Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-27 Thread robin
rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:43:16 PM, you wrote: It may be in the docs, but not in a form that is readily accessible by a simple search. AW> It's an interesting proposition, but not an overnight job, I think True. How does one get a group together to de

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-26 Thread robin
Rather than directing a newbie to the man page, it's often better to recommend the info page. OK, sometimes there is no info page and sometimes it's identical to the man page, but frequently they have more explanation and, most usefully, example commands. Later, of course, we'll be able to ju

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-26 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I used to press ctrl+C, and wondered why linux said that there were stopped jobs everytime I shutdown it. ;p It was not long ago that someone told me to press "q" to quit the man pages ;p On Wednesday 24 September 2003 07:37 pm, Charles A Edwards wr

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:47:05 -0700 Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:15, Franki wrote: > > Lee Wiggers wrote: > > > > >On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + > > >Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm,

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:09:25 -0600 "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: /Snip > > No, it should not do any harm. If you watch the system you'll see that > it will go through a normal reboot cycle using that "shortcut." > > C. > - - ty :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? G

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:15, Franki wrote: > Lee Wiggers wrote: > > >On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + > >Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >Note that if you do your nix learning on t

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Aron Smith
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 15:51, robin wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > >On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:19 pm, rikona wrote: > > > > > >>Hello Anne, > >> > >>Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: > >> > >>AAW> Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural > >>language' AW> searches

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 7:43 am, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:27:18 -0400 > Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > but...doesn't tell me if their method is > > > right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. > > > > > > Ty > > > > > > Femmily > > > > Irreverent, for sure

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 2:06 am, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages > > and everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I > > posted a question about symlink

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 2:06 am, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages > > and everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I > > posted a question about symlink

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:01 am, Heather/Femme wrote: > whos schilling? lol > > I was referring to a Bowie song. > > heh > > ty > Femme Ah, my bad - I was thinking about Peter Schillings song "Major Tom". You know, "4 3 2 1, Earth below us, drifting falling..." (pardon my singing voice,

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread ed tharp
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 21:06, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages and > > everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a > > question about symlinks so

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 25, 2003 12:47 am, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] > choice on how to shutdown your comp isn't what I'm after. Just wanna > know if doing ctrl-alt-del will shut it sown cleanly... I know it > doesn't do it clanly for windows. Most often that resu

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 25, 2003 12:26 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: [..] > I also am interested in the answer. Since installing 9.1, I haven't > been able to shut down without "shutdown now" or ctl-alt-backspace. > > Didn't care because shutdowns are rare here. > > Anyw

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Pawel Nozderko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can wrote in .bash_profile > alias name="command" > it's simple > alias quit="halt" > alias quit2="shutdown -h now" > :) > > > > OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to > > > > power

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:20:31 -0600 "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 24, 2003 09:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: > [..] > > ty. > > > > but...doesn't tell me if their method is > > right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. > >

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:27:18 -0400 Lee Wiggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > but...doesn't tell me if their method is > > right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. > > > > Ty > > > > Femmily > > > > > Irreverent, for sure. > > -- > User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 16:05, Eric Huff wrote: > I always type use halt > > eric I use "poweroff" and "reboot" - they appear to work much more nicer than "plug yank". stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 02:43, robin wrote: > Nicely put, in fact it should be included in the official fortune > distribution so people are reminded of it on a regular basis. > > Sir Robin Reminded of what? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn m

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 09:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] > ty. > > but...doesn't tell me if their method is > right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. > > Ty > > Femmily It's the same as with nearly anything in GNU/Linux Heather. There is nearly a

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Franki
Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie or two, but sooner

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Pawel Nozderko
You can wrote in .bash_profile alias name="command" it's simple alias quit="halt" alias quit2="shutdown -h now" :) > > > OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to > > > powerdown is use three finger salut. > > > > > > Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? > > > > > > Is t

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 09:06 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: > OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to > powerdown is use three finger salut. > > Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? > > Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out of date? > > ty > > Earth to Major Femme

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:51:48 -0400 > Peter Schilling lives! > > Anyways, when I've dropped out of X, I always use: > > shutdown -h now > > Don't know what others do though > > See ya! > > -- > >

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:51:49 -0400 Heather/Femme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:00 -0600 > "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Heather if you're at the command line interface the best way to > > shut down is type: > > > > halt > > > > If you just want a reboot

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:51:49 -0400 Heather/Femme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:00 -0600 > "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Heather if you're at the command line interface the best way to > > shut down is type: > > > > halt > > > > If you just want a reboot

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Eric Huff
> > OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to > > powerdown is use three finger salut. > > > > Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? > > > > Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out of date? > Anyways, when I've dropped out of X, I always use: > > shutdown -h now > > Do

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:19 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: AAW> Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural language' AW> searches never seemed to give me answers either. It is VERY likely that your "natural lan

