I was not aware that there was an Icon 2 poem contest.
This is a good start.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Icon 2
I never have won a contest...
I never fly contests...
There is nothing that I wish to contest.
I fly for the pure fun of it and
Hrm , dumb question but why not update the server O/S?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The time is now for the end of RCSE.
RCSE has been around forever in Internet years, since the 90's. I can't
even remember when it started. Some of the online stuff
Now this is really cool:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7577493.stm
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I'm looking into renting an RV for the annual Visalia Fall Fest. I
remember there is a rental Company that
will bring the RV out and pick it up after the contest. Can someone
refresh my memory as to the name
of the Company?
TIA
David Zucker
Vice-President
Pismo Beach Soaring Society
RCSE
I'm trying to see if anyone would be interested in a Futaba 14MZ 72 NIB
at a 30% discount + shipping and sales tax off the
retail $2199 price. That's around a $700.00 savings.
Let me know as this deal may go away quick.
David Zucker
PBSS
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Have you converted your AVA to 2.4G, and you are not sure what to do with
the old pod? Why not sell it to me?
Please contact me off line - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Lachowski, will my RCSE subscription follow me to my new E-Mail addess or
do I re-subscribe ?
Regards, Dave Corven.
Now on to something that I SHOULD be upset about. I just got an email from
AARPHOLY C**P...isnt that the sign of the
coming apocalypse?
Oh man, it's just prostrate exams and midnight trips to the bathroom from here
on out.
Uhhh, you're not prostrate for a prostate exam. That's the other
Performance' award.
Download the flyer at:
http://www.granitegliderguiders.org/g3/docs/GliderFest2008.pdf
Charge 'em up, and bring 'em out,
David
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That would be interesting. It could force short tows even in conditions that
are nominal. It's also good discipline for learning short launches and low
alt recovery.
I think the added man power requirement and potential for human error would
kill this if you added a launch time keeper at each
Fuselage will do. I prefer Red, but I will live with any color, sine this
is only temporary until my 2.4 friendly fuse comes.
I am looking to pay $150 to $200 depending on condition and color.
Thanks,
David Klein
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They typically come charged right out of the package however like any
battery you should be checking them to ensure that each cel is up to par. I
would trickle and discharge twice and check to make sure you are within 10%
of the rating.
DW
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Robert Samuels [EMAIL
, then the pilots, then the pothers involved.
Thanks,
David Klein
if the rumor that there will no longer be any glider racing at the Big Creek
slope site true? I guess it's because of the serious accident that took
place during the last Man on Man race sponsored by the Northern California
Slope
Craig,
You've got to be kidding!
David
Craig Allen wrote:
. Did you really do that much better with your prissy $2,000 Icon than
if you had practiced with your $100 Oly2 ???
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The top pilots get to fly all the nice planes and they can and do pick the one
they like the most. With their skills why would we not want to know what they
like?
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Brian said it best, the top guys, heck every body reading this forum, will tend to chose the models to fly that
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timing?
Check it out.
Thanks JoJo,
David
http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/wc/sporyapi2008.wmv
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focus is
not on being 'competitive'. The only XC I've done has been for LSF tasks.
Interested? - Please contact me directly via email.
Thanks,
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. On Sunday you could meet DLG teams from Brazil and
New Zealand (life of the party x 10), Soaring Legend from Canada Arend Borst
(great flying man), 2 x F3J WC Australian David Hobby, and another soaring
legend from the F3b and F3F scene Norwegian Espen Torp. Dude, the rest of
the crazy awesome pilots
While we are on the same err kind of same topic I would publically like to
thank the bonhead who donated the tow equipment into my bag at the end of
the F3J in the Rockies contest. TSA at Denver Airport make me dissasemble my
entire Backpack to get a closer look at the stakes contained in it. I
As an actual practitioner of Jewish/ Scottish Hoodoo I would recommend that
you be careful of what or who you say is or maybe cursed I tried to
Curse Mr Perkins last weekend and in some weird twist of fate I think I came
in last in Denver. I will have to take a hoodoo refresher course.
DW
be improving it's function
in the future.JR announced this back in February. I called the LHS owner
and he placed an order for 2 in March.
The release date kept getting pushed back but it's finally appeared. I
like it so far.
Dan Field wrote:
David
Is this DataSafe 2 ?I guess I could go
Darwin, I think your answer lies in the unique qualities and general low
numbers of the soaring communities.
INMHO I think the lack of Soaring adoption into 2.4 occurs for a few
reasons that follow but are not limited to:
The standard TX for many soaring enthusiasts is the Sanwa / Airtronics
such as Hotmail and AOL
are generally NOT in text format
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Larry you make a lot of reasonable points as always. I am going to give
Sanwa the time they requested to produce the first stage of the Stylus
replacement (the 2.4 module) and having failed that will be looking at JR. I
have no issues with Futaba but I have to state that data logging really
thought I would try getting around this by building an
inverted aero model, using inverted airfoils, and an inverted tail. It is
not running properly. I will try to rebuild the model, and try again.
