On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea
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I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map)
that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be
the case that explicit statute specifies bicycles
for
access=destination, through careful implementation of the router
rule, it could improve it.
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to) this roadway
to achieve your destination, go ahead and include it in your route
as well.
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reference to these data and the great
volunteer, cooperative and collaborative spirits we find in OSM here
in the USA.
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or Charlotte for a
Draft 3 that Charlotte, Alexander and I evolved in the last few
days.
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(via Shapefile plug-in)
to adjust the data to WGS 84, or if something different is
required. It is even possible that clicking on JOSM's alert button
of Yes is all that is required, but I'm not sure. Thank you in
advance.
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way is to install GDAL appropriate to
your operating system.
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On 12/31/2014 1:48 PM, stevea wrote:
That is true, thank you Nathan Proudfoot. For the Union Pacific, I
was disappointed that their web site requires a (UP employee?) login
and password to gain access to their geographic rail data. BNSF seems
, but IMHO, results are well worth the effort.
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is becoming a full-time
student again in about two weeks, so his work in Central Valley will
rapidly fall off to zero very soon. As for me, I really do have
other things to do, so while I might tap-tap-tap at California Rail
in OSM a bit, I can't give it my full attention.
Cheers,
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or bushwhacking, as the
hiker desires.
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/short version? I strongly believe this should be better
worked on here in the USA to our rail, and that we have a LOT of work
(research, surveys, editing...) to do to achieve this.
Excellent project we have mapping our beautiful home planet, here: Go, OSM!
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), and while there is a learning curve that takes practice to get
the hang of it, it is relatively short and is only a small mountain
to conquer. You can do it!
Great to see this enthusiasm and good communication.
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Yes, I'll use owner= if known, and it is name= which displays in
ORM as the name of the line. Many lines had name= as the service
run upon them (like Caltrain instead of Union Pacific), and I have
corrected this where I know it was wrong in OSM
of these
we do, the better will become student contributions to OSM.
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are in the vast minority. Most of us
use off the shelf renderers, and are essentially at their mercy.
Let's address that with greater visibility into how they get improved.
Thanks for your answers,
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documentation and taginfo data which are consistent across the fifty
states is better.
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transmission, and they must. A
lot more of us -- and there are many -- are only quite vaguely aware
of how it works, or how we might best induce positive change into its
workings. We can do better. Good discussion so far, but it seems we
are only scratching this surface.
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to occur. Giving shape to what a set of
tags means. Such discussion (sharing) is good.
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issues. (Talk-us is a larger stage).
It seems to me that OSM remains resilient, talking to itself
(ourselves) well. So far, so good. (Nothing like dotting an i or
two and crossing some ts here and there).
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On 2014-11-07 22:35, Greg Morgan wrote:
In contrast
the very
distinct semantics which differentiate these
entities.
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wiki says to use abbreviated. see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:state#For_countries_using_hamlet.2C_subdistrict.2C_district.2C_province.2C_statehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:state
conversations are helpful. Imagine things that haven't
yet been imagined here. That's a good start.
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on entering the route data, he corrected my
erroneous (mistaken) request to conflate actual and proposed route
data into one relation. Purely a careless oversight on my part: of
course, there should be two relations (one actual, one pending).
Thank you Peter: now there are.
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growth
in our national bicycle network.
As AASHTO's USBR approval process happens each spring and autumn,
talk-us might expect similar requests for (additional) volunteers
about twice a year, an important method by which this project grows.
Thank you!
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neighbors. Communicate. Say what you'd be willing to do.
Ask others if they would be willing to do D, E and F if A, B and C
look like they have other folks signing up to do them, too. Get
balls rolling. It's a neat thing when it happens.
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data and code (logic) is warranted.
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Signage standards are contained in the MUTCD (Manual on Uniform
Traffic Control Devices). These are standards, not absolute
requirements, but you will find them followed pretty closely because
traffic engineers don't like having to explain
me, though.
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What happened to taxiways (and runways?) in mapnik recently? Take a
look at any airport with taxiways near you and see if it isn't
re-rendering in a oops, something is missing kind of way.
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Back in my Johns Hopkins days (early '90s), I leased an apartment
near Homewood at Calvert 31st.
Looks terrific: nice work, Elliott!
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Quick update: The import is finished! I've been doing some QC and it
really is great to look at, and so useful. OSM in Baltimore County
has
. Discussions like these, some identification, some
organization, some inspiration, and we will rev it up faster.
Elephants are best eaten one bite at a time. (A metaphor, not
literal)
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, as the southeastern portion of the
county is very sparsely populated, has difficult access, and
comparisons of what Bing and TIGER display are often wildly
different. But such results are worth the effort, imho.
Good topic, good discussion.
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more.
Enjoy!
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problematic
street names, but this overlay/visualization is a great initial
result and should be pursued further. Thanks for everybody's efforts!
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On 7/30/2014 6:18 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
Paul,
Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out where the problems are- not trying
needs it to do (either on-list or off-list) we can likely get closer
to the goal.
TileMill experts: you might chime in here, too.
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encourage these tags (and yes, taginfo does show them to be both
growing in number and becoming more correct) where they are known and
able to be correctly entered into OSM. Lay data groundwork!
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(in a renderer, in a router...).
If/as we keep up that good work, both our map and our tools become
better and better.
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of OSM, a little bit of geojson magic, and a little bit of
what if? Nice!
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, they are:
San Jose
Oakland
(and then you interchange to I-280 to get from 17 to San Francisco,
otherwise you head to Oakland).
I'm not advocating that we change the destination tag to
control_city, just making an observation that might be helpful for
discussion purposes here in the USA.
SteveA
to continue to follow.
Although I DO wish that more states which have rcns would create/have
their own pages (are you listening, Georgia and Delaware, for
example)?!
Also, Paul, thanks for all the OSM editing you have done over the years.
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this happening? Good communication and
deeper and wider understandings about how we use our data. And
thanks to those who work on OSM data software tools (editors, style
sheet manipulators...), promulgate them and document how to use them.
Keep up the good work, everybody!
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ways. My
sleeves have been rolled up for a couple (maybe even a few) years.
We can do this. It involves conversation, but we can do this.
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, Martijn!
Concomitantly, I have answered Serge off-list (where I did my utmost
to keep my mode appropriate).
Simon Poole writes:
@stevea you would substantially help your cause if the route data was
available for inspection, best a public source from where it could be
obtained.
Simon, I
-distance bicyclists), AND I think it could be done
(mapped AND/OR bicycled) not in months, but in weeks, or even days
(if just one or two people were to drink a few coffees).
This (OSM) is project which can, and often does, UNIFY us, not divide
us. Let's work together!
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misunderstanding around
some edges that are a bit smeary anyway. We can fix this.
Heck, maybe we largely already have.
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, oh dear community, I continue to seek clarity. I
truly am trying to do the right thing(s) here.
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, facilitating harmonious progress and further growth in our
national bicycle network.
To begin your contributions to this OSM WikiProject, reply using
steveaOSM at softworkers (dot) com. Put USBR mapping in OSM in the
Subject line and say where you'd like to map. Thank you!
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in a wider forum.
Most sincerely,
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contributor (and who isn't?!) please help us to channel our questions
and thirst for specific knowledge into better sub-communities of
sharing, especially the one regarding future directions of our
project.
Thank you to everybody who read and participated in this thread!
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and told Go. But I don't know a whole heck of a lot
of what and where are these resources. Thanks in advance for a wide
swath of pointers to get me (us) started.
With my best attempt to remove any residual grumpiness,
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This isn't a problem with Mapnik, but a change to
openstreetmap.org's Mapnik XML. I would post an issue here
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto
Daniel
Thank you, Daniel! I have now discovered that Paul Norman has
effectively done this with
,
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, but NR/leisure=nature_reserve was
recent).
Wow, I'm in a mood: don't mess with (our) mapnik?! Again, I'm all
for improvements. But dumbing down?
Can't we just talk?
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. That is YOU.
Ask, and you shall receive. If not, make a formal request under your
state's Public Records laws. That's how it works around here,
anyway. (Green pastures in California? Maybe. But there are 49
other states, too).
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the perceived cost of
giving up data verses the cost of paying a
service provider like Google to keep their IP.
Yup. Simply said: yup.
I hope this helps,
It does, Greg. Thank you.
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defer to local expertise outside
of California.
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, I know you do, as it does
help. Posit tags. Posit structure. Harmonize. It is work, yet it
can be done.
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they are. Accordingly, I wish you
good day, and remind all of us that OSM intends to be a friendly,
listening place. And sometimes the answer is not really, no.
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in ways that are probably more useful for OSM.
Good of you to be thinking about it, and sharing with us here. Thank
you! -SteveA
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not shocked anymore,
but anybody could be. It's rather pleasant, actually: gives you
that warm, volunteer feeling.
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)
the data's rightful beneficiaries (and executors). Let us enjoy the
fruits of our labor: the public data we own and pay our agencies to
maintain, whose job it is to produce copies for us as we ask for
them. Free of any licensing terms, as the data are already ours.
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SteveA,
Sorry for inconveniencing you and the cause.
Justin, I wish to be encouraging to you and others who post valuable
information here, and STRENGTHEN your voice here by weaving it into
the many strands of crowdsourced powerful truth.
I am sure people like you and the rest of the OSM
is the premier nationwide bicycling organization in the USA, and
is spearheading efforts to develop the USBRS among states and state
departments of transportation.
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-maintained GIS
data is very likely yours for the asking, depending on your state
laws. So, do a little research, find out, and report back!
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I'm just wondering, do you guys think that Allegheny County's real
estate assessment website is OdbL compatible to use to gain
addresses
the semantics of the multiple-polygon nature of such single entities
as a city with multiple exclaves like this. However, it is crucial
to apply correct syntax of proper tags on the multipolygon relation,
as well as roles on the member polygons.
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point others to the data
you have found and ask them to do an import. But again, I welcome
you to enter the data into OSM and enjoy the results!
SteveA
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(1) California Government Code, section 6250 et seq
(2) County of Santa Clara vs. California First Amendment Coalition,
Court
them (though it's not
impossible to do this here).
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:21 AM, stevea
mailto:stevea...@softworkers.comstevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
A sidelong topic to separate relations.
Volker and I just shared some email about how he uses JOSM
automation
it
might make a difference. Where does it make a difference? OSM can
be a deep place sometimes.
A lot of the conversations here are an attempt at agreement among
structure and tagging. Good for us.
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intention. OSM doesn't work when it is
considered a solo map, so we must listen. Consensus is essential,
though only occasionally easy.
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actually
there, but there are arguments to be made for why we might want to
keep historical sites in OSM, even without there being something
there -- if it is tagged as such.
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I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes
I've taken two months ago, and I've
-surprisingly-hard/
It, and the associated blog posts, make for enlightening reading
before beginning a similar endeavor, even though OSM tools mentioned
may not be exactly the same.
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I'm working with a Chicago organization called CUTGroup [0] to set up a user
testing event
, nearly 10,000 square kilometers,
this was no small task! OK, MoCo is far from
done, but it is MUCH better than it was a year
ago.
Yes, we have a big country, but one road, café,
bike route and restroom at a time, OSM builds it
nicely.
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When you find a suspicious edit, try to be part of the solution,
What a really well-written post. Thank you, Richard!
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routes are totally charged with electric
lightning right now. New routes seed, grow and visually feed back.
This is truly a wide (national, statewide, locally) visual
conversation done partly geographically. So far, so good. Useful
map we have here!
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everything: using things (tags)
smartly and documenting and gaining consensus and making it smarter
as we go (while getting intelligent feedback in a loop while growing
better and smarter ad infinitum)... simply IS our OSM and how it
works. On a good day.
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On Sun, Nov 10
of decision-making belongs, not by making data changes that are
more convenient for it.
