Hello The,
A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on:
24 February 2005 at 22:38:25 GMT +0100
TFC wow that's sad to see thebat users to closed mind
Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB!
specifically because of it's inability to handle html. You go
On 2/25/2005 Tony Boom wrote:
TFC wow that's sad to see thebat users to closed mind
TB Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB!
TB specifically because of it's inability to handle html. You go changing
TB that and everyone will have to find another client.
2/25/2005
Hello,
Thursday, February 24, 2005, 10:05:13 PM, you wrote:
MM I think that the path to the working directory should be the
MM only value kept in the Registry. What do you think about it?
Or:
1. If exists The Bat!\MAIL directory (old way, preferable for users
which use TB from multiple
Friday, February 25, 2005, 4:41:07 AM, you wrote:
Amen! Very well put and expresses my opinion exactly! If formatting is
necessary, create a PDF and send as an attachment. I work with people
all around the world and TB is a primary tool to maintain their
ability to exist in their conditions
Hello Tony Boom
On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 3:29:32 AM
You wrote:
TB Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB!
TB specifically because of it's inability to handle html. You go changing
TB that and everyone will have to find another client.
Well that will make me keep
On 2/25/2005 The Final Cut wrote:
TFC You must be kidding to think ppl would have to switch to
TFC another email client if thebat download images from web.
TFC As mentionned _many_ times, that would work with a
TFC whitelist and the most important, the option would be disabled by
TFC default.
Hello Paul Van Noord
On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 6:49:57 AM
You wrote:
PVN Hi The,
PVN Some day you will experience circumstances that change your mind.
PVN Until then please continue using Thunderbird and allow TB to be what
PVN it was designed to be...a very powerful _and_ secure email
On 2/25/2005 The Final Cut wrote:
TFC 3. peers? show me some and your sources
2/25/2005 7:34 AM
Hi The,
Eudora, OE, Outlook, etc.
--
Take Care,
Paul
The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4
Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using
Hello Ethan,
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
EJM I must confess, however, I'm worried. I am waiting for the latest
EJM release of the new beta to really understand where the changes in
EJM development, reduction in bugs and stability of the product are
EJM going.
EJM I
Paul Van Noord wrote:
TFC 3. peers? show me some and your sources
Eudora, OE, Outlook, etc.
I don't think Thunderbird reaches anywhere near the level of bloat and
unusability of any of these. Outhouse and Outhouse Express especially
are in a class of their own when it comes to bloat and security
On 2/25/2005 Dave Gorman wrote:
DG unusability of any of these. Outhouse and Outhouse Express especially
DG are in a class of their own when it comes to bloat and security flaws.
True, the outs are in a class by themselves. However, Thunderbird
emulates more of the look feel of the outs than I
Hello Paul,
Friday, February 25, 2005, 10:41:07 AM, you wrote:
PVN Amen! Very well put and expresses my opinion exactly! If formatting is
PVN necessary, create a PDF and send as an attachment.
Even though I have told them manier times, some (of the world's biggest
insurance) companies keep on
Hello The,
A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 12:37:15 GMT +0100
TFC You must be kidding to think ppl would have to switch to another
TFC email client if thebat download images from web
Must I? Why not ask them!
Your new to this list so you don't
Paul Van Noord wrote:
Also, its editor is primitive compared to MicroEd.
I'll agree wholeheartedly with that. MicroEd is far and away the think I
miss most about TB! However, simply being able to receive my mail is
considerably more important than the editor.
DG I do like TBird's *optional*
On 2/25/2005 Mark Partous wrote:
MP Content : one company logo and a table of values, 2 pages in total.
MP Size: 912 kb.
MP After reformating by me : 54 kb. with a minimal loss of quality (if one
looks
MP carefully, it can be seen in the logo).
2/25/2005 9:14 AM
Hi Mark,
HTML messages
Hello,
Is it a possibility to implement in new version of BayesIt
whitelist addressbook contact option? This will be very
comfortable... Now, even I have in my addressbook 500 items I must
add to whitelist.txt all...
