The approach to write the number of roll instead of
the frame, works better
if you use 18 frames of a roll and 20 days pass
until your next shooting
session. You can also loose the notebook paper where
you wrote down the
frame numbers.
Why write it on notebook paper, when you have a film
Another useless feature, then. Makes me think that the MZ-5n is a very good camera
(and it is).
All the best!
Raimo
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Raimo wrote:
Absolutely useless
...but remember that the standard back have controls for AF. I agree
though that 12-15 sems a bit too much for this use only. BTW doesn't the
bottom of the camera have 16 contacts?
Hmm... Not remember it :-(
And what for 12 contacts needed? Just for AF activation button?
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Doesn't it seem
Martin Carro wrote:
Hi Peter, Let's see. You can assign Memory #1 to Supra 100, so
you write #1 in your Supra 100 roll.
Ok so before unloading your Supra 100 you note the frame counter and write
that on the film canister instead.
Then you have another roll, for example Tri-X, and
that goes
on 4/9/01 1:05 AM, James Apilado at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You speak "treason" by saying you would let go 35mm vs. APS and MF. But let
me join you in that.
Hi Jim,
Treason? Well, yes, but I am still practicing the monogamy by not getting
into a heresy of buying one of these plasticky
Ok, Peter, I didnt want to push you to use this method. I thought that it
was easier and economic than having something making holes or burning the
film.
The approach to write the number of roll instead of the frame, works better
if you use 18 frames of a roll and 20 days pass until your next
Just an idea:
Could the film manufacturers not put a magnetic 'sticker' on the outside
of 35mm film canisters. The camera could auto record read film info
like last used fram ISO override etc and use it for mid roll change etc.
If a film was loaded without the magnetic 'sticker' then obviously
I was wrong about Contax: No Contax SLR can remember the most recent frame
in a rewound roll. I was confusing this capability with the optional
Advanced Data Back D-8. The dtaback records exposure or date information
in-between freames, or can be set to store information and print this
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From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 April 2001 15:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 -
MZ-Sand FA31Ltd)
It would be easier for them to use the same sype of technology
as is used in APS
on 4/10/01 11:09 AM, K.Takeshita at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 4/10/01 10:29 AM, William Robb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, the APS system is extremely problematic. Considering the amount of RD
that went into it, I am surprised it is as bad as it is.
I never had any problem with the
Why don't we just wait until the MZ-S starts shipping?
Then we'll *KNOW* what technique it uses for rewind memory.
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800-speed APS film is quite new, isn't it? Like two months old? Perhaps it
requires its own processing channel and all labs will have to learn with
experience.
In my view, the arrival of 800-speed APS film breathes new life into the
format, especially for available-light fans. But only if you
John wrote:
Why don't we just wait until the MZ-S starts shipping?
Then we'll *KNOW* what technique it uses for rewind memory.
I think we do. You dial in the frame number and camera goes there.
Pl
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From: "K.Takeshita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 10, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan
2001 - MZ-SandFA31Ltd)
on 4/10/01 10:29 AM, William Robb at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
BTW, the
I checked the patent for data printing on the film during rewind a while back
I think these contacts inside the camera are for that purpose.
The C.R. Kennedy site also explains the MZ-S battery grip controls.
BG-10 Battery Grip :
Powered by four AA-sized alkaline or lithium
And they call that modern technology? My Spotmatic
will do that, not to mention my MZ-30.
Jody.
2. Mid-roll Rewind
You can rewind in the middle of the roll on an MZ-S.
However, if you would like to re-use the roll, you
have to
write down the frame number, and to wind up to that
frame
. huhtikuuta 2001 22:26
Aihe: Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd
Raimo wrote:
Yes - but you would still need to somehow tell the camera which film it is - unless
the camera can read the imprinted data - it might do so with the film is developed
;-). So this does not mean sense
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I still wonder how Minolta claims the camera can do it. How the camera can read the
(imprinted?) film
: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
FA31Ltd)
Martin wrote:
My question:
But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how
to
diferentiate each one (12, 24 or 36 frames)?
