Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
e benefits to both models, but the risks are much bigger on one side. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 2:44 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I agree with Mateusz that the wiki IS the project's standard document for > the meaning of tagging (from the perspective of data con

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-05 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
the Anglo-American legal context so I removed it. However, perhaps there is a more polite way to say the same sort of thing, without seeming to invite "getting away with it?" -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 12:36 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-04 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
[This is the current text:] This document is an attempt to summarize the expectations the OpenStreetMap mapper community has for OSM data users regarding the attribution required by the OpenStreetMap license. In line with the general culture of OpenStreetMap it does not try to provide step by

[OSM-talk] Please review "Community attribution advice” wiki page

2020-12-04 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
d make any comments for improvement if needed: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_attribution_advice -- Joseph Eisenberg (*Note that "everybody" does not include the interests of corporations, which are not persons, but rather the interests of individual mapper

[OSM-talk] Updating of land/water polygons (based on natural=coastline) is too slow and unreliable

2020-11-21 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
is broken? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

2020-10-29 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Reddit is entirely blocked by all ISPs in Indonesia due to government policy, so I am not able to participate in any discussions on that website while I am living there. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 12:39 PM Rory McCann wrote: > Hello OSMers, > > Some of us on the OSM F

Re: [OSM-talk] Idea for improving mapping system

2020-10-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Would you mind describing the proposed system here, in a concise form? On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 7:36 PM TheAdventurer64 < little.banana.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A user and I were talking about implementing a system for better mapping, > as described here: >

Re: [Talk-us] Reference numbers to use for hiking trail route relations

2020-10-15 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Many of the old "pack trail" labeled features near my home-town are now overgrown and barely usable. I would be skeptical about the utility of this tag - mappers will need to survey the trail in person before suggesting that it is currently suitable for horse, mules or other pack animals

[OSM-talk] OSM ↔ Wikidata - new tool encouraging automated / mechanical addition of wikidata tags

2020-10-08 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
d the wikidata <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikidata>=* tag manually 4. Wikidata query: display the Wikidata SPARQL query." What should we ask the developers to do so that this tool won't be encouraging every to violate the Autom

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

2020-09-22 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
. - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 6:41 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:36 PM Mike N wrote: > >> On 9/22/2020 9:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> > The extra hamlet nodes are import remainders that haven't yet >> been &g

Re: [Talk-us] Unintentional improvements in OSM data influencing / improving other databases

2020-09-02 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
utside databases are corrected, our data will be inaccurate as well, when it comes to legal issues like boundaries. - Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 11:39 AM Bradley White wrote: > I echo this sentiment exactly as having taken place in California and in >> my experiences with OSM

Re: [Talk-us] Cooper Country State Forest in Keweenaw County, MI

2020-09-02 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
My goodness, look at that monstrosity: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1976405#map=8/46.459/-87.627 How can we claim that all of these patches of state-owned land constitute a single OpenStreetMap feature? -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 10:27 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: >

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-09-01 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
The tag military=bunker is used not only for true bunkers, but for "any kind of military installation built to withstand an attack." - quote from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:military%3Dbunker - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:10 PM Bill Ricker wrote: > >

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-01 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
of land, that's just pure cadastre data. We might as well try to map all the private land parcels and keep that information accurate - but both tasks are too difficult, and the data is better provided by local governments directly. - Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 9:50 PM Bradley White

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-08-31 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
of private/public land, there are no Forest Service signs at the limits of private land. - Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:36 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:11 PM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I believe there might

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest boundary to render on standard map

2020-08-31 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
example with the Manistee National Forest, which used to be mapped in a much simpler fashion and now has been re-made as many smaller parcels. - Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 4:22 PM Clifford Snow wrote: > Paul, > I don't have a definitive answer for you, but rendering usually

