Re: [Talk-GB] Pigging potlach ...

2012-01-12 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On 11 Jan 2012 22:08, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Lester Caine wrote: I know what areas of data I am working on. OK Just crashed it again ... but having done at least a couple of hours work and saved MOST of it. So to log current state ... Flash area just went grey Bottom

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-25 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 03:13:27 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: [follow-ups to legal-talk please] David Murn wrote: I have no interest in the legal detail of the licence, only interested in

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes

2010-10-27 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 26/10/2010 10:04, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Andy Mabbetta...@pigsonthewing.org.uk  wrote: On 25 October 2010 12:47, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com  wrote: Shaun McDonaldsh...@...  writes: I

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN station codes

2010-10-26 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 25 October 2010 12:47, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Shaun McDonald sh...@... writes: I have been adding the three letter short code as the ref tag when I have been editing around stations. e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly

Re: [OSM-talk] How does one get the default cyclemap rendering amended?

2010-10-11 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
Hi, You can put in requests or bug reports through trac. Details are on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenCycleMap I don't believe anything is done, or planned to be done, with bicycle=designated at the moment. Dave On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, john whelan

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-09-01 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
This is a direct consequence of OSM not being PD ! From our Homepage: The project (OSM) was started because most maps you think of as free actually have legal or technical restrictions on their use, holding back people from using them in creative, productive, or unexpected ways. This is

Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app

2010-08-21 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com wrote: I would love to have an iPad app to map with.  I've actually just come back from a Mapzen POI Collector mapping trip around a town that could have really used an iPad to add some roads and other features.  But from

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-16 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:19:42 +0200, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Jonas Stein wrote: In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint empty nodes in the map to mark things like road is not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA derived ODbL data

2010-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: Richard gave me an idea for mixing the stew. Let's say that a user who stays with CC-BY-SA has drawn crossing streets and buildings around the corner. Then another user who is willing to go with ODbL locates

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA derived ODbL data

2010-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: Richard gave me an idea for mixing the stew. Let's say that a user who stays with CC-BY-SA has drawn crossing streets and buildings around the corner. Then another user who is willing to go with ODbL locates

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Change - moving forward

2010-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:24 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 23:04, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: If you support the share-alike concept, I urge you to accept the new Contributor Terms which provides for a coherent Attribution, Share-Alike license

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted - spare CC-BY-SA account

2010-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 23:44, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: In case i dont care and like PD more than CC-BY-SA or even worse the ODbl i would be more than happy to continue with CC-BY-SA and accept it to fail in court,

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: SteveC-2 wrote: One quote from the talk in particular comes to mind: it's a technique that poisonous people can use to derail a consensus-based community from actually achieving consensus. You have this noisy minority

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:05 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 July 2010 18:59, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik, again you mix it all up. I said i'm fine with ODBL (and so far everyone who rants about CT says nothing bad about ODBL). I truely respect

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes to Shapefile

2010-04-26 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Kev js1982 o...@kevswindells.eu wrote: I am currently trying to create a series of shapefiles from postcodes (using OS Open Geo Data) using the code from Random Junk

Re: [Talk-GB] OS StreetView accuracy: caution!

2010-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote: On 9 April 2010 18:40, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: Hasn't one of OSM's (many) mantras been doesn't matter if it's approximate: someone can always improve it later or rough is better than nothing? Sure, some

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
It's worth noting that the Yahoo aerial photography is also out of date; in some cases [1] people have traced streets from the photo which bear no relation to what's on the ground.  Yet nobody suggests we should stop tracing from it. Yes they do.

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm in line with this view too. We cannot assume that the OS mapping is correct, it may or may not be current or accurate, so it's useful as a guide in the absence of any other verification source.