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread yankl
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 08:09 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 24 Sep 2003 11:02 am, HaywireMac wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:13:07 -0700 > > > > John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > By the same logic you seem to suggest tossing a nonswimmer into > > > the 20 foot end of a

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Heather/Femme
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:00 -0600 "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heather if you're at the command line interface the best way to shut > down is type: > > halt > > If you just want a reboot type: > > reboot > > It may all be outdated but it still works. It's what I use the rare >

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Heather/Femme
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages and > everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a > question about symlinks some time ago because I had followed the > instructions in th

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT & hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 07:06 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] > OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to > powerdown is use three finger salut. > > Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? > > Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out o

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 12:50, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list > > > > it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie > > > > or two, but sooner or later it all

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + Kaj Haulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list > > > > it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie > > > > or two,

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 07:00 am, Merlin Zener wrote: [..] > > I'll accept the apology if you'll accept mine, then we'll call it even > > and start over. OK? (-: > > Even. > Sounds good to me. > Thanks, Charlie. > > > Only Irish coffee provides in a single

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: > > > > > > Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list > > > it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie > > > or two, but sooner or later it all comes here. > > > > > > Lee > > > > Auusies aren't so bad. The

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 Sep 2003 2:45 pm, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: > On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > OTOH, I had been dutifully opening a console and using su to do > > maintenance jobs, but closing it to return to user. It was a > > year later before anyone actually mentioned th

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:03:12 -0700 John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On September 23, 2003 10:41 pm, dlwiggers wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 > > > > John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > Thank you for a great

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread John Wilson
On September 23, 2003 10:41 pm, dlwiggers wrote: > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 > > John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why > > > *should* it be more painful than this? Is it

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Douglas Bainbridge
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Anne Wilson wrote: > OTOH, I had been dutifully opening a console and using su to do > maintenance jobs, but closing it to return to user. It was a year > later before anyone actually mentioned that if you type 'exit' you > don't need to close it :-) > > Anne Or

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Merlin Zener
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 10:04, Charlie M. wrote: > [...snip snip] > > I'll accept the apology if you'll accept mine, then we'll call it even and > start over. OK? (-: > Even. Sounds good to me. Thanks, Charlie. > Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups -- >

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 Sep 2003 1:37 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:18:10 +0100 > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OTOH, I had been dutifully opening a console and using su to do > > maintenance jobs, but closing it to return to user. It was a > > year later before anyo

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread RichardA
On 24 Sep 2003 05:30:42 +0700, Merlin Zener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe the helpful answerers expect things too. > Someone suggested [I'm sorry, I don't know who - Evolution is acting > up again: emails open up with blank windows - but that's a topic for > another thread] that I try "locate

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread dlwiggers
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > > Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why > > *should* it be more painful than this? Is it just to protect an > > elite? > > > Way way back ther

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread John Wilson
On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why *should* it > be more painful than this? Is it just to protect an elite? > Way way back there was a computer priesthood. Computers were these strange things that took up whole floors

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread John Wilson
On September 23, 2003 06:07 pm, yankl wrote: > On Tuesday 23 September 2003 02:43 am, John Wilson wrote: Oh my. :-) > John sorry by by your logic you set a person, with no previous knowledge, > in a car and tell him to drive. Not only that, but you put him in the > middle of car rally. Before y

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 23, 2003 04:30 pm, Merlin Zener wrote: > > Hi Charlie. > I emailed you offlist to apologize but it bounced; I hope you don't mind > me taking this opportunity to do it publicly. > [for those that missed it, or came in late, I sent a rather ha

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread yankl
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 02:43 am, John Wilson wrote: > > John (who keeps hoping that by flogging this dead horse it will get up and > win the Triple Crown) John sorry by by your logic you set a person, with no previous knowledge, in a car and tell him to drive. Not only that, but you put

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Merlin Zener
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:31, Charlie M. wrote: > [...snip] > > If you don't want to answer questions then don't. That's simple enough. Just > don't try to discourage others from freely sharing what they've learned. > Please. > > But before someone can realistically expect a total newbie to be

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:19 pm, rikona wrote: > Hello Anne, > > Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: > > AAW> Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural > language' AW> searches never seemed to give me answers either. > > It is VERY likely that your "natural language" se

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:48 pm, rikona wrote: > Hello Anne, > > Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:24:19 AM, you wrote: > > AW> Any offers? > > How about a good 'help system'? I'd be willing to contribute. > > AW> It's a challenge, really > > Yes, it will certainly be a challenge. :-) > > How about a

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread dlwiggers
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:25:39 -0700 Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:47, HaywireMac wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 > > John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > > In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons. > > > The fact is tha

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread JM5379
--- Original Message --- From: Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages >On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:47, HaywireMac wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 >> John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttere

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Aron Smith
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:47, HaywireMac wrote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 > John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons. The fact > > is that our favourite whipping boy is designed that way too, then sold > > as an OS for moro

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread HaywireMac
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:24:19 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why *should* it > be more painful than this? Is it just to protect an elite? even bigger ditto. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinc

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread HaywireMac
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 John Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons. The fact > is that our favourite whipping boy is designed that way too, then sold > as an OS for morons. You get what you market to. :-) big huge ditto.

