My SB Touch has been plugging along for many years now, feeding its
SP/DIF output to my Bel Canto C5i.
I was recently rearranging things and decided to try a TOSLINK cable
instead, but only got dead silence. I tried two different cables and
both optical inputs on the amp. The optical cables
I use Squeeze Commander on both my HTC Android phone and Kindle Fire.
Both work great but the Kindle is my favorite for selecting music and
controlling playback.
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...The key here is the equalizer feature which the Creative player has
and SBT sadly lacks.
Not sure why this thread is running on the way it is. The one sentence
quoted above plainly explains why the original poster is unimpressed
with the Touch.
He prefers the enhanced
Mnyb wrote:
+1 of course .
But the wording disappointed with sound quality :-/
Lack of EQ is not the same as lack of sound quality ? they are separate
things
I can't disagree with you from my perspective, but it is not uncommon
for those on the outside of a hobby to use terminology
pippin wrote:
I'm not so sure. The OP realized that the Touch sounded the same as his,
sorry for not reading it up, WD? device.
Which is probably a correct observation.
SQ is 90% speakers, 9% amplifier, 0.9% DAC, 0.1% everything else.
Once again, I don't disagree with your allocation of the
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
Well what are you gonna do when your computer craps out and you have to
buy a new one , then you find out with your computer's new operating
system won't run LMS ?
A couple of thoughts.
1. I've had a personal computer since about 1981 or 82, and while I know
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
Buying a discontinued product that relies on bug fixes to maintain its
functionality
when there is some doubt as to whether Logitech will put forth the
effort to
correct those problems Is ludicrous IMO .
Just curious, what bug do I need fixed to keep playing my
gerardhn wrote:
...Not to be arrogant.
Too late.
And, to borrow a comment I made elsewhere on the forum, it has always
struck me as rather ironic that the subjective evaluation adherents
don't think are they affected by subjective bias.
Just reporting in -- my Touch from Amazon arrived this afternoon. The
box was completely sealed and showed no signs of having been previously
opened. The Touch itself was pristine. It started up just fine, updated
itself, then connected to the LMS and played fine.
Sorry the OP didn't have the
snoogly wrote:
Just took delivery of what was meant to be a new Touch, but it has
obvious signs of wear (even fingerprints all over the screen). Crudely
wrapped in plastic film to make it look new.
Is this 'normal'? Stupid question I know ... What I really mean is, does
Logtech have a
Dumb question, but you indicated the Touch has a static address, but I'm
not sure what you mean by in the router. Static addresses are set in
the device in question. What happens when you set the static address in
the Touch itself? Does it not stick?
Also keep in mind that electronics, when
My first thought is for you to check the IP address used by the Touch.
Is it in the same range as the rest of your subnet? Second, when you
open LMS and go to Settings, then the Player tab, does the Touch
show up there? Have you tried pulling the power on the Touch, waiting a
minute and then
Turnandcough wrote:
Sometimes it's a compromise between smooth and dull vs harsh and
lively. I'll give it another try but for now I find my sound to be as
smooth as it'll probably get with the Touch. (or maybe I'm imagining
things...)
Two comments. First, I find recordings to be far more
Dazed and Confused wrote:
Just set up Touch for the first time. FLAC files are being fed via a
wired connection from a Synology DS212+ NAS, then into amp (analogue)
using the supplied leads and thenspeakers. The sound is very digital, ie
bright and and I want to know ways of making it less
You can always find someone, somewhere, who has a problem with any
version of a software program even if things are fine for most users. I
can only say that I've been running 7.7.2 (Linux version) on a Vortexbox
with absolutely no issues. I've got a Touch, SB3 and a Radio.
grum wrote:
@mlsstl - I agree, and generally I tend not to have a lot of issues.
Can I go straight from 7.5.4 to 7.7.2?
Shouldn't be a big issue for that version jump. Any issues that I've
ever had from a version upgrade have always been fixed easily by
manually clearing the Squeezebox
badhack wrote:
I am a bit shocked. If it can decode FLAC streams likely it can handle
100 playlist.