--
Best regards,
Prezes mailto:[EMAIL
Paul Van Noord wrote:
On 2/25/2005 The Final Cut wrote:
TFC 3. peers? show me some and your sources
Eudora, OE, Outlook, etc.
Eudora MAYBE. Remotely. OE and Outlook no way!
--
Dave Calvarese
PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-dh.asc
signature.asc
Hello Tony,
I could have replied to other messages, so there's no reason to feel singled
out! :-)
Friday, February 25, 2005, 3:10:46 PM, you wrote:
TB Your new to this list so you don't know the past 4 years history of this
subject.
Well, I must admit, I'm only here for some 2 years and 2
Hello Mark!
On Friday, February 25, 2005, 9:30 AM, you wrote:
Mark And at the end of another day of nice driving in their beloved
Mark old car, all went to sleep in their bed.
Mark Not without opening the doors of their car of course! :-)
LOL But! As was pointed out in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
if
On 2/25/2005 Mark Partous wrote:
MP You silly boy, the group of long-time users said, you don't know what you
MP are talking about.
MP And at the end of another day of nice driving in their beloved old car, all
MP went to sleep in their bed.
MP Not without opening the doors of their car of
Hello Paul,
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PVN As long as software developers and camera makers insist on
PVN defaulting to total bloat this problem will exist.
Software yes but camera makers? I don't think so. When I take a picture
I waht the highest qualitiy possible
On 2/25/2005 Richard Wakeford wrote:
RW someone. Alright, there are many people out there who don't know how to
RW do that but I want my pictures in my camera to be of the highest quality
RW possible thank you :-)
2/25/2005 11:00 AM
Hi Richard,
A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for
Hello Paul,
Friday, February 25, 2005, 4:48:41 PM, you wrote:
PVN I'm curious.
You'll have to stay in that state until after the WE.
I (probably) won't be able to reply to you and/or others for the next three
days.
I'm off to play a pig! The one that plays it safe and builds his house
with
Paul Van Noord wrote:
On 2/25/2005 Richard Wakeford wrote:
A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter
will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the
resources for an inferior product?
Then go buy a sub 1 MP camera. I prefer to take better
Hello Paul,
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PVN A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter
PVN will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the
PVN resources for an inferior product?
Because I keep the pictures (in this case
Hello Tony,
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:29:32 + GMT (25/02/2005, 15:29 +0700 GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:
TB Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB!
TB specifically because of it's inability to handle html. You go changing
TB that and everyone will have to find another client.
Hello Prezes,
On Friday, February 25, 2005 at 15:52:44 GMT +0100 (which was 15:52:44
where I live), Prezes wrote and made these valuable points on the
subject of Whitelist from AB:
Hello,
Is it a possibility to implement in new version of BayesIt
whitelist addressbook contact option?
Paul Van Noord wrote:
I'm curious. What do you say to the people who have a dead 2 year-old
who strangled himself by pressing the up button on the window with his
knee because his dad forgot to set the window lock?
First I'd ask why the 2 year old wasn't secured in a child seat while
the car was
Dave Gorman wrote:
Paul Van Noord wrote:
We're simply talking about building software that will allow the end
user options as to how best the software can suit his/her needs. We're
talking about letting the end user have the control, instead of the
software manufacturer taking on a
Quoting Dave Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
---snipped--
Granted, there are many end users who will not know the
ramifications of
their choices. Buy why should my computing experience be
diminished or
made more inconvenient for no reason other than to
On 2/25/2005 Dave Gorman wrote:
DG Granted, there are many end users who will not know the ramifications of
DG their choices. Buy why should my computing experience be diminished or
DG made more inconvenient for no reason other than to prevent the stupid
DG users from screwing things up?
On 2/25/2005 Dennis Hays wrote:
DH What we all have in common, on this list, are the reasons we
DH originally came to TB! And, from a marketing point of view,
DH these have to be respected. I don't think most of us looked at
DH this product because of its fine HTML viewer.
2/25/2005 2:27 PM
On 2/25/2005 David Calvarese wrote:
DC Someone on this list called Pocomail a 'child's toy', but it's a child's
DC toy that has basic functionality that TB! is currently lacking. Both
DC the HTML/Image issue as well as (IIRC) proper IMAP support.