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread HaywireMac
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:47:09 -0600 "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Smells like "protecting the noobs from themselves" and I find that > slightly distasteful. > > It's their equipment, if they want to screw it up let them. > > I will disagree however that RTFM is ever a good stand

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 7:43 am, John Wilson wrote: > This is how adults learn. And this is how I teach them and have > done so for 15 years. Hook em first then throw the dense stuff at > them. This is how you and I learn, too. > > At the moment I deeply regret not having the time to come up wi

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread John Wilson
On September 22, 2003 07:40 pm, yankl wrote: >vicously clear cuts a whole forest of words< > > I do not think that we need to embrace every person who like to switch to > linux. (I see the stones flying in my direction but bare with me for a > second) The *NIX OS is designed for responsible peopl

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread yankl
On Monday 22 September 2003 11:47 pm, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 22, 2003 08:40 pm, yankl wrote: > [..] > > > Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an > > evil creature. > > I was having a bit of fun Yankl. > >

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 08:40 pm, yankl wrote: [..] > Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an > evil creature. I was having a bit of fun Yankl. The use of the word seemed possibly appropriate given that line in your s

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread yankl
On Monday 22 September 2003 09:19 pm, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 22, 2003 06:51 pm, yankl wrote: > > On Monday 22 September 2003 07:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: > > > On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 > > > > I think my point was not taken properly.

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread yankl
On Monday 22 September 2003 07:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: > On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 I think my point was not taken properly. I am sorry it probably my English (it not even my second language more like fourth). My point was that people should make a research first and then try to ask qu

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Heather/Femme
On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :) > > > > > LOL nice going Rikona! > > > > hehe sorry but thats hilarious! > > > > FemmesAnAxeMurderer > > > O... No, she doesn't have a very strange sense of humor,,, no,,, > nothing like that,,, > > But I like it >

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:31, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 21, 2003 11:57 pm, rikona wrote: > > Hello yankl, > > > > y> hence the end of my e-mail "man -k". Have any one done their home > > y> work? > > > > Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:31:31 +0100 Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:03 pm, rikona wrote: > > > > Yep - another part of the problem. M$ help suffers from the same > > problem, although their overall integration of help is a step in > > the right direction. Newbies ca

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:41, Heather/Femme wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:25 -0700 > rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello yankl, > > > > Sorry to spoil your rant. :-) > > > > -- > > > > rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > LOL nice going Ri

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:03 pm, rikona wrote: > > Yep - another part of the problem. M$ help suffers from the same > problem, although their overall integration of help is a step in > the right direction. Newbies can describe the question in 'natural > language', which is unfortunately not the langu

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:25 -0700 rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello yankl, > Sorry to spoil your rant. :-) > > -- > > rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > LOL nice going Rikona! hehe sorry but thats hilarious! FemmesAnAxeMurderer Want to buy your Pa

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:36:27 -0400 yankl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 21 September 2003 06:03 am, Richard Urwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under > > > the belt. For a true newbie, many ar

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread yankl
On Sunday 21 September 2003 06:03 am, Richard Urwin wrote: > On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the > > belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. > > Agreed, but I'm not a newbie and IME, man pages ar

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:39:22 -0400 HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 > yankl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will > never get back... ;-) > > -- > HaywireMac Agreed. P

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread David Filion
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 7:37 pm, David Filion wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out that writing Science

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 7:37 pm, David Filion wrote: > Richard Urwin wrote: > > On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > >>** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is > >> Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the > >> good ones find out that writing Science F

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread David Filion
Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out that writing Science Fiction pays better :-( ). As a programmer: Documenting a program is

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. > That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out > that writing Science Fiction pays better :-( ). As a programmer: Documenting a program is a good and worth

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 06:00, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Sunday 21 September 2003 03:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the > > belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. > > > > Anne > > Exactly. What was it that somebody

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the > belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. Agreed, but I'm not a newbie and IME, man pages are almost useless for "how do I do x." apropos doesn't work because

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:53 am, yankl wrote: > On Saturday 20 September 2003 10:39 pm, HaywireMac wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 > > yankl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you > > will never get

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-20 Thread yankl
On Saturday 20 September 2003 10:39 pm, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 > yankl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will > never get back... ;-) I donate this 5 minutes to the FSF/OSS foundation.

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-20 Thread HaywireMac
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 yankl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: ROTFLMAO! Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will never get back... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mand