Is there an easier way to run negative lift load cases?
Thanks,
David
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thread
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them with Excel or Matlab.
Thank You,
David Klein
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YES he is and they still rock.
order direct and save yourself some time...
http://www.servoframes.com/
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Klaus Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Folks.
Does anyone know if Craig Greening is still manufacturing servo mounts. I
have sent him several emails, to
The fact is King County requires all pilots to have AMA membership. Even if
you fly on 2.4. Even if you fly a 1 oz electric plane made of foam. Even if
you fly a glider. These are the facts. No AMA and you are breaking the rules
if you fly at 60 acres.
-- Original
I think the LSF needs a new task for level 5, just for Gordy. The POP OFF
task. We'll let Gordy defign the task and we all get to vote on it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi guys,
I have to run over to Malasia for a week or so prior
I am using enloope's in a 4 cell pack in all my contest planes ( 2 Perfects
and a Shadow). I am using airtronics 761's and JR 368's servo's. They charge
out in all cases right on the money and it would appear that I use up about
500 Mah per hour or in Voltage reading they come off the charger at
The size and weight of the electrics flying at 60 acres south has been growing
steadily. I have seen 5+ lb electrics flying there in the past month. The
Heli's are also getting larger. I have seen several 600 size heli's flying at
60 acres. Its only a matter of time before a 28 lb 30%
Just thought I'd post this. Should be out in mid May. I've had mine on
order since March. Horizon
keeps pushing back the release date. Great deal and you can share setups
via e-mail.
Cool.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA310
David
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You have summarized what I posted about 2 years ago regarding this radio.
People keep posting that it is suitable for TD and DLG's but really its not
at all. You may be able to find a way to attain a pre set camber position.
IMHO this is not acceptable because camber is like a musical instrument
Hopefully somebody that knows what they're doing. Getting the bugs out
may be the reason the release date keeps getting pushed back.
Rob Davis wrote:
I wonder who's doing the software dev? Any idea?
Rob
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Does anyone have a used F3b winch for sale? I just bought a new one, and so
did a buddy, but he wants a cheap second. Anyone have one for sale.
Thanks,
David
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that is only just now being matched by JR and Futaba.
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Uncluded is a new word for me. I hope it isn't the opposite of included.
:-)
Anker
David Webb wrote:
If you subscribe to the airtronics forum they will tell you
in years
but I also remember you could program v-tail diff.
JT, if your out there ping me. I lost all my e-mail contacts a couple
weeks ago. I also lost all my Stylusboy input and I had a ton.
Help,
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I figured the setup out I was confusing my Stylus(simple) with my JR
9303(wtf) programming. ;-)
If anyone would like you could fill me in on the 9303 v-tail
programming, so if I ever come up to speed, I'll know
how it's done.
Thanks,
David
No flames please, I'm just having fun
David Zucker
out I was confusing my Stylus(simple) with my JR
9303(wtf) programming. ;-)
If anyone would like you could fill me in on the 9303 v-tail
programming, so if I ever come up to speed, I'll know
how it's done.
Thanks,
David
No flames please, I'm just having fun
season myself. I would LOVE to
stick with my stylus but my local flying flield is too close to another club
so 2.4 is a must and soon.
David Webb
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I dropped by the Airtronics booth at Toledo hoping to find out if the
spread
I have already posted email to the entire list and made a personal call.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Paul Rickie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
RCSE, ALL! For the sake of our RC Soaring community VIA SASS, have you
posted King County Council Members yet !!?? You do intend to, don't
Dave, not all applications can take advantage of the second third or even
4th core in todays CPU's. When looking at minimum requirements it can be
wise to consider the overall speed of each core as the max CPU speed you may
utilize.
In general games are notoriously bad at utilizing second +
information please refer to our RCGroups thread at
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818610 . Chime in so we can
cooperate on food planing, and carpools.
Most of our pilots are not RCGroups regulars, so I expect about 15 pilots to
attend.
See You Guys there,
David Klein
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David
I can't find this content on the history channel web sitesomeone PVR
this stuff for me!
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now I know why Ben has Tin Foil rolls and a Tin Foil hat (-:
- Original Message -
*From:* Lex Mierop [EMAIL
to the sale on RCGroups.com, lots of pictures
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=850173#post9570106
Thank You,
David Klein
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That is how I got into this sport to be honest. Ron Turner of Vancouver sold
me his Stratos in almost the smae shape :)
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:06 PM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a Pike Perfect, a little bit of a fixer-upper:
Jerry do you need help getting off dialup? I know its an adictive technology
with all the beepwschrchhh beeebong beebong tszz but
seriously man just call a broadband provider.
