Good morning. What a week! I've been feeling off balance these
last few days, like I'm in a time warp. My body told me this morning it
was 4:30 a.m. while the clock read 3:30 a.m. I hate it when people start
messing with Mother Nature. They just can't patiently wait for the
smooth,
Dear Colleagues,
A recent article appeared in the main section of the
Orange County Register titled Part-time college
teachers use peanuts to protest pay.
The article reads in part...In Columbus, part-time
professors drew attention to their pay by handing out
bags of peanuts to state
14th Southeastern Conference on the Teaching of Psychology
The 14th annual Southeastern Conference on the Teaching of Psychology
sponsored by the Kennesaw State University Department of Psychology will be held
at the Northwest Marriott Hotel, Atlanta GA (10 miles north of downtown Atlanta
I am not sure how to react... here, adjunct faculty only teach... no
research, no service. I certainly do not think that people who only teach
classes should receive the same pay as someone in a tenure-track position
(which includes far more responsibilities). And, just for the record, a
Rick Froman wrote:
I would not doubt, from the voluminous evidence available, that textbooks
used in public schools, written by committees, are dreadfully bad. I would
not be surprised to find a cursory and incomplete and even slanted
representation in a public school textbook given what
Okay Stephen then if you think adjuncts only teach
then lets just compare salaries of just teaching
classes between part-time and full-time. If you look
at how much part-time instructors get paid per unit it
is a fraction of what full-timers get. If we are
teaching the same classes then we should
Dr. Jill Carroll of Houston, Texas takes an entrepreneurial approach to
adjunct teaching. I highly recommend her self-published How to Survive as
an Adjunct Lecturer for a different perspective. It is available at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I interviewed Dr. Carroll this fall and found her
enthusiasm
I hate to say this in light of the feelings expressed by adjuncts on the
list, but I was so happy to be making $2750 per class as an adjunct
because I was living off $800/month as a grad student. I taught 5
classes at 3 different campuses while I was writing my dissertation and
I felt that the
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, pakindle wrote:
Dr. Jill Carroll of Houston, Texas takes an entrepreneurial approach to
adjunct teaching. I highly recommend her self-published How to Survive as
an Adjunct Lecturer for a different perspective. It is available at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I interviewed Dr.
At 11:41 AM -0500 10/31/01, tasha howe wrote:
I hate to say this in light of the feelings expressed by adjuncts on the
list, but I was so happy to be making $2750 per class as an adjunct
because I was living off $800/month as a grad student. I taught 5
classes at 3 different campuses while I was
At 11:41 AM -0500 10/31/01, Louis_Schmier wrote:
She reminds me of the pigeons I
used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter
pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there. Not sure
her form of personal freedom is as free and nourishing as it seems.
In
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Paul Brandon wrote:
At 11:41 AM -0500 10/31/01, Louis_Schmier wrote:
She reminds me of the pigeons I
used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter
pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there. Not sure
her form of personal
In a message dated 10/31/2001 8:52:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's a stepping stone. If
people have higher ambitions for pay and stability and job security,
they might consider getting on the tenure track.
Assuming that it is still an available option.
Because I am
Okay Payam... I would need to see the data before making a conclusion, but
it is it not also true (I may be wrong here) that in most businesses,
part-timers make less (per unit) than their full-time equivalent?
At 08:20 AM 10/31/01 -0800, Payam Heidary wrote:
Okay Stephen then if you think
Okay Stephen then if you think adjuncts only teach
then lets just compare salaries of just teaching
classes between part-time and full-time. If you look
at how much part-time instructors get paid per unit it
is a fraction of what full-timers get. If we are
teaching the same classes then we should
I have a question regarding the responses to my post so far. Why are
people not able to get tenure track jobs? I've been on the job market
several times and there are always dozens of tenure track jobs for which
I would qualify. I know it's a competitive world out there, and we don't
always get
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Louis Schmier wrote:
She works for a lot of scattered peanuts. She reminds me of the pigeons I
used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter
pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there.
She does not give this impression in
Question by Stephen W. Tuolski on 10/31/01:
Okay Payam... I would need to see the data before making a conclusion, but
it is it not also true (I may be wrong here) that in most businesses,
part-timers make less (per unit) than their full-time equivalent?
