In a message dated 3/29/2004 7:02:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We can not even agree on this!
Well, we have finally reached agreement.
In a message dated 3/29/2004 7:01:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can not be saved in error.
So you right about everthing you think? Not
John
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From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
Forgive you, for what wrong?"Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin, it's starting to sound like your issue is with m
We can not even agree on this![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:23:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What makes your opinion so important? It is the correct one. John Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.
I percieve that we understand this in two different senses.
I believe your statement is falacious.
You can not be saved in error.
2 thes 2;12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth
2:13 salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth
1 Tim 2:4 Who will hav
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:36:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"saved by faith apart from being right"
Could I restate this as "you are saved by faith in spite of being wrong"?
Absolutely. Actually, a very good point.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:23:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What makes your opinion so important?
It is the correct one.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:19:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let God be true and EVERY Man a LIAR"
A great lead-in to group discussion.
, March 29, 2004 5:09
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
Forgive you, for what wrong?"Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin, it's starting to sound like your issue
is with me. My issue with Judy did not involve what she had done
estions? If not, then, you've made your point. I've made mine. I forgive you. Will you forgive me?
bill taylor
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
Where is the even ha
you.
Will you forgive me?
bill taylor
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:21
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
Where is the even handedness in this?
Bill lectures you, without ev
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life
What way are you on?
He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof
Seems they have the same thing the LDS have They do not want to hear it so they try to make you shut up. I think this happened in the bible a time or two. Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right on.
You know Kevin I can understand receiving a lot of flack out on the street
preaching to
Maybe they are Tares!Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Right on.
You know Kevin I can understand receiving a lot of flack out on the street
preaching to unbelievers, in SLC, or in my case with my unbelieving family and
other unbelievers. What I find tragic on TT is that on a list lik
, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
Well I guess Jesus should rewrite Mark 16
Todays 21 first century version:
Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to those that want to hear it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
"saved by faith apart from being right"
Could I restate this as "you are saved by faith in spite of being wrong"?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:17:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
tell me your reasoningi don't know if my bias and my reasoning can be s
The point is you take Judy to task. ON WHAT BASIS? Your own personal opinion?
What makes your opinion so important?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:19:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy don't you get it they only want SMOOTH THINGS! Cmon John, sc
Where is the even handedness in this?
Bill lectures you, without even a contextual knowledge of the "event". Without any questioning of Izzy. I think Bill has a bullseye on YOU Judy. You must have said something that hurt his feelings.Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bill,
I percieve that
"Let God be true and EVERY Man a LIAR"
The Holy BibleJudy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bill, shouldn't you be letting God be God in the lives of people?
Last I read it was the Holy Spirit who convicts of sin.
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
When do unrepentant sinners ever request
ur correspondence,
that is one thing. If I am right in what I am saying while in your
correspondence that is quite another. That is one which even if I am not the one
making it, still needs to be made from this side . . . .
and addressed from your side of this problem.
Respectfully,
Bill
T
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:19:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy don't you get it they only want SMOOTH THINGS!
Cmon John, scarcely has time to think, and you are a genius?
You know something, Kevin, my words are very clear. I have emails in storage from judyt
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:07:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to me that just maybe your bringing your own baggage to the table. Seems you don't like contention and provocation. We must do everything to avoid contention at all costs. Am I wrong?
And I am wond
Judy don't you get it they only want SMOOTH THINGS!
Cmon John, scarcely has time to think, and you are a genius?
What do you have against God's word?
"He that is of God heareth Gods word ye therefore hear them not because ye are not of God"
Judy interferes and you are a blessing? Judy is a
Perhaps Bill you are just plain wrong. You also, are interfering here. You were not around when this "problem" occured how do you make a judgement then?
It seems to me that just maybe your bringing your own baggage to the table. Seems you don't like contention and provocation. We must do everythi
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:01:00 -0700
Blaine: Perry, thank you for always being willing to lower the ladder for
me, that I mi
In a message dated 3/28/2004 9:02:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Correct me if I am wrong, but to me you seem to insist he is a standpat,
gagged and hogtied god who can do nothing new.
Under the new covenant of grace, He (God) does not need to be anything but steadfast a
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:33
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in
our unconscious
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:17:45 PM Pacific Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
> >Blaine wrote: So I must be a Christian. If you still don't believe this,
> >please tell me your reasoning--but withold your biases, as I am not
> >inte
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:28
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
Well Blaine:
According to scripture on the last day we are
going to be judged according
to the Words Jesu
No, Judy, I am not calling you a liar. And I