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-08-30 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Is the track closed to everyone, or is it perhaps access=private, if the landowner has access? There is also a more specific tag for military bunkers: military=bunker https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Amilitary%3Dbunker - Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 12:16 PM brad wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] Many processes not defined | Re: Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-04 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
s a famous American reformer (Upton Sinclair) often said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mikel Maron wrote: > Rory, I don't know about you, but I'm certa

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-04 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
We should not ask anyone to do 2 months development work for 2500 euros. I believe this size grant is only enough for 1 to 2 weeks, based on international prices (though I do not have any paid experience in this field) - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 4:08 AM pangoSE wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-02 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
While the benefit of making Potlatch 2 on AIR is small, the cost is tiny. 2500 Euros is an insignificant price to pay for supporting an editor which is still used by a couple of thousand long-term users. I support this expenditure. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 10:05 AM Alexandre

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-01 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
No Relations are not collections - Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 9:23 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > I have come across a number of examples[0] of route relations where all > the trails in a given park have been put into a single relation. Is this a > recommended use for route

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

2020-07-18 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
It's perfectly reasonable to add surface=unpaved or similar based on aerial imagery alone, if you have some experience in distinguishing different surfaces of roads and tracks from aerial imagery. Do you have evidence that most of the surface tags added by this user are unreliable? – Joseph

Re: [Talk-us] Coconino National Forest boundary isn't rendering anymore?

2020-07-16 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
lly in the relevant map style: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/style/admin.mss#L496 - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:55 AM stevea wrote: > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > It's not the tagging. Other relation

Re: [Talk-us] Coconino National Forest boundary isn't rendering anymore?

2020-07-16 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
's gone. I also noticed that the Klamath National Forest > is gone, as well. > > I'm glad to see august and more-technical members of OSM (Paul Norman, > Joseph Eisenberg...) chiming into this thread. > > I am the most recent author of this relation. I made minor chang

Re: [Talk-us] Coconino National Forest boundary isn't rendering anymore?

2020-07-15 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "recursion limits of the geometry assembler." - is this merely due to the large number of inner and outer ways? Is it related to the nodes that are shared by 2 outer ways? – Joseph E. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 3:24 PM Paul Norman via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > On

Re: [OSM-talk] Paid mapping

2020-06-22 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
, forestry etc., not for travel between settlements. – Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:17 AM John Whelan wrote: > I've noticed a number of highways being changed in Africa from > unclassified to track and from unclassified to tertiary.The ones I've > noticed are Appl

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-20 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
nfo by parcel. For example in Oregon you can get data at https://www.oregon.gov/geo/Pages/sdlibrary.aspx We should not try to map all land ownership data by parcel in OpenStreetMap. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:23 PM stevea wrote: > Mike, I hadn't considered that, it di

Re: [Talk-us] Import of addresses for San Francisco, CA

2020-06-18 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
to use nodes. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:36 AM Yury Yatsynovich wrote: > I saw addresses in SF mapped both ways -- some are mapped as nodes inside > the buildings or on contours of buildings (as entrances); others are added > directly on the ways/relations of

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
I mostly have mapped in parts of Indonesia where there was no data, and the new road or river was mapped for the first time. Usually I try to split roads and rivers every ~10 kilometers. - Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 8:46 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps

2020-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
You should check the measurement directly from aerial imagery in iD or JOSM, or by visiting the location in person and measuring or estimating. On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > since the complainer removed the source (google map)

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Google earth, Google maps

2020-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
You should check the measurement directly from aerial imagery in iD or JOSM, or by visiting the location in person and measuring or estimating. On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:24 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > since the complainer removed the source (google map)

Re: [Talk-us] Off-highway vehicle recreation areas

2020-06-06 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
gov/?page_id=405 - I believe this is a boundary=protected_area -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:54 PM brad wrote: > Good question. At first glance I don't think Leisure=park is wrong. The > wiki is characteristically narrow since it says that it is green. > lei

Re: [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-06-02 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ant to know the legal zoning or property boundaries there are plenty of data sources for that information, but OpenStreetMap is valueable because it provides local knowledge of what is really there. –Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:19 PM stevea wrote: > Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

