Re: [Biofuel] FWD: Nazis coming to Danbury [was] BYUprofessor'sgroup...

2006-04-14 Thread D. Mindock
Marilynn, You are totally correct. That which we fear and dwell upon will come to pass. Hate groups know this and use it as a lever to increase their numbers. The idea of a peaceful rally/party on the other side of town is right on. It won't get much coverage but the good vibes created d

Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogenated oil

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>I have secured a small bit of hydrogenated Canola Oil. It reminds me of >shortening but more liquid. > >Would this be good stuff to make Bio out of ? > >JIM > Hydrogenated oil, shortening, margarine http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#short

Re: [Biofuel] copper plumbing

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>Another reactivity question; how about sweated [lead free >solder}copper piping and brass valves for plumbing on a processor ? >Thanks for all the info >Andrew Leven Copper and SVO: "I'm not so worried about the copper but what the copper does to the fuel. Did you ever check what happened to yo

[Biofuel] Hydrogenated oil

2006-04-14 Thread JJJN
I have secured a small bit of hydrogenated Canola Oil. It reminds me of shortening but more liquid. Would this be good stuff to make Bio out of ? JIM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/b

Re: [Biofuel] sustainable biodiesel from Casto : Big is notbeautiful, small is more sustainable

2006-04-14 Thread Mike McGinness
Greetings Doug, You said, "They are not related." This may be true sometimes (1), but I think there is some kind of relationship between the two, but it may not be easy, or simple to explain. I found an excellent online reference on lubrication, friction and viscosity here: http://www.usace.arm

[Biofuel] Gas and Ethanol shortage, & more price hikes this summer

2006-04-14 Thread Mike McGinness
Just read that all the US refiners are going to stop using MTBE as a gas additive in 4 weeks, reportedly because the US Congress will not pass a bill stopping, or mitigating MTBE ground water contamination law suits. The only replacement for MTBE is ethanol and there is not and will not be enough

Re: [Biofuel] FWD: Nazis coming to Danbury [was] BYU professor'sgroup...

2006-04-14 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
There is an expression I love .. "If you want more drugs on the street, by all means, declare war on drugs" .. energy matches energy .. and in this case I would plan to not show up and I would do everything in my power to let everyone know to not show up. .. perhaps an idea would be to have a r

Re: [Biofuel] Xenophobic email for 'Merikans - tax question

2006-04-14 Thread Mike McGinness
Mike, I would ask the state comptroller first for the state you live in. Here are 2 links for the state of Texas (where I live and know how to easily find the answer): http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/fuels/biodiesel.pdf http://www.window.state.tx.us/ It seems from the first link above tha

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accusesU.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Mike McGinness
Speaking of peaceful protests we have just had nearly 2 weeks of massive "peaceful" protests here in the USA by people protesting the proposed new immigration laws in the US Congress that would have instantly made felons out of over 10 million (based on current estimates) illegal US immigrants curr

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [just_biodiesel] California residents:

2006-04-14 Thread greg Kelly
Senator Ducheny, the chairperson of the of the Senate Trans Committee, is an intelligent and caring person. I have worked with her on previous occasions trying to make meaningfull changes to the smog check program. My call to her is as yet unanswered, but I am sure she has home brewers interests in

[Biofuel] copper plumbing

2006-04-14 Thread Andrew Leven
Another reactivity question; how about sweated [lead free solder}copper piping and brass valves for plumbing on a processor ? Thanks for all the info Andrew Leven ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailm

Re: [Biofuel] FWD: Nazis coming to Danbury [was] BYU professor's group...

2006-04-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Mike, Well, Toledo, Ohio is close enough to me to call it my neck of the woods. Oddly enough so are Detroit, Ann Arbor and Lansing, Michigan. The Nazis came to Toledo and applied for their permit and held their rally and the people who didn't like the Nazis attacked them and gave th

Re: [Biofuel] The VW Rabbit is back.

2006-04-14 Thread Zeke Yewdall
It's been here all along. They just changed the US name to the Golf (just like it was from the beginning in europe) for a while. Although I can see why the name turns people off -- I actually own one that was sold as a golf, but I always call it a rabbit because I don't like golf... On 4/13/

[Biofuel] FWD: Nazis coming to Danbury [was] BYU professor's group...