As for the exchange it appears to be working
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Jerry Shape [EMAIL
I have been extensively testing these batteries for over 6 months. They are
installed in my TX and RX on my primary and secondary Pike Perfects.
The reduced self discharge rate is totally true. My RX packs held 5.75 v for
6 months which is what they were 10 mins afetr the charge was complete.
I
see any.
Kurt
Quoting David Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have been extensively testing these batteries for over 6 months. They
are
installed in my TX and RX on my primary and secondary Pike Perfects.
The reduced self discharge rate is totally true. My RX packs held 5.75 v
for
6
Hello,
I'm going to be in La Jolla next week starting this Sunday. At this
moment I am planning on bringing my Half Pipe along. What I want to
know is it possible for visitors to fly at the Torrie Pines slope?
The website for the Gulls mentions a series of achievement's / tasks
that members need
I think that the concerning issue is your response time on the flaps. Almost
everyone who owns a contest sailplane has been here and failed to retract
the flaps in time. I use carbon push rods as do most of the contest pilots
these days. I don't think there is an obviously less damaging choice
to the article.
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MessageI too just picked up a new Shadow. Time to start assembly, as soon as
Tuan starts his build thread:)
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From: TDL
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Just Got My
I am selling my Superior (carbon 68) x-tail. It is yellow with red bottoms.
Volts servos all around and a 2400 mah 5 cell battery (no receiver). Also
included is a Pike Superior Electric fuse (yellow) with the servos for the
elevator and rudder installed. I will include an Aveox F12 LMR
Not to argue but for the people new to the concept of 2.4 there are
scenarios that they may be confusing. For example, I fly a few times a year
at a club off of the Columbia river in Oregon. Blue lake park is like flying
out of a bowl picture this in your minds eye; To the right of you is the
levy
This is likely to start an IT geeky discussion but its worth mentioning.
This brings up my very first concern on this band. My concern was that there
are literally hundreds of gain boosting products on the market for 2.4 Wimax
technology. Many of these devices such as home routers and small to
I had no idea you could not lock things up anymore.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.sportube.com/pages/TSA_lock.html
I'd been making my own gizmo up to use the standard TSA lock on my tubes,
comprised of a 3/16 carriage bolt with its end flattened and
Keep shifting manually something is making it slip
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Me and my Old Falcon Convertible were on the local news this morning...
The reporter is totally into RC planes... Turns out his very first story was
of a Jet fun fly in
You also need to set the flapern mix. Its just above the flap rate. Set the
values to +100 and you should see them work.
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From: Chris Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just got a 9303 for an incredible price, and have run into a wall
trying to
of Ebay and have no idea what they are doing
so removing the spectre of conflicts is my number one priority for 09.
David Webb
On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As populations grow and expan into formerly rural areas, land suitable for
use as flying fields is becoming
with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn
more.http://biggestloser.msn.com/
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University of California San Diego
Does anyone know Dan Stang of RTS Soaring Works. He is a builder in New Jersey
and I and others have been trying to get a hold of him for over a week. His
cell phone will not accept anymore messages. Any help would be appreciated.
David
with a solution. We are the high
end geeks of the R/C community after all (said with distinction I
might add)
David Webb
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Joe Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been using my trusty Stylus with Glider Card for almost as long as I've
been serious about the sport
NO FREQUENCY CONTROL BOARD.
You are free to fly anytime you like and do not have to locate others on your
frequency.
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From: Joe Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been using my trusty Stylus with Glider Card for almost as long as I've
been
Proof once again You get what you pay for
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From: TDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the many really kool feature of the Futaba radio I am using is that I
can take an actual photo of my plane and load it into the Futaba's TX's
screen to give me
format
with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and
AOL are generally NOT in text format
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University of California San Diego
Wow that's a silly post and I fly with a stylus as well. Besides the
cool feature of anyone on channel 51 being able to take you out nice
and quick what features are you thinking you get that someone on a JR
or Futaba 2.4 does not? I flew a friends 9303 last year. He had
everything I needed.
hardware to the market, and for
all of the support you bring to our soaring community. F3X teams, JR
Aerotow, World Soaring Masters, and most other large sailplane events around
the US. I appreciate it, and I do not where a red shirt.
Thanks,
David Klein
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:28 AM, B. Chan
the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
Living.http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598
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Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San
the video on AOL
Living.http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598
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Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
Heck what do you think I felt like when Gordy called my shiny new red X-Pro a
pig in a poke. I was outraged. I was so offended I wanted to sue somebody
for viloating my civil rights. How could anyone speak there mind like that in
a county that allows such behavior. The only thing I could
by the gliderport, having a pilots
list helps.
