim Kath On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:09 PM, James Jackson wrote: > My huge apologies to Paul and everyone else - > > I really embarrassed myself there

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-03 Thread Paul Daverman
7;s what I'm in the mood for. Thanks again, Paul -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of James Jackson Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:09 PM To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-02 Thread James Jackson
My huge apologies to Paul and everyone else - I really embarrassed myself there - Paul emailed me personally and my last reply to Paul was intended to be emailed directly and my stupid email set up automatically CC'ed it to everyone on the list. So, to Paul, I really do apologise a

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-02 Thread James Jackson
Hi Paul, No need to be embarrassed. We all started not playing the lute remember! Never be afraid to ask questions here, you'll find everyone here more than happy to answer your questions, no matter whatever they are. You're correct in your assumption, the renaissance lute

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-02 Thread James Jackson
Hi Paul, I'll be honest, a scale of 65cm would be much more suited for a pitch of F at AD0 - I think you'll find with a lute that is a little larger, like this one, will sound so much better at that pitch. The whole instrument will resonate better if you string it at the pitch it wa

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-02 Thread Charles Browne
it is not impossible. I have a Stephen Barber archlute and the SL for the first pegbox is 650mm top string tuned as g' with a'=440. I use an old Nylgut .38 and that has not broken. I must be lucky! It may be relevant that the top course runs over the nut and to the first peg outside the pegbox.

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-01 Thread Jon Murphy
I built a 63+ cm. length lute some years back, actually a "bastard" lute in that it was Music Maker's "flatback". I had the breakage problem with the chanterelle also - I was pitching to A440 and tuning to G. Musical nylon would last a few days, nylgut would break almost immediately. I went to

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-01 Thread sterling price
lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute Hi Paul There is a useful explanation of the breaking limits for strings on the Aquila website: [1]http://www.aquilacorde.com/index.php?option=com_content&am

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-01 Thread Din Ghani
y 2013 20:42 To: Paul Daverman; lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute Hi Paul, I have a 10c lute of 66cm scale. The highest I can take it with a nylon chanterelle (the strongest material) is f# at A440 - and that's really pushing it. I no

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Pitch center on a 10 cs. lute

2013-01-01 Thread William Samson
Hi Paul, I have a 10c lute of 66cm scale. The highest I can take it with a nylon chanterelle (the strongest material) is f# at A440 - and that's really pushing it. I normally keep it at f. Even at f, with a nylgut chanterelle, it tends to break quite frequently, which is why I us

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: GAL Quarterlies

2012-12-28 Thread Steve Ramey
Hi Folks, They're spoken for. Thanks for your interest. Bests wishes for a happy and prosperous new year. Steve -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
m what was admired at the time' since the weight of evidence does indicate much. And this is the history of such research - incremental steps. regards Martyn --- On Wed, 28/11/12, William Samson wrote: From: William Samson Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-28 Thread William Samson
I don't suppose we'll ever know for sure, unless somebody comes across a well-preserved, accurately dated stash of old lute strings - or perhaps they have all decayed/rotted? Still, interesting views are being expressed. I suppose what we should all be doing is trying to produce as

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Hello everyone

2012-11-04 Thread Jon Murphy
I'm not good at choosing the wood as the only lute I've built (a flat back) was from a kit - but I will second, and doubly second, Richard's comments on the weight of the neck and peg box as to the balance of the instrument. The hand position on the lute is different than that on the guitar as

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Hello everyone

2012-10-30 Thread Richard Lees
Hello Joshua! Congratulations on your first lute A personal opinion regarding the use of Oak. firstly, and I think most important is the physical balance of the instrument... The neck and pegbox both need to be light! the weight of the instrument needs to be felt as being in the bowl as it

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-18 Thread sterling price
the work on this lute. Any ideas? --Sterling From: Richard Lees To: Dana Emery ; "lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge As usual, Dana Emery strikes again ! Excellent post ... exce

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-18 Thread Richard Lees
As usual, Dana Emery strikes again ! Excellent post ... excellent post... Sonically too, Ebony is not the most musical of woods and while I have retopped a beautiful archlute for a player out here which had ebony staves, one could lightly sense the enharmonic character of ebony in its

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-17 Thread Richard Lees
Hello Chris and Sterling et allus! I have been off this thread as I have been out of town for the last several days... To answer Chris's question, NO , one does not abrade/plane the bridge off the soundboard at all. The problem we face is that wood is an excellent thermal sink, and as much

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-16 Thread Jon Murphy
d on what I do. --Sterling From: Richard Lees To: sterling price; "lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:03 AM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge Hello Sterling!! Its been a long time posting for me, I have been pretty bus