2006-04-14 Thread Michael Redler
Since "peaceful demonstrations" have been a lively topic lately, here's what's happening in my neck of the woods.   I'll let you know how it turns out.   MikeNaveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To: Chris T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], Al-Awda-CT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[

Re: [Biofuel] galvanized tanks

2006-04-14 Thread Mike McGinness
Andrew, I do know that the zinc (Galvanizing) will rapidly dissolve in mild caustic or acid. It may be safe enough for clarifier use if the entire solution is between a pH of about 6 to 9, but I would use extreme caution as any unreacted acid or base will dissolve the zinc and contaminate the batc

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Gary > >Okay, let's take this in chunks. Okay, let's take this recent chunk then, from Peter Solem: >Today on the University of California, Santa Cruz campus, an >organized group of student protestors succeded in shutting down the >campus job fair until the military recruiters were forced to l

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Michael Redler
Keith,   Thanks for correcting my sentence, missing the word "only". Yep, peaceful protests do happen and I didn't articulate that very clearly. Kinda funny since I participate in them from time to time.   MikeKeith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>I have to agree that social change does

Re: [Biofuel] Stand up and be counted

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>Just wondering how many UK home brewers are on this mailing list. >Please make yourselves known, especially if you are interested in forming a >buyers cooperative to get bulk discounts on chemicals, plant, feedstock, >glycerol disposal etc. I am even volunteering to do most of the donkey work. >Ch

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Chip Mefford
Keith Addison wrote: >>Okay, let's take this in chunks. > > > Not okay: > > >>>Why not answer the rest of the question Gary? It went like this: > > > snippetysnippetysnip... > > Snipping's supposed to remove previous irrelevant matter to save > space. But you're a compulsive snipper, and no

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [just_biodiesel] California residents: SB1511 hearing on the 18th you can write to the committee]

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>SB1511 is a emergency bill being brought before the transportation >commitee on the 18th go here and read the amended text. >http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/SB_1511 > This bill covers both ethanol and biodiesel. It is forcing the ARB >to act in relation to this bills passage. The ARB has

Re: [Biofuel] pressure stoves ???

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Should be noted that "Petromax" is now a generic name for that type of lantern, with quite wide variations available, all called Petromax. BriteLyt makes the original. Their stove is a newer patented design, not generic. >I have a PetroMax and have had no luck w/ BD. I am not sure if it is >th

Re: [Biofuel] Xenophobic email for 'Merikans - tax question

2006-04-14 Thread Mike Weaver
Thank you - I was wondering about federal taxes bob allen wrote: >Howdy Mike, > > I once contacted the tax folks in Arkansas about this issue and they >basically said go away. They have no mechanism for collecting "road >taxes" in Arkansas for non-traditional fuels. And until there is >

Re: [Biofuel] Xenophobic email for 'Merikans - tax question

2006-04-14 Thread bob allen
Howdy Mike, I once contacted the tax folks in Arkansas about this issue and they basically said go away. They have no mechanism for collecting "road taxes" in Arkansas for non-traditional fuels. And until there is evidence for enough tax collection to justify the salary and benefits for a

Re: [Biofuel] sustainable biodiesel from Casto : Big is not beautiful, small is more sustainable

2006-04-14 Thread dwoodard
I understand that lubricity has to do with the ability of the oil to maintain a lubricating film under pressure. Viscosity has to do with how readily the oil flows. They are not related. An early detailed study of the properties of lubricants was done by Ricardo Engineering for the British Air

[Biofuel] Stand up and be counted

2006-04-14 Thread Bob Carr
Just wondering how many UK home brewers are on this mailing list. Please make yourselves known, especially if you are interested in forming a buyers cooperative to get bulk discounts on chemicals, plant, feedstock, glycerol disposal etc. I am even volunteering to do most of the donkey work. Cheer

Re: [Biofuel] pressure stoves ???

