on proprietary software while doing
so...?
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this:
[[Openstreetmap:Map Features]]
or
[[Openstreetmap:User:Frederik Ramm]]
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route or whatever you used as type value.
We should fix that; the problem is that we'd really need code
dependent on the type of relation - for some you may want to have the
name or the ref, for others this would not make sense.
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.
My slides are in SVN (/misc/lectures/), in OpenOffice and PDF
formats, and of course you're welcome to re-use them in any way.
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Hi,
Buy our book (out February 2008) Frederik Ramm, Jochen Topf:
OpenStreetMap Lehmanns Verlag, Hamburg
So tell us more...?
Well... I finished the chapter on routing yesterday, and an hour
later heard that Roadmap now has OSM support as well so I'll have to
include that - and that's
Hi,
Nice slides, and one of my picture too.
I had to resist the urge of putting in a SteveC portrait with a big
fat It's all his fault arrow ;-)
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Hi,
Stephen Hope wrote:
I was uploading a big section of data when I had an connection failure
of some kind, and the upload eventually timed out. It had uploaded a
lot of nodes, but hadn't got as far as the ways yet.
Can I assume that if I just try and upload the same data again (I have
it
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Hi,
Unmodified PD data can easily be restricted.
If I have PD data on my server and offer it to the world, nobody in
the world can restrict that. This data is PD and will always remain
PD, and to say otherwise is just scaremongering.
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* to be
biased, and thus worthless. It's not only that the Foundation alone
has access to all the E-mail addresses (btw: does it? and why?), it is
also that the Foundation would probably be trusted to create an
unbiased poll.
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timestamp=2007-12-04T17:26:52Z user=josé ...
Seems like the user names don't get encoded properly.
Username looks conspicuously similar ;)
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=standing
and everything that is water_standing is also natural=water, would
require only *one* tag on the object; the renderer would have to load
the hierarchy from the external source but that would really not be
too difficult.
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, and in the end we'd end up with a system where
nobody can tag anything unless he's one of the world's three experts.
Surface=asphalt you say, hm? Let's take a sample and ship it to the
laboratory...
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at the same time and
even invent new ones for every object you map. But I don't assume that
this would make things *easier* for the renderer ;-)
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it (or note down complaints).
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by Thomas Mack in
which he responds to a question by Joerg Ostertag (who would have
thought of that!) and says something about the sources:
http://lists.phpbar.de/pipermail/opengeodb/2006-September/003552.html
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fix sooner or later but then
again, maybe just leave that behaviour in ;-)
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Hi,
Just a thought, but how about using an animated logo, for online use.
Would be lost on me since I have instructed my browsers not to
display animations.
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=...). So attribution gets overwritten if another feature
is drawn on top (no need to attribute something you don't show!).
This little red pixel over there provided by MASSGIS.
Not volunteering, just grinning ;-)
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Hi,
Would it make sense to note these in the press coverage of OSM list on the
wiki?
Yes, please do. I also hope that some individuals make copies of these
articles in case they get lost (are removed from the web).
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to a significant success for a Smartphone in the UK
market.
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Hi,
Potlach frustration was the initial start of this thread. We are gone
over this and are much further now! We just have forgotten to chnage the
subject. Now it's more on ...should we develop a standard first, then
go out and and go for a tag.. or. ...just go out , tag and later
we
bans cameras/etc and will only allow copies to
be made by staff, with a similar licence applied.
If you managed to sneak in a camera and use it, would the resulting
images then be free of their licensing ideas?
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-- how can I create a project file to try this out?
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the suggestion:
Let's create an extra list for formal aspects of tagging discussions.
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right now will only appear in
josm-latest.jar after that time.
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as logic would dictate that
if someone, in the UK, trespasses on someone else's land and maps
their garden paths, that data should be as welcome as illegally
collected tracs from China.
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you're
within our terms. Anyone else doing the same as we do would be allowed
to as well.
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there ;-)
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such an
amount of money or labour to get at our data then it must be quite
good indeed ;-)
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Hi,
I have switch the Mapnik layer over to use the new coastline shapefiles
for zooms 10-18. These files are generated by extracting all the OSM
ways with natural=coastline.
Looks cool.
How often are the shapefiles updated?
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processing easier for some.