My personal experience as a CPA is
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, pakindle wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Louis Schmier wrote:
She works for a lot of scattered peanuts. She reminds me of the pigeons I
used to feed at a kid on the sidewalks of NYC: runing helter-skelter
pecking a peanut here, another there, still another over there.
OK, wait a minute here - I'm reading this e-mail and, quite frankly, this
sounds like my job now! I pay out-of-pocket expenses for my health
insurance (the university picks up some, but not all), I pay for a parking
sticker (I have YET to understand how this happened)! I do get some moneys
It just so happens we have a tenure track position. I would suggest
three letters and copies of graduate and undergrad transcripts also be
sent, but I am only suggesting.
Developmental Psychology-Assistant Professor--Full-time, tenure track
position. Cognitive-Development or
Another reality... in my dept., we were just approved for two NEW tenure
track lines... this is something that has not happened in decades. What
this means is that there will be FEWER part-timers teaching in our
dept. Our part-timers tend to be Ph.D. students at area universities who
are
Mike,
Most institutions are not like what you described. In
the majority of colleges and universities adjuncts and
part-timers ALWAYS make a small fraction of what the
full-timers make not to mention all the benefits
full-timers also get that part-timers don't either. An
exception to the rule
Stephen,
Let's not compare oranges to apples. We are talking
about the academic world not the private sector world.
I would be happy to provide you with the data you
requested. That would be very simple. I will show you
a copy of my paycheck for teaching 2 classes at the
same college in the same
Nancy,
I know it is a stepping stone and most part-timers
have been trying to become full-time and on the tenure
track but have not been able to for many reasons
beyond their control. The big reason being lack of
full-time offers in comparison to part-time offers and
this is not because there is
Paul,
What you are missing is that all part-timers know that
adjunct teaching is not meant to be a career but this
adjunct career has been forced upon us due to lack
of full-time offers!
Payam
--- Paul Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:41 AM -0500 10/31/01, tasha howe wrote:
I hate to
Paul,
What you are missing is that all part-timers know that
adjunct teaching is not meant to be a career but this
adjunct career has been forced upon us due to lack
of full-time offers!
Payam
That was the point that I was making when I said that what we are seeing is
a perversion of the
We used to have tons in the psych dept - then it was decided to get rid of
them all. I was here then and Dr. Bauer responded by cutting out almost
every Intro to Psych and Human Growth and Development course - we got them
back that term, but no more. We have 1 full-time part-time person now,
I was not talking about obtaining full-time positions
at the same place necessarily. I was talking about
trying to obtain a full-time teaching ANYWHERE!!
Payam
--- Beth Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I was hired as an adjunct at a state university
in Massachusetts for
the first time,
Title: Re: adjuncting
I have
heard about and seen the same thing with regard to the failure to consider
adjuncts for available positions.
Although, at my institution, I have seen adjuncts receive temporary full-time
jobs, it appears as though there is a preference for hiring personnel
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote:
Paul,
What you are missing is that all part-timers know that
adjunct teaching is not meant to be a career but this
adjunct career has been forced upon us due to lack
of full-time offers!
Due to a lack of full-time, tenure track positions, due to
Do the full-time folks hold Ph.D.s? Have they been there longer? I know
that I teach the same # of classes as my colleagues, but most make more
than I do (some quite a bit more) bc/ I have not been here that long.
At 11:19 AM 10/31/01 -0800, you wrote:
How can you focus on teaching and your
In most cases it does not matter whether you hold a
Master's or Ph.D. The pay is for the most part equal
in all cases. I am talking about beginning salaries
and not when you have been there for several years.
But even if you do compare raises of part-timers and
full-timers over the years you will
That is quite an assumption you make... that is, that if a full-time
position openned up, you'd get it. I'll bet that when full-time positions
do open up, they are pretty competitive. I am currently chairing a search
committee for our dept. that has drawn about 85 applicants.
At 01:21 PM
Ah, Payam, building a new library is far more sexier than issuing pay
raises. And, as far as the increase in student enrollment is concerned,
the paradox is that the more students attend a public school, the more it
costs the State.
Make it a good day.
Here at VSU, an adjunct with a Ph.D. gets paid $1800 per course per
semester. An adjunct with an MA gets somewhere around $1300. So, the
degree does matter. To what degree, is another issue.
Make it a good day.