David Klein
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Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
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Jacobs School
compete or just want to see the action.
For more info, race schedule and locations click here:
*http://www.socalsloperacing.com/calcup2008.htm*
* *
Come and join us!
Looking forward!
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Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
Very cool. Essentially they are capturing more data and adding
photoshop ellements right into the hardware. I can't believe it took
them this long...
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those of you who are also into photography, I found this amazing new
and the glider community.
Thanks,
David Klein
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Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
Hey Craig thanks for sharing this. Having just lost my mother, father
and sister witin a very short period I can echo your thoughts. One day
they will be gone and you may have some fond memories like this one to
relive.
David
On Feb 17, 2008 8:33 PM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just
I have a super fuse its from a spirit 100 and its been repaired so
many times it must be super by now...how much will you offer?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jer Marty Limber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I'm in the market for a Supra fuse. I wonder if Mike Lachowski is still
I guess I don't understand the problems most people have with winter. Sure
sunny weather is great but if its sunny all the time when do you build? Here
in the PNW it was another great day. It rained all day so I got lots of
building done before I headed out to the slope. It was fantastic.
offers only. This thing is built to my
normal level of reliability, so buy it and fly it for years with no
concerns.
djklein (at) ucsd (dot) edu
Thanks,
David Klein
Pictures at rcgroups.com
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=815408
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Department
Who is going for F3b? I am on the fence, how about all of you?
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Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
Music.http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030002548
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Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
BTW, The Torrey Pines Gulls are in the process of scanning and digitzing our
old club newsletters and posting them online at torreypinesgulls.org Thanks
to our club historian Gary Fogel our club historian.
On Feb 5, 2008 11:04 AM, David Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or rewritten by electronic
this be of
value as a replacement for the standard on off switch for your more
senior members or new eager soaring enthusiasts?
David Webb
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I'll take 2
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From: David Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gentlemen, I would like your feedback on something I created last
season in a bit of a whim. I have been competing at various TD tasks
in the Northwest over the last 3 years. Over this time
In a message dated 1/29/08 8:43:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why has every tree strike I've had end up with my prized glider
stalling straight down on a wing tip. Go figure.
My first thought was to step into its path and catch it. My second thought
was
, I still love you after The
Fall Fest. Big Hug.
John (The Brain) Erickson
Edgar(The Soaring Junkie) Vera
Joe (The JR convert) Rodriguez
David Zucker
PBSS
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Why has every tree strike I've had end up with my prized glider coming
stalling straight down on a wing tip. Go figure.
Z
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I parked my TD ship in 3 smallish trees on the edge of our field (yes only
one each). Needless to say those 3 scrub trees are no longer there.
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From: Dennis Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com
Sent: Tuesday,
. This will be
a great event at the world famous Torrey Pines Glider Port in La Jolla
California. The entry fee is $50 and includes day use fees to the
glider port and lunch on both days. For additional information,
please see the contests website.
Thank You,
David Klein
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that needs help.
David
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Exactly! As you can read from this link if you had only blinded the
fellow before sending the money this would have been all avoided.
Sorry I fail to see the parallel between some asshat running an
Internet scam and a huge mythical beast with one blind eye stroking
sheep
On Jan 16, 2008 5:09
I just finished an R2 led sled for a friend and have a new R3 half built for
me. Also slated is a 3M fox that needs a rebuild as well as a new La Fish for
another friend. Then there is the new ridge runner for the combat season as
well as my new BD5 shot kit. So many planes so little time.
Guys,
I've flown a variant of Tim's proposal at SLNT on quite a few occasions
in their Class-A Scramble event. It's a great task, gets the load off
the CD and keeps pilots involved all the way through the event.
Extending it to TD classes is a really interesting approach and
addresses a lot
people warmed up to the idea of MoM flying. Take
out the luck and bring the skill.
So Tim, thanks for trying it out and taking the time to tell us all about
it.
David Klein,
TPGulls
BTW, I have flown enough to know that every club in the US has a top
competitor or two, so there is no such thing
Just a reminder for the first weekend of the year, renew your AMA.
Happy New Years fellow Pilots,
David Klein
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Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
Maybe I need to eat a larger breakfast but I just thought about this idea...
OK, what about a combination of power limit and timing. I was thinking
about exactly how I broke line this last season (a total of three
times) and its always the same. I used too much pedal for my model
setup within the
, and finally we'll be flying models 40% of full-scale like the
gas-power boys.
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Department of Structural Engineering
Jacobs School of Engineering
University of California San Diego
Now we are using seriously offending terms...*#^!baggers I would stay
clear from this type of incendiary remark if I were you:) I prefer
the PC term optimal condition competitor
But I agree we can't keep increasing the line size.
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