On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
To make things thing even more complicated I agree the need of a name
with a sounding image, which will help mod_perl to grow into corporate
computing (our future jobs).
Recently I had a discussion with a Java programmer, who said that
:: I actually like the logo without the underscore. I don't
:: think an underscore is very collaborative with art. The _
:: has always been irritating me a little.
I don't see any reason why the underscore can't be incorporated
discreetly. I had an idea that we could have the dp together
:: I agree here. But then, TMTOWTDI is a big part of Perl
:: culture. I suggest a democratic solution: present the logo
:: and the favorite logo-based button as the logo and button.
:: Then, also present a page which has some alternate buttons
:: on it, including the two winners of the
:: A thought - what about putting the suggestion of an
:: underscore by putting bars underneath the d and p of
:: modperl? Just a suggestion to Michael as presumably he is
:: revisting the design for the buttons.
I had a similar idea - a single bar under the dp yet keeping the dp
together.
Could you make it flaming? ;)
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From: Matt Sergeant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:31 PM
To: Jonathan M. Hollin
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] The New mod_perl logo - results now in...
OK, here's my
Mark Fowler wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
However, I request your comments on this idea: should we have just one
button (helping to develop a distinct identity for mod_perl) or should
we have several (for choice)? It's up to you...
I think that we need
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Steve Piner wrote:
I definitely agree with this. I'd like to see some more colour
variations (maybe just background colours even) to allow it to fit into
a site's design better.
Jonathan asked whether we should have just one button, or several. I'd
say just one theme,
DRI really like the new logo, and in fact I voted for it. However, I just
DRrealized that the logo uses modperl, whereas mod_perl's name is
DRmod_perl, with the underscore. Does anyone else see this as a problem?
BMIt's a graphic design so I don't see that it needs to follow the Apache
BMmodule
Application R* Language'?
On and on just some funny thoughts :-)
BR Christian
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Date: Freitag, 15. März 2002, 11:03:59
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] The New mod_perl logo - results now in...
Fellow mod_perl hackers...
It is with great pleasure that I am able to introduce
On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 08:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently I had a discussion with a Java programmer, who said that
mod_perl is a try to save the obsolete language Perl. His argument was
that only Java programmers are searched, especially here in Europe.
Interesting. I have a friend
Fellow mod_perl hackers...
It is with great pleasure that I am able to introduce you to the new
mod_perl logo. So, without further ado, point your web-browsers at:
http://beverley2.digital-word.com/mod_perl/winner/
The winning logo, designed by Michael Demers (mike [at] inteo.com), won
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
However, I request your comments on this idea: should we have just one
button (helping to develop a distinct identity for mod_perl) or should
we have several (for choice)? It's up to you...
I think that we need one theme of buttons, to ensure
In article 001401c1cc08$bab4f2b0$b1a1a8c2@orpheus,
Jonathan M. Hollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I request your comments on this idea...
Was there a button in the same style as the winning logo? Could Michael
be persuaded to create one if not?
I'm inclined to think a new logo is
:: I think that we need one theme of buttons, to ensure
:: consistent branding. As per my comments when I voted
:: stated, I'd love to see some buttons/logos based on the
:: winning logo. In particular:
::
:: - A square button that's just made up of the square cog logo
:: - A square
:: Was there a button in the same style as the winning logo?
:: Could Michael be persuaded to create one if not?
::
:: I'm inclined to think a new logo is little use if you're not
:: consistent with the imagery it uses. Tying a button design
:: into that imagery is, IMO, essential.
I will
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
:: Is the logo available in a vector file format so that we can
:: easily make
:: scaled copies of it? Or are we restricted to the pixel banners that
:: currently exist?
All I have is non-vector JPEG. Again, I'll ask Michael.
If we can find
Hi
( 02.03.15 10:03 - ) Jonathan M. Hollin:
However, I request your comments on this idea: should we have just one
button (helping to develop a distinct identity for mod_perl) or should
we have several (for choice)? It's up to you...
TMTOWTDI, of course- multiple buttons!
--
\js
:: Was there a button in the same style as the winning logo?
:: Could Michael be persuaded to create one if not?
::
:: I'm inclined to think a new logo is little use if you're not
:: consistent with the imagery it uses. Tying a button design
:: into that imagery is, IMO, essential.
