Well, I do agree with your proposed system for general purposes - while
I can imagine lotsa situations where a FF longish prime lens would fit
into my go-anywhere bag with the {still in the far future} m4/3 camera
and everyday zoom. Details indeed.
While I am currently shaping my needs to a
Sorry, Gradon - meant to place longer but skipped the . But actually
the concept of how long and short lenses are takes the sensor size
in consideration, the way I see it. Long lens being an accepted buzz
word for teleobjective, when I was learning about photo gear names... :-)
lf
Graydon
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:48:17AM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit:
Sorry, Gradon - meant to place longer but skipped the . But actually
the concept of how long and short lenses are takes the sensor size
in consideration, the way I see it. Long lens being an accepted buzz
word for
Dario, your point about a FF system and micro 4/3 is interesting, but
there is a simple solution. One that includes the use of the big FF
lenses with suitable adapters in the m4/3, for some specific uses.
Those would be exactly the big, expensive and fast teles, made even
longer by the format
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 12:58:04PM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit:
Those would be exactly the big, expensive and fast teles, made even
longer by the format diff. Not to be used everyday, but often enough.
Gr.
Not longer; reach is reach. Made more difficult to get the subject in
the field
There's not much marketing way in harder to use . . .
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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Luiz Felipe wrote:
Dario, your point about a FF system and micro 4/3 is interesting, but
there is a simple solution. One that includes the use of the big FF lenses
with suitable adapters in the m4/3, for some specific uses.
Those would be exactly the big, expensive and fast teles, made even
I wrote:
Thinking about an ideal solution, starting from scratch, I think m4/3 + FF
is even better. It allows even more benefit in size and weight, with
little if any sacrifice on performance. That wasn't true in the past, as
4/3 equipment was not smaller than APS-C, while its quality was.
2009/9/5 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
There may be no scandal in owning two manufactures systems, but there is a
serious duplication of effort, and cost. If I were going to have a 24x36mm
sensor camera and a APS-C sensor camera, I think it would make a whole lot
more sense to buy
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Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
2009/9/5 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
There may be no scandal in owning two manufactures systems
P. J. Alling wrote:
There may be no scandal in owning two manufactures systems, but there
is a serious duplication of effort, and cost. If I were going to have
a 24x36mm sensor camera and a APS-C sensor camera, I think it would
make a whole lot more sense to buy into Canon, Nikon or Sony, and
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing I noticed right away when I switched over to the K-7 was how fast
the mirror returns. The unheralded advantage of a fast frame rate is a fast
viewfinder.
William Robb
The responsiveness necessary to exceed 4fps
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Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:36 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 06:56:01PM -0600, William
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:37 AM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
You would probably love one of those non reflex micro 4/3
type cameras, they don't black out much if at all from
what I read, no mirror.
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No mirror, but they reset the Live
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:37 AM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
You
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
that doesn't sound like something inherent in the format.
That sounds like a design choice on a particular camera.
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It's inherent to the use of live view, although the length of
Not to be a PITA or anything, (Oh, hell, let's face it yes I'm being a
PITA), but if you could when you refer to mini 4:3 cameras by their nic.
could you use m4/3. I read this early in the morning and was confused
about what a Spotmatic might have to do with this discussion
Adam Maas
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Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:22 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
that doesn't sound like something inherent in the format
Miserere wrote:
2009/8/28 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com:
In June at GFM I said I expected full-frame to hit the $2000 price
point in 2010. Seems I was off the mark a bit. This means we might see
full-frame at actual street prices around $1500 by next summer.
Exactly, which makes
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know, Cannon seems to think if they pack enough MP into their 1.6x
crop sensor they can command $1700US for one. Sure it has specifications
out the wazoo*, but when you come down to it it's noise
Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 8fps
is a selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless you work
for /Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I expect the magazine would be
supplying a 1D something or other. It looks more like Canon has repealed
the laws
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 8fps is a
selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless you work for
/Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I expect the magazine would be
Yes, but technical viability is different from sales viability. I see a
lot of E-450 and E-620, (OK, maybe E-5XX bodies), in big box stores.
However I've never seen a K-2000/K-m body in any of those stores. It's
difficult to comparison sell Josephine Six-Pack, on a smaller lighter
camera if
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but technical viability is different from sales viability. I see a lot
of E-450 and E-620, (OK, maybe E-5XX bodies), in big box stores. However
I've never seen a K-2000/K-m body in any of those stores. It's
I see Pentax in as many places as Olympus.