2006-04-14 Thread Mike Weaver
I have a PetroMax and have had no luck w/ BD. I am not sure if it is the stove or not - I cleaned it and tried petro diesel with no luck, then ISO and got an ok flame. I will try again now that things are warm. FWIW, I never was able to get a flame at all w/ diesel BD or otherwise w/o heating

[Biofuel] [Fwd: [just_biodiesel] California residents: SB1511 hearing on the 18th you can write to the committee]

2006-04-14 Thread Mike Weaver
Original Message Subject:[just_biodiesel] California residents: SB1511 hearing on the 18th you can write to the committee Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: K Lemons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Bowen <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [Biofuel] pressure stoves ???

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Andrés >Hello Keith, > >I am having trouble to find pressure stove suitable for BD. >I have browsed through the links from JTF with little sucess. > >The PETROMAX is quite expensive and is out of stock anyway. >others I find come with wick which you say is not working with BD Not as-is anyw

Re: [Biofuel] galvanized tanks

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Andrew >Hi , >I just finished bubblewashing a 30L batch of bio but it is still cloudy. If it doesn't clear on its own in a couple of days you'll have to wash it more and it might indicate a completion problem. Please see Bubble washing: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html#b

[Biofuel] Xenophobic email for 'Merikans - tax question

2006-04-14 Thread Mike Weaver
I have been keeping track of the BD I am burning in my car - it's not much - does anyone know how to pay the sales tax due? -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelis

[Biofuel] pressure stoves ???

2006-04-14 Thread Tonomár András
Hello Keith,   I am having trouble to find pressure stove suitable for BD. I have browsed through the links from JTF with little sucess.   The PETROMAX is quite expensive and is out of stock anyway. others I find come with wick which you say is not working with BD   On JTF website you write

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>I have to agree that social change does not happen with peaceful protests. Social change does not ONLY happen with peaceful protest. And peaceful protest does most certainly happen. >The people benefiting from the imbalance that causes peaceful >protests won't let go so easily (especially when

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Life span of the republic

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Kim Did you even look at the snopes reference yourself? It's hard to believe you did and still posted this. Snopes doesn't confirm a lot of it as "Rick" claims. It's not slanted, it's just a pack of lies, and it's about five and a half years past its use-by date. http://www.snopes.com/politics

[Biofuel] MLK Thread

2006-04-14 Thread Mike Weaver
>>Whenever MLK came to town you knew you either gave him whathe wanted or you >>would have violence on your hands.<< Hogwash. MLK advocated non-violence. But, MLK was not "in charge" of every element of the Civil Rights movement. He was a leader to many, but not a commander to all. If some memb

Re: [Biofuel] galvanized tanks

2006-04-14 Thread Mike Weaver
I tend to stay away from galvanized - stick it in the sun. Andrew Leven wrote: > Hi , > I just finished bubblewashing a 30L batch of bio but it is still cloudy. > I have a galvanized tank from an old jet pump setup that is ported > ideally for plumbing and adding a heating element. I want to use

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Appal Energy
Gary Green, All I can say is that you're one twisted puppy, or at least you're dedicated to that direction. A peaceful march that gets dogs, battans and boots set upon them is not something that can be honestly be blamed as causal. But you choose to do so, decidedly noting that the bee was alr

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Michael Redler
I was in New York City on the second anniversary of the invasion in Iraq. There was a sea of people that stretched for as far as one could see. The estimates were around 80,000.   80,000 loud and angry protestors and it barely made the news!   Mike"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Gar

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Appal Energy
Gary, It sure would be appreciated if you would substantiate some of your claims. You imply in an almost sweeping manner that the marchers are the ones who provoke and instigate riotous behavior. Seems as if you're almost oblivious to the provocative actions of constabularies and misfits of op

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Michael Redler
I have to agree that social change does not happen with peaceful protests. The people benefiting from the imbalance that causes peaceful protests won't let go so easily (especially when they pay someone to fight their battles).   The fight ends up being between the only two forms of power that me

Re: [Biofuel] Revolution!? [was] BYU professor's group accuses...

