Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
With 3 5400 RPM drives in a RAID 5 I am surprised that it didn't take longer. Is this with or without table clustering? Or does osm2pgsql not include that as part of the process (as the default osmosis load script does)? On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Brian DeRocher
This is with clustering. That is to say it ran queries like this: create table foo_temp as select * from foo order by way; But i did not see something like this: cluster foo; I see now from PG 9.1 documention that CLUSTER is a one-time operation. So it's effectively the same thing. I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/12/17 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: Brian, the wiki page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks 6.6 days seems to be very long though. comparing with the times I usually get (more than a week, no raid, 7200sata disk, 8GB RAM) it is not so long. When you look at

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM import stats

2012-12-17 Thread Brian DeRocher
Stats posted http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks#Planet_import_on_custom_server_VM_.2810_cores.2C_16_GB.2C_RAID5.29 -- Brian DeRocher http://brian.derocher.org http://mappingdc.org http://about.me/brian.derocher ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Tracing and offset error

2012-12-08 Thread Michael S
Since I am also interested in this discussion I'd like to crosspost my answer also to the talk mailing list: Hello Gerhardus, In the absence of immediate local presence, is tracing acceptable and not wasted effort. Personally I only do aerial image mapping to a limited extent because I fear

[OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24 for Desarrollando America Latina

2012-11-19 Thread Alex Barth
In prep for this year's pan latin american Desarrollando America Latina hackathon Vitor George from @mapaslivres and myself will host OSM webcasts in Spanish and Portuguese: http://mapbox.com/blog/talleres-mapeo-desarrollando-america-latina/ If you know of communities or individuals who would

Re: [Talk-cl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24 for Desarrollando America Latina

2012-11-19 Thread Danilo Lacoste
)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com Date: 19 November 2012 12:44 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24 for Desarrollando America Latina To: openstreetmap Talk t...@openstreetmap.org Cc: Vitor

Re: [Talk-cl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24 for

2012-11-19 Thread Roberto Moreno P.
15:00 Para: Julio Costa Zambelli CC: talk-cl Asunto: Re: [Talk-cl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24 for Desarrollando America Latina en relaci=C3=B3n a lo mismo, alguien va a ir al Desarrollando America Latina ? Me gustar=C3=ADa armar un equipo, y si la idea es con OpenStreetMap, mucho

Re: [Talk-cl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24 for Desarrollando America Latina

2012-11-19 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com Date: 19 November 2012 12:44 Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM webcasts on Nov 24

[OSM-talk] OSM being used by Boston Globe (US)

2012-10-30 Thread Greg Troxel
I noticed this morning a map on boston.com (which is part of the Globe, it seems): http://www.boston.com/news/weather/specials/hurricane_sandy_reports_mapped/ The map data looked like it was from nOSM, but there was no attribution (only that it used leaflet), so I wondered. I sent a note to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-21 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: So again no real argument why when a Frenchmen uploads thousands of buildings a day he is doing something really different than someone of a different nationality doing the same. No difference. The difference is not French/Others but more Bulk Import of raw

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-20 Thread Christian Quest
Richard, there is a misunderstanding there... I'm in favor of your changeset tags idea as a replacement to the dedicated account. I see it more efficient to track data source than unlisted dedicated accounts, hundreds of them sometimes for the same data source. 2012/10/19 Richard Fairhurst

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 10/18/2012 11:13 PM, Cartinus wrote: On 10/18/2012 09:44 PM, Christian Rogel wrote: By the way, could you stand receiving any message in a language you cannot understand. that seems to be looking for infuriating the non-English speaking users? On 10/18/2012 10:30 PM, Eric Marsden wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Paul Norman
From: Jean-Marc Liotier [mailto:j...@liotier.org] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration) Of course, international collaboration requires a common ground and the Internet has

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread THEVENON Julien
De : Paul Norman penor...@mac.com If the French community has contact info (email preferred) for someone who speaks both English and French and is willing to take on dealing with contacting users and getting them to use dedicated accounts I'd welcome it. But you already have it (  Christian