You got me there. Anyway, the idea was pretty silly to start
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I still wonder how Minolta claims the camera can do it. How
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Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S
and
FA31Ltd)
Martin wrote:
My question:
But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how
to
diferentiate each one (12, 24 or 36 frames)?
Martin wrote:
My question:
But what happens to the 12 or 24 frames rolls?? Does the camera know how
to
diferentiate each one (12, 24 or 36 frames)?
I believe that the DX film coding contains this information.
Eric
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From: "Cy Galley"
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan
2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)
Why not have the camera notch the film edge when exposed? or
burn a spot in
the sprocket hole area? Then when inserted, the film would
wind past the
Denis wrote:
Don't know about sealing.
But I have other theme: under back cover (film cover) of the body I saw many
(something around 12-15) contact plates. And IMHO it not for battery grip...
Looks like something can be attached to the camera's back...
...but remember that the standard
Somebody should inform Contax.
However, the rep clearly told me that it is IMPOSSIBLE, for there is no
means to memorise to which frame was exposed on the film.
Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Sent: April 9, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd
Somebody should inform Contax.
Please expand on that thought Paul. The way 35mm film comes out
of the box, there is no tool
William Robb wrote:
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Somebody should inform Contax.
Please expand on that thought Paul. The way 35mm film comes out
Raimo wrote:
Absolutely useless feature - if you need to write down the film number, you could
more easily write down the frame number and wind on to this number.
So you think its easier to fit on a lens cap; set the camera in manual mode; choose
the fastest possible shutterspeed; and
Martin wrote:
Another approach would be to have say n memories where the camera would
store the number of frames already shot for n rolls. All you have to do is
write down in the roll what memory goes with that roll.
Example
Memory #1: 23 frames shot
Memory #2: 8 frames shot
..
Martin wrote:
and voila, the camera winds to that frame plus 1.
I love it when you speak French!
Regards,
Bob...
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Hi,
I suggested this a couple of months back, it still seems the
best way to do it !!!
Rob
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From rob Wed Feb 14 01:19:55 2001
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:19:54 GMT
I would expect that the body assigns an incremental number to
each film as it is loaded,
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Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
FA31Ltd)
Hi,
My girlfriend has a Canon Elph and it mentions in the instruction manual
that a slide film is available.
Cya
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Subject: Re: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd
Raimo wrote:
Absolutely useless feature - if you need to write down the film
number, you could more easily write down the frame number
Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan
2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd)
Why not have the camera notch the film edge when exposed? or
burn a spot in
the sprocket hole area? Then when inserted, the film would
wind past the
last mark and stop ready to take the next picture.
ubject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
FA31Ltd)
Another approach would be to have say n memories where the camera would
store the number of frames already shot for n rolls. All you have to do is
write down in the roll what memory goes with that roll.
Examp
Hi Take,
comments below:
At 2:50 PM +09004/8/01, Takehiko Ueda caused thus to appear:
Hi all,
I have received some questions off list from fellow members.
I visited the Expo again today, and got answer from the
Pentax rep. I think they are of interest of many members,
so I post this one.
Takehiko wrote:
3. AF Points Indication
AF points you choose will not be shown on the LCD on the
body top, but only in the viewfinder LED. I didn't have
enough time to check it into details, but you find the AF
points in the viewfinder for sure.
REPLY:
This is of no consequence in my opinion.
Hi Doug and all,
This must have been changed, because it is exactly
opposite what I was told.
I think so, too. However, the rep clearly told me that it
is IMPOSSIBLE, for there is no means to memorise to which frame
was exposed on the film.
Why would one need AF point indicators on the
Hi Paal and all again:-)
This is of no consequence in my opinion. You need to
look trhough the viefinder to use AF in any meaningful
way. More negative is the lack of the exposure bar on
the external LCD panel. For manual use on a tripod
external exposure bar display is great.