2/25/2005 2:25 PM
Hi David,
Conversely, POCO
Paul Van Noord wrote:
2/25/2005 2:25 PM
Hi David,
Conversely, POCO is missing much of TB's functionality and has had
perpetual stability issues.
I can't recall ever having a stability problem with Poco. Yes, Poco
might be missing a lot of the advanced features... But it at least has
all
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 19:39:29 GMT +0100
DC Someone on this list called Pocomail a 'child's toy', but it's a child's
DC toy that has basic functionality that TB! is currently lacking
And the reason TB is lacking it is
Hello Dennis,
A reminder of what Dennis Hays on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 19:44:31 GMT +0100
DH I don't think most of us looked at
DH this product because of its fine HTML viewer.
When I first started using The Bat it didn't even have a html viewer at
all. Plain text was all it
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 20:39:45 GMT +0100
DC Poco might be missing a lot of the advanced features... But it at least
DC has all the basics
So has a pencil and paper.
What fascinates me is all these newcomers come on here
Tony Boom wrote:
And the reason TB is lacking it is because it's taken us years of
campaigning to keep it that way.
I don't see why your so adamant to get full html support. You keep
comparing TB to all these other email clients, if they're that good and do
what you want then use one
Tony Boom wrote:
If TB! doesn't do what they want it to do and Poco or Thunderbird does then
use that and join the relevant list and you can send html all day long
without anyone moaning!
Never said I wanted to send HTML email, I'm quite happy with text. I
just want to be able to read it
Tony Boom wrote:
What fascinates me is all these newcomers come on here singing the praises
of all these other crap email clients but they still want to use The Bat,
why?
If TB! doesn't do what they want it to do and Poco or Thunderbird does then
use that and join the relevant list and you can
On Friday, February 25, 2005, 2:06:18 PM, David Calvarese wrote:
I just want to be able to read it right when I choose to. I get a
few newsletters that are not available as text only and that TB!
just horribly mangled.
I also get lots of HTML newsletters, but never seen one mangled, let
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 21:00:28 GMT +0100
DC Because most of the other clients are crappy otherwise.
Then stop trying to turn The Bat into an otherwise crappy client.
DC :) And at the moment, I AM using Thunderbird and not
DC Because TB! has at least 1 problem with GnuPG that I can't get around.
No, it doesn't, you may have a problem but you can get around it.
It won't let you select multiple keys to encrypt to with GnuPG. There
are ways around it, setting up groups in the gpg.conf file, or using a
3rd party
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 21:07:09 GMT +0100
DC Never said I wanted to send HTML email, I'm quite happy with text.
OK, my apologies.
DC I just want to be able to read it right when I choose to. I get a few
DC newsletters that
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 21:30:23 GMT +0100
DC but I shouldn't have to.
Why? If you need a tool to do a job then why shouldn't you use it if it
does what you want it to do?
I have a vacuum cleaner that cleans the carpet but
Tony Boom wrote:
Sorry David and that other chap with the illegal copy of TB! but for the
sake of a few mouse clicks to get exactly what you want I don't see the
point in ruining a perfectly good email program.
Oh, I don't mind the double click all that much, it'd be annoying if I
had a lot
Tony Boom wrote:
DC but I shouldn't have to.
Why? If you need a tool to do a job then why shouldn't you use it if it
does what you want it to do?
I have a vacuum cleaner that cleans the carpet but I still have to push it
up and down... But I shouldn't have to should I?
They make
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 21:54:55 GMT +0100
DC They make Vacum cleaners that are self-propelled that you don't have to
DC push. They also advertise themselves as 'Self Propelled'. Same with
DC lawn mowers.
Plug their self in,
Tony Boom wrote:
Hello David,
Plug their self in, recharge themselves, cut the grass, hoover the carpet
and then empty their selves as well do they? Wow! need to get me one of
those :)
Funny you should mention that, there are both Vacums and lawn mowers
that do that...