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-15 Thread Chris Newman
Question from a newbie with zero experience. Could one laboriously plane/ abrade the bridge off the soundboard? Chris On 16 Jun 2012, at 03:51, Sterling wrote: > Hi- from what you all are saying about this, it seems that it is probably > beyond my abilities to attempt this. I would certainly

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-15 Thread Sterling
Hi- from what you all are saying about this, it seems that it is probably beyond my abilities to attempt this. I would certainly learn a lot from the process but I really don't want to ruin this lute. I have already done a lot to it like converting it from twelve to fourteen courses(with octaves

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-15 Thread Ted Woodford
I'll add my two cents, though Richard provided a wealth of ideas. Planing down the existing bridge is an excellent tactic! I find aliphatic glues (white or yellow) actually easier to remove than hide glue. They often come loose without the addition of water. I put a several layers of aluminum fo

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-15 Thread William Samson
I'll start the ball rolling - The critical thing is what kind of glue was used to attach it to the soundboard. If it's synthetic, there's no easy way to get it off. If hide glue was used, alcohol can dissolve it, though you need to be careful because it can also ruin the finish of

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-15 Thread sterling price
; Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:03 AM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge Hello Sterling!! Its been a long time posting for me, I have been pretty busy with work... I offer what I have done in the past. Many of the EXCELLENT builders who post here will no doubt have

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Archlute Bridge

2012-06-14 Thread Richard Lees
Hello Sterling!! Its been a long time posting for me, I have been pretty busy with work... I offer what I have done in the past. Many of the EXCELLENT builders who post here will no doubt have wonderful input to give you , no doubt.. For my part, having replaced a number of bridges in restorat

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: calloped Ribs

2012-06-03 Thread Louis Aull
Paul, The originals used what they had, linen or paper. The material has to absorb the glue and should shrink while drying. That leaves synthetics out. The silk I use is for larger model airplanes and I get it from [1]http://www.darehobby.com/, the #4 is heavy enough. This silk is

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped Ribs

2012-05-20 Thread theoj89294
> To: lute-builder <lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Fri, May 18, 2012 3:44 pm Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped Ribs --=_NextPart_001_000B_01CD350C.F4FEEE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, A lut

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped ribs

2012-05-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, It all depends what you mean by scalloped: ranging from a smooth curved section (like the Chambure 'vihuela') through to most curve at the rib extremities - as more commonly found on old instruments and also depicted in some iconography. I presume you're asking about th

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped Ribs

2012-05-18 Thread Tim@Buckeye
That's really interesting, Louis. Tim Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 3:43 PM, "Louis Aull" wrote: > > --=_NextPart_001_000B_01CD350C.F4FEEE80 > Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Bill, > > > > A lute rib tapers at each end,

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped Ribs

2012-05-18 Thread willsamson
ect: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped Ribs --=_NextPart_001_000B_01CD350C.F4FEEE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, A lute rib tapers at each end, which means the outer fibers that would have made it down to the fastening point on

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped Ribs

2012-05-18 Thread Louis Aull
--=_NextPart_001_000B_01CD350C.F4FEEE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, A lute rib tapers at each end, which means the outer fibers that would have made it down to the fastening point on each end are cut. As a result, there is no c

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-18 Thread Jon Murphy
Spruce and cedar, sycamore and (something else I've forgotten). The taxonomy of trees is confused by the local names. The English have different local names than Americans (that is the sycamore, and my forgotten English name). The pear I turn for hollow forms is not the pear of Europe - it is c

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-18 Thread William Samson
ark Day Cc: James Jackson ; "lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012, 2:36 Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce Yes, two different trees. Red cedar will be much softer. My music teacher (no longer with us, unfortunately) had a lute built by Larr

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-17 Thread Tim Motz
Yes, two different trees. Red cedar will be much softer. My music teacher (no longer with us, unfortunately) had a lute built by Larry Lundy in the 70s that had a red cedar top and I loved the sound of it. I have a red cedar soundboard that I'm planning to put on a lute to try and duplicate that

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Day
Red cedar and red Spruce are two different trees. Both are native to North America. red spruce (picea rubens) is also known by Adirondack spruce and comes from, you guessed it; the Eastern part of North America along the Adirondack range. Western red cedar (Thuja plicata) is native t

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-17 Thread James Jackson
Shouldn't red spruce be synonymous with red cedar? I've heard of cedar topped lutes - from what I understand (And I really don't understand much yet!), cedar can work well on smaller lutes, A, B, C and D ren lutes. Unless I'm getting this wrong and red spruce IS different? My E

