Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-22 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 13:47, Graham Watkins wrote: ed tharp wrote: lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, corporate greed is a serious problem itself. while Corporations are an entity they do not have feelings or emotions. they (the Corp). exist

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-22 Thread Robin Turner
ed tharp wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 13:47, Graham Watkins wrote: ed tharp wrote: lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, corporate greed is a serious problem itself. while Corporations are an entity they do not have feelings or emotions. they (the Corp).

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-22 Thread Daryl Johnson
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 12:13 pm, Robin Turner wrote: [...] In American law it's a person - comes from a case around the turn of the century: Dartmouth College vs. someone-or-other. Time we took this thread to the OT list? Sir Robin And in the UK it's Salomon v Salomon Ltd, turn of the

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-21 Thread Graham Watkins
ed tharp wrote: lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, corporate greed is a serious problem itself. while Corporations are an entity they do not have feelings or emotions. they (the Corp). exist only as a group of papers. they are run by people, who for the most

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-21 Thread JoeHill
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:47:37 +0100 Graham Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: According to Roger Scruton, whose lectures I attended many years ago, a corporation has the status of a person in law. This strikes me as unfortunate as a corporation, while possessing similar appetites, lacks many

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-21 Thread Daryl Johnson
On Monday 21 Jul 2003 8:54 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:47:37 +0100 Graham Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: According to Roger Scruton, whose lectures I attended many years ago, a corporation has the status of a person in law. This strikes me as unfortunate as a

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread crak600
On Sunday 20 July 2003 01:26 am, Erylon Hines wrote: Interestingly, this case is the one always brought up when the subject of lawsuits (in the U.S.) raises its head, and the facts of this case are more interesting than just the anecdotal mention would suggest. Why the corporation was found

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:01:50 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I'm not being a smart-alec here, but how much of a burn difference is there between 140 and 180? Why don't you give it a shot and let us know. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ There

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread Erylon Hines
Actually, that was part of it. The severity is significantly higher at 180 F when compared to 140. Also, as was pointed out by the franchise managers, the cups were softening at 180, and they were concerned that their employees would be scalded because the cups distorted when they softened,

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:29:29 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:26:25 -0700 Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Why the corporation was found to be culpable was because their coffee was served too hot. Why it was served so hot is the interesting part.

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:01:50 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 20 July 2003 01:26 am, Erylon Hines wrote: upper management was at fault because they knew, and in fact had been warned on numerous occasions, that the restaurant's policy of brewing coffee at 180

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:54:02 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 11:45 pm, g wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: The ZX-81 worked programs from a cassette tape - which stretched very do you still have your zx-81? ria, i still have 7 of them in working

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:02:42 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: they are two sides of the same coin Wrong again. That's like saying Linus and Bill are two sides of the same coin. They're quite clearly not. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Sometimes

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:25:54 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:02:42 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: they are two sides of the same coin Wrong again. That's like saying Linus and Bill are two sides of the same coin. They're quite clearly not.

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-20 Thread Michael Scottaline
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:29:29 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: lawyers and university professors and the NEA are not ruining the world, corporate greed is a serious problem itself. = Yes, it's about time people stop making lawyers

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
The ideas isn't to throw ALL kaazaa users in jail! What they actually plan to do is to prosecute a FEW sharers and jail them (plus fine them into the poorhouse) as examples for all the rest. Errr I don't know if my memory serves me right but didn't one of the movie companies successfully

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread aron smith
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 23:35, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: The ideas isn't to throw ALL kaazaa users in jail! What they actually plan to do is to prosecute a FEW sharers and jail them (plus fine them into the poorhouse) as examples for all the rest. Errr I don't know if my memory

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread aron smith
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 07:46, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 10:01 am, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:31:09 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: You guys should really read this its outragious - if its true! and guess who started all this

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 3:46 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 10:01 am, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:31:09 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: You guys should really read this its outragious - if its true! and guess who started all this

RE: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Frankie
.. regards Franki http://htmlfixit.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carroll Grigsby Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2003 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users. On Saturday 19 July 2003 10:01 am

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Erylon Hines
Actually, the perps settled out of court, and it cost them thousands of bucks! As for the latest, there is a thread going on Slashdot right now (hope the link works-if not just go to htp://slashdot.org and check out the RIAA Obtains Subpoenas Against File Swappers section).

