[RBW] Re: Waterford touch-up paints

2011-11-11 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Thanks for the info. I ordered some of each of the Waterford Hillborne colors (have orange bike now, getting green bike 1Q2012). BTW, the nice customer service person at Waterford e-mailed me upon receipt of my paint order to confirm that my frame was in fact Waterford-made. They are well awar

[RBW] Riv Membership

2011-11-11 Thread Mike
I think I missed something. I don't see any place on the RBW website where I can renew my Riv membership. Have they done away with it? Have they done away with the 5% refunds at the end of the year? Anyone know? thanks, mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

[RBW] Re: Waterford touch-up paints

2011-11-11 Thread Peter Pesce
Anyone know how far apart the Sam orange is between Waterford and Taiwan? I have a Taiwan Sam and I'd suspect the W'ford color is closer than anything else I could get. As for Riv selling touch up, the tail-of-two-Sam-oranges is a perfect example of why I don't think they would ever bother. The

[RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

2011-11-11 Thread stevef
Seller stresses in the ad that its a pre-production bike--I wonder, given the color and overall look if its a Prototype or precursor of the Atlantis, or a transitional test mule between the longlow and the Atlantis. The add is a little be schizophrenic to me--seller stresses its uniqueness, it'

[RBW] Re: Have you polished scratched Nitto?

2011-11-11 Thread William
At the Christmas gift steal like 8 years ago I ended up with a bench grinder. My work bench was small, so I never bolted it down. Now I have a bigger garage I was going to build a bigger workbench so I'll finally be able to mount it. Maybe I'll live with the Nitto scratched up until that inf

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Jay
Save your groaning, cussing anf huffing for climbing hills. Get one of a Kool Stop tire bead jack, one of these http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html#tirelevers Works great, 11 buck, Amazon has them. Jay On Nov 11, 1:58 am, Marc Schwartz wrote: > Tried mounting some 700c Challenge Parigi Robaix cl

[RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread John
One of my goals for 2012 will be to complete my first brevet - probably a 200K for starters. I need to add a bag to my Rambouillet. I'm thinking of starting with one bag - hoping that will be enough for this type of ride. Would you recommend a front bag or rear bag? I know the front bag would gi

Re: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 11/11/11 6:19 AM, John at lindbergj...@hotmail.com wrote: > One of my goals for 2012 will be to complete my first brevet - > probably a 200K for starters. I need to add a bag to my Rambouillet. > I'm thinking of starting with one bag - hoping that will be enough for > this type of ride. Would

Re: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I just set out on my 1st 300K last weekend, on a Saluki. I used a L'il loafer on a nitto mini front rack and a large Acorn saddlebag behind. I packed an extra baselayer and socks for when it would get colder/damper after Sundown, second pair of gloves, a spare tire, 2 spare tubes, 1st aid kit, lots

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread William
The key to mounting a super tight tire without using levers at all is getting down into the rim well. Some of the uber stiff Schwalbes and Continentals can be really challenging. Theres another video out there where he uses toe straps a few times around the tire to hold the bead down in the

[RBW] Re: Occupy S24O?

2011-11-11 Thread Jim Cloud
According to the WSJ, the Adjusted Gross Income required to be in America's top 1% (in 2008) was $380,354. If this is representative of most Rivendell owners, I need to find another group because I'm certainly not in the top 1%! Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Nov 9, 7:08 pm, Bruce Herbitter wrote: > M

Fwd: [RBW] Re: Occupy S24O?