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Concomitantly, routing algorithms can and should pay attention to
said tagging scheme.
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stevea
mailto:stevea...@softworkers.comstevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
A very big +1 to this. Posing a challenge to the construction of
an accurate
On 11/5/13 6:59 PM, stevea wrote:
I don't mean to pour water on what is a sizzling and robust
conversation -- quite the opposite. But as a computer scientist, I
don't see how putting (moving, creating anew...) borders (and WHAT
other objects -- we likely need to be careful in our design
/layer/whatever
might be editable by our standard tools, and the API should stay the
same. We might need to be a bit more flexible on that last point,
I'm not sure. But is that a good goal to continue to discuss as what
we (roughly) want to address this issue?
Thank you,
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in the middle: I like it! Good conversation.
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what is. Nice job so far, everybody. I very much like this
crowd-sourced map. It only keeps getting better and better.
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routing. It does that!
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data not all they can be
(i.e. well-formed and as correct as we are able to observe and enter
them).
I seem to be echoing what Minh said near the end of his reply:
handle both. (or more).
Good discussion.
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. That seems long-term wise given that
there will likely be both types of intersections entered into the
underlying data.
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might be a well-identified idea.
Discussing and paying attention to counties-at-a-time can shake a
little order into things where now it seems a bit lumpy and chaotic.
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(yes, we have some work to do here!)
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, really, but there it is),
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That ITO map seems to be only looking at ways. If you include
relations in the analysis things should actually be pretty good.
There should be a (mostly) correct boundary relation for every
county in the US. At one point I was the last user to have
the data might or
should find their way into OSM. That is an
entirely different thread! (One which has been
addressed many times and in many ways regarding
imports).
I hope this helps,
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decisions
affirming, and armed with this knowledge, ask away. Happy mapping!
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Elliott Plack
elliott.pl...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings OpenStreetMappers,
I am very excited to announce that my organization, Baltimore County
Government Office
request them under the law, then as you have
the legal right to do so, use them as you see fit. After all, the
data are yours (at least in my state, how about yours?)
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Well, this newsletter/blog entry by Adventure Cycling Association is
pretty cool:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_in_the_media#September
(points to)
http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/openstreetmap-the-web-based-mapping-project
Not shy to toot OSM's horn,
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for paper maps and street signs, of
course. Be careful at night! (Oh, the nights!)
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created and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and linking the images to
the templates that the slippy map would likely use.
This is a ridiculously well-written how-to guide. Thank you kindly,
and nice job, Minh!
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, then start talking about asking more of us in the direction of
privacy-invading demographic information.
This knowing everything about everybody has gone too far. You
don't know about padeshahekhoban? Neither do I. And I really don't
care to: I'm busy mapping.
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OSM
opt
in and some opt out? Um, please don't answer that (but do ponder
it), as the question is essentially rhetorical.
Good discussion (and thank you to those who have responded to me
off-list, as well),
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standards, but OSM doesn't
claim to adhere to them.
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridgehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridge
seems to suggest that the appropriate way to tag a ridge is as a
way. Any thoughts on this? I'm looking at 100
USBR routes) should allow OpenCycleMap and
waymarkedtrails.org renderings to track, update and properly display
the USA's nascent nationwide bicycle network.
Cheers,
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data, it is the dawn of a new day for nationwide bicycle routing in
the USA!
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: Is there an online (audio/video) venue which
has less onerous Terms of Service than Google's? A way to
technologically solve a delightfully impromptu meeting like this
without using a corporate host that insists upon taking from us
everything we discuss within its digital domain?
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out!
Just (re-) throwing it out there,
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For those interested in highway shields:
Phil, Ian and myself put some more time in on getting shields
working on the OSM-US server last week. We actually got things
mostly working but did run into a brick wall. Unfortunately
there.
We're all grown ups here.
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in the community who give back
so much. It's the same thing: shared wisdom.
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Bryce Nesbitt writes:
3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to
look at and comment on. Hopefully that comment is great job,
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