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:26 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: If we use only manual surveying, we can only achieve coverage of about 1%. I don't think that is satisfactory. Imports are

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 18:07 +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: Basically: please don't break the map :-) perhaps a stupid question... Is there no version control? I couldn't find anything on the wiki about it. Sure. But if you

[Talk-GB] Post code map updated with a Code-Point Open layer

2010-04-01 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
Hi, The Ordnance Survey OpenData released today contains a dataset called Code-Point Open giving the coordinates of about 1.5 million postcodes. I've added a layer onto the postcode area map to show this data in the same way it's been showing NPE, OSM and FreeThePostcode data for some time. Go

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM will move to Java6

2010-03-11 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The world doesn't require Potlatch 2 wondrousness. The world would already sigh with relief if Potlatch could be made to not break relation ordering when a way is split ;-) Has the world

Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of Newbie Editor

2010-02-28 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2010 19:44, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: There are two big advantages of a simple mode

Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of Newbie Editor

2010-02-26 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2010 19:44, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: There are two big advantages of a simple mode to an existing full editor:  - you don't have to write the OSM handling parts again, even a simple

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-26 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: ...or figuring out how to attract more flash coders. Speaking for myself, I didn't know there were opportunities to work on PL2. A few more obvious

Re: [OSM-talk] Contributing to PL2 (was: Re: Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back)

2010-02-26 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: There have been a number of posts to dev on the subject, sorry you missed them. If you want to get involved then that's great. You can see

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-14 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
Free release of the raster products would also harm public perceptions of Ordnance Survey. The perception of OS is that they're data hoarders (which the tax payer payed for) in the belief that 'knowledge is power' Umm, no. The public perception of the OS is that they make pretty maps of

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-22 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 02:30:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 22/12/09 14:11, John Smith wrote: When does anyone plan to use SSL to protect passwords and users on OSM? It's on my to do list to create a CSR and give to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
Have you seen this? http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/3/3c/License_Proposal.pdf Under the section 'So what should I do?' 'Refuse', it says: Your contributions will not be deleted Yet if you click on the link to the backup plan

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote

2009-12-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: Can I also be sorry for being pedantic and point out an issue with the license. The OSMF decided to base themselves in the UK and is A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales. Company

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Licence vote

2009-12-07 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Sorry to be pedantic but the wording of the OSMF member vote is: Do you approve the process of moving OpenStreetMap to the ODbL? Yes, I approve. No, I do not approve. Unfortunately this sentence on which we are asked

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
as far as i can see the contributor terms definition says the same thing, except ... ...except the context is different.  With CC BY-SA you are giving everyone the same rights.  With the Contributor Terms the only one to have those rights is the OSMF. But only with the condition that

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-10-29 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:29:37 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: Although it may/may not be illegal, it is definitely a breach of contract. Sorry for misleading title, but I still don't understand how this can be

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 05/10/09 11:04, Dave Stubbs wrote: As the person whose first came up with a no-names map for London (well, actually it was a named map of London, turned into a nonames map on SteveC's suggestion), I have an *official

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Dave Stubbs writes:   I was convinced otherwise by some very persuasive arguments and now   think it's completely not worth doing and not at all important. I'm not convinced.  Could you share them? a) what are you actually

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote: On 06/10/09 15:18, Dave Stubbs wrote: a) what are you actually marking?   - no name in OSM -- we know that already   - the mapper didn't find a name -- so we shouldn't check again? Probably not, no. Just as when

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Matt Amos writes:   forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it? Why do people keep saying that I want to use force?  From where do they get this idea?  Have I ever suggested the use of force?  Gun, knife,

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-05 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged the use of yes/no it would be a way forward. Potlatch does indeed have 'yes' (rather than 'true'

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote: No, he is a leader because we respect him.  THAT is how leaders in an anarchic state

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
I'm tired of this silly true/false 1/0 yes/no up/down left/right in/out fore/aft port/starboard debate/debacle.  It's trivial, it's stupid, we could just as easily toss a coin as engage in any rational debate about how binary values should be expressed. When it prevents flickr etc from

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-30 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Frankie Roberto wrote: 2009/9/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com     It works for building=yes, but not building=true. Well, Flickr says     This is a feature in OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-30 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: I wouldn't read too much into it, especially as they said, we’ve almost certainly got at least some of it wrong but hopefully we got part of it right and can correct the rest as we go Dave You see

Re: [OSM-talk] trunk_link ref=*

2009-09-25 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: Dave F. wrote: Personally, I don't think these should be rendered on the main maps, osmarender:renderRef is a tag to prevent rendering. I said 'maps', plural. One renderer's trick of not showing certain features is certainly

Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest

2009-09-18 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: 2009/9/18 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: ***PLEASE*** PULL THE PLUG ON HIM! Is it a good idea to remove the Live Change Feature in Potlatch for everyone. I'm thinking this is the cause for a lot of our problems.

Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest

2009-09-18 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 18/09/2009 10:53, Tom Hughes wrote: On 18/09/09 10:33, David Earl wrote: Tom - this is persistent continuous abuse. I really think we have to block his IP address until such time as we can work out how to deal

Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest

2009-09-18 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: I agree. I think it would be even more useful to be able to quarantine particular users changesets for manual review so

Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest

2009-09-17 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 17/09/2009 14:38, David Earl wrote: On 17/09/2009 14:35, David Earl wrote: Another one at 13:56, also failed to revert http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2511524 changeset upload failed: 412

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes map moribund?

2009-09-14 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Hi, I set about correcting a few dozen post code entries in NPE for south east London, but the postcodes map doesn't seem to be updating:

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes map moribund?

2009-09-14 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Dan Karran d...@karran.net wrote: 2009/9/14 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: OK, back up and running now. Thanks for getting that up and running again Dave. Would it be possible for you to include labels for the postal sectors on there as well, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:11 PM, MPsingular...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/09/2009, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'm against voting. Voting is a way to take responsibility away from the   individual. I think that in most cases we should strive to have   individuals responsible for

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'd like to do a Brainstorming about how a Revert-Tool could look like, that is more open to the Community, can be used without programming knowledge and is able to to reverts fast. I'm thinking of a process like this:

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dave Stubbsosm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: As far as I know most of the tools used for reverting currently are also public -- the problem being, they're dangerous to use if you don't know what

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: You could check the tool on the edits made over the previous two months by Liam123, some of which have still not been reverted for lack of a suitable tool to achieve it. Are you talking about

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009-09-03 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Peter Miller wrote: Only 'established users' can upload images to Wikipedia and I would suggest that the revert option is only available to established OSM users. It would need to take many edits to get

Re: [Talk-GB] Cycle Map - without the cycleway?

2009-08-26 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM, WessexMariowessexmario-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'd like to use the OSM Cycle Map rendering at different zoom levels as the base layer for a project I'm doing, but I want to overlay something else, and the emphasised cycleways in large red lines are both

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: [OSM-talk] copyright problemwith datacopiedfrom a map

2009-08-18 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Peter Millerpeter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 18 Aug 2009, at 10:30, Tom Hughes wrote: On 18/08/09 09:27, Peter Miller wrote: Andy mentions that copyright violation needs to go to the Data Working Group. Why? Sure the foundation needs a log of action of

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes map moribund?

2009-08-17 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Tom Chancet...@acrewoods.net wrote: Hi, I set about correcting a few dozen post code entries in NPE for south east London, but the postcodes map doesn't seem to be updating:

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-12 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Tom Chance wrote: - Tags are proposed on the wiki, no change to current practice - If the proposal throws into question existing, accepted tags, defer the proposal to small working groups - These working groups study

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Tom Chancet...@acrewoods.net wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:13:39 +0200, Martin Simon wrote: Path was and is intended to provide an alternative tagging scheme for things tagged with footway/bridleway/cycleway before that is not biased mode-of-transport-wise.

Re: [OSM-talk] to all potlatch and JOSM users - automatic simplification of geometry

2009-08-09 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Stefan de Koninkste...@konink.de wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Stefan de Konink wrote: And then you realise that the alignment of Yahoo Imagery is wrong on most places, and you have killed good vector material. Great job :) Good

Re: [Talk-GB] Liam123 again

2009-08-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Jeffrey Martindogs...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we want different policies for different areas and different kinds of data. For example once all the roads are mapped we freeze the roads, but we allow free changing of street names until they reach a freeze point.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Where do we stand regarding collective/derivative databases

2009-07-28 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Matt Amos wrote: LWG cannot entirely resolve these questions, as they need open discussion and community consensus (which we obviously can't provide on our own). even then, final interpretation is up to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlsruhe schema with address ranges

2009-07-21 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:19:25AM +, Joe Richards wrote: I am tagging some buildings which contain multiple addresses in them, but not interpolated

Re: [Talk-GB] Reverting all Liam123's edits

2009-07-21 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:16 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: For the record: I agree with Peter that we need to undo this user's changes, however it is done, and that it could cause large parts of East Anglia to be wiped out if data that happened to have his name on were to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names (was: Potted plants vs. garden beds)