For this
Takehiko Ueda wrote:
BTW, I told him that I've heard that some shops abroad are
taking reservation for an MZ-S.
Looks like this is the case. At least one U.S. mail-order vender is
advertising the MZ-S in the May issue of Shutterbug magazine. ("The
Camera Club," a firm I have never heard of
At 1:09 AM +09004/9/01, Takehiko Ueda caused thus to appear:
Hi Doug and all,
I think so, too. However, the rep clearly told me that it
is IMPOSSIBLE, for there is no means to memorise to which frame
was exposed on the film.
Wow. It's gone from being a radical new feature (in a 35mm SLR) to an
Doug wrote:
Did you get a look at the battery grip? That is what, IMO, really makes this camera.
Ironically, the MZ-S don't really need extra battery juice as much as the Z-1p. It
uses significantly less power. I understand that the battery grip offer more features
than just a release
Takehiko wrote:
I didn't ask him if there is some change made after the PMA.
He told me that a camera has changed since the old days of
an LX, and it is impossible to equip an MZ-S with LX-like
sealing, because it has far more electronics inside. He
said that such a sealing might affect
Takehiko wrote:
I think so, too. However, the rep clearly told me that it
is IMPOSSIBLE, for there is no means to memorise to which frame
was exposed on the film.
I really don't think so. I believe the new Minolta 7 have this feature (correct me if
I'm wrong). The rep may not know what he
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I really don't think so. I believe the new Minolta
Paal wrote:
I really don't think so. I believe the new Minolta 7 have this feature
(correct me if I'm wrong). The rep may not know what he is talking about
(lets hope so)...
[...]
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I know this exactly - MZ-S can (when this Pentax function is activated)
rewind film to frame number which you'll
Denis wrote:
I know this exactly - MZ-S can (when this Pentax function is activated)
rewind film to frame number which you'll select by right-dial (they call it
"MRC film advance")...
Pentax Function #12 have three positions:
- completely rewind
- leaving film leader out
- leaving leader
2001 11:48 AM
Subject: Re[2]: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and FA31Ltd
Ironically, the MZ-S don't really need extra battery
juice as much as the Z-1p. It uses significantly less
power. I understand that the battery grip offer more
features than just a release button and AA batteries.
Does a
(WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S and
FA31Ltd)
I wrote:
Automation can be achieved by say pressing the DOF-preview button (or another
button) while loading a new film. This way you could tell the camera that its
the rewinded roll you have put into the camera and then it could
I think I am tired of myself too, but I am going to ask anyway. Is the
eyepiece plastic? Or simply put, is the eyepiece coated (uncoated =
plastic)?
regards,
Alan Chan
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on 4/8/01 5:57 PM, Denis Klimovich at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this exactly - MZ-S can (when this Pentax function is activated)
rewind film to frame number which you'll select by right-dial (they call it
"MRC film advance")...
Pentax Function #12 have three positions:
- completely
on 4/8/01 6:51 PM, James Apilado at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then again, Pentax could have made an APS camera and you wouldn't have to go
through all this hassle to get to an unexposed frame.
Hi Jim and all,
I am known to fond of APS (OK, duck hide ! :-). I know arguments about
smaller neg
I think I am tired of myself too, but I am going to ask anyway. Is the
eyepiece plastic? Or simply put, is the eyepiece coated (uncoated =
plastic)?
regards,
Alan Chan
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As and some people before I can't recognize it (plastic or glass).
IMHO (or exactly - from memory) it's coated.
Den
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This
Thanks Den. I suspected that that rep was out of his depth (they often are
:-) ).
Maybe its even sealed as well?
You made my day!
Pl
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:-)
Don't know about sealing.
But I have other theme: under back cover (film cover) of the body I saw many
(something around 12-15) contact plates. And IMHO it
could be
purchased. Even the earlier 126 format had slide film available.
Jim A.