Paul
On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Yes, but technical viability is different from sales viability. I
see a lot of E-450 and E-620, (OK, maybe E-5XX bodies), in big box
stores. However I've never seen a K-2000/K-m body in any of
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From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while 8fps is
a selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless you work for
/Sports/ /Illustrated/, and then I
William Robb wrote:
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Well, I was never able to use the 5 fps on the Pentax LX, so while
8fps is a selling point, I'm not sure what it's really worth, unless
you work for /Sports
. Will the DA 40 work for FF (without significant
problems)?
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Supposed to be released in 2010. However Pentax already has a
Flagship. The 645D will be their Professional offering.
Bob Sullivan wrote:
For your zoom, try the old A35-105 f3.5.
For a FF camera, I wouldn't be surprised to see Pentax skip to
a 645 format sensor as the flagship.
Regards, Bob
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 06:56:01PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
One thing I noticed right away when I switched over to the K-7 was how
fast the mirror returns. The unheralded advantage of a fast frame rate is
a fast viewfinder.
William Robb
I've always stressed that that was one of the
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sullivan
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Excellent suggestion Paul. You ought to be in Marketing. :-)
Seriously, that makes sense and gives a rationale to the lens line-up.
Why tote
There may be no scandal in owning two manufactures systems, but there is
a serious duplication of effort, and cost. If I were going to have a
24x36mm sensor camera and a APS-C sensor camera, I think it would make a
whole lot more sense to buy into Canon, Nikon or Sony, and be able to
re-use a
I just want to send him some Tabasco to go with it...
Gonz wrote:
Will you put it on youtube?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Cottycotty...@mac.com wrote:
On 31/8/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME
My feast
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting and varied opinions (thanks guys!) although nobody
brought up the issue that bothers me most.
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME, like Mark said, out
of necessity. When this happens (not *if*), what will
On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
I've seen magazine headlines read: Is FF the New Medium Format?--
which suggests there are others who might agree with you, Dario.
That's what I'd call lowering standards... :(
Dave
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Mark Roberts wrote:
paul stenquist wrote:
I don't think Pentax will HAVE to go full frame. The 645D will fill
the bill as a high end flagship.
Good lord, even the most
2009/9/1 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
The new Canon 7D is an APS-C camera with a street price of around $1700 and
a heavy feature set. So I guess the format isn't quite dead.
Paul
Yes, I saw it this morning and was VERY pleased. If Canikon think
high-end APS-C is worth pursuing,
-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Roberts
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc.
There are good technical arguments
I'm trying to remember. Will the DA 40 work for FF (without significant
problems)?
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850
Interesting and varied opinions (thanks guys!) although nobody brought
up the issue that bothers me most.
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME, like Mark said, out of
necessity. When this happens (not *if*), what will they do with APS-C?
They cannot give up on it given how much they've
For your zoom, try the old A35-105 f3.5.
For a FF camera, I wouldn't be surprised to see Pentax skip to
a 645 format sensor as the flagship.
Regards, Bob S.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Misereremiser...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting and varied opinions (thanks guys!) although nobody brought
I don't think Pentax will HAVE to go full frame. The 645D will fill
the bill as a high end flagship. There's room for someone to be a
leader in APS-C, and with their lens lineup, Pentax is a perfect fit
for that role.
Paul
On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Miserere wrote:
Interesting and
Excellent suggestion Paul. You ought to be in Marketing. :-)
Seriously, that makes sense and gives a rationale to the lens line-up.
Why tote around the heavy and expensive Nikon/Canon FF stuff when
you can get excellent Image Quality with Pentax.
'Oh, and if you really need to go FF, you should
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Excellent suggestion Paul. You ought to be in Marketing. :-)
Seriously, that makes sense and gives a rationale to the lens line-up.
Why tote around the heavy and expensive Nikon/Canon FF stuff when
you can get
paul stenquist wrote:
I don't think Pentax will HAVE to go full frame. The 645D will fill
the bill as a high end flagship.
Good lord, even the most wildly optimistic price predictions for the
645D have it costing roughly equal to a Canon 1Ds-III! As of this week
35mm full-frame is $2000 and by
I didn't say the 645D would be cost competitive with low-end full
frame cameras, but it will fill the need for a flagship offering.
Although I could see a follow-up to that camera with a smaller sensor
but the 645D lens mount providing an entry level offering.
Small companies need not try
Mark Roberts wrote:
paul stenquist wrote:
I don't think Pentax will HAVE to go full frame. The 645D will fill
the bill as a high end flagship.