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Saturday 19 July 2003 11:08 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 3:46 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 10:01 am, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:31:09 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: You guys should really read this its

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Aron Smith
On Saturday 19 July 2003 09:47 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 11:08 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 3:46 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 10:01 am, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:31:09 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 5:47 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 11:08 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 3:46 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2003 10:01 am, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:31:09 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 4:14 pm, Frankie wrote: Basic was the first language I learned.. Back when I was a youngin I was given a Commodore Vic 20 computer. I taught myself basic and wrote my first big program... A space invaders clone.. Much Later on when XT's came out, they started

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Eric Huff
The ZX-81 worked programs from a cassette tape - which stretched very quickly and soon became useless, so you had to have a backup tape. Also, I had the 16KB (Yes, KB!) memory pack, strapped on the back with insultating tape to stop wobble. You would work all evening on a bit of

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 22:16, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 4:14 pm, Frankie wrote: Basic was the first language I learned.. Back when I was a youngin I was given a Commodore Vic 20 computer. I taught myself basic and wrote my first big program... A space invaders

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread g
Anne Wilson wrote: The ZX-81 worked programs from a cassette tape - which stretched very do you still have your zx-81? ria, i still have 7 of them in working condition and i am looking for more software. peace out. tc,hago. g . -- =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time,

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Mike Wafkowski
COCO forever! MRW - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users. On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 22:16, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 4:14 pm, Frankie wrote

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:54:02 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Interestingly, my 17-year old granddaughter says that none of the modern games have ever given her the pleasure that she used to get from the Spectrum Frogger, Balloons and so on. I wish I had my old Commodore 64

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Keith
In most Western countries, much of the wealth of middle class people is transferred to lawyers via the likes of lawsuits against a restaurant for serving hot coffee (spilled WHILE driving) AND unconstitutional divorce/custody laws, where sharks (lawyers) must be hired to DEFEND ones right to

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Erylon Hines
Interestingly, this case is the one always brought up when the subject of lawsuits (in the U.S.) raises its head, and the facts of this case are more interesting than just the anecdotal mention would suggest. Why the corporation was found to be culpable was because their coffee was served too

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread JoeHill
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:26:25 -0700 Erylon Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Why the corporation was found to be culpable was because their coffee was served too hot. Why it was served so hot is the interesting part. More cups of coffee can be brewed from a pound of ground when the water is

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-19 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 20 July 2003 01:26 am, Erylon Hines wrote: upper management was at fault because they knew, and in fact had been warned on numerous occasions, that the restaurant's policy of brewing coffee at 180 degrees (F) was creating an unsafe condition. I'm not being a smart-alec here, but how

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread Brooks Family
It likely is true. I'm not in California, so I cannot say definitively. However, here is a website that will allow you to research Mr. Berman and any other politician you want to know about. http://opengov.media.mit.edu/DBD/CACHE//000/400/025/ Inhabitant of Zion wrote: Hi You guys

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread Cody Harris
- Original Message - From: Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users. On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 01:31, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: Hi You guys should really read

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread Paul
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 01:31, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: Hi You guys should really read this its outragious - if its true! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31800.html John I think I'd have a lot more sympathy for the RIAA if one of their major contributers weren't Sony Music. Or

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread crak600
On Friday 18 July 2003 11:31 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: Hi You guys should really read this its outragious - if its true! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31800.html John it'll never happen. the jails would be completely overloaded, as if they aren't already. i'll admit, i use

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread Miark
On 18 Jul 2003 19:32:42 +0300, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'd have a lot more sympathy for the RIAA if one of their major contributers weren't Sony Music. Or if Sony stopped selling CD-R/CD-RW disks recorders and MP3 players. Seems like hypocrisy to me. I think it's

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread rikona
Hello Inhabitant, Friday, July 18, 2003, 8:31:09 AM, you wrote: IoZ You guys should really read this its outragious Yes it is. Always follow the money. Berman gets about $100,000 a year from the entertainment industry. For that much money, he'll do outrageous things, since it is a good fraction

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread Erylon Hines
The ideas isn't to throw ALL kaazaa users in jail! What they actually plan to do is to prosecute a FEW sharers and jail them (plus fine them into the poorhouse) as examples for all the rest. This is how the U.S legal system works, when the problem is so massive the system can't deal with

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread aron smith
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 11:07, rikona wrote: Hello Inhabitant, Friday, July 18, 2003, 8:31:09 AM, you wrote: IoZ You guys should really read this its outragious Yes it is. Always follow the money. Berman gets about $100,000 a year from the entertainment industry. For that much money,

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread aron smith
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 10:36, Miark wrote: On 18 Jul 2003 19:32:42 +0300, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'd have a lot more sympathy for the RIAA if one of their major contributers weren't Sony Music. Or if Sony stopped selling CD-R/CD-RW disks recorders and MP3 players.

Re: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread JoeHill
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:07:48 -0400 walt [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: big brother is here... and he's got lawyers! even Orwell, as pessimistic as that novel was, never saw that one coming. God help us all. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ It is only with the heart

RE: [newbie] [OT] US propose jail for KaZaA users.

2003-07-18 Thread walt
It is not funny, it is scary. It is just another sign that the USA is loosing it. (and I am an American) big brother is here... Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Inhabitant of Zion Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL