I am increasingly disturbed by the taste coming from the large soft PET
bottles my DW arrives in. It is a good grade of DW, but I can taste
and smell some plastic in the water; this is the typical soft
translucent plastic used for milk. I distrust it enough that I just
got a stovetop
List,
I followed the discussion of frequency and resonance with some
interest, and would like to suggest a source that may be helpful to
many persons: Y. Omura, M.D.
Much of Omura's work is available online. Google a bit and you will
find his English page. It is in the archives also;
I would recommend experimenting with a product called EM1, invented by
Dr. T. Higa of Okinawa. Check online and you will find US suppliers.
Also Google Vinny Pinto, who provides lots of free online resources.
EM will create an environment in which the mold will be unable to
thrive and
David,
Perhaps you are right. If so, the spam software is very
sophisticated and mimics a human awareness of the recipient's interests.
JBB
On Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004, at 21:13 Asia/Tokyo, David Bearrow wrote:
I don't think it is a diabolical person who is on the list that is
attacking
I recently received an interesting e-mail with and attachment. The
content of the message suggested to me the sender had some ideas about
my research interests, including flax oil, which I have discussed
nowhere but this list.
I was interested by the message, read it several times,
Mike,
Thanks for the helpful suggestions, especially about the throw-away
e-mail addresses.
Baffling that someone using the list would be motivated to tailor-make
infected messages, as several of us have evidently received. I am
glad to hear, though, that my observations seem to
Denis,
For me, the Ivory bar soap works quite well. Very inexpensive at
Costco. . .
JBB
On Tuesday, Aug 3, 2004, at 13:49 Asia/Tokyo, Dennis Gulenchin wrote:
Jonathan, do you mean the bar soap or liquid hand soap?
Dennis.
Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
I noticed also a tremendous
I noticed also a tremendous improvement in my gums from brushing with
Ivory. It's been many months now, and like Paul H., I find that the
need for flossing is greatly reduced, and there is no unpleasant odor
as was routine when using regular toothpaste.The results are really
test
JBB
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We find the very same sort of near-criminal law enforcement in the case
of altcancer.com.
The facts are going to emerge, little by little, until eventually the
majority of educated persons will realize the extent of the systemic
abuse of health freedoms. There are some real heroes out
Dr. Tiller of Stanford has a new book out this year about consciousness
and conditioned spaces; it purports to prove the reality of thought
influence on space. On researcher has tried to replicate the results
and claims failure. But at a glance, Tiller's laboratory and controls
appear to
I may be mistaken, but a key problem with the vegetable oils may be
that they are partially hydrogenated. This method of increasing
shelf life apparently causes many health problems. Almost all
commercially available vegetable oils are processed this way.
On Wednesday, Jul 14, 2004,
List members interested in homeopathy may wish to contact:
Savely Yurkovsky i...@yurkovsky.com
Dr. Yurkovsky has written a book about homeopathy, kinesiology, and
bioterrorism. It is available through his web site or on amazon.com
The book has a nice blurb by Dr. Tiller of Stanford U.
I and others have reported similar reactions on initial use of CS. In
my case it was quite unpleasant, a cold yet burning sensation that I
imagine must be what ulcer sufferers feel. I speculate that the CS was
killing some pathogen, as the effect disappeared after several uses.
Others
List,
The latest Harper's magazine has a FINE essay about the decline in
America's public health system. Essential reading for list members,
methinks.
Note in particular mention of a certain water-borne cyst,
Cryptosporidium (sp?) that is common and very powerful and can be
removed from
, and the recent discussion of nebulzing, is very
important indeed and may save some of us, our families, and our loved
ones.Knowledge is power -- we hope.
JBB
On Sunday, Jul 4, 2004, at 15:58 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
List,
The latest Harper's magazine has a FINE essay
I recently had news that Greg Caton, of altcancer.com, was finally
released from prison after many months, and will be sentenced soon. I
have been told that all the facts about his arrest and incarceration
will eventually be made available. As to whether the fine products of
Recently a gentleman with a medical degree wrote about a long-ago cure
of TB using an orgone accumlator.
Would that person be kind enough to reply directly to this message?
I wish to discuss the topic off list.
JBB
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Japan involving some kind of silver nitrate needle that broke off
inside a patient, causing a poisoning death. I was surprised by this
and posted the information here.
Some members on this list verified that silver
to us.
On Saturday, Jun 12, 2004, at 22:18 Asia/Tokyo, Garnet wrote:
You can still buy Tryptophan OTC, for horses. I also order it from
Canada. www.fludan.com
I agree with you assesment of the situation though. Follow the money.
Garnet
On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 01:43, Jonathan B. Britten wrote
I was re-reading Rob Faigin's excellent book Natural Hormonal
Enhancement yesterday, and noted his claim that shortly after
tryptophan was taken off the market -- because of one toxic batch from
Japan -- the product was made into a prescription-only drug for
insomnia and tension.
I had not
It is a pleasure to hear someone saying good things about the late
Wilhelm Reich's work.It is nearly incomprehensible that this very
interesting man died in an American prison, on charges that, based on
my understanding, were clearly false.Imagine: his books were
actually burned. In
wrote:
Jonathan,
Please explain. How does disclosure prevent patenting with trivial
changer,
by a competitor.
JOH
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSPATENTS
One final point: many small companies now routinely, and very
publicly, DISCLOSE their new products, in great detail, precisely so
that said products can NOT be patented by a competitor! They do not
want to pay royalties to someone else for something that they already
make and use in
Thanks again.
From your reply I understand that the simplest way for a layman to
concentrate a particulate solution, then, would be the add salt and
decant method described in the archives.
I have had no need to do this but perhaps someday. For now, the
simple Silvergen CS mixed with
There have, however, been a few inspiring cases in which small
inventors have won HUGE damages. In one case, a mechanic won big bucks
from Sears, which had infringed on his patent for a certain kind of
Craftsman tool.The infringement was, as I recall, quite deliberate
and cynical, as the
As always, Frank Key is a priceless resource for those of us with
limited scientific experience.
NB that the methods below would conceivably enable even a layman to
decant nearly pure ionic/colloidal solutions. Seems to me that in the
freezing method, for example, one could confirm the
10 ppm in an eyecup worked wonders for two daughters. Astoundingly
fast recovery. Periodically praying mist in eyes also works to
prevent reinfection.
JBB
On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 02:34 Asia/Tokyo, Gladys Williams wrote:
Hey List- A friend's daughter has pink eye
in bothe eyes.
Yes, this is right, and I suggest that members just memorize CHINESE
wormwood. The WHO reports indicate that the toxicity is almost
negligible.
JBB
On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 23:01 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:
For the record Artimisinin, an extract of Chinese wormwood (artemesia
List,
As I posted recently, the WHO is now moving rapidly toward the use of
Chinese wormwood as the primary means of malaria treatment. I do not
know if it is also prophylactic, but it is said to be superior to all
other treatments. I urge a Google check, as wormwood seems to be the
, and continue
for
21 - then a week off, and start again for 3 months to get all the
generations as they breed. Some health shops forget to tell you this -
it's important to know to optimize the investment in a parasite
cleanse.
Christine
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
Regarding environmental poisoning, I have read the the McDonald's mass
murderer, James Oliver Huberty, a career welder, was found on autopsy
to have had severe heavy metal poisoning as a result of his work; the
speculation is that this toxic state contributed to his violently
unbalanced
List,
Interesting report in yesterday's newspaper: the WHO is approving a
kind of Chinese wormwood for worldwide treatment of malaria. The
wormwood has proven more effective than any other drug at eliminating
the parasites in the blood. It will be given in a cocktail to
discourage
And I am STILL feeling miserable about the loss of a friend who died at
32 of stomach cancer. She never did try the CS, alas, but did do the
chemotherapy even though the doctors gave her no chance whether she
took it or not.Her husband now is a single father of a little girl
not yet a
A fairly new material, polyamide microfiber, may work well. I am
eager to try it.It works very well on many surfaces but I have yet
to try it on electrodes. Home experimenters? The material is sold
widely; I got mine at Costco.
JBB
On Tuesday, May 4, 2004, at 21:11
In this regard, those who follow nanotechnology will know that ENORMOUS
interest is generated by various nano-tech proposals for new ways to
deliver drugs to to various sites in the body. My layman's reading
suggests that DMSO is capable of doing many of the tasks that a variety
of novel
Wayne and others:
All persons interested in horticulture can benefit from learning about
Essential Microorganisms of Dr. Teruo Higa of Okinawa. His books are
entitled Earth Saving Revolution One and Two. Check amazon. There
are several EM websites you can find also.
JBB
On Monday,
Shirley,
I think that you can others who have used Cancema successfully might
also give thanks to Greg Caton of altcancer.com; list I heard, he was
STILL in jail, after being arrested in September. The FDA needs to
know that thousands of successful Cancema users are watching and
awaiting
online.
JBB
On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 16:28 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
Shirley,
I think that you can others who have used Cancema successfully might
also give thanks to Greg Caton of altcancer.com; list I heard, he was
STILL in jail, after being arrested in September
I have read extensively about this topic, and thought I knew most of
what is known, but was astounded to read recently that the PNG
tribesmen may well have been given their disease by Japanese military
researchers during WWII. This report claimed that there were no cases
of Kuru before the
Many germs do fight one another; this is the basis of antibiotics.
JBB
On Thursday, Apr 29, 2004, at 12:21 Asia/Tokyo, John Rigby wrote:
Hi folks,
It is extremely hard to put aside on's conditioning. That's why I like
to listen to the very young. 9-13 is a magic time, old enough to
Garnet,
If DMSO really does carry CS through the dentin, this method is crucial
prophylaxis for anyone who has had a root canal. I use the method
myself based on my hope that it works, but have never seen research to
establish its efficacy in moving through the tooth. Have any? Thanks
in
Garnet,
Thanks for this.
Pity the poor rodent.
Other rodents have suffered to show that beta glucan is also a powerful
anti-toxin. People in the bioterrorism field consider beta glucan an
important all-purpose prophylactic/therapeutic agent.In time it may
become THE substance to take
I love these quotations, and the Fuller quotation in particular
corresponds entirely with my observations. Lovely ideas!
JBB
On Tuesday, Apr 20, 2004, at 16:23 Asia/Tokyo, Christine Carleton wrote:
William
All beings have divine energy. Marshall knows CODEX is not freedom to
choose
Thanks, I will do some research when time permits, and am always glad
to learn something new.All the same, I think we can NEVER go wrong
in discussing all the caveats, given the wide range of list member
knowledge and lack thereof.I myself have had splendid results with
H202 orally
I share Ron's concern. Brooks Bradley has posted a recipe for
CS/MSM/DMSO; R. Harris has mentioned these ingredients with the
addition of H202. I wonder whether Ron's concerns are valid.
Given the painful reaction of H202 on excessive bacteria in the mouth,
I think he is quite
Sandra,
I think Ron's caveat is hardly nonsense, and I applaud him for posting
his concerns. The dilution is of course important, but we should
always be aware of the possibility of some bad reaction.
JBB
On Friday, Apr 16, 2004, at 09:00 Asia/Tokyo, Sara Mandal-Joy wrote:
This is
I have it from a supplier of fine essential oils that the good effects
of oregano oil on the lungs, with inhalation, is well-documented in
Turkish medical literature. There is some data on that at Appalachian
Products. This is worth careful consideration.
On Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004,
Japan has far too many cedar trees as a result of government-sponsored
monoculture. The result in an annual epidemic of allergic reactions
affecting a large portion of the population.News shows sometimes
depict the waves of pollen coming off the forests; this is shown like
a weather
I second the motion. EIS is a useful term and perhaps we should
promote it.CS plays into the hands of the argyria scaremongers.
Let us make them use our terminology and then see what evidence they
can produce.
JBB
On Tuesday, Apr 13, 2004, at 19:10 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE
A company called Desti Labs has a nice-looking distiller for under 300
bucks. The ones below are inexpensive but lack the cooker, and
seem to be all glass, meaning that they would be fragile. The Desti
has glass tubes inside staineless steel, and is reputed to last a
lifetime.
On
If Mr. Anderson is still on the list, would he be kind enough to
contact me directly?
Apologies for taking up bandwidth for this but I have misplaced his
contact information.
At one time he had a very good supply of low-cost beta glucan from New
Zealand, which others on this list may wish
Many of the molecular structures that confer function in food systems
are inthe nanometer range. These materials have traditionally been
studied by establishedcolloid and interface science methods. New
molecular information on these structuresand, in particular, the
structure
Also for you serious colloidal scientists:
http://www.deas.harvard.edu/projects/weitzlab/research/csome.html
Thomson's problem solved? You guys would know. . . .
JBB
On Sunday, Apr 4, 2004, at 17:54 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Many of the molecular structures that confer
In this regard, the admirable altcancer.com remains in limbo, but the
web site is back, under their own domain name, for information purposes
only. That seems a step in the right direction.
Please check the site for a warning about bloodrootproducts.com, which
allegedly is selling
Methinks this is ENTIRELY relevant to the CS list.
There is not a shred of logic in the recent Congressional legislation,
which clearly was designed by pharmaceutical companies, and foisted on
the people by Senator Frist, who has a huge conflict of interest as
owner of millions of dollars
Read it and weep. . . .
http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/articles/431feat2.html
30-50% compliance with hand-washing rules in hospitals. . .
JBB
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Just a note that gelatin is made of animal components. I do not know
the exact process, but do have some vague concerns about the processing
methods, given worries about prions, especially in cattle.
If anyone knows that this concern is invalid, I would be glad to learn
about that.
JBB
could take these two amino acids
and
avoid the gelatin altogether. It is largely undigestible protien
anyway
so not as much benefit as one might think just reading the nutritional
info.
Garnet
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 00:26, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Just a note that gelatin is made of animal
Here is the link that shows MD is correct:
http://www.gmap-gelatin.com/how_made.html
JBB
On Tuesday, Mar 30, 2004, at 15:50 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
Skins and bones is correct, I believe, and this is the concern. MBM
-- meat and bone meal -- was part of the reason
List,
Bet some of the scientists in Japan are watching this list!
Check out:
http://www.smm.co.jp/b_info_E/b09_E.html
Sumitomo is one of the VERY big players in Japan. . . .
JBB
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Garnet,
I am not entirely certain that a dead tooth, even one in which the
blood supply and nerve have been destroyed during a root canal, can
not be regenerated by using CS and DMSO. I say this primarily because
of the return of nerve sensation in on of my own teeth.It sounds
very
This interesting site suggests similar shenanigans r.e. vitamin C.
This is a good link to bookmark:
http://www.orthomed.com/
JBB
On Tuesday, Mar 23, 2004, at 21:29 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:
IT was William Randolph Hearst [newspaper and pulp processing...owned
vast forests in
Something to ponder: on the dmso web site linked below, Dr. Stanley
Jacobs wrote:
In 1965, when the FDA halted evaluation of DMSO in the
United States, they had data in their files on more
than 100,000 patients submitted by approximately 1,500
physicians in our country showing safety and
that their system is being rigged in some
fashion.
JBB
On Monday, Mar 22, 2004, at 20:17 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Something to ponder: on the dmso web site linked below, Dr. Stanley
Jacobs wrote:
In 1965, when the FDA halted evaluation of DMSO in the
United States, they had data
Thanks, Mike. That sounds like a plausible explanation.
JBB
On Monday, Mar 22, 2004, at 17:42 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:
To me it is interesting that we can not say, in this case, that the
big pharmaceuticals were the sole agents for stopping approval of
DMSO for most approved
Thanks for this, Mr. Harris.
I think it would be helpful if people -- such as you -- who have many
years of experience -- would publish more information that makes clear
the extent to which the FDA has abused its powers in some instances.
The key word is experience; you have a lot of that,
This was a very interesting message. Do you have any links or
information about the Sony camera? I am curious about the claim of
government interference in particular.
Also, are you sure about the prefix syn? I am wondering about your
etymological explanation below. I have never heard
From a layman's point of view, I think one of the most important
points about particles vs. ions came from a posting by Frank Key
himself.
Mr. Key argues that the particles are the main therapeutic component of
EIS brews, and observes that most home generators make some particles
and lots
One question for Mr. Key about the ionization of silver particles:
I can accept that there is no known mechanism for silver particles to
be converted to ions in vivo. However, if I understand the use of
Silverlon bandages, particulate silver is converted to silver ions on
the surface of the
Regarding profits and the laws of the USA:
The US Senate has just passed a bill that, among other provisions,
explicitly EXCLUDES all imported or re-imported medicines from those
which are purchased with funds provided for medical payments by the
government.
This clearly serves only the
List,
Off topic, but I need to ask a favor: my long-term supplier of Life
Extension Powder is having second thoughts about overseas sales, due to
some troubles with customs in some countries. Accordingly, I am
looking for a new, deep-discount supplier of LEF powder to mail to
Japan.
A non-engineer's quick question: is a user at risk of electrocution
with a high-voltage plasma unit?
I am familiar with plasma generation of ozone, via the SOTA web site.
I had no idea that plasma (which I understand only dimly) could be used
to generate colloids.Perhaps a few other
be in the mix for soot, started making it. But
it is
even weirder than that, old soot, which initially contained none of it,
started having it as well once the chemists all believed it should be
there.
Reality can really be weird sometimes.
Marshall
Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
List,
Someone
indeed.
paula
Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
BTW, I can not help but wonder whether the fraudulent fusion
experiments some years ago might have been a case of the
conditioning that Tiller described. I wonder what happened to
those scientists who claimed the table-top cold fusion
On the left side of a Google search, the sites are linked by number of
hits. These are not paid listings, which are on the right side.
Quackwatch is in the number two spot. If there is any funny business
going on, it would have to involve some kind of program that repeatedly
hits
List,
Someone posted links to a group that promotes a method of emotional
therapy. Dr. Tiller of Stanford was a speaker at one of their
seminars, and he is well known for scientific research on the
influence of intention on physical reality.
In making colloids and such, it seems to be
I can say this: Vinny provides an extraordinary site full of
first-rate information about Dr. T. Higa's Essential Microorganisms.
I know of no other English-language site that provides what he does,
for free, though he does request donations, and I think he earns
whatever he gets.I
Mike,
To be honest, I am merely quoting an expert quoted in Barron's, and
carried in the Daily Yomiui here in Japan. I have no expertise in
commodities, though the silver/housing ratio certainly caught my eye.
To this layman, though, the salient point not mentioned in the
article is
List,
Some discussion of silver investments has come up recently. I read
today an interview in which a noted analyst pointed out the following:
In 1980 you could buy the average family house for 1,500 oz. of silver.
Today it would take 40,000 oz. of silver.
There are a number of ways of
List,
Some members will be interested in the following, from Butch Owen of
Anatolian Treasures, r.e. oregano oil, which is almost certainly a
good product to keep on hand next to one's silver generator. Here
goes:
JBB
I'll point out the major differences in Origanums again ..
Use blackstrap molasses to make EM1 for human consumption, and THEN
you will be at the cutting edge of probiotics!
The guru in the USA is Vinny Pinto, who provides wonderful free
information; you can learn everything on his sites.The first to
check for more advanced information on EM
Ian,
Is polystyrene related to styrofoam, the packing material?I am
surprised to read of polystyrene having a therapeutic use.
JBB
On Tuesday, Mar 9, 2004, at 08:46 Asia/Tokyo, Ian_Ontario wrote:
Hi Mike:
Potassium is integral in the function of cells, especially muscular
Hello,
I do not know anything about the companies cited below, and I am
impressed by the apparent knowledge of the person who advised purchases
of the mining company. I do not mean to impugn the author or the
advice. All the same, I would suggest caution: the pump and dump
psychology
Another point about which to be cautious: the claimed sale of millions
of gallons of CS to the Army does not mean much. All legitimate
government sales are conducted by competitive bids, and the one-time
sale does not guarantee the next sale. If there is a buck, there
will be many
Well said!
It seems rather clear to me that the statements are intended to
generate excitement and boost the stock price, methinks.Of course,
some people will make money, that is for sure. . . .
On Thursday, Mar 4, 2004, at 00:17 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:
That the
I have followed the advice on the link and am very, very impressed. I
see slow and steady gum regeneration, a big surprise. I think a bar
of Ivory soap is more effective than even the best dentifrice I ever
used, AlphaOmega dentifrice, which is between 10 and 12 dollars for a
small
lef.org specifically mentions oil of oregano as a powerful alternative
antibiotic. (They make no mention of CS, incidentally.) A site
called Anatolian Treasures has good prices on oil of oregano; the
owner claims he gets the best oils directly from Turkey. I recall
the prices being
http://www.av-at.com/prices.html
See for yourself. . . .
JBB
On Monday, Mar 1, 2004, at 11:09 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
lef.org specifically mentions oil of oregano as a powerful
alternative antibiotic. (They make no mention of CS, incidentally.)
A site called Anatolian
Regarding mycoplasma:
In one account of the end of the first Gulf War, Colin Powell, then
the commanding officer, was so appalled by the carnage on the road out
of Kuwait that he called off US air strikes, though certainly not
before an incredible slaughter had taken place. In another
Cindy,
I would start with the Budwig diet. I have found more persuasive
testimonials about this simple preventive and therapeutic diet than
almost any other single approach.I would not wait a moment, but
get going on this, then proceed with careful selections from the
ASTOUNDING range
In regard to Tom's point below, I would say that in some cases, it is
almost baffling that people stay with MD's who say, from the start,
that there is absolutely no hope, and that the patient will be dead in
six months.My personal response would be to walk out and find
someone else.
It may have been Marlys who directed me to the Bill Henderson book,
which I passed along to my friend with the now-deceased wife.
Although my friend did not follow the advice to abandon chemo, he
found the book a priceless reference, and followed many of the
protocols, including
doses of chemo. Maybe we should all have an annual
AMAS test. Does anyone know the lab cost?
TJ Garland, CMO supplier
there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list
It may also be worthwhile to check out herbal remedies, including
bloodroot; there are some astonishing photographs which show
application of bloodroot to skin above breast cancer, and the progress
of the movement of the cancer to final expulsion. I believe these
photographs represent a
Marlys,
Please see:
http://www.cancersalves.com/Case1.html
Although the image is a bit unpleasant, I believe it honestly depicts
the effects of bloodroot on cancer.There are many products
available, including simple bloodroot tinctures.I believe that the
herb selectively destroys
I believe that you can trust the people at SOTA Instruments; I do.
Their unit might be the best buy; they have a very liberal upgrade
policy also.
On Thursday, Feb 19, 2004, at 09:40 Asia/Tokyo, SilverTedEBear wrote:
Thanks William,
That's what I was concerned about. I emailed the
Life Extension Foundation has, in recent years, won a major First
Amendment victory over the FDA, which sought to preclude LEF from
providing links to peer-reviewed articles that clearly indicated a
variety of health benefits from using products available at lef.org.
I do not know all the
List,
A friend passed away from stomach cancer a few days ago. It was a
profoundly moving and graceful death coming six months after the
diagnosis.I have a few things to say that may be useful to list
members.
1) I have no idea whether CS would have been of any use; the young
woman
Jan,
Yours is a generous offer, and it makes clear that in the long run,
efforts to keep the public in the dark about legitimate health claims
are not likely to succeed. However, it is my observation that the FDA
has been able to do some arm-twisting in nearby Canada, and it may be
that
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