Good lord, even the most wildly optimistic price predictions for the
645D have it costing roughly equal to a Canon 1Ds-III! As of this week
35mm
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 02:24:54PM -0400, Desjardins, Steve wrote:
I'm trying to remember. Will the DA 40 work for FF (without significant
problems)?
I just put one on a P30t and it looks slightly darker in the corners,
but not bad.
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the
The 24x36 vs APS-C wankfest is fun and all, but it seems to me that
everyone is missing the most critical thing Pentax needs in order to
sell cameras: Get them in stores where people can buy them.
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the second step is learning to throw away ones
: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Mark Roberts wrote:
paul stenquist wrote:
I don't think Pentax will HAVE to go full frame. The 645D will fill
the bill as a high end flagship.
Good lord, even the most wildly optimistic price predictions for the
645D have it costing roughly equal
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 02:04:42PM -0400, Miserere scripsit:
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME, like Mark said, out of
necessity. When this happens (not *if*), what will they do with APS-C?
But they don't have to go full-frame.
IF Pentax-the-brand wants to go compete at the 2 kUSD,
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From: Dario Bonazza
Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On a side note: any info about Shel? I haven't heard of him for ages. I
rather miss our gentlemen's disagreement.
Theres at least a couple of hundred reasons that I miss him
On 31/8/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME
My feast awaits.
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Excellent suggestion Paul. You ought to be in Marketing. :-)
Seriously, that makes sense and gives a rationale to the lens line-up.
Why tote around the heavy and expensive Nikon/Canon FF
Will you put it on youtube?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Cottycotty...@mac.com wrote:
On 31/8/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME
My feast awaits.
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Isn't it getting a bit cold?
On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 31/8/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME
My feast awaits.
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On 01/09/2009, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
On 31/8/09, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed:
I believe Pentax will *HAVE* TO GO FULL-FRAME
My feast awaits.
You'll probably have lost your teeth by then...
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From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Mark Roberts wrote:
paul stenquist wrote:
I don't think Pentax will HAVE
/
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:27 AM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:54 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:30 AM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
Adam wrote : Unfortunately while that's a nice theory it is not born
out in practice.edit, see full quote below.
No, I don’t agree. Are you trying to say that a FF lens has to have
the same resolution across the board
I admit I'm more amenable to the APS-C forever, unless it is beaten out by
4/3. The point is that even though MF and LF existed, the smaller 35 mm
dominated because the IQ was good enough. I think that's where APS-C or 4/3 is
now. Of course, good enough doesn't make sense to many on this
I'm unsure of 4/3rds viability long-term. I suspect strongly that the
lower-end 4/3rds DSLR's will be killed off by Micro4/3rds and the
higher-end line will be on life support and exist mostly to fill in
the gaps for Micro-4/3rds users. 4/3rds simply hasn't been able to
capitalize on the promise
I agree. I should have said micro-4/3 since that's what the G1 and E-P1 are.
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:23 AM
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On Sat, Aug
] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:14 AM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
I admit I'm more amenable to the APS-C forever, unless it is beaten
out by 4/3. The point is that even though MF and LF existed, the
smaller
J.C. O'Connell wrote:
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are
really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts,
registration etc as FF cameras. The bottom line is that FF
DSLRs and lenses are hardly much bigger than the APS DSLRs/lenses
for these reasons. If APS
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
J.C. O'Connell wrote:
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are
really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 01:24:27PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell scripsit:
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are
really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts,
registration etc as FF cameras.
[snip]
Which is a very good thing for in-body anti-shake systems.
Also a
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:41 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
J.C. O'Connell wrote:
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are really
retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
I don't follow your logic, the higher the overall sensor resolution
and sensor pixel densities get with time, the more the overall system
resolution depends
on the lens' absolute resolution AND FORMAT SIZE. If you use two
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Graydon
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
That's sorta my point,
A FF Pentax DSLR is not going to be that much bigger
than the current APS DSLR because APS is already using
the same size lens mount, registration etc
and those will not increase in size with a FF
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are
really retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts,
registration etc as FF cameras. The bottom line is that FF
DSLRs and lenses are hardly much bigger
Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc.
There are good technical arguments both for and against full-frame.
None of it makes any difference. Full-frame is about marketing,
consumer needs (desires, really) and fashion. And Pentax can no more
choose not to go full-frame than they could have
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Adam Maas
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:57 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net
wrote:
That's sorta my point,
A FF Pentax DSLR is not going to be that much bigger
than the current APS DSLR because APS is already using
the same
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:24 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net
wrote:
I think maybe your overlooking the fact that APS SLRs are really
retrofits of FF slrs and use the same size lens mounts, registration
, 2009 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc.
