Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

I guess I'm not as sensitive to price as I am intent on acquiring what I need to achieve my goals as best I can. I always saw a computer as a tool to communicate with people and as a tool for my photography, I was never interested in building one. I've bought Macs because I wanted the shortest

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 2016-08-18 14:11 , John wrote: There are plenty of PRE-built Windoze systems that match Mac in terms of "slimmest, lightest, daintiest" and lack of expandability. For a given price point it seems like the only major difference is the Macs are all i5 processors and the Windoze machines are all

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Like I was told by a boss of mine - I won't bother you with the theory of bullets, but I ll give you enough ammo to get the job done. -Original Message- >From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature" > > > >Paul via phone > >> On

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Paul Stenquist wrote: Paul via phone On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:11 PM, John wrote: On 8/18/2016 3:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It has also been my personal experience that if I want to "just get things done", most of the time Linux boxes work that way from installation,

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Paul via phone > On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:11 PM, John wrote: > >> On 8/18/2016 3:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> It has also been my personal experience that if I want to "just get >> things done", most of the time Linux boxes work that way from >> installation, whereas it

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/18/2016 3:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote: John wrote: On 8/18/2016 1:02 AM, Larry Colen wrote: The only advantage of Windoze that I can see is it will install & run on just about anything, which means you don't need a PHD in computer science & 20 years programming experience to build a

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

John wrote: On 8/18/2016 1:02 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Larry Colen wrote: And for the record, I'm no Microsoft fanboy, I will voluntarily use a mac. I've bought one computer that came with Windows that I did not convert to Linux. But, when I bought that laptop sometime around 1991, I

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/18/2016 2:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 17, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: ...No matter what operating system you use, it is going to suck. ... I guess it's no wonder that you're not an operating system designer or implementor, eh?

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Actually, most of the narrative I wrote was told to me directly by Adele Goldberg (of Xerox PARC) in 1987, when I was applying for a position at her new venture outside Xerox (ParcPlace Systems). Adele is the primary source, not anyone at Apple. It was corroborated later by the other folks I

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/18/2016 1:02 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Larry Colen wrote: And for the record, I'm no Microsoft fanboy, I will voluntarily use a mac. I've bought one computer that came with Windows that I did not convert to Linux. But, when I bought that laptop sometime around 1991, I don't think that

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Just a nitpick, but the memoir is explicitly not in the public domain. It's publicly accessible (or at least parts of it are), but that's not the same thing. On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 01:01:23PM +0200, Henk Terhell wrote: > As a side issue, the relevant part of Kildall's memoir has been issued

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

More to the point, the primary source for those on the inside at Apple would be Steve Jobs, who was a virtuoso at spinning stories in such a way as to put Apple (and, of course, Steve Jobs) in the best possible light. I'd love to hear what Woz has to say about this, but he's pretty close

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

As a side issue, the relevant part of Kildall's memoir has been issued in the public domain, see The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/04/pc_pioneer_gary_kildalls_unpublished_memoir_revealed/ Interesting reading stuff there about the contacts of Bill Gates with Gary Kildall. Henk

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 17, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: ...No matter what operating system you use, it is going to suck. ... I guess it's no wonder that you're not an operating system designer or implementor, eh? The only OS that I wrote from the metal

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On Aug 18, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > I thought I might inject some information into this rapidly-becoming-insipid > thread of BS. From the mouths of the players involved: (snip) Thanks for posting that, it was very interesting. I should get around

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

What background are you referring to? I worked for Apple for a long time, off and on; I worked for a dozen other companies as well as for myself, independently, in a wide variety of positions. I'm not in any particular "camp." I just do my best to observe what's going on. G > On Aug 17,

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Thanks for giving us the insider's view from the Apple camp. Now if we only had someone to relay from the opposite camp, we may be enabled to judge credibility for ourselves. No offence intended to you, Godfrey, but given your background it's likely you're not completely objective in this case.

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 10:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > ...No matter what operating system you use, it is going to suck. ... I guess it's no wonder that you're not an operating system designer or implementor, eh? I don't find that operating systems universally suck at all.