Michael
I think buttons based on the new logo are the way to go.
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From: Jonathan M. Hollin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:17 AM
To: 'Andrew Green'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] The New mod_perl logo - results now
All,
I really like the new logo, and in fact I voted for it. However, I just
realized that the logo uses modperl, whereas mod_perl's name is
mod_perl, with the underscore. Does anyone else see this as a problem?
I've always been annoyed at how often the spelling gets modified, and it
seems that
David Ranney wrote:
All,
I really like the new logo, and in fact I voted for it. However, I just
realized that the logo uses modperl, whereas mod_perl's name is
mod_perl, with the underscore. Does anyone else see this as a problem?
I've always been annoyed at how often the spelling gets
Hi there,
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, David Ranney wrote:
I really like the new logo, and in fact I voted for it. However, I just
realized that the logo uses modperl, whereas mod_perl's name is
mod_perl, with the underscore. Does anyone else see this as a problem?
I've always been annoyed at how
At 10:46 PM 3/15/2002, John Saylor wrote:
Hi
( 02.03.15 10:03 - ) Jonathan M. Hollin:
However, I request your comments on this idea: should we have just one
button (helping to develop a distinct identity for mod_perl) or should
we have several (for choice)? It's up to you...
:: I really like the new logo, and in fact I voted for it.
:: However, I just realized that the logo uses modperl,
:: whereas mod_perl's name is mod_perl, with the underscore.
:: Does anyone else see this as a problem? I've always been
:: annoyed at how often the spelling gets modified, and
Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
Fellow mod_perl hackers...
It is with great pleasure that I am able to introduce you to the new
mod_perl logo. So, without further ado, point your web-browsers at:
http://beverley2.digital-word.com/mod_perl/winner/
The winning logo, designed by Michael
The underscore really belongs to the C/C++ language and isn't really
so much of a standard in Perl.
Not true. From perlstyle:
While short identifiers like $gotit are probably ok,
use underscores to separate words. It is generally
easier to read $var_names_like_this than
At 04:33 PM 03/15/02 -0500, Georgy Vladimirov wrote:
I actually like the logo without the underscore. I don't think an
underscore is very collaborative with art. The _ has always been
irritating me a little.
I know that there is history and nostalgia involved here but dropping
an underscore at
Hello,
WKA single button that matches the logo will be simplier, and more
WKdistinct. Too many choices is making it harder for the newcomers.
I agree here. But then, TMTOWTDI is a big part of Perl culture. I suggest
a democratic solution: present the logo and the favorite logo-based button
as
Georgy Vladimirov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I actually like the logo without the underscore. I don't think an
underscore is very collaborative with art. The _ has always been
irritating me a little.
I know that there is history and nostalgia involved here but dropping
an underscore at least
I apologise in advance to those of you who receive multiple copies of
this email due to my cross-posting.
Due to the instability of its previous host, I have moved the mod_perl
logo entries to my new Linux box (my apologies to those who were unable
to review the images previously due to the
Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
I apologise in advance to those of you who receive multiple copies of
this email due to my cross-posting.
Due to the instability of its previous host, I have moved the mod_perl
logo entries to my new Linux box (my apologies to those who were unable
to review the
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:35:18 -, Jonathan M. Hollin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I am still soliciting entries for the new logo (send to
mod_perl[at]digital-word.com)... so please keep those images coming.
What about entering the old logo as a competitor as well? I think I'd
vote for it.
Andreas J. Koenig wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:35:18 -, Jonathan M. Hollin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I am still soliciting entries for the new logo (send to
mod_perl[at]digital-word.com)... so please keep those images coming.
What about entering the old logo as a competitor as
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:51:23 +0800, Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Andreas, all the logos from the first contest are in the competition.
blush Sorry I missed it. Thanks for bearing with me.
--
andreas
A growing number of potential candidates for the new mod_perl logo is
available at:
http://wypug.digital-word.com/mod_perl/
Jonathan M. Hollin - WYPUG Co-ordinator
West Yorkshire Perl User Group
http://wypug.pm.org/
mod_perl is a lousy name.