--Louis--
Louis
At 1:08 PM -0800 10/31/01, Payam Heidary wrote:
No Louis, it is NOT The lack of funds. This is the
best EXCUSE all institutions will give but rarely is
it true. The evidence always shows otherwise. Student
enrollment has increased over the years mainly due to
bigger increases in immigration and
I think this whole discussion is unfortunate if it simply diminishes into
hurling insults and criticisms. Many part-timers or sessionals are very
capable but because of the competitive nature of the work environment now
may not so easily slip into a full-time or tenure track position.
The result
Shannon, I beg to differ with you. I haven't seen anywhere in this
discussion any disrespect shown to anyone by anyone. Some disagree with
others, some have different perspectives, some have different experiences,
but that is a far cry from disrespect.
Make it a good day.
Louise,
Good point and reminder you made to the group that no
disrespect was intended or shown towards anyone by
anyone. Thanks for sending that message reminder to
the group and please ask whoever the group moderator
of this group is to put be back on the group list
because in this sense I WAS
Hi
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote:
Yes I know about supply and demand and I know
full-time faculty are poorly paid also. But the
question is why are the SAME faculty who teach the
SAME CLASSES in the SAME DEPARTMENT making 4-5 times
more for the same work of part-timers. This is
Hi
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote:
There are people who hold Ph.D.'s who are not
qualified to be college professors just like there are
people with Master's degree who are not qualified.
What makes you qualified and what should determine
your pay is NOT which TYPE of degree you
Jim,
Please read more carefully what I said. I am talking
about quality of degree. Levels of educational
achievement are up to the individual in what they
accomplish while they are attending school. Just
because you have a Ph.D. does not mean your OVERALL
achievements and educational experiences
Shannon Gadbois wrote:
This comment is insensitive and negates the significance of the issue to
entire institutions, individual faculty and to students.
Well, with that comment, I do have to say something after having deleted about
40% of the previous posts. First, credentials. I have
D. Campbell wrote:
). The tenure-track
faculty have as their compensable responsibilities the requirement to teach
at the undergrad and graduate levels, advise undergraduates, chair and serve
on thesis committees, engage in a program of research (conference
presentations
and publication),
But for many of us - that's the problem. Adjunct faculty are not
exptected, supported or encouraged to do research and/or service. Those
adjuncts who have to make a living (driving back and forth to different
campuses, prepping numerous classes) cannot do research.
Tenure track posistions
Nancy -
I'm there too. I too have been seeking alternate
arrangements.
wondering if you have any advice gleaned from the textbook route - sounds
interesting.
Here the schools are 3 hours apart and pay 400 - 500 per credit (1200 -
1500 per 3 credit class). wouldn't pay gas and parking and
tolls.
Charles M. Huffman wrote:
My feeble humor aside, I would hope we all have a good grip on the
issues here, so I would like to suggest a new topic--
Adjuncts Who Openly Express Their Religious Beliefs
Adjuncts should not express their religious beliefs in class unless they have
a Ph.D. They
Just a few points between things today... (sense I originally typed this
several new messages have come in, so I apologize if I'm just echoing
points others have made...)
1) As someone else mentioned, people can be hired full time but in an
adjunct position. Here the difference in pay lies in
Howdy!
To get off the hot topic of how miserably most of our institutions
treat adjuncts, I am in desperate need of pointers to websites,
references, handouts, etc. on what a white paper is and how to write
one. I need a white paper on white papers! Can you help?
Thanks,
--Kathy Morgan
Hi
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Payam Heidary wrote:
Please read more carefully what I said. I am talking
about quality of degree. Levels of educational
achievement are up to the individual in what they
accomplish while they are attending school.
I did read what you said. I was very careful to
It's easy to see how she might perceive the opinions of others as sour grapes,
considering that she was able to earn $2750 per course as an adjunct, while
working on her dissertation. I'm working on my dissertation, have taught at 4
colleges, and my average pay has been $1500 per course. This is
Charles,
I am not sure what point you are trying to make with
these comments. Is this a joke? Is this being
sarcastic? Is this insulting?
--- Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles M. Huffman wrote:
My feeble humor aside, I would hope we all have a
good grip on the
issues
What's different is that many of us are doing this as returning adults, without any
family support. (Mine hasn't spoken to me since I went into my doctoral program.)
After working in the field for 30 years, as an underpaid (though intrinsically
rewarded) Early Childhood teacher, the last 12 years
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