There are good technical arguments both for and against full-frame. None
of it makes any difference. Full-frame is about marketing, consumer
needs
Mark Roberts wrote:
Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc.
There are good technical arguments both for and against full-frame.
None of it makes any difference. Full-frame is about marketing,
consumer needs (desires, really) and fashion. And Pentax can no more
choose not to go
[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:44 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
Mark Roberts wrote:
Resolution. LPM. Register distance. Etc. Etc.
There are good technical arguments both
J.C. O'Connell wrote:
FF should not only be able to achieve higher system resolution
at same or larger sensor resolutions, it should also be able
to achieve same low noise performance at higher ISO sensitivities
than APS sensor due to larger area sensor pixels. Just like APS
images better than
Some refinements in my thoughts below:
J.C. O'Connell wrote:
FF should not only be able to achieve higher system resolution
at same or larger sensor resolutions, it should also be able
to achieve same low noise performance at higher ISO sensitivities
than APS sensor due to larger area sensor
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:42:15PM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
3) An ever-increasing number of DSLR users want FF. When they will be the
majority, it will make No.2 irrelevant to 99% of DSLR users, thus
resurrecting No.1.
You're forgetting the most important point - a FF DSLR will always
John Francis wrote:
And whatever they may *say*
they want, 99% of DSLR purchasers will vote with their wallet and
buy the cheaper DSLR.
So no one on this list owns a K7 then? Or bought a K20 when it was
new? Or a Nikon D700? (Hi, Dave Savage!)
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:42:15PM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
3) An ever-increasing
It occurs to me that arguing what sort of lenses you need to get the
full performance out of a full frame camera is like arguing what sort
of tires you need to get the full performance out of a Ferrari. Most
of us can't afford it, and most of those who can afford it don't have
the skill to make
Francis
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:42:15PM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
3) An ever-increasing number of DSLR users want FF. When they will be
the
majority, it will make
5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
It occurs to me that arguing what sort of lenses you need to get the
full performance out of a full frame camera is like arguing what sort of
tires you need to get the full performance out of a Ferrari
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:37:41PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell scripsit:
people don't just buy DSLR bodies, they buy DSLR systems (bodies and
lenses) .
Since FF system can match or outperform an APS system with lower
performance,
less costly lenses, a FF system could cost less, not more
for same
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
ff bodies don't need as high a peformance lenses as APS
bodies do to achieve same level of system peformance.
That's the main appeal of FF bodies. No super tweeked,
super performance leneses are required, mortal lenses
Of
Graydon
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:23 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:37:41PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell scripsit:
people don't just buy DSLR bodies, they buy DSLR systems (bodies and
lenses) .
Since FF system can
Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:40 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net
wrote:
ff bodies don't need as high a peformance lenses as APS bodies do to
achieve same level of system peformance. That's the main appeal of FF
bodies. No super tweeked
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:40:42PM -0400, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
ff bodies don't need as high a peformance lenses as APS
bodies do to achieve same level of system peformance.
That's the main appeal of FF bodies. No super tweeked,
super performance leneses are required, mortal lenses
can be
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
huh, pentax doesn't have a FF sensor. If they did
it would around $2K like Sony, no?
How many much cheaper non-DA lenses would it take to make
up the extra $800 or so for the FF Penatx body
vs the APS body?
Answer -
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:19:45PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net wrote:
huh, pentax doesn't have a FF sensor. If they did
it would around $2K like Sony, no?
How many much cheaper non-DA lenses would it take to make
up the extra
, 2009 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, J.C. O'Connellhifis...@gate.net
wrote:
huh, pentax doesn't have a FF sensor. If they did
it would around $2K like Sony, no?
How many much cheaper non-DA lenses would
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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:51 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:19:45PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:00 PM, J.C
Yeah but the Michellin Pilot Sport Cup tires are the best.
Kenneth Waller
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From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
Subject: Re: OT: Sony Releases A850 FF Camera for $2,000
It occurs to me that arguing what sort of lenses you need
I'm surprised nobody's commented on this yet. Or did I miss the thread?
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09082705sonya850.asp
It's basically the same as the A900, only 2fps slower and a slightly
smaller VF (98% vs 100%). Will Canikon follow suit by releasing $2k FF
cameras (or adjusting the
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