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Simon Poole
Am 19.10.2012 00:47, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: This is off topic in this thread, but I'd like to set the record straight. Who do you refer to as we when you say you had to spend any time sorting those changes? T Just so that it is clear to our dear readers: there is no doubt

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
My opinion as an italian contributor On 2012-10-18 at 14:34:37 -0700, Jérome Armau wrote: In non-English-speaking countries, that also means that the average contributor: - does not have a very good command of English (beyond the tagging standards) - does not know about services such as

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 18.10.2012 23:34, schrieb Jérome Armau: Keep in mind that we're trying to make the openstreetmap project accessible to a larger share of the population. In every single country, that means appealing to a non-computer-geek crowd. For example, the usage of -Djosm.home=dir is dark magic to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/10/2012 10:14, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote: you can't expect people from the project to speak French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish and every other language spoken whenever people want to form a local OSM community (or just map). That is why intermediaries are needed - and why the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 19.10.2012 10:14, schrieb Elena ``of Valhalla'': what you should do as a local community is to setup a translation team that translates important messages / threads from this (and other important global mailing lists) to and from the local one. +1 Just as an example: not every person in

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Dear Elena, Dear all, Cari amici, Chers amis, Liebe Freundinnen und Freunde, Sevgili Arkadaşlar, Dragi prieteni oí galera, ... First of all thank you Elena for your comments. May I aks you *all* to cool down a little bit. What I read here in the last days,

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2012-10-19 at 10:36:40 +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 19/10/2012 10:14, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote: you can't expect people from the project to speak French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish and every other language spoken whenever people want to form a local OSM community (or just

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/10/2012 11:36, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: I think we have the same aims, and the HOW TO should be resolved. I do believe that deep down inside we have the same implicit goals. But there seem to be a few misunderstanding about how to turn those implicit common goals into explicit common

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/10/2012 11:42, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote: On 2012-10-19 at 10:36:40 +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: That is why intermediaries are needed - and why the English speakers must learn to accept the need for international intermediation. who are these English speakers? They are you and me

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Cher Jean-Marc and all 2012/10/19 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org On 19/10/2012 11:36, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: I think we have the same aims, and the HOW TO should be resolved. Tu crois qu'il est juste de répondre seulement à une phrase? Non, je ne croix pas. Ca c'est tout simple! I

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread f . dos . santos
De : Paul Norman penor...@mac.com If the French community has contact info (email preferred) for someone who speaks both English and French and is willing to take on dealing with contacting users and getting them to use dedicated accounts I'd welcome it. But you already have it (

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Christian Quest
No problem for me as long as the process in setting such hard rules is transparent, community driven and reaches a consensus which is obviously not the case at all stages here. That's why I ask questions about governance... but nobody seems to be interested and prefer to keep on focusing the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Alex Barth
FWIW, I'm interested to see the disagreeing parties to get together and work out a solution, I'm a friend of subsidiarity, but we clearly have a couple of OSM-global issues to solve: - proper tracking of imports given current technical limitations - ideal solutions and the path there -

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/10/2012 13:07, Alex Barth wrote: FWIW, I'm interested to see the disagreeing parties to get together and work out a solution, I'm a friend of subsidiarity, but we clearly have a couple of OSM-global issues to solve: - proper tracking of imports given current technical limitations -

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Cartinus
On 10/19/2012 08:40 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I was looking for examples of cultural imperialism - here is a very nice one, thanks ! You cut off the P.S. No, English is not my native language. and missed the .nl in my e-mail address. -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/10/2012 14:35, Cartinus wrote: On 10/19/2012 08:40 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I was looking for examples of cultural imperialism - here is a very nice one, thanks ! You cut off the P.S. No, English is not my native language. and missed the .nl in my e-mail address Willing vassals are

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Olivier Croquette
On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: Preamble: all (Netherlands, English, Italien, French, German, DWG ...) here on the list would ensure the quality of data in OSM. Facts: 1. Our french friends have done and will do imports into the database from cadastre. 2. Some

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Olivier Croquette
On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: and last but not least ... please cool down ... dont talk to me about cultural differences - try to solve the issue. Oh, and by the way, I really don't think the root cause of the situation has anything to do with cultural differences,