It is causing me a problem. My potential customers have heard of Perl and
Apache, MySql and Postgres, but they dot like the idea of perl modifying the
Apache processing. It strikes them as tinkering round with the internals and
liable to cause problems 'when we
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Paul Cotter wrote:
Give it some other marketting name, even if it keeps its
original name in places like this.
didn't you people read perrin's message?
do you think this is the first time this topic has been
discussed? do you think it's gonna change doug's mind /this/
Jay Lawrence wrote:
I looked at some of the candidates at
http://wypug.digital-word.com/mod_perl/
must confess I am partial to
http://wypug.digital-word.com/mod_perl/logos/louise_bramald_1.jpg so far
Thinking camels for Perl and feathers for Apache putting them together all I
could see is
How could another name look nice on your resume if they don't know what it is ?
Why don't you just nickname mod_perl as something else and then put THAT
name on your resume if you are so concerned about naming.
At 09:36 PM 1/30/2002, Paul Cotter wrote:
mod_perl is a lousy name.
It is
At 04:50 PM 1/31/2002, brian moseley wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Paul Cotter wrote:
Give it some other marketting name, even if it keeps its
original name in places like this.
didn't you people read perrin's message?
do you think this is the first time this topic has been
discussed? do
Reminder: A growing collection of new mod_perl logo candidates is
available at: http://wypug.digital-word.com/mod_perl/
Jonathan M. Hollin - WYPUG Co-ordinator
West Yorkshire Perl User Group
http://wypug.pm.org/
position).
Cheers
Ron Savage
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://savage.net.au/index.html
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From: Paul Cotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: New mod_perl Logo
mod_perl is a lousy name.
It is causing me
Ged Haywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi there,
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Chris Thompson wrote:
mod_perl is a lousy name.
[snip]
mod_perl needs a name. Something marketable, something catchy.
How about BigFoot?
Sasquatch.
--
Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire
Hi all,
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about BigFoot?
Probably not the best for a server application. Might make one think of the
footprint involved ...
That was one of my points. :) There will be fame although possibly
not fortune for the first person to publish
Hi Ron,
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Ron Savage wrote:
In a message dated 30-Jan-02 12:50:50 AM GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about BigFoot?
All these American-style names are verging on the racist.
This is world-wide code, not s/$Expletive// American-wide code.
But I'm
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Subject: New mod_perl name was [Re: New mod_perl Logo]
how about Everest? Niagara? Multiphase? Slipstream?
DigiServer? Pointillion? Web Mammoth? SharpWeb?
Web Enterprise? EnterWeb?
Ged Haywood wrote:
Hi
: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: New mod_perl Logo
In a message dated 30-Jan-02 12:50:50 AM GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about BigFoot?
Probably not the best for a server application. Might make one
think of the footprint involved ... and isn't
The last time I looked the Yeti is Himalayan and Nessie is from
Scotland.
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From: Stephen Reppucci [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:16 AM
To: Ron Savage
Cc: mod_perl
Subject: [OT] Re: New mod_perl Logo
All right -- I know I
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From: Stephen Reppucci [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ron Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: mod_perl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:15 AM
Subject: [OT] Re: New mod_perl Logo
All right -- I know I should just silently delete this, and let it
go, but it's like a bad traffic accident
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Ron Savage wrote:
All these American-style names are verging on the racist.
People should instead take into consideration the alternative
suggestions you provided...oh wait, nevermind.
--Alex
___cliff rayman___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
how about Everest? Niagara? Multiphase? Slipstream?
DigiServer? Pointillion? Web Mammoth? SharpWeb?
Web Enterprise? EnterWeb?
% perl -wlne 'print if delmopr eq join , sort /./g' dictionary
premold
%
Actually I just wish we could
In a message dated 30-Jan-02 6:08:29 AM GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All these American-style names are verging on the racist.
This is world-wide code, not f---ing American-wide code.
Don't let the crappy AOL account fool you. Nessie is about 3 hours from here. The Yetti I
At 4:54 PM -0500 1/30/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 30-Jan-02 6:08:29 AM GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All these American-style names are verging on the racist.
This is world-wide code, not f---ing American-wide code.
Don't let the crappy AOL account fool
Uhh... the platypus, the wombat, the tazmanian devil, and the emu.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:54 PM
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Subject: Re: New mod_perl Logo
In a message dated 30
* Rob Bloodgood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [31 Jan 2002 09:32]:
Uhh... the platypus, the wombat, the tazmanian devil, and the emu.