2009-07-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/7/7 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: Ed Avis eda at waniasset.com writes: Rather than plant_type=orange_tree or similar, I think it would make more sense to tag plants and trees with the scientific (Latin) name of their species or hybrid.  These are already standardized and the local language

Re: [Talk-GB] Amenity Editing

2009-07-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/7/4 Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com: No need for relations. Just tag each address with addr:postcode or postal_code and all is sorted. Tag it with addr:postcode as that seems to be the system for now. And in case you haven't seen it:

Re: [Talk-GB] Amenity Editing

2009-07-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/7/4 Jack Stringer jack.ix...@googlemail.com: The reson for removing it would help in clarifying which one is to be used. Which one is that then? :-) Also for the programmers it saves on having to call 2 tags. Meh.. took me ten seconds for that map. If we take the atitude you suggest

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/7/3 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote: Thomas Schäfer wrote: sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its protocol) is changing. We (the admins) are all

Re: [OSM-talk] CanVec:CODE vs. CanVec:UUID -relevancy

2009-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/26 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: Hi all, Im sending it out to everyone, as its of international significance when dealing with bulk data. The 4 general tags attribution=Natural Resources Canada - tells the users what agency it came from (public/private)

Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

2009-06-18 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/18 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com: On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:07 AM, Joe Richards wrote: Maybe http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0lon=-0zoom=2 would be more diplomatic, but then we should be using a map that did not make the Uk, India, Brazil and New Zealand all the same size. snip

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted feature for API 0.7 ??

2009-06-09 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/9 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de: Hi! Dave Stubbs schrieb: Which just tells you those aren't the appropriate tags of which matt speaks. Careful selection of tags means that nothing existing needs to change, unless it's to make life easier for the user by adding filtering features

Re: [Talk-GB] Freemap (OSM for walkers) - increased coverage

2009-06-09 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/9 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Jonathan Bennettopenstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Ed Loach wrote: Have you a wiki page to say how to tag for things to render under each category? Tag...  Render... BURN HIM! BURN! :-) Gah, the common

Re: [OSM-talk] Cathedral or chapel

2009-06-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/8 Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap@earth.li: On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:12:13AM +0100, Dave Stubbs wrote: You could have done church_type=cathedral, church_type=church, and church_type=chapel (arbitrary tag name choice... probably not a good one) and let the renderer figure out

Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted feature for API 0.7 ??

2009-06-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/8 Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com: as frederik says, it doesn't need to be implemented in the API - all of it can already be done client-side using the appropriate tags*. Well several Users made the point that this would break all applications that exist today, as they

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans National Cycle Network Mileposts and Art

2009-06-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/8 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Sustrans do not have accurate locations for their mileposts and art so are interested in data gathered by OSM contributors. I'll try to get all the ones on the northern half of NCN 7 the

Re: [OSM-talk] How do we specify relative importance of features across all types of features?

2009-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/4 Stephan Plepelits sk...@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at: Hi Folks! I'm the one who originally created the proposal. On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:52:33PM +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hmmm... I guess the main problem that people have is that a tag like importance (or its synonyms) is

Re: [Talk-GB] maxspeed field - what units should we use. etc

2009-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/4 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: I have been looking at the coverage of maxspeed limit data for highways in the UK and we seem to have a right mix of styles. Here is the data for bug chunk of England while avoiding including anything from France or Ireland (which would include

Re: [Talk-GB] maxspeed field - what units should we use. etc

2009-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/4 WessexMario wessexmario-...@yahoo.co.uk: I propose that we adopt a new key:  maxspeed_mph It exists: maxspeed:mph Problems I'll do inline: It would be - simpler for UK, USA and other imperial countries to enter the speed. - less prone to error - users may not be used to kph

Re: [Talk-GB] maxspeed field - what units should we use. etc

2009-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/4 WessexMario wessexmario-...@yahoo.co.uk: Very helpful. And to be clear is says their should be a space between the number and the unit, ie '50 mph' not '50mph'. I wouldn't get too concerned about the space, computers can handle that well, so an optional whitespace should be

Re: [OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-06-02 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/6/2 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Important to who? A good question. Perhaps prominence rather than important? I'm in two minds about the proposal. It feels like it is tagging for the renderer, but could be argued that it is providing information about how well known a place is to allow

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-13 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/5/13 Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org: On 30/04/09 13:17, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Greg Troxel and you define the relation to say that all ways in some area of some type should be in the relation. You try to use relations to define a category but :

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/4/30 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: At the risk of reopening earlier very lengthy discussions - this suggestion seems to me to be an unnecessary misuse of the tag highway=cycleway which has an accepted and fairly well agreed meaning. It also seems to be a prima facie case of tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] set up PostGIS with OSM data

2009-04-16 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/4/16 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Torsten Mohr wrote: 2. relations-090408.osm.bz2  (what is this one for?  I did not use it at all.) It is included in the planet file you have downloaded; the extra download is only for people who are not interested in the rest.

Re: [OSM-talk] set up PostGIS with OSM data

2009-04-16 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/4/16 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Dave Stubbs wrote: Somewhere between 4-5GB is required at the moment -- it increases all the time though :-) Oh, then I have seriously overestimated the memory usage... I was unable to do Europe on a 2 GB machine so I figured the planet

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle map: trunk-roads in mountains

2009-03-29 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/29 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: Can you spot it? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.4122lon=-7.3859zoom=12layers=00B0FTF That's what you get for not building epic bridges, tunnels, and other contour defying structures :-P Dave ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle map: trunk-roads in mountains

2009-03-29 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/29 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El Domingo, 29 de Marzo de 2009, Dave Stubbs escribió: 2009/3/29 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: Can you spot it? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.4122lon=-7.3859zoom=12layers=00B0 FTF That's what you get for not building epic

Re: [OSM-talk] Alternatives to wikipedia?

2009-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/18 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com: On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Lester Caine wrote: While the effort being put into links WITH wikipedia are to be applauded, many of us are no longer contributing to wikipedia because of their propensity to kill of material that is not 'noteworthy'!

Re: [OSM-talk] Statistics and TIGER import question: What happened in August 2007?

2009-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/17 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 16 Mar 2009, at 17:55, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'm looking at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Osmdbstats2.png and I wonder why there is a sudden drop in the node count immediately before commencing the TIGER import. - It looks as if half

Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools

2009-03-13 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/13 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Pieren Pieren wrote: May I suggest a new tag: landuse=blur Superb. I've been wanting a tag like that for a while. I have now used it for the first time, in a location not that far from where I live:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reverse-Engineering Maps and Share-Alike Licences

2009-03-08 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/8 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On 7 Mar 2009, at 23:56, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gervase Markham gerv- gm...@gerv.net wrote: b) If people are reverse-engineering our stuff,  they need a massive, sustained, continuous Mechanical Turk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License to kill

2009-03-06 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/6 graham gra...@theseamans.net: graham wrote: How do I find out if I'm a member in good standing? Just saw the relevant page: http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/membership/ which sounds as though if you don't pay annually, even if not reminded, you're probably dropped. Haven't

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/5 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On 27 Feb 2009, at 05:04, Ben Laenen wrote: It looks like we finally got some kind of License plan for the step towards the new license, so everyone check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan Let me start with the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/5 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com: On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Matt Amos wrote:  us trying to read a complex license without comments is like lawyers trying to read complex code without comments. They're mostly hard to read because they're tedious in their detail.  Legal writing

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/5 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: 2009/3/5 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com: On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Matt Amos wrote:  us trying to read a complex license without comments is like lawyers trying to read complex code without comments. They're mostly hard to read because

Re: [OSM-talk] There Is No Cabal

2009-03-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/4 Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de: Frederik Ramm schrieb: then it emerges that this was an intentional change requested by the OSM Foundation. I haven't seen this emerging anywhere. (In fact, the OSM foundation, represented by their board of directors, seems to have been remarkably

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - what data would need deleting

2009-03-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/4 80n 80n...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: You have discussed some elaborate plans about what data from a non-relicensing contributor would have to be deleted and what would have to be kept. In the worst case, in the event of a dispute,

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Diskussionsfäden Dave Stubbs
2009/3/4 Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com: Hi All I've read through a bundle of licence emails, and there is one aspect that worries me, which hopefully someone can clarify. From my understanding (and I dont speak legalese), under the CCBYSA license you can take OSM data, create a

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