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi Oliver ... thank you for a factual and explanatory answer. At least I hope you can stop the flamewar. 2012/10/19 Olivier Croquette m...@ocroquette.de On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: Preamble: all (Netherlands, English, Italien, French, German, DWG ...) here on

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 19/10/2012 15:30, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: At least I hope you can stop the flamewar. Talking about that, members of the talk-fr mailing list are discussing pragmatic solutions that might bring everyone together at last: - On the political plane, there is talk about how a qualified

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 19 October 2012 09:17, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: .. The UMP imports show nicely how broken at least object level source tagging is, a large number of objects have/were infected by source tags from UMP imports without actually being derived from such data requiring heuristics to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Talking about that, members of the talk-fr mailing list are discussing pragmatic solutions that might bring everyone together Good luck. I tried that last month: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-September/064482.html and immediately got shouted down

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Jo
(Désolé d'envoyer ce mail en anglais sur la liste talk-fr, mais c'est plutôt dirigé vers talk en général) I have been following talk-fr myself and my opinion on the 'efforts' of pnorman is that he is trying very hard to chase away well meaning contributors in France. The French cadastre is just

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/18 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: The French are integrating the data of the cadastre, their surveys, their local knowledge and Bing aerial images to improve Openstreetmap.org as a whole. They are not doing a bulk import that needs to be sorted out later on. The local community's opinion

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
[I know it might be painfull to continue this discussion on talk, but it's even worse on talk-fr as lots of people don't read english and will be anoyed by this discussion, so I'm switching to an english talking mailing list] Frederik, See, the same applies to DWG as well. It is utterly

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread THEVENON Julien
regards Julien De : Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com À : winfi...@gmail.com Cc : osm talk@openstreetmap.org; d...@osmfoundation.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 18 octobre 2012 13h10 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/18/12 08:43, Jo wrote: The French are integrating the data of the cadastre, their surveys, their local knowledge and Bing aerial images to improve Openstreetmap.org as a whole. They are not doing a bulk import that needs to be sorted out later on. Anyone who uploads 1 houses in

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi martin, please also see the other side's motivation: there is good reason not to put meta data into the main database but on a changeset level, You have to prove such a claim and then compare it to the bad reasons not to http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/source#values (There are

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: (creating a separate account) Why is this such a big deal for people? Frederik, It's true that only a small part of the French community imports buildings. And DWG only detects a part of them, only those using big

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 18.10.2012 13:45, schrieb sly (sylvain letuffe): Hi martin, please also see the other side's motivation: there is good reason not to put meta data into the main database but on a changeset level, You have to prove such a claim and then compare it to the bad reasons not to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi Peter, To set these in josm use the corresponding tab in the upload dialog of JOSM. Sorry for beeing unclear, yes I know that, I was refering to the other way round. A way to automatically add changeset tags in JOSM, without I forgot, too long, too hard, too... based on a previous

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/18/12 13:56, Pieren wrote: Even if you don't ask, I will reply: - no argument has been able to convince people that this rule is necessary here (I will not repeat all the arguments already mentionned in the past weeks). That is actually not new in DWG work. It does sometimes happen

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 18.10.2012 14:08, schrieb sly (sylvain letuffe): Hi Peter, To set these in josm use the corresponding tab in the upload dialog of JOSM. Sorry for beeing unclear, yes I know that, I was refering to the other way round. A way to automatically add changeset tags in JOSM, without I forgot, too

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Just because you are not convinced that a certain rule is good, doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you. C'mon Frederik. We are not talking about a single contributor. Perhaps from outside, you have this impression but it

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/18 THEVENON Julien julien_theve...@yahoo.fr: There is generally a problem with entering data for which you are not the full rights holder and which is not in the PD. The data you import/merge has strings attached (requires attribution which may not be removed) which might lead to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread THEVENON Julien
De : Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com My French is a bit rusty but I think that this is the crucial part: non soumise aux droits patrimoniaux d’auteur Now compare to this paragraph:

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Henning Scholland
Just a question: If I filter all buildings with cadastre-source out of an osm-planet and publish this extract under ODbL it is illegal? If so, this is a very problematic thing. It should be allowed, to do anything that ODbL-license (and also cc-by-sa license did this before) allows me to do

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de wrote: Just a question: If I filter all buildings with cadastre-source out of an osm-planet and publish this extract under ODbL it is illegal? There is no difference between ODbl and CC-by-SA on this point. But please, forward

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de wrote: Just a question: If I filter all buildings with cadastre-source out of an osm-planet and publish this extract under ODbL it is illegal? There is no difference between ODbl and

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/18/12 14:41, Pieren wrote: It's more than 5 minutes if you have to create first a new email account (I know now all the tricks to duplicate our first email account but then explain why a different email address is still required) then spend time to continuously switch from one account

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pierre Enclos wrote: Henning Scholland wrote: Just a question: If I filter all buildings with cadastre-source out of an osm-planet and publish this extract [...] it is illegal? There is no difference between ODbl and CC-by-SA on this point. Which may be true but is largely irrelevant. :)

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: [...] But 1 houses? Show me the brain that has enough local knowledge to individually verify them, or show me the mapper who compares them against aerial imagery. You may call it integrating, but uploading 1 houses is 99,9% cadastre, 0,1%

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de wrote: Just a question: If I filter all buildings with cadastre-source out of an osm-planet and publish this extract under ODbL it is illegal? It's now a composite work because users has add tag (adresses, name, amenity, shop...) to raw original data (and

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Both of these are technical issues that could be solved, and I'm prepared to help solve them - at least on the JOSM side, it would be easy to make it so that JOSM can store multiple identities and when you hit upload you can select which identity to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Christian Quest
So far, the only explanation about the usesulness of the dedicated account is linked to tracking imported data or I missed something on the wiki. If this is the goal, why small changesets of imported data may not require a dedicated account ? This data doesn't need to be tracked ? I'm also

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Alex Barth
On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: So far, the only explanation about the usesulness of the dedicated account is linked to tracking imported data or I missed something on the wiki. Same here, I'd like to understand this better. Conceptually it seems

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Christian Rogel
As I said previously, the DGW cannot be only charged about its rude behaviour. The fault is up to the Foundation. Let 's say ay that the Board of Directors, newly elected, has to kept the Community in peace. It has to clarify its links with the DWG and precise in which cases a so-called

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Frank Steggink
On 18-10-2012 20:52, Christian Quest wrote: So far, the only explanation about the usesulness of the dedicated account is linked to tracking imported data or I missed something on the wiki. If this is the goal, why small changesets of imported data may not require a dedicated account ? This

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Eric Marsden
fr == Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: fr If I do that, would that change the attitude towards the separate fr account question, or would it be a a waste of time? Frederik, you are focussing on the technical ramifications of this rather narrow separate account issue, but in

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Christian, I think you are mixing up things here. There is a general requirement for a dedicated import account, and you write yourself that you think that it is good to use a dedicated import in some cases. While this requirement is in theory a general requirement, DWG has never

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Mike N
On 10/18/2012 3:57 PM, Frank Steggink wrote: Does nobody know about the -Djosm.home=dir parameter you can pass to JOSM when starting up? It can be put easily in a shortcut. The difficulty is that any JOSM customization (styles, plugins, preferences) becomes spread among multiple accounts

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Cartinus
On 10/18/2012 09:44 PM, Christian Rogel wrote: By the way, could you stand receiving any message in a language you cannot understand. that seems to be looking for infuriating the non-English speaking users? On 10/18/2012 10:30 PM, Eric Marsden wrote: - the way in which DWG is undertaking

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Christian Quest
2012/10/18 Eric Marsden eric.mars...@free.fr: fr == Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: fr If I do that, would that change the attitude towards the separate fr account question, or would it be a a waste of time? Frederik, you are focussing on the technical ramifications of this

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Jérome Armau
Keep in mind that we're trying to make the openstreetmap project accessible to a larger share of the population. In every single country, that means appealing to a non-computer-geek crowd. For example, the usage of -Djosm. home=dir is dark magic to most people. Even though it's acceptable to most