That's 'Tasmanian'. And they're wonderfully cute and vicious brutes.
cheers,
--
iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/
I looked at some of the candidates at
http://wypug.digital-word.com/mod_perl/
must confess I am partial to
http://wypug.digital-word.com/mod_perl/logos/louise_bramald_1.jpg so far
Thinking camels for Perl and feathers for Apache putting them together all I
could see is flying camels - is that
As many of you are aware, a new mod_perl website is currently being
developed and is near to going live. To accompany the new site, and
with mod_perl 2.0 development well under way, I have initiated a
competition to find a new mod_perl logo.
Therefore, I am asking any budding artists/designers
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 19:10, Markus Wichitill wrote:
exisiting icons of mod_perl (the camel, Apache feather, eagle, etc), or
Please let's not choose one with an ORA animal as the official logo. It's
very annoying having to include those stupid copyright notices just because
the logo is
:: Please let's not choose one with an ORA animal as the
:: official logo. It's very annoying having to include those
:: stupid copyright notices just because the logo is used on a page.
The final logo will be chosen by majority vote.
:: And since I've now posted to the list anyway, I can as
Note that that makes the only forbidden animal a white-tailed eagle I
guess. Any other animal should be ok.
The context is Apache and Perl, so wouldn't that include eagle, camel, llama
and whatever other book animals I've missed?
exisiting icons of mod_perl (the camel, Apache feather, eagle, etc), or
Please let's not choose one with an ORA animal as the official logo. It's
Well, seeing as this would be the new version of mod_perl, I could see it
being worth ORA's while to forgo their little copyright nonsense. I'm
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Michael A Nachbaur wrote:
Well, seeing as this would be the new version of mod_perl, I could see it
being worth ORA's while to forgo their little copyright nonsense. I'm sure,
if a really nice design comes up with the mod_perl eagle, that ORA wouldn't
mind bending their
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
Ideas for logos, banners, powered by-type buttons are all welcome.
Well, I'd like to just throw one idea into the mix. It's something that's
bugged me for a long time, no better time than the present.
mod_perl is a lousy name.
There, I've said
I could not agree more. I can not compute how much of my time would have
been saved over the last few years had I been able to say something
like 'We are using the Orwellian AppSphere 2002 running on Apache' to
VC's and management rather then 'Mod Perl'.
Perception counts I am
Hi ct !
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 01:29, Chris Thompson wrote:
Well, I'd like to just throw one idea into the mix. It's something that's
bugged me for a long time, no better time than the present.
mod_perl is a lousy name.
There, I've said it.
This discussion has occured already. The
how about Everest? Niagara? Multiphase? Slipstream?
DigiServer? Pointillion? Web Mammoth? SharpWeb?
Web Enterprise? EnterWeb?
Ged Haywood wrote:
Hi there,
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Chris Thompson wrote:
mod_perl is a lousy name.
[snip]
mod_perl needs a name. Something marketable,
Thanks for sharing your opinion and it has brought up some of my own
that I had held in reserve for sometime now.
I would 100% agree with a claim that a name is effecting usage if we
were selling a food product or something else to the general public, but
even then far more products have failed
In a message dated 30-Jan-02 12:50:50 AM GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about "BigFoot"?
Probably not the best for a server application. Might make one think of the "footprint" involved ... and isn't one of the major reasons to moving to mod_perl to reduce the overhead and
I agree. mod_perl is a technology not a platform. Java is called Java,
Servlets are called Servlets, but products on top of the technology (eg app
servers) are usually have the name Orwellian Pearlz Factory.
If you wanted to use a marketing name, you should have just told them you
were using
mod_perl Logo
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
Ideas for logos, banners, powered by-type buttons are all welcome.
Well, I'd like to just throw one idea into the mix. It's something that's
bugged me for a long time, no better time than the present.
mod_perl is a lousy name
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In a message dated
30-Jan-02 12:50:50 AM GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
How about "BigFoot"? Probably not the best
for a server applicat
At 07:29 PM 01/29/02 -0500, Chris Thompson wrote:
Well, I'd like to just throw one idea into the mix. It's something that's
bugged me for a long time, no better time than the present.
mod_perl is a lousy name.
I don't know about lousy, but I do agree. I brought this up on the
docs-dev list:
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