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with left/right in it also relies on direction. I'd prefer
east/west/north/south, or using an explicit relation that says
trees on the right between nodes A and B along road C.
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Hi,
PS: I'd still love to see those lighthouses we do map appearing on the
rendered output.
Usually that requires pressuring the right guys in irc.
For [EMAIL PROTECTED], just change the stylesheets in SVN.
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that requires just one e-mail to TomH. Just be sure
not to mention that you want to fix Cyprus once and for all ;-)
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not split way. create two relations that each contain the way, plus
the start and end node (B/D for relation 1 and M/P for relation 2),
plus the special tag (pedestrian).
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ntation of a subset of osmexport's capabilities which is far less
flexible but a bit faster and less memory consuming, but the existing
osm2shp.cpp would probably have done the job as well.
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in Germany E-roads are exclusively motorways,
and they all have the E-number in addition to a national number.)
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Hi Igor,
thanks for building a Linux version!
On my machine (Ubuntu Gutsy) it starts up, but when I open a project,
after displaying Loading... for a while, the program quits with the
following message:
** (Kosmos.Gui.exe:29424): WARNING **: Missing method
...
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about ids being assigned by the server.
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they need.
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box to one of them and the little ones to the
others but if your input is much bigger than your boxes then you're
wasting a lot of CPU there.
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printer...
PPS: If you read the first letter of each paragraph in sequence, they
spell out P.o.t.l.a.t.c.h.m.u.s.t.d.i.e.
PPPS: Just kidding to get Richard's attention ;-)
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Hi,
impressive job! if you could provide me an english translation, I'd be
glad to do an italian version (maybe with updated images from an italian
city).
I have checked in a file named TRANSLATION which contains an English
version of the texts.
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errors into our database.
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and remove them.
It seems that you would be in a better position than me to do it. But
maybe, if that's the new project guideline, I'll start with some
creativity as well. I think map data can be a great playing ground
for various senses of humour.
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export more than a
few hundred thousand Euros' worth of good each year, then they would
be expected to charge you the UK tax instead of the German tax.
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Hi,
Quote I received. £375ex. (Flyer would not attract VAT in UK *)
I looked if there are any online printers in Germany with reasonable
English web sites. printplaza.com is one of them (but they don't do A7
flyers, only down to A6), and meindruckportal.de (they do A7 but
strangely, only in
was just used (rather than discussed) then I'd recommend
to explicitly mark those images which are from OSM.
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recommend not to count those tracks
marked as private; I believe there are people who do not want others to
know that they're uploading tracks (e.g. those in China).
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Hi,
I heard someone saying - as a joke - that we are like GIS
hooligans: we do not bother topology
But we have topology! The GIS folks' shapefiles do not ;-)
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Hi,
I just noticed that this whole discussion is on talk, ignoring the
fact that we have a josm-dev mailing list. Maybe talk's ok for
announcements every now and then but perhaps we should continue the
detailed discussion to josm-dev?
David Earl wrote:
I've fixed the following that 80n
Hi,
OK, I've fixed it. I'm afraid I was thinking how something works in PHP
rather than Java, and it wasn't quite equivalent.
:-)
JOSM can also be a bitch when it comes to object modification, since it
makes a point of only having exactly one copy of every object.
Nevertheless it is
at the end, and this one
hadn't. Fixed now.
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Hi,
I've been only adding the ends, and leaving the middles unconnected,
knowing that I can go back in JOSM, validate, find crossing ways, and
join them without moving them. Except that I can't join them without
moving them
Why?
JOSM has code to place a node at the exact intersection of two
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= tags?
Very likely that there is a problem. However, as I said in another
post, why not fix that instead of creating new tagging proposals that
cater to the renderer's behaviour.
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Hi,
I think the point was to have a little fun and show that the process of
creating tags needn't be so formal and boring. If people just posted their
cool tag usage, rather than the lengthy discussions on the anal aspects of a
tag, we'd get a lot more stuff with useful data attached to it in
not require any changes. Indeed many probably make the
assumption that the outer ring is closed anyway...
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for Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland, but they
too are dated 05 March (date of the last full planet dump).
Daily diffs have been restored in the mean time but daily updates can
only resume after the next full planet dump, i.e. tomorrow.