[Talk-us] Stay-Healthy Streets in Seattle do not appear to be Living Streets

2020-05-31 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
tag should be used in Seattle (or Portland, where we have implemented similar short-term policies on "Neighborhood Greenways") at this time. If the city redesigns these streets and lowers the speed limit to 5 or 10 mph and legally allows pedestrians to use the whole street at any times, th

Re: [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
imprecisely, and then later we can get it down to very precise mapping of thin strips of trees and scrub between fields: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/628402941 - if we want to Joseph On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM stevea wrote: > On May 28, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Joseph Eisenberg >

Re: [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
rd just because it's allowed to plant a vineyard someday. – Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 3:51 PM stevea wrote: > Mateusz Konieczny writes: > > (quoting stevea) > "treed farmland" or "heavily wooded residential" prove slightly > problematic to

Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?

2020-05-26 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
s) about these > honorary/memorial names that aren't actually used but were created by some > obscure congressional bill long ago. > > Cheers > > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Eisenberg > Sent: May 26, 2020 2:54 PM > To: Jack Armstrong > Cc: Talk us

Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?

2020-05-26 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ted_States But these can probably be tagged as "official_name=Ronald Reagan Highway": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Highway – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jack Armstrong wrote: > > More than once in the past, users have attempted to “

Re: [Talk-us] admin_level and COGs, MPOs, SPDs, Home Rule

2020-05-15 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
I also think that it makes sense to have counties as admin_level=6 in Connecticut and Rhode Island, if local people still know their counties and the governments still recognize them for geographic, statistical and some other legal purposes. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:42 PM

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation: 1204546, polygon error.

2020-05-14 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
be mapped with coastline, since it is marine salt-water. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:57 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > has a ghosts water multipolygon, > > that keep moving over land. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v5.2.0

2020-05-08 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Dear all, Today, v5.2.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: - Add rendering for

Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)

2020-05-08 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
I have removed the wikidata parameter from the Description template and it's related documentation page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] How to map snowmobile trails in US?

2020-05-07 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
is passable by 2-track vehicles such as farm tractors, logging trucks, or 4wd cars. -- Joseph Eisenberg (You might try the Tagging mailing list for questions about how to tag something: tagg...@openstreetmap.org) On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:43 AM Kevin Broderick wrote: > Ideally, I'd say that m

[OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)

2020-05-03 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
. Getting rid of the Wikidata parameter would solve this.--Andrew (talk) 06:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)" I've also noted that often the links are wrong, because a tag like "craft=*" is not the same as the wikidata definition of "crafts".

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
. — Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:20 AM Tom Lee via talk wrote: > At the risk of repeating others' words, I strongly encourage participants > in this conversation to review the draft attribution guideline ( > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Attribution_Guideline) and &

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-28 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
It’s a database technically, but it’s a database purpose-built for making maps. Hence the name OpenStreetMap. The attribution goes on the map. This is not a difficult requirement to meet. —Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v5.1.0

2020-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v5.0.0...v5.1.0 As always, we welcome any bug reports at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Question regarding public_transport=stop_position

2020-04-02 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
e database which includes this information.) -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/3/20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > The wiki for public_transport=stop_position states, “If the stop on the > public transport route has a defined platform, there is no benefit in adding > public_transport=stop_position.

[OSM-talk] New status for keys/tags in the wiki: "import" for tags that are only imported from an external database

2020-03-24 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
than only in another website or database, please make corrections. Also see update of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approval_status with this value. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/17/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I would like to add a new status to > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Carto release v5.0.0

2020-03-18 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
All style users who upgrade to v5.0.0 should re-import the rendering database so that the changes to lua transformations will take effect. Because of this requirement, it may take longer than usual for this version to be implemented by the rendering servers for the "Standard" map tile layer at

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ccording to best practices: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/18/20, Harald Schwarz wrote: > Hello, > > the creation of the object:* tagging was the result of many remarks and > disscussions. Most people agreed that the addr

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
se users, but would not suggest that the tag needs to be removed, and it might change status in the future based on use by mappers. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/18/20, Jmapb wrote: > On 3/17/2020 10:52 AM, Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk wrote: >> However, among your examples you cite "gnis:fea

[OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
d=* etc) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:gnis:feature_id https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q1607 - nhd-shp:fdate https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q1606 - nhd-shp:fcode -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] Updating opening_hours for COVID-19.