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Larry Colen wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Different situation entirely. PCDOS was a very simple thing by comparison to the graphical UI Macintosh OS and didn't require hardly anything at all to write code for, other than a language and a code generator. It was an out of date computer

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Different situation entirely. PCDOS was a very simple thing by comparison to the graphical UI Macintosh OS and didn't require hardly anything at all to write code for, other than a language and a code generator. It was an out of date computer practically before it

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Didn't realize Cstalyst was as late as '85, so it didn't precede Mac. Should have kept my copy and my hot rod //GS. Paul via phone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 9:11 PM, John wrote: > > http://toastytech.com/guis/qcat.html > >> On 8/17/2016 8:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

http://toastytech.com/guis/qcat.html On 8/17/2016 8:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: No idea … I never worked with Apple II systems. They were already phased out in Developer Technical Support by the time I was inside the walls. G On Aug 17, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Paul Stenquist

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/17/2016 2:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote: John wrote: On 8/17/2016 1:34 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Pisses me off that Microsoft is trying to make the whole OS more Mac like, in some ways, mostly that aren't

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

The way I got the story when I worked at IBM in the 90s was that the IBM PC was a project secret even from IBM's management who thought it was going to be just a new terminal product to work with IBM's System/32 mini computers. The team from IBM who were developing the PC was interested in

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:02 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > > The thing about the IBM PC was that it was open architecture, you could build > any, and I do mean any, device for the BUS, and in the early days Microsoft > pretty much gave the OS away. I actually had a copy

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Quark Word Juggler was very popular among NY journalists when I arrived at Hearst in 1980. It came with a card you installed in a //+ or //e that expanded the character set. It was a far better solution than a C/PM box but more expensive as well. I used Word Juggler on a variety of Apple //s

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

No idea … I never worked with Apple II systems. They were already phased out in Developer Technical Support by the time I was inside the walls. G > On Aug 17, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Where does Quark fit into the picture? They sold a Mac-like shell

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/17/2016 2:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote: John wrote: On 8/16/2016 9:58 PM, Bill wrote: On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking my next computer

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

The thing about the IBM PC was that it was open architecture, you could build any, and I do mean any, device for the BUS, and in the early days Microsoft pretty much gave the OS away. I actually had a copy of QDos, which was pretty good, if you didn't expect to much. I worked on a couple of

RE: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

IIRC, Gates and Balmer bought a licence to CP/M, which had been the only really successful OS for microcomputers, apart from strictly proprietary ones such as that used by HP. Even so, it was all a bit mickey mouse until IBM steam-rollered into play with their IBM PC, which was basically

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > (Of course, Balmer and Gates had ripped off someone else's OS source > code in the first place (can't remember who's specifically at the moment) Seattle Computer Products. Not actually ripped-off, but licensed

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Where does Quark fit into the picture? They sold a Mac-like shell program for Apple //e and //c called Catalyst at least two years before there was a Mac. I used it. Given the way it bogged down the //c I ran it on, it was more novelty than anything else. But it was an interesting glimpse of

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Gonz wrote: > > Cool story, interesting players. Could be made into a movie! Sadly, all the movies made about SJ tend to focus on his personality defects and overdramatize his capriciousness and emotionality … because that's what sells,

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Cool story, interesting players. Could be made into a movie! The only things I find that don't fit my understanding are that Xerox didn't own any Apple stock but instead was given options to buy Apple stock in return for a peek at their PARC facilities. Plus Apple didn't give out dividends

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Very enjoyable. Every now and then you amaze and inspire me. Thanks for sharing. Paul via phone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> >> On 17 Aug 2016, at 19:13, John

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > > On 17 Aug 2016, at 19:13, John wrote: >> >>> On 8/17/2016 1:34 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, P.J. Alling >>> wrote:

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

mike wilson wrote: On 17 August 2016 at 02:58 Bill wrote: On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking my next computer

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

John wrote: On 8/16/2016 9:58 PM, Bill wrote: On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking my next computer might be a Mac, but then I try to make my

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

John wrote: On 8/17/2016 1:34 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Pisses me off that Microsoft is trying to make the whole OS more Mac like, in some ways, mostly that aren't helpful. Mickeysoft has been trying to make

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 17 Aug 2016, at 19:13, John wrote: > >> On 8/17/2016 1:34 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, P.J. Alling >> wrote: >>> >>> Pisses me off that Microsoft is trying to make the whole OS more Mac like, >>> in some

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/17/2016 1:34 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Pisses me off that Microsoft is trying to make the whole OS more Mac like, in some ways, mostly that aren't helpful. Mickeysoft has been trying to make their OSes more

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Both Apple and Microsoft built on ideas they brought with them from Xerox at Menlo Park. I'd root for Microsoft over Apple at every turn, but in the end, both OSes enables participation in PDML, so what's the deal. :-) Jostein Den 17.08.2016 19.34, skrev Bruce Walker: On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/17/2016 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 17 August 2016 at 02:58 Bill wrote: On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/16/2016 9:58 PM, Bill wrote: On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking my next computer might be a Mac, but then I try to make my iPad Pro do simple