2006-04-14 Thread Michael Redler
LOL!   What will they do when they encounter the likes of you?   People are products of their environment so, perhaps they'll develop a conscience, eh?   Mike "Gary L. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Damn! Be quiet man. That's my retirement strategy.On 13 Apr 2006, at 22:26, Michael Redle

[Biofuel] was..Oil AND Ethanol out of Corn

2006-04-14 Thread AltEnergyNetwork
related Squeezing Every Drop of Ethanol From Corn < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1141936056.news > > ---Original Message--- > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil AND Ethanol out of Corn > Sent: 14 Apr '06 12:13 > > Hi

Re: [Biofuel] Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Howdy Gustl >Hallo Jesse, > >Hey dere! So how's by you, eh? Well, I know a fellow named Mark who >used to live in Manchester, Michigan. > >Wednesday, 12 April, 2006, 18:00:11, you wrote: > >mm> Hi Gustl, Mike, >mm> No one ever answers my posts (except Keith, our hero), so I can >mm> blithely

[Biofuel] Fw: Life span of the republic

2006-04-14 Thread Garth & Kim Travis
Greetings, An interesting piece on democracy, slanted to say the least. Bright Blessings, Kim - Original Message - Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Life span of the republic And for you "purists" out there I included the snopes.com url, they have checked this same email

Re: [Biofuel] sustainable biodiesel from Casto : Big is not beautiful, small is more sustainable

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>Some of my friends here in India (who know more about agriculture >than I do) would have me believe that traditionally castor oilseed >cakes are allowed to decompose by soaking in a little water for a >couple of weeks and then put back into the soil as fertilizer (same >as done with mustard oi

Re: [Biofuel] Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hi again Jesse > > (Off-topic??? Grrr!) Sure, just as long as you're blithe about it. > >I see your Grrr! What, the care and future of the planet is not off-topic, >eh? Good point. I guess I was confining my thinking to the Title. Well, that too. > >> Balance of idealism and practicality

Re: [Biofuel] Oil AND Ethanol out of Corn

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Bruno We've been sneering at them for years about this. A couple of years ago I was told some people in US universities were beginning to wonder if maybe there might be a possibility of using the corn oil to make biodiesel instead of just wasting it. I suppose these things take time. Maize

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Keith Addison
>Okay, let's take this in chunks. Not okay: >>Why not answer the rest of the question Gary? It went like this: snippetysnippetysnip... Snipping's supposed to remove previous irrelevant matter to save space. But you're a compulsive snipper, and not to save space. Then the "chunks" you're left

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread Gary L. Green
On 14 Apr 2006, at 15:45, D. Mindock wrote: > We could make progress in the way of gettinga true representative > government if: > we had a true watchguard media. When, I think it was during the Regan era, they pushed through legislation that allowed the media to be owned by only a few pe

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet

2006-04-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo, Thank you. I am always up for good stuff I haven't heard. I had the good fortune to be born into a family which loved music. I lived the better part of my life with my grandparents (Opa born 1898 Oma 1904) and I grew up listening to their oldies on cylinder records. Then I got al

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-14 Thread Chip Mefford
Gary L. Green wrote: > Just to be sure you're "That" kind of person. I'm one too. > > Never forget my introduction to Zappa. In my teen years listening to > the college radio station, someone had the cajones to play Dinah-Mo- > Hum. I was hooked. > > The cover art will keep a stonie entertain

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread D. Mindock
Yo Gary,    I think your idea of totally peaceful revolution is nice but unrealistic. Clashes of people who have opposite strivings are inevitable. Thoughts lead to emotion which in turn action.. Opposite thinking leads to oppossing emotions which easily can lead to fights. Mobs can be incite

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread D. Mindock
Hi Gary, Two Kennedys were killed. Bobby was a fiery politician who would've shaken things up too much. Some member(s) of the shadow gov decided he couldn't become prez. He was well on his way when Sirhan Sirhan shot him in California. I had seen Bobby speak at the Univ of Washington, Seattle

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-14 Thread D. Mindock
Hi Gary, Peaceful protests are seen by folks on the street. So there is a positive effect. The media tends to downgrade the number of protesters if it mentions them at all. If protests get really big, over 100,000 people, I can't see how they can't be covered. If there is police action involved