DC If TB! would get
On 2/25/2005 David Calvarese wrote:
DC We just want the option to be able to click
DC a button and have it display them if we want it too. And possibly being
DC able to tag an address in the address book to 'Display Remote Images' or
DC even 'Trust HTML email from people in your address book',
On Friday, February 25, 2005, 19:42, Dennis Hays wrote:
What we all have in common, on this list, are the reasons we
originally came to TB! And, from a marketing point of view, these have
to be respected. I don't think most of us looked at this product
because of its fine HTML viewer.
When
Hello David,
A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on:
25 February 2005 at 22:16:21 GMT +0100
DC Funny you should mention that, there are both Vacums and lawn mowers
DC that do that...
They can reach that high can they, have you seen the size of my wheelie
bin?
What about
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
TB Hello The,
TB A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on:
TB 24 February 2005 at 22:38:25 GMT +0100
TFC wow that's sad to see thebat users to closed mind
TB Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB!
TB specifically
Hi Dave Gorman,
On 25/2/2005 9:14 AM, you wrote:
I see your point. But on the other hand, these same neophyts could open
the same email in their browser with the same results. Plus, TBird's
display of HTML emails *without* remote images is still far superior and
more readable than TB!'s
Hi Mary Bull,
On 25/2/2005 10:44 AM, you wrote:
LOL But! As was pointed out in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if the capability is
there, someone outside can force you to roll down the window. All
the same, an apt analogy, Mark.
I wonder who that would be. Mary, I'm happily using Thunderbird here
Hi Tony Boom,
On 25/2/2005 3:37 PM, you wrote:
Have you ever thought to double click the html attachment to see what
happens? Oh look, the browser opens and there's your html newsletter
complete with all those pretty pictures... Don't tell me your too lazy to
double click a mouse button?
Oh
Hello Tony,
On Friday, February 25, 2005 you wrote:
Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB!
specifically because of it's inability to handle html.
Having read this sentence, I don't know: should I laugh or should I
cry? Believe me, I, and many others, didn't
Hi Tony,
On 25/2/2005 3:25 PM, you wrote:
In that case join a thunderbird list and don't come on here saying
Thunderbird can do this and Thunderbird can do that. If html is
THE ONLY thing The Bat can't do compared to all the others then
bugger off and tell the Thunderbird list that.
I'm
Hello Krzysztof Trybowski
On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 7:53:27 PM
You wrote:
KT Having read this sentence, I don't know: should I laugh or should I
KT cry? Believe me, I, and many others, didn't choose TB because of its
KT inability to display HTML (which was, BTW, on a TO-DO list
Hello AC Martin
On Friday, February 25, 2005, at 7:58:29 PM
You wrote:
AM I'm using ThunderBird primarily. However, I'd much *prefer* using TB!
AM for a lot of reasons. While using ThunderBird, I've encountered
AM interesting features and approaches. Why not suggest them, especially
AM if I'm
Hello Allie!
On Friday, February 25, 2005, 6:42 PM, you wrote:
LOL But! As was pointed out in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if the capability is
there, someone outside can force you to roll down the window. All
the same, an apt analogy, Mark.
I wonder who that would be. Mary, ...
Well, I was
On 2/25/2005 AC Martin wrote:
AM BTW, if the neophyte is curious about TB! not loading images, they'll
AM ask us and we'd be the first to tell them to *simply* open the message
AM in their browser, leaving them at risk, even if we warn them. :)
2/25/2005 8:12 PM
Hi AC,
Speak for yourself.
Hi Paul Van Noord,
On 25/2/2005 8:18 PM, you wrote:
Speak for yourself. Those I work with are using Opera and have some
instruction in responsible internet usage. It in their ignorance that
most problems occur. In a majority of cases the images in the HTML
messages I receive are superfluous
On 2/25/2005 Allie wrote:
A Furthermore, if
A TB! loaded the images, what would make it compromise the machine more
A than if Opera were to load those same images?
2/25/2005 9:09 PM
Hi Allie,
If you must click on an icon and wait for a browser to load there is
opportunity to think about your
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