2020-03-13 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
That's great, if you are committed to going back and changing all the opening_hours again in a month or two. But it could be a bad idea in the long term if there is no follow-up to return the hours to the regular ones afterward. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/14/20, Eric Christensen via Talk-us wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-10 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
akes it clear that I used Esri imagery to map the streams and rivers, right? - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: > Hey > > some ideas about identifying such changes: > > > Example changeset comment where a mapper did armchair mapping: > Data upda

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-09 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
SM map data." Lot's of buzz words there! But it sounds like it is a combination of computer algorithms and human checking for vandalism and errors. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, Michal Migurski wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I’m writing to let you know about a new OpenStreetMap project Facebook just

Re: [OSM-talk] checking before massive deletion

2020-03-09 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
) If they are just 1 or 2 kilometers off, then it would be worth keeping them with a fixme=* on each one for local mappers to correct the location later. But that doesn't sound like it is the case in this situation. - Joseph Eisenberg On 3/10/20, Mario Frasca wrote: > hello here, > > I wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-03-07 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Is there any update about the attribution guidelines? At this point is there a chance that further comments and concerns will be addressed, or is this a "done deal", where community input is no longer going to be considered? - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Simon Poole wrote: > Th

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-26 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ent raster tiles when requested. If you want to see this happen, we could use more volunteers with the time and ability to work out the issues. See: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3201 - Joseph Eisenberg * (I personally tried to stop rendering bays and straits a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-24 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
user can pick the language in that case. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/24/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 24. Feb 2020, at 11:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> >> We're not there yet though; we're kind of shouting down Tomek because >> he's aggressi

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-19 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Yuri, I did not find a way to open an issue about the bot (https://github.com/Sophox/sophox/tree/metabot/metabot is a branch, so any issues would appear to be about Sophox). Is there an appropriate place to request changes, besides Talk:Date_items? - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Mateusz

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
t;© OSM" for a tiny watch screen or tiny map that is less than 200 pixels wide (but more than 100 pixels). It should only be necessary to use a tiny icon with a link to a separate page if the screen or image is less than 100 pixels wide. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/20/20, Mateusz Konieczny via talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
gible to me. Too many jargon terms. But I will note that "Slippery slope" is a logical fallacy, whether you use it to argue for stronger or weaker license enforcement and terms. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 19.02.2

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline update

2020-02-19 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
> IMHO attribution should always be required 1. on the map 2. in high contrast Agreed. The main problem is that mobile devices, which are by far the most common ways of accessing maps around the world, are only required to provide attribution after a click or swipe, or even just on app startup

Re: [OSM-talk] IME no proposals needed | Re: Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-19 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ere >500 created by bot over Christmas (Dec 25-26th), I think it's unlikely anyone has reviewed the recently created data items over the past few months. Most are content-free (key=value is the only property), but some probably need to be checked. - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/19/20, Frederik Ramm wr

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
page should be be created by the Editor application at the time when the “description=“ is added. Is there any technical reason that would not work? Could a stub Wiki Tag: or Key: page be created instead or in addition? - Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk maili

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ion or translation or in JOSM or iD directly, but couldn’t the Item:Q* page be created at that time? -Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ans to maintain, and the page names are too obscure (Item: Q19947 is meaningless) to be scanned by humans. Therefore, I propose that Yurikbot be changed to only add new data items for documented tags which already have a wiki page in at least one language. I do n