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Jérome Armau jerar...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that we're trying to make the openstreetmap project accessible to a larger share of the population. In every single country, that means appealing to a non-computer-geek crowd. For example, the usage of

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Cartinus
On 10/18/2012 11:34 PM, Jérome Armau wrote: Keep in mind that we're trying to make the openstreetmap project accessible to a larger share of the population. In every single country, that means appealing to a non-computer-geek crowd. For example, the usage of -Djosm. home=dir is dark magic to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Jo
2012/10/18 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hi, On 10/18/12 14:41, Pieren wrote: It's more than 5 minutes if you have to create first a new email account (I know now all the tricks to duplicate our first email account but then explain why a different email address is still required)

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Apollinaire
Cartinus wrote I think it is more reasonable to assume that any contributor to a multinational open project like openstreetmap knows how to use lt;http://translate.google.comgt; or any other such service. The continued use of the argument the message was not in French is just silly. You

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Jérome Armau
I think your approach based solely on the dataset size has limits. A typical French village with a few hundred inhabitants will include somewhere around 15,000 nodes and 500 building-tagged ways (that's a village I know with 200 inhabitants). Now, integrating such amounts of data doesn't mean that

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 18 October 2012 23:05, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: In a recent message, to talk-it (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2012-September/030778.html), Paul writes We recognize that the line between an import and assisted mapping is not currently clearly defined;

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Michael Kugelmann
On 18.10.2012 15:02, THEVENON Julien wrote: it means that we cannot distribute raw data coming from Cadastre alone. We are allowed to distribute them only if they are part of composite dataset/work ( = mixed with data coming from other sources ) and only if we add to them the information that

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Michael Kugelmann
On 18.10.2012 14:19, Frederik Ramm wrote: In the end, we have no choice but to block them; if, even though we tried, someone doesn't want to play by the rules then he can't play at all. Just because you are not convinced that a certain rule is good, doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you. I

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 19.10.2012 00:02, schrieb Apollinaire: Now, I let you play with your favorite tool : translate.google.com Bonjour, [...] Gaëtan auch wenn die Gramatik nach FR = DE dort sehr schlecht ist: it is readable to just fly over it understanding sufficient content and quicker to read it it in

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Jérome Armau
And that's exactly why we're all here, discussing the issue. So that we can come up with answers regarding: 1) What the exact role of the DWG is 2) How the DWG should go about interacting with the various communities and individual contributors across the globe 3) Whether and how

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Sorry: is going it's complete way in basic issues: is going it's complete seperate way in basic issues: ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-fr] Continued aggression against French contributors (cadastre integration)

2012-10-18 Thread Cartinus
On 10/19/2012 12:02 AM, Apollinaire wrote: Je suis cette affaire d'un peu loin depuis le début, mais avec assez d'intérêt pour aller jeter un coup d’œil sur le talk « General Discussion » de temps en temps. Lorsque j'ai vu certains ramener leurs fraises pour dire « la règle c'est la règle »

Re: [OSM-talk] Osm to distribute south africa geodata

2012-10-09 Thread Sindile Bidla
Well I have not seen an official announcement on this maybe i missed it. NGI aerial imagery is available as a backdrop on OSM, not sure about vector data though. Kudos to all involved. On 25 November 2011 12:27, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 25 November 2011 07:22,

[OSM-talk] OSM Data layers

2012-09-20 Thread Arun Ganesh
The import guideline thread spam got me thinking about how such an issue could be solved cleanly. I have forever had a problem with the OSM data being one big blob instead of using all that semantic information to group and organize the objects. There are a host of issues like importing datasets

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSMcompiler tool

2012-09-16 Thread Mike Dupont
Thanks for sharing! mike On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Pedro Larroy pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I released some code to process OSM data from PBF dumps in python. https://github.com/larroy/osmcompiler There's an example implementation to store osm data in mongodb, but it's

[OSM-talk] OSM Kyiv Workshop

2012-09-07 Thread Nate Smith
As an extra event to Tech Camp Kyiv (http://techcampkyiv.org/) happening next week, we are planning an introductory OpenStreetMap workshop on Friday, September 14: http://osmkyivworkshop.eventbrite.com/. This workshop will be a hands-on introduction to OpenStreetMap which will review the basics

[OSM-talk] OSM Inspector Potlatch Tiles?