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this size?
None that I know of.
What about adding -Xmx1024M to the Java command line to increase
the heap size?
Of course. Sorry, I was assuming everybody does that anyway ;-)
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Hi,
I have not succeeded at all in splitting closed ways with JOSM. It always
says to
me that I should select a node from the middle of the road. It seems to
think
that any node in the closed ring is the starting one. Other way to think
is that any node in the ring is in the
, these will be merged to make the circumference?
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Hi,
True, but since there can only be one circumference of a polygon,
could we not specify that if more than one outer ways exist in a
multipoly relation, these will be merged to make the circumference?
That would be very confusing. I'd expect outer and inner ways to be
the same kind of
. But with
the huge amount of TIGER data this gets a bit distorted. Any ideas?
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Hi,
http://osm.bandnet.org/osm_stats/pngs/month-latest.png
Blue line...
So we're not *that* exponential then ;-) thanks.
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with this then they
shouldn't give us their data.
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are used, just
documents it.
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and please fill out and
sign three copies of the yellow form.
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or kilometres). Maybe that's
the cultural divide here. If you'd think more about how you want to do
your part than about how you can control how others do theirs, then
you'd see less conflict.
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of minds
over the issue. The value is not in the vote taking and vote counting.
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would have had even more success. But this is a pointless
argument, as it would have been impossible to start off with a
perfect schema.
It is not only impossible to start off with a perfect schema, it is
impossible to reach a perfect schema, ever.
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approved then.
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of) relations.
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to edit the map tile with the GIMP
before uploading it ;-)
I'd be happy to hear from you about such areas of bad rendering,
whether they are bugs in there renderer(s) or just things that are
ugly for some reason.
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here:
http://www.ertico.com/en/links/links/gdf_-_geographic_data_files.htm
The format is quite ugly and, as far as I understand, they're toying
with a transition to some XML format.
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), while BitSet worked fine. Sent the whole thing
to Karl Newman who couldn't reproduce the problem. Does switching to
BitSet do anything for you?
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Try adding the Java command line parameter -Xmx1024m.
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, and at
the same time looking a bit like speed bumps).
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trouble with 2D already
;-)
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work with your above examples, but that would not
reduce their horribleness.
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Hi,
In Mercator distance is constant independent of orientation, isn't it?
No, the effect is just not as pronounced as it is if you use EPSG4326.
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me where to send it to.
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Hi,
This is great - well done.
Thanks.
I did a one-off A2 paper map of Cambridge after I completed the City
about a year ago, and one problem I had was that to get the whole city
in the street names were too small on the whole. I see you solved thios
by not putting the suburban
Hi,
Rodrigo Moya wrote:
I'd like to do something similar, so could you please share the process
to do it?
Well it's really not a magic process, just using the standard tools and
a lot of manual labour ;-)
I wrote down a bit more detail under the process heading here:
as well.
Bye
Frederik
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Hi,
I used the cut-outs from http://download.geofabrik.de/ quite often in
the past when they were updated every two days. Now, the last update was
at 19-Mar-2008. Did something get stuck or did you decide to lower the
update-frequency of the regions since it creates high load on the
that suffer from the east arrows have been uploaded twice,
so that every point in them occurs twice, but I'll check that again.
Maybe JOSM should be instructed to omit these arrows.
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Frederik
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Hi,
mh, I guess this cannot be fixed in josm, since the the server returns the
stored gps points in arbitrary order. I would even suggest not to draw any
direction arrows for gps data from the server.
But they can't be too arbitrary since drawing lines in between the
points would reveal a
Hi,
... and the DESC nicely explains the observation that all arrows are
in the wrong direction! I wonder why it is there.
Because you want the most recent ones first?
Does any application *not* read all pages returned?
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Frederik
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Hi,
Interesting you should mention dual-carriageways -- there was some
discussion a while back:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Left/right_things
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I have put a paragaph on the
discussion page about why I strongly dislike
points downloaded via the API all GPS points in bbox call, but
that's probably not what you want anyway.
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Frederik
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forget to
speak up should you ever remove the DESC ordering ;-)
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than Freiburg, you'll probably find lots of ugly bits in the
map which don't match the style because we have only adapted those
styles that were relevant for the section we were working with!
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