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
. That's the problem with relying on automated translation software... it doesn't work well.) - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/18/20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Since this issue is somewhat controversial, it would be best to create > a proposal page to suggest the proper way to tag continents, oc

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-02-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
moving the English name=* tags for continents and oceans, and perhaps for many of the seas, but it's important to get consensus about a major edit like this) - Joseph Eisenberg On 2/18/20, Tomek wrote: > W dniu 20-02-15 o 19:17, Steve Doerr pisze: >> On 15/02/2020 17:35, Tomek wrote: >&

[Talk-us] Tagging "Junior College" or "Community College"?

2020-02-17 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Is it proper to use amenity=college? That tag was originally developed for insitutes of "Further Education" in the UK, which are a bit different than North American junior/community colleges. Is anyone using amenity=university instead? - Joseph Eisenberg _

Re: [OSM-talk] copying numbering (ref)

2020-02-14 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
> “ they don't really use numbers for roads except internally” If they do not post signs, and locals do not usually know the numbers, then there should not be a ref for those provincial roads in Openstreetmap. -Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing l

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
unless openstreetmap can improve the originally imported data by checking it against reality. Remember, this is the "good practice" page we are talking about editing, not the "how things really are done" page: we want to focuse on the "Gold Standard", best

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-01-31 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Dear all, Today, v4.25.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: * Remove rendering of

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag:man_made=embankment

2020-01-15 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
sense now. - Joseph Eisenberg On 1/16/20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > maybe i asked it wrong, there is no way per say, it is a land fill and there > is something on the top, but to the > > tracers looking at bing it looks flat but it is a big mountain, on the one

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting template parameters copied to data items

2020-01-15 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
features: a one-line description is not enough to explain how a tag is used. And it's much easier to translate a new page all in one place, in the text editor, than having to edit things in the wiki data item and also then write out the page. -Joseph Eisenberg On 1/15/20, pang...@riseup.net wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Too subjective & problematic Re: no-go-areas

2020-01-13 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
will not work for all USPS postal codes. Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] international project communication (was: names of international objects)

2020-01-12 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ub.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2278 Related to Bays/Straits: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3634 Joseph Eisenberg On 1/13/20, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > so we've heard a broad range of opinions here, and no doubt many things &

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Tagging] Tagging the local language

2020-01-11 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
se=retail as areas with clear boundaries. - Joseph Eisenberg On 1/12/20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Sa., 11. Jan. 2020 um 01:30 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:49 AM Mateusz Konieczny >> >> wrot

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Tagging] Tagging the local language

2020-01-10 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:49 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > or to use tricks like the “place=neighbourhood” one (which is based on > POIs rather than polygons)? > > It is certainly wrong to do this. > I think the “trick” here is referring to the stand at practice of mapping all place= features

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Tagging the local language

2020-01-10 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
continents (with Africa, Australia and Antarctica). Geographically, Africa is connected to Asia, with only the artificial Suez Canal as a barrier, so 4 continents is also logical. Naming and dividing the oceans leads to similar issues. - Joseph Eisenberg On 1/8/20, Mario Frasca wrote: > On 07/

Re: [Talk-us] Railway improvements; stations vs. halts

2020-01-07 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
regularly scheduled places for the train to stop. -Joseph Eisenberg On 1/8/20, Clay Smalley wrote: > Hi all, > > Over the last few months, I've been doing some systematic improvements to > the passenger railway network across North America. Much of this has been > filling out p

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
tag for each region, it does not seem that there is enough support for that idea to happen, so for now we need to have name=* tags for things that are going to be rendered on global maps. (Note that Openstreetmap-carto does not render the names of oceans, continents and seas, but does ren

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM 2020: Scholarship review team

2020-01-04 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Deadline is 3 days from now? If the goal is to to include a wider variety of people from many countries, a longer deadline and messages in many languages would be a good idea. -Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 7:40 PM Christine Karch wrote: > Hi all, > > SotM WG is looking