From: "K.Takeshita" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:32:51 -0400
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Subject: Re: Film rewind with memory (WAS: Photo Expo Japan 2001 - MZ-S an
Pl wrote:
"The MZ-S do number every roll of film up to 200 and then start at one
again. Theoretically it could remember 200 rolls of film. All the camera
need to know is how many frame is shot on each roll. This doesn't need to
take much memory (it could eg. discard all rolls that have shot 36
on 4/8/01 9:10 PM, James Apilado at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Ken.
When I started on this list back in '96 when APS was staring out, I took a
lot of flack from die hard 35mm fans who seemed threatened by the new
format. My only complaint with APS is that you can't buy slide film here in
Hi,
My girlfriend has a Canon Elph and it mentions in the instruction manual
that a slide film is available.
Cya
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on 4/8/01 9:10 PM, James Apilado at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Ken.
When I started on this list back in '96 when APS was staring out, I took a
lot of flack from die hard 35mm fans who seemed t
Hi all,
I just uploaded the photos I took at the Japan Photo Expo
2001. They are here;
http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/reports/
The Expo is on till tomorrow, and if you have any questions,
I can check them tomorrow, so let me know.
Sincerely,
Take
Hi Dan,
You didn't confuse anyone. They just like to poke fun
at everyone's obvious typos because it makes them feel
almost adequate. G
I know. That's what I always do with Japanese at workG.
Thanks for your kind regards.
Sincerely,
Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan
Takehiko Ueda writes:
Monitor: 2' colour LCD
Wow, that's a very big screen for a supposedly portable device :)
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Monitor: 2' colour LCD
Wow, that's a very big screen for a supposedly portable device :)
Perhaps it folds out.
James Brooks :)
E-MAILS are susceptible to interference. You should not assume that
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Good spotting. I assume s/he meant 2". 2' is bigger
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Takehiko Ueda writes:
Monitor: 2' colour LCD
Wow, that's a very big screen for a supposedly
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If one goes to the Mother Ship web site in Japan and clicks on the second
line down under What's New and scroll down one will see a new product
listed amongst the empty blocks: 35mm 34-107 mm. I'm aware of the 28-105
newbie but have not heard of this one. As it is impossible for us American
Hi Dick,
If one goes to the Mother Ship web site in Japan and
clicks on the second line down under What's New and
scroll down one will see a new product listed amongst
the empty blocks: 35mm 34-107 mm. I'm aware of the
28-105 newbie but have not heard of this one. As it is
impossible
At 11:36 AM 3/28/01 -0600, you wrote:
If one goes to the Mother Ship web site in Japan and clicks on the second
line down under What's New and scroll down one will see a new product
listed amongst the empty blocks: 35mm 34-107 mm. I'm aware of the 28-105
newbie but have not heard of this
www.pentax.co.jp/japan/index.html
At 08:14 PM 3/28/01 +0200, you wrote:
Dick wrote:
If one goes to the Mother Ship web site in Japan and clicks on the second
line down under What's New and scroll down one will see a new product
listed amongst the empty blocks: 35mm 34-107 mm. I'm
Just go to:www.pentax.co.jp/japan/index.html and scrolldown. It is down
about 3 paragraphs and is in small print.
DG
At 03:23 AM 3/29/01 +0900, you wrote:
Hi Dick,
If one goes to the Mother Ship web site in Japan and
clicks on the second line down under What's New and
scroll down
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:36:27 -0600, dick graham wrote:
If one goes to the Mother Ship web site in Japan and clicks on the second
line down under What's New and scroll down one will see a new product
listed amongst the empty blocks: 35mm 34-107 mm. I'm aware of the 28-105
newbie but have not
Hi Dick,
Mike is right. It's about the new digital camera called
El-3000. FYI, the translation is as follows;
Name: El-3000(tentative)
Type: Built-in zoom lens full automatic SLR type digital
still camera
Photo CCD: 3.43 million frame transfer 2/3 CCD
Lens: 3x zoom 34-107mm equivalent in 35mm
I don't speak or read japanese, but I guess it's the
digital EI3000 (revamped EI2000) that has a zoom lens
34-107.
Herbet.
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