2011-11-11 Thread David Blessing
Missed it by "that" much!! Begin forwarded message: > From: Jim Cloud > Subject: [RBW] Re: Occupy S24O? > Date: November 11, 2011 9:21:52 AM CST > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > According to the WSJ, the Adjusted Gross Income required to be in > Amer

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread rperks
As Bruce said, I would work backwards from the list or pile of stuff you will want to carry and then look to a set of bags that hold it in the places you will want it on the bike. My Roadeo is similar to the Rambouillet in design and I think it is safe to project some of my loading experience to y

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread William
This was my first year of brevet riding. I did 10 200k brevets and one 300k and a few 100k populaire permanents as training rides. I did all of them with just a medium sized traditional handlebar bag with decaleur, on either my A. Homer Hilsen or my Davidson go fast. That worked awesome, but

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread William
Also, depending on the group you ride with, some riders go with no bags at all. SFR has plenty of folks with jersey pockets and maybe a bento box. Find what YOU want to run and run that. For most civilized areas, you do not need to pack much food at all. The controls stop you where you have

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Esteban
Good advice so far. Everyone rides 200ks different - some pack like they're on a min-tour, others take almost nothing but gu packs and water. Here's what I would bring: very little. Wear wool and you won't need layers. On a cool day, a LS wool jersey (ie. Woolistic) with a wool t- shirt underne

Re: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Tim McNamara
On Nov 11, 2011, at 8:19 AM, John wrote: > One of my goals for 2012 will be to complete my first brevet - > probably a 200K for starters. I need to add a bag to my Rambouillet. > I'm thinking of starting with one bag - hoping that will be enough for > this type of ride. Would you recommend a fr

[RBW] Re: Opened a package today from Peter White.

2011-11-11 Thread Scotty
There is a small tab on the front of my Nitto rack and I just bolted it on using some hardware I found in my garage. Using the rack left me the exact amount of supplied wire that I needed. 1 centimeter shorter and I would have been making a trip to radio shack -- You received this message beca

Re: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

2011-11-11 Thread Tim McNamara
I *really* don't understand the problem people have with this ad, every time it comes up. It's not an Atlantis and has nothing to do with the Atlantis as far as I can tell. It's not an All-Rounder of the era. If it is indeed a test run of the Long Low (e.g. between prototype and production) t

Re: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 06:19 -0800, John wrote: > One of my goals for 2012 will be to complete my first brevet - > probably a 200K for starters. I need to add a bag to my Rambouillet. > I'm thinking of starting with one bag - hoping that will be enough for > this type of ride. Would you recommend

Re: [RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 08:01 -0800, Esteban wrote: > Here's what I would bring: very little. Wear wool and you won't need > layers. On a cool day, a LS wool jersey (ie. Woolistic) with a wool > t-shirt underneath will do everything you need. I wear Ibex wool > kinckers. If you want to go hobo-st

Re: [RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 08:01 -0800, Esteban wrote: >> Here's what I would bring: very little.  Wear wool and you won't need >> layers.  On a cool day, a LS wool jersey (ie. Woolistic) with a wool >> t-shirt underneath will do everything you

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Minh
this guy helped me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUFVrl0UT4 On Nov 11, 10:13 am, William wrote: > The key to mounting a super tight tire without using levers at all is > getting down into the rim well.  Some of the uber stiff Schwalbes and > Continentals can be really challenging. > > Theres

Re: [RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:44 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Esteban lives in southernish california. I think it's fair to say he > doesn't have to deal with large temperature changes or those pesky > 'seasons'. :) Well, there you go. As I said, a lot depends on where you are. Much also depends on w

Re: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

2011-11-11 Thread Greg J
While we're strolling down memory lane, I find it ironic that when Grant transitioned from Waterford to Joe S (and Curt G and other individual builders), he had to make a pretty hard sell. I think back then, many people, myself included, saw Waterford as the established and having the best man

Re: [RBW] Re: Long-low for sale in SF Craigslist

2011-11-11 Thread James Warren
I think what a lot of us who were following didn't know at the time was that the frames called Rivendell were moving up to a higher level. During and before the switch away from Waterford for the frames called Rivendell, the frames were not called custom. In hindsight, it is easy to see the hie

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread franklyn
John, I am in the Bay Area, but I find this is one of those places where temperature swing in a day can be quite drastic. In a place with cold weather, the temperature will likely stay low all day, but here, depending on where you go on the route, the temperature can go from the 30's to the 70's wi

[RBW] WTB Campy Bottom Bracket

2011-11-11 Thread William
I've got a kind of tricky chainline issue. I'm sure that a 103mm JIS taper, adjustable chainline BB would solve it, but that typically means Phil Wood and . I've heard that an ISO 102mm will also do what I want, and I'd like to try that out. So, if any of you have a Campy Chorus 68x102 s

RE: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Larry Powers
While I believe that my gigantic Berthoud handlebar bag is the best bag for randonneuring, I am not suggesting you go out and buy one right away. I road most of my early brevets with a Little Joe bag and a map holder on my handlebars. Use what you have because you may find that after riding a

Re: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread William
On the last brevet I discussed loading configurations with a very accomplished Rivendell rider who some of you know. He had switched his Hilsen from Handlebar bag to a saddlebag with one of those metal support dealies that bolt to the saddle rails (bagman?). He said that he dropped about 1.25

Re: [RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Anne Paulson
Esteban, you live in Southern California where there's not much weather, but does your plan even work for all the other randonneurs in your area, let alone places with more extreme weather? Today, it's raining in LA, the high is supposed to be 70, the low 50. Presumably a 200K is going to include

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Christian
I need a front bag that will allow me ready and constant access to fig newtons--my brevet fuel. My GB22 is just wide enough to hold a package. Seriously, I plan what I carry based on weather (temp, rain, sun, etc.) and availability of food--will there access to real food or just convenience store

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Aaron Thomas
Yes, I had difficulty mounting my first pair of Parigi-Roubaix. I even broke a steel-core tire lever in the process. But the struggle was worth it. They're awesome tires! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discuss

[RBW] Re: Winter Cycling Wear!

2011-11-11 Thread Montclair BobbyB
My "go-to" clothing in the Winter - Mix n match variety of wool and man-made layers: UnderArmour (heavy or thin, short sleeve or long, mock or turtleneck...depending on mercury) Smartwool socks (again, of varying thicknesses) Mountain HardWear Windstopper fleece jacket (WITH pit zips... a must in

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Bob
A few drops of dish soap in a few tablespoons of water, spread around the bead, never hurt nuthin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from th

[RBW] Re: Price reduced: FS: Size Medium Fargo, $1,250 plus shipping

2011-11-11 Thread Bob
A Citroën in the States? Is there any support for them there? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread rperks
Anne, I live and ride very near to the ride I suspect you are speeking of, Ventura, and wish I was going, but time, prior commitments etcWish the ride were Sunday I would do it with the ibex knickers, thin wool top, heavy wool top and my Patagonia Houdini. If the rain really does show up I ha

[RBW] Re: Price reduced: FS: Size Medium Fargo, $1,250 plus shipping

2011-11-11 Thread Joe Bernard
We have the internets. Support is a click away, and those owners work on them themselves. That's part of the appeal of the 2CV is that any idiot can keep em humming with basic tools. Kinda like the original Beetle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RB

Re: [RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Anne Paulson
I wasn't speaking of a particular ride. I live in the SF Bay Area and don't know anything about particular rides in Southern California. Most of us on this list, even beginner randonneurs, have a good notion of what clothing we need for various weather conditions, and of course it varies for all o

Re: [RBW] Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Tim McNamara
On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Larry Powers wrote: > While I believe that my gigantic Berthoud handlebar bag is the best bag for > randonneuring, I am not suggesting you go out and buy one right away. I road > most of my early brevets with a Little Joe bag and a map holder on my > handlebars.

[RBW] Re:

2011-11-11 Thread islaysteve
...meaning?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fK_K40xLfPIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. T

[RBW] Re: Occupy S24O?

2011-11-11 Thread Philip Williamson
A big jump in income and net worth comes in the top .5% and again at . 1%, where the money made isn't from 'work,' but from the working of money. I think the conflation of the 1% with the .1% makes it easy to argue at cross purposes. Graphs and charts from the hippie school I attended: http://socio

[RBW] Re: Occupy S24O?

2011-11-11 Thread William
In my list of favorite hippie-school graduates, Philip Williamson is in the top 1% -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zK6o2QWjFqMJ. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Price reduced: FS: Size Medium Fargo, $1,250 plus shipping

2011-11-11 Thread Bertin753
We actually have an informal Citroen club here in Abq, and I once saw a Traction Avant in Gallup. Patrick Moore Typed with one finger on my iphone On Nov 11, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Bob wrote: > A Citroën in the States? Is there any support for them there? > > -- > You received this message beca

Re: [RBW] WTB Dirt Drop Stem

2011-11-11 Thread Greg J
Andrew, I have a dirt drop stem that you can have. I don't think it's nitto, but it's a dirt drop stem, good enough for you to try out I think. I'm the guy you bought those 600 levers from. Let's set up a time and I can give you those ferrule(s) as well. Greg -- You received this message b

[RBW] Re: WTB Campy Bottom Bracket

2011-11-11 Thread William
I went ahead and ordered one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BXKMoi1422oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@

[RBW] Re: Winter Cycling Wear!

2011-11-11 Thread Ian Dickson
For context, I live in Fairbanks, Alaska. We've already had temperatures down to -10 this year, and I'll ride down to -20 or -30. Pants and tops are the easy part. Down to zero or a bit lower, I'm comfortable in a Sport Hill jacket and a single, medium-weight long-sleeved merino wool shirt. It

[RBW] FS: phil rear wheel, seatpost

2011-11-11 Thread erik jensen
All price listed OBO, need to move these things quickly. Local pickup preferred. Rich-built 40h Phil 7spd Freewheel Rear Wheel. I dropped the chain between the cogs and spokes, and so there are some kinks in 3 of the outer spokes. Hub is in perfect shape, so is the Mavic A719 rim. Don't need the w

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread benzzoy
On Nov 11, 8:01 am, Esteban wrote: > >  Front bag is always preferable.  Rear bag means > you'll get off the bike to access stuff. I don't know if I totally agree with that. Overall, yes, a front bag offers immediate access to all my goodies, but my one single experience riding a brevet wit

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Bill M.
The guy in the video misses one trick - it totally matters where you start. You want the very LAST bit of the bead you pull over the rim to be AT THE VALVE. The worst case is to finish opposite the valve, because that will prevent the bead from dropping into the 'well' of the rim. Start just lef

Re: [RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread cyclotourist
Bill, that may be the best trick I've heard of. For the last 30 years I've always finished opposite the valve, usually w/out problem, but occasionally a few curses. Will give it a try next time out! THANKS! On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Bill M. wrote: > The guy in the video misses one tric

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread benzzoy
On Nov 11, 8:37 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > Or, you could > be one of those people who ought to be Navy Seals, who can do just fine > at 36 degrees in a howling wind with nothing but short sleeve lycra > jersey and lycra shorts.  I am not one of those people. This reminded me of a Swiss chap I

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread William
I confess, looking tres cool is something to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CHAcHK3qOzwJ. To post to this group, send email t

[RBW] WTB: Miesha's Portuguese Tree Cork Grips Standard (Pair)

2011-11-11 Thread Kelly Sleeper
I have a new pair of these if they are what you are looking for. Did riv mention how long before they get more? If I can get another pair in a month or two you can have em. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/6335852999/ tkslee...@gmail.com Kelly -- You received this message because you a

[RBW] Re: Celebrity sighting on brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Adam
I On Nov 8, 7:05 am, William wrote: > I did the SFR Del Puerto Canyon Brevet last Saturday.  The ride on Del > Puerto Canyon Road was spectacular.  It has been a while since I did a 24 > mile continuous climb.  Fortunately it was only steep at the end, but dang > it was steep at the end.  Beautif