This aspect of the Touch falls into the no good deed goes unpunished
category.
All prior Slim Device players prior to this required a local server in
order to play local music. That's
badhack wrote:
Thanks for the info. I don't know what to say, they are doing the right
thing, I'm surprised performance is so poor!
It's the same thing pointed out before. The whole series of Squeezebox
network players were originally designed to have a server running in the
background. The
Do you get the hiss if you disconnect the RCA interconnects from the
Touch to the preamp? Do you get the hiss if you connect another line
source (tuner, CD player, etc.) to the preamp? If you get the same hiss
from other sources or with no input then the noise is probably
originating in the
I strongly recommend the Vortexbox approach. Just replaced my old music
server about 2 weeks ago with one.
They come as a preconfigured hardware device starting for under US$500
(exact cost depends hard drive size) or you can download the software
for free. I did the latter and bought an
What operating system are you using? Could be a file ownership or
permissions issue.
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user so can tell you where to find it on that system, but XP should also
have one floating around somewhere. Deleting the old cache has
periodically been necessary when I've upgraded SBS/LMS.
format (e.g., FLAC, etc.)
and become familiar with the user interface and regular operation.
Then, after a month or two, if you still feel the need to try an
external DAC, you'll be able to concentrate on that change and you'll
have a solid reference point to determine if it's worth it.
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a fine product and I'd like to see them keep making
it, but it's not the end of the world if they do the corporate thing
and move in a different direction.
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still in-use in a second system along with a Radio and a Controller -
they all get along fine.)
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I'd expect eBay/Paypal would refund your money if the seller doesn't do
it voluntarily. If the seller provided a specific power supply with
your purchase, you had every reason to presume it was the correct one.
He owes you a refund.
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require certification by the FCC and even minor changes mean a trip back
through the recertification process.
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, if you're happy and the expenditure is within your budget,
then just enjoy the sound. At that level, the exact cause doesn't
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to be careful in making sure the new SBS user has access to the music
directory and files. If I recall correctly, OSX can also be picky about
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the Touch's USB port as anything more than a convenience for flash
drives for about year.
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a bunch.
In your case, call Logitech and give them a chance to help you before
complaining too loudly.
For me, the 7.6 update worked fine - artwork and all - on a Linux
server (FC12) with just shy of 51,000 songs.
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However, who's complaining loudly?
My comment was ...-before- complaining too loudly. ;-)
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Have you used MP3Tag or a similar program to examine the tags for the
files in question? I always manually check the tags before I add music
to my Squeezebox music folder and haven't had any problems.
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with a minimal logon routine but those exist.
Then, once that's done, bring it home and you should be fine without
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}:t_sendRequest.pump: connection refused
Can anyone help me with this please?
Thanx!
Check your firewall settings in Ubuntu. It needs to be open for traffic
on ports 9000 (tcp) and 3483 (tcp udp). You should be able to restrict
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an externals drive is connected
over time to more than one computer.
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difference between the files Touch can scan and the ones it can't.
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- what version of Squeezeboxserver are you running? And
when you open the Settings menu of the Squeezeboxserver web page, does
it show the Touch available in the Players tab?
I don't have a Mac, but do run Linux on my server and have no problem
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192.168.2.X to 192.168.1.X.
And I believe the port that Squeezeboxserver needs to have open is
3483, both TCP and UDP.
I'm not a Mac person, so those are pretty generic thoughts.
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original items
on tape along with some copies of studio masters. In those cases, you
either convert or lose them.
I found the process rather enjoyable overall, plus it was always
exciting to rediscover a lost gem.
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a personal cloud if the concept
takes off, but you'd still have a hard time prying my fingers off my
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just be feeding a vivid imagination.
It doesn't really matter as long as that individual is getting the
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a DAC and the stereo would sound closer to what I want
Interesting pronouncement since the Mac will have variables of its own.
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to the original poster is that he should try the
analog outs of the Touch before rushing to spend money on an external
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between the two without checking the position of the
amp's input selector. I ended up selling the Lavry DAC 8 months ago and
haven't thought of upgrading since.