2012-09-01 Thread Andrew Gregory
I've just tried to use the OSM Inspector Potlatch background as given at: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=96 But they didn't work. Have they moved? Was it just a temporary thing? My real reason for asking is that I'd like to integrate them into Vespucci (Android OSM editor). -- Andrew

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Nominatim data and code updates

2012-08-27 Thread Pieren
Finally, when I search Paris, the French capital is not anymore displayed after 10 US towns and boundaries ;-) Thank you Brian and Sarah. Nominatim is really one of the greatest tools using OSM data. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Matej Cepl
Hi, I am currently on the holidays in Italy (whole review of using OSM will come when I come back), but one thing I really wonder about is whether there is some Yelp/Google Reviews community based equivalent. The first thing we came to the camp in the Italy, we have picked up Google Maps (in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
There was some talk about using a Separate Data Server to do something like this: https://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server/raw/master/doc/sds.pdf We just need someones initiative :) I was thinking about a mashup of osm data and sites with restaurant critics like TripAdvisor. They don't have very

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Not OSM, but slightly (and possibly-maybe increasingly) using OSM (website only, and as background layer only, currently): Foursquare. I actually started using 4sq again after they not only started using OSM (with above limitations) and blogged about their wish to do more with OSM -- but after I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 22/08/2012 23:15, Matej Cepl wrote: Is there some project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on OSM, or at least plans to do something like that? Maybe POIstory.it [1] (not exactly as free as OSM, but they use OSM and release their data as CC-BY-SA). You can create an

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Alex Barth
On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Is there some project like Yelp/Google Reviews community-based and based on OSM, or at least plans to do something like that? wikitravel.org comes to mind, they're far from tracking POIs as such, but they talk about them all the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Ian Sergeant
The Wikitravel community is (hopefully) in the process of migrating to the WMF servers, which will hopefully give us more technical capability in this area. It is frustrating to enter the coords, with no site capability to display them. Closer integration with OSM is certainly sought into the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-based community-maintained yelp-like project?

2012-08-22 Thread Alex Barth
Fantastic, wasn't aware of the migration plans in Wikitravel! Any specific plans on further integration with OSM? On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikitravel community is (hopefully) in the process of migrating to the WMF servers, which will hopefully

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Legal in OSM reimplementation project

2012-08-17 Thread Phil! Gold
* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com [2012-08-16 14:58 -0400]: Could some consideration be given to grandfathering, ie if your existing use of our data is non profit or government and you are not supplying our data to third parties then you are permitted to continue to use the data as if it was

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Legal in OSM reimplementation project

2012-08-17 Thread Frans Thamura
Hi all Should we write cc by sa and openstreetmap in main page and show those in every map that use it. our apps is opensource under apache, but hosted version as saas also available.. and we have 2 options, for indonesian user we recommend using osmosa.net and outside indonesia using

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Legal in OSM reimplementation project

2012-08-17 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: Should we write cc by sa and openstreetmap in main page and show those in every map that use it. see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F (c)

[OSM-talk] OSM Legal in OSM reimplementation project

2012-08-16 Thread Frans Thamura
hi all we reimplement back the planet of osm, to our server, under IIX, www.osmosa.net, and there are several feedback from Alex, regarding the license in my main page, there are information regarding openstreetmap. i am now writing a legal statement that we must put in our server and web, if

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Legal in OSM reimplementation project

2012-08-16 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hello Frans, On 16.08.2012 18:10, Frans Thamura wrote: but i still need to know also, for apps that using openstreetmap, esp osmand, etc, where is the legal standard that we must comply Currently the OpenStreetMap DATA is licensed und CC-BY-SA. You can find all relevant information regarding

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Legal in OSM reimplementation project

2012-08-16 Thread john whelan
Perhaps some one could sum up the implications for data consumers. It may sound silly but it can take up many months to get formal approval in some government circles. Could some consideration be given to grandfathering, ie if your existing use of our data is non profit or government and you are

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