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-17 Thread Tim@Buckeye
James, To further confuse the issue, Northern Tonewoods offers Red Spruce soundboards. http://www.hvgb.net/~tonewood/acousticguitar.htm I'm in the middle of building an A lute with one of their soundboards. Tap tone is very clear and bright. I don't know how the lute will sound, but it should

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-17 Thread James Jackson
Thanks for your advice, I've decided to go for Englemann. I'm going for grade 7 (Second down from highest on their grade) which the timber supplier describes as "Near perfection - very slow growth, the widest growth ring approximately 2mm within the template area. Very limited ac

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Englemann Spruce

2012-05-16 Thread Louis Aull
James, The high grade Englemann I have used produces a very warm full sound. It is also by far the best looking wood. It has to be about 20% thicker than Alpine for the same strength. I have not worked with Alpine because the few pieces I have purchased (top grade) were of poor

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread Alexandros Tzimeros
Hi Yaron, I believe (and hope) you are right! I will try it. I'm always interested in the final result and not so much in the woods pedigree! Thanks, Alex - Original Message - From: [1]Yaron Naor To: [2]Alexandros Tzimeros Cc: [3]lute-buil...@cs.da

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread Alexandros Tzimeros
t; To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I think there may be a correlation between the working properties of a given timber and the perceived sonic possibilities it has to offer. When I think of European beech, the interesting shimmer of a freshly

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread William Samson
veral times as much. Bill From: Ted Woodford To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 14 May 2012, 18:41 Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I think there may be a correlation between the working properties of a given timber and the perceived sonic possibilities i

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread Ted Woodford
the difference between Brazilian rosewood and mahogany. The playing experience involves more than the sum of an instrument's parts. The use of - Original Message - From: "James Jackson" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:19 AM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread James Jackson
uot; <[4]sarab...@otenet.gr>; <[5]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I just bought some beech for making pegboxes from a local sawyer and I have to say I also love it. I bet it would pe

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread Alexandros Tzimeros
aor" Cc: "Alexandros Tzimeros" ; Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession I just bought some beech for making pegboxes from a local sawyer and I have to say I also love it. I bet it would perform like maple but I think it is nicer to wo

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread Mark Day
I just bought some beech for making pegboxes from a local sawyer and I have to say I also love it. I bet it would perform like maple but I think it is nicer to work with. The only problem is availability. It isn't on the US lumber market anymore since it was pretty well logged out a

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Confession

2012-05-14 Thread Yaron Naor
Congatulations! Maybe you will discover that the beech wood is better for bowl making and you will get a better sound... Take care Yaron Naor On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Alexandros Tzimeros <[1]sarab...@otenet.gr> wrote: A Hi dear all, A After discussing about

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-10 Thread Yaron Naor
Dear Alex, During my work I had 8 different pear colors from almost white to peach color... There is no ONE pear wood, it diverse very much Easy to glue and bend, enjoy the work [1]https://picasaweb.google.com/116712080015313073524 Yaron Naor On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:53 PM,

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-10 Thread Alexandros Tzimeros
Thank you all for your answers. It seems that most makers don't use pear wood just for aesthetic reasons. I love its colour though and think that I'll go to get a block tomorrow. I'm really curious for the result. Alex To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmou

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Alfred Eberle
Steve Ramey To: Alfred Eberle ; "lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 1:38:55 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood? As you progress, photos, photos, photos, please.

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Ramey
As you progress, photos, photos, photos, please. TIA Steve __ From: Alfred Eberle To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
Turkish luthiers prefers to use pearwood at the body of long necked lutes like cura is the smallest and divan baglama is the biggest. But they dont bend it but carve out the intenal and uses as solid body. Umut -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Alfred Eberle
o.  I believe they have at least one more slab near the dimensions of the one I bought. Alfred in the Bay Area   - Original Message From: David Brown To: Timothy Motz Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 6:21:57 AM Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pe

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread David Brown
and respectfully, David David B. Brown, Luthier -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Timothy Motz Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:27 AM To: Alexandros Tzimeros Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: W

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-08 Thread Timothy Motz
Alex, Pear is both denser and harder than hard maple, so it would make a fine bowl for a lute. I don't know how easily it bends, but since Mustafa says it's used for ouds, it must bend decently. The one time I used it was for a flat-backed instrument, so I didn't have to bend it. It took fore

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-07 Thread William Samson
k you for bringing this to our attention. Bill From: Mustafa Umut Sarac To: Alexandros Tzimeros Cc: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 7:16 Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood? Pearwood is used by Turkish Luthiers for the body of Turki

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: What about pear wood?

2012-05-07 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
Pearwood is used by Turkish Luthiers for the body of Turkish lutes for more than hundreds of years . Umut -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Why no mahogany?