I'd encourage you to listen to the Touch by itself for a while. Why
worry about upgrades before you even listened?
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could also call Logitech and have them walk through the situation
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However, that's probably just me. I turned in my audiophile club card
some time ago out of annoyance. I wonder if some of these people even
bother listening to the music these days
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are off base (in my opinion) there's nothing a DAC can do to fix those
issues.
Count me a happy Touch user.
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Of course, that's one of those subjects where there is no shortage of
opinions. In that light, perhaps it is worth it for you to spend some
time running a few experiments and then do what makes the most sense to
you.
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, the Touch is wonderful. The only deficiency
has been for those who wish to do away with an external server and use
the built-in tiny SBS. That works fine for some but has been
problematic for others. However, things should be fine for anyone that
uses an external server.
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to account for your perception, but then
it's also OK. Whatever works to enhance your enjoyment of music is fine
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phones, etc. It
that's an issue you're going to notice it and it won't be subtle.
Otherwise, my opinion is that if it is working, don't worry about it
unless you're just determined to have a case of audiophilia nervosa one
way or the other.
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JohnSwenson;576760 Wrote:
Then marketing heard about it...
In other words, another good example of no good deed goes
unpunished
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small even without taking
the price difference into account. I would have thought a class B or
at least a C rating would have been appropriate.
Is the Touch just too cheap and small to rate higher? It seems an issue
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is several orders of magnitude worse than the Controller.
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your Touch as simple to use and as reliable as I've found
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The obvious next thing to try is a different flash drive. If the Touch
can read the other drive that would help establish that the Touch is
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BTW, can the Touch handle 24/96 FLAC tracks streamed directly from a USB
Flash Drive?
I don't have very much 24/96 material, but what I do have plays fine
from either the server or a flash drive.
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Even if Logitech can't give a precise size at which large USB drives
become dicey with Tiny SBS, they could at least include some generic
wording that the internal server is not suitable for all situations.
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There are always factors involved that no one outside the company can
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tries with two different external USB drives and never did get
satisfactory results. If I'd bought the Touch solely for use in that
capacity, I'd be very disappointed - that option is way too erratic for
me.
Maybe the word is touchy
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for a premium. Amazon has one listed used for
$195 and the last one I saw sold on eBay last week went for over $200.
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function, especially since this was the cause of the four month delay
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pretend there were no issues with the SB Classic and prior models are
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when someone I don't know tells me what my
experience has been with a product.
I guess my question is why are you still here? There are other players
on the market. Why not sell yours on eBay or Audiogon, buy something
else and move on?
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I'll tinker again, but I'm going to
have to block out a good chunk of time where I don't want to play any
music just to experiment.
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Merlinwerks;533696 Wrote:
Out of curiosity, when you previously compared the analog out of the SB3
vs Lavry, did you conduct the test the same way as the comparison of the
Lavry vs Touch? i.e. Level matched and with the ability to -instantly-
switch between the two.
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opposed to relying on audio memory, there would be about half the number
of audio companies that there are right now ;)
Sorry. I was trying to be funny, not terse. That's a hazard with short
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of listening, things are
still very, very close for me. I think the Lavry is ever so subtly
better, but it is in the territory where I have to really work at it to
notice.
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Just got my shipping confirmation too!
I also just received a confirmation.
Guess that moves me from the continues to be mystified column over to
the stunned but still cautious one. We'll see what happens next week.
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the list?
Radio battery anyone?
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Well, released or not, I think I'm still in the I'll believe it when
it arrives category
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it is meaningless to me that some other
programs make playlist creation easier.
It'd be interesting to do a survey to map out users on a scale that
runs from serious playlist creators to casual users to those like me
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site is now letting you pre-order for April 12) and the
continued unavailability of the Receiver
Makes me want to get out my 3 Stooges DVDs and watch a few shorts.
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to have a natural instinct at this company for how to turn up
the volume on the boneheaded move meter just when you thought it was
about as high as it could go.
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