[RBW] Re: Celebrity sighting on brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Adam
I was one of Jay's companions on our S72O. It was an awesome adventure with some great friends, trails, roads, and even a bit of snow at the summit of Hamilton. Pictures tell the story- http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Adam On Nov 8, 7:05 am, William wrote: > I did the SFR Del Puerto Cany

[RBW] Re: Celebrity sighting on brevet

2011-11-11 Thread William
Looked like an epic weekend. Well done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aHb3MpKS3VAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-ow

[RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread Esteban
I'm lucky to live in San Diego, for sure. Winter rides start usually in the 40s and low 70s by mid-day, and the cool fog and chill of the coast yields to either the crisp or very warm mountains 50 miles from the ocean. Believe it or not, usually rain in the early brevets. Its not Florida. The P

[RBW] First Ride on New Saluki

2011-11-11 Thread Peter M
So went out for the first ride on the new saluki in rapidly approaching winter NY. This being my first ride in almost 5 months due to health issues(long story short I had dizziness and veritigo, turned out to be migraines, not MS or a Brain Tumor, thank god) I did about 10 miles and it felt awesome

[RBW] FS: Nitto Moustache Cockpit: Hanldebar, stem, levers, shifters, dummy levers

2011-11-11 Thread Michael
Hi I'm an Atlantis rider that recently switched from Moustache bars to Noodles. I think I've discovered that I'm a drop bar kind of guy so I'd like these bars to go to someone who will enjoy them. The cockpit includes everything needed to get going: 1x NItto Moustache Bar (25.4 clamp diameter) 1x

Re: [RBW] Re: Bag Recommendation for First Brevet

2011-11-11 Thread robert zeidler
Likewise, I'm heading to FL for a Jan 200k, mostly to keep my legs, escape the hideous NE winter. I'm going to run light as the food stops/controls are strategically spaced. 2 bottles, spares, and maybe a jacket depending on the forecast. I'm running (for that ride) a 69cm Titanium Serotta I was

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Cycling Wear!

2011-11-11 Thread robert zeidler
...and what's everybody doing to get some heat in their legs? I find this, even with some embro, to be a real problem below 40 deg. RGZ On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > My "go-to" clothing in the Winter - Mix n match variety of wool and > man-made layers: > > UnderArmo

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Frameset for sale

2011-11-11 Thread Michael
54.5 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Mh70ku9YeQkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubs

[RBW] WTB Bolt-On + High Flange Hubs

2011-11-11 Thread Smitty-A-Go-Go
I have no convincing explanation as to why I prefer bolt-on wheels over quick release. I've never heard a story of a QR failure. I've never had mechanical issues with QR myself. I just like bolts... I like how they look, I like to feel them tighten, I like their elemental mechanical simplicity.

[RBW] Re: Oy Vey, A Kiddy Rivvy!

2011-11-11 Thread Smitty-A-Go-Go
The Rock Hopper sounds perfect but a few years too early for my kids. I'd love to see pics of the Glorious. --Smitty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms

[RBW] Re: Challenge Parigi-Robaix tire mounting

2011-11-11 Thread Jay
Great tips here. I too always finish opposite the valve. Just to be clear, the Kool Stop thing is not a lever. It's a ... something else, designed specifically to mount tires without damaging anything. The link I posted above has a picture and a better explaination. Jay On Nov 12, 3:39 am, "Bill

Re: [RBW] Re: Occupy S24O?

2011-11-11 Thread CycloFiend
I hate to get all grumbly on a Friday evening, but economics and who-pays-what are pretty far afield from the focus of this group. Perhaps it's time to let this topic drift downstream? Thanks! - Jim / list admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you a

[RBW] Re: Riv Membership

2011-11-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
No changes have been announced that I've heard of. Might just be one of those things which didn't get linked up with the new system. I do recall mention being made when the site changeover was announced that the accrued rebate would not show up, but would be applied manually. The best option