2012-05-03 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
There are 48 different mahagony. Gibson and Rickenbacker uses Khaya. Pores might not effect the adhesion reverse add more resistance. Most important thing is the sound , you cant get short lots of harmonics from it. It amps the strings bass spectrum. Its a true wood for non resonati

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Why no mahogany?

2012-05-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, Never used the material for ribs and the like, but a few random thoughts come to mind: There are, of course, many types of mahogany and not all are classed as 'true' mahogany so we must be careful about over-generalising but having said that, compared to maple/sycamo

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Why no mahogany?

2012-05-03 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
Mahagony widely used at Gibson Les Paul electric guitars and Rickenbacker basses. All these instruments are deepest godly sounding instruments with lots of sustain. I dont think there is a room for this wood at lute construction. And it is very heavy and color is hot with deep pores

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Why no mahogany?

2012-05-03 Thread Jon Murphy
Bill and Ted, I think the nature of mahogany would be counter to the needs of the lute ribs. I've had mahogany "bodied" guitars, but the form of the lute and the sound production is different. As a "joining piece" between the ribs it should work, but the resonating body of the lute is differen

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Why no mahogany?

2012-05-02 Thread Woodford
Bill, Mahogany as an export timber arrived on the scene fairly late in terms of lute construction. Very little of it made its way into European cabinetry shops until the 18th century. Most of the mahogany growing at that time was in areas controlled by Spain and in 1622 Cuban mahogany was dec

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute Neck has risen

2012-03-23 Thread Arthur Robb
Hello, Now this may be an obvious thing to say, but Anthony, please check very carefully that the neck to body join has not separated. All the best, Art > Anthony, > > That is a lot of movement. If the neck itself has not warped, then the ribs > below the attachment to the neck block have. Th

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute Neck has risen

2012-03-23 Thread Louis Aull
Anthony, That is a lot of movement. If the neck itself has not warped, then the ribs below the attachment to the neck block have. The dome shape of the ribs will not distort unless the ribs are very thin (1.2 mm for instance). Look carefully at the shape of the ribs just behind the neck block. If

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay

2011-12-02 Thread Paul Daverman
Thank you much for the suggestions! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Hartig Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:12 PM To: lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay I don't

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay

2011-12-01 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Paul, As it happens you can see stages in the process in the lute I'm building at the moment. https://picasaweb.google.com/113751643198470818818/WhatIAmBuildingAtTheMoment?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite I do work the inlay flat and then bend it. The full instructions on how to bend veneer fo

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay

2011-12-01 Thread Andrew Hartig
I don't know if anyone has responded privately yet, but I just noticed that David Van Edwards has a new feature on his site where one can see the current project he is working on, which just so happens to include images of him doing a neck veneer inlay: [1]https://picasaweb.google.co

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: 10 to 11c

2011-09-28 Thread William Samson
Hi Julien, I should start by saying this is just hearsay and speculation. The times of transitional tuning seem to have been quite chaotic and although almost all of Vieux Gaultier's output was set down many years after his death in Dm tuning, it would be surprising if he was using

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: bandora tunes

2011-06-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
It's not so much that he's 'wrong' but that the evidence can be interpreted in other ways.. rgds M --- On Sat, 18/6/11, Nancy Carlin wrote: From: Nancy Carlin Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: bandora tunes To: "Martyn Hodgson" , "Stuart Walsh" Cc: "Lute

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: bandora tunes

2011-06-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
e and Barley pieces and Dd.2.11 but couldn't spot it there, but maybe the skimming was too light. M --- On Tue, 14/6/11, Stuart Walsh wrote: From: Stuart Walsh Subject: [LUTE-BUILDER] Re: bandora tunes To: "Nancy Carlin" Cc: "Martyn Hodgson"

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: bandora tunes

2011-06-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you for this Nancy. Unfortunately I can't find the paper to which you refer on your site - it's probably staring me in the face, so please point me in the right direction. As an aside, without seeing your paper, I'm not at all convinced of the existence of small Bandoras (ie

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: bandora tunes

2011-06-14 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 14/06/2011 20:08, Nancy Carlin wrote: I think it is now common knowledge among the few people who build orpharions and bandoras that the bridges should be tapered higher off the belly on the bass side. Here is a link to some details on the Palmer orphario (the 9 course in

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: bandora tunes

2011-06-14 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Martyn et al, Just in answer to your surmise, this is Barley's instruction for the Orpharion. In his instruction for the Bandora he just says that the same considerations apply as for the Orpharion. TO THE READER COURTEOUS AND FRIENDLY READER, as thou hast seene before what

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