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > > Pisses me off that Microsoft is trying to make the whole OS more Mac like, > in some ways, mostly that aren't helpful. Mickeysoft has been trying to make their OSes more Mac-like since Windows 1.0. And they miss

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

I'm not sure that's a good idea. Memory cards have finite read write cycles. Reformatting rewrites the entire data structure of the card, it doesn't erase the data areas to prolong the life of the card, one would have to use a special utility accomplish that. Erase all, should, and I say

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

If you can find someone who will fund me every time I format a card, let me know. I could use the income. On 8/17/2016 1:14 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: Apologies for veering off here, but I'm curious... Is there a well funded reason for formatting the memory card every so often? I know Macs

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

At least you can tell a PC what application to launch, or none at all, for a particular file type, without disabling a whole subsystem. Pisses me off that Microsoft is trying to make the whole OS more Mac like, in some ways, mostly that aren't helpful. On 8/16/2016 9:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Probably involves less writing to the card, so the card will last longer. On August 17, 2016 8:00:50 AM PDT, ann sanfedele wrote: >I always format any card I have in the camera (K-5) when it gets full >after I've uploaded everything to my pc - somewhere I read, or someone >I

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

I always format any card I have in the camera (K-5) when it gets full after I've uploaded everything to my pc - somewhere I read, or someone I respect told me it was better to format than tojust "delete all" - unless , of course, I decide I'd better keep the card asback-up. 90% of what I

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Formatting in the camera is a quick and easy way to erase the card. That's all. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:14 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: > Apologies for veering off here, but I'm curious... Is there a well funded > reason for formatting the

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Yosemite? Sheesh, doesn't anyone ever keep up to date with software updates > that I and my colleagues sweat our lives away trying to improve on things > with? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical ... ;-) I m with Rick,

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

I format only infrequently. I guess that's why I've been able to keep the Photo app shutdown. Paul via phone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: > > Apologies for veering off here, but I'm curious... Is there a well funded > reason for formatting the memory

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

> On 17 August 2016 at 02:58 Bill wrote: > > > On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and > > I have no intention of going back. > > > > Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking my next computer

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 16/8/16, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >Yosemite? Sheesh, doesn't anyone ever keep up to date with software >updates that I and my colleagues sweat our lives away trying to improve >on things with? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical ... ;-) Still on 10.8.5 and using my 2012

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Mac OS does not remove or free up any memory used by items in the trash can. So if you delete a file on the memory card on a Mac it still takes up space and cannot be overwritten. So either empty the trash on the computer or format the card in the camera to free up used space. Philip

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Apologies for veering off here, but I'm curious... Is there a well funded reason for formatting the memory card every so often? I know Macs leave a bit of crud in the file system whenever they get the chance, but surely the camera would ignore that? I don't think I have formatted a memory card

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Rick Womer wrote: Paul, that info seems to reside on the card, as it is lost when the card is formatted in the camera (at least with Yosemite here). Yeah, I ran into that problem too. I think this is the solution:

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/16/2016 7:49 PM, Rick Womer wrote: No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. Truthfully, I'm sometimes thinking my next computer might be a Mac, but then I try to make my iPad Pro do simple stuff (or stuff that should be

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

When you plug in a device with photo file on it photos will automatically open. When it does this look for a check box on the window header of the photos app. Uncheck the box and in future it will not automatically open Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 17/08/2016 11:26 AM,

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Yosemite? Sheesh, doesn't anyone ever keep up to date with software updates that I and my colleagues sweat our lives away trying to improve on things with? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical ... ;-) Photos has had this bug since it was released. I and several hundred others keep railing on

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

Paul, that info seems to reside on the card, as it is lost when the card is formatted in the camera (at least with Yosemite here). http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > You can choose what devices you wish to auto load from

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

No way. Had a series of PCs at work (Winblows 3.1 through XP Pro), and I have no intention of going back. http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Bill wrote: > On 8/16/2016 7:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: >> >> For the first time since I

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

You can choose what devices you wish to auto load from in Photo preferences. At least that's true in El Capitan and with the latest versions of Photo. Paul via phone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > For the first time since I installed Yosemite on it

Re: Mac Yosemite--"This is a bug, not a feature"

On 8/16/2016 7:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: For the first time since I installed Yosemite on it several months ago, I'm using my MacBook Pro for photo editing. (My home computer is still running 10.6.8). Whenever I put an SD card in the slot, Yosemite launches Photo, and one has to quit Photo