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-12-28 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
, we could change the license to allow database users to pay for the privelege of not providing appropriate attribution. But right now this is not allowed by the current license. Joseph Eisenberg Disclosure: I have no personal financial interest in Openstreetmap, though I do spend lots of time and

Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-27 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
n usage, but official documents will use the other way with "of" in the middle. Joseph Eisenberg On 12/28/19, Tod Fitch wrote: > Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are > doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value &

Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-27 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
search applications only. - Joseph Eisenberg On 12/28/19, stevea wrote: > Right: I've wondered if short_name would be appropriate in this case. Our > wiki says short_name would work, Joseph says "not," though I suppose it is > ultimately up to the search machinery and what i

Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-27 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
ary as the first result: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Josephine - and there is no short alt_name or short_name. So I think there is no reason to have this information duplicated if we are just worried about search. -Joseph Eisenberg On 12/27/19, stevea wrote: > I truly love the l

Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-25 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
> new freeway was just renamed for a congress person In this case “official_name=“ with the whole congresspersons name would be good, keeping the commonly-used name in “name=“. -Joseph ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Wilderness areas separate from forest?

2019-12-25 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the current OpenStreetMap data is wrong. For example, I grew up in the Klamath National Forest, and that area should include the Marble Mountain wilderness, it’s shouldn’t be a hole in the National Forest. -Joseph On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:40 AM Tod Fitch wrote: > If I am

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Trunk VS primary,

2019-12-21 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Thank you for the correction. So highway=trunk in German is similar to expressway=yes in the USA? Joseph On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:49 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > Unfor

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Trunk VS primary,

2019-12-20 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
e to work. It's also helpful that mappers in Germany and Japan can help map my area here in Indonesia, adding rivers, lakes and roads based on aerial imagery. They would have trouble if they needed to learn the hundreds of local languages in each part of Indonesia to tag things properly. -Joseph Eisenbe

Re: [OSM-talk] French OpenData improvements for distribution power networks

2019-12-20 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
I imagine you are following the import guidelines? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct - Joseph Eisenberg On 12/21/19, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi all > > I'd like to let you know about a recent

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Trunk VS primary,

2019-12-20 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
motorroad=yes and expressway=yes, rather than tagging all expressways and motorroads as highway=trunk no matter their classification or significance in the road network. And adding maxspeed=, surface=, lanes= and access= will allow routing applications and specialized renderers to treat these roa

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
lanes=, surface, maxspeed=, expressway=yes, and motorroad=yes The latter two tags could be useful for rendering if they were applied consistently. - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:29 AM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:26 PM Joseph Eisenberg < >

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Trunks are rarely expressways in remote parts of the world. In Britain, where this tag started, many highway=trunk roads are not expressways or motorroads. Joseph On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:22 AM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:18 PM Joseph Eisenberg < >

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
I would use highway=trunk the whole way for consistency. In Canada the connecting highway is also highway=trunk. This makes sense because AK 2 is linking Fairbanks, the largest city in this part of Alaska, with All the cities in Canada and the lower 48 States. -Joseph On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at

Re: [OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych ? names of international objects

2019-12-05 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
nglish, French, Russian and Spanish. But there is no perfect solution, and as mentioned, most database users will want to pick a localized name of the form "name:=" so these tags should be added. - Joseph Eisenberg On 12/5/19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 5 Dec 2019, 22:12 by to...@disroot.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
to the dataset - in this case by subtracting those features which are already a very closely aligned to a `highway` way. - Joseph Eisenberg On 11/15/19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 15. Nov. 2019 um 12:41 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann > >: > >> Because the basis of

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap-Carto release v4.24.0

2019-10-25 Diskussionsfäden Joseph Eisenberg
Dear all, Today, v4.24.0 of the OpenStreetMap Carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on the OSM website) has been released. Once changes are deployed on the openstreetmap.org it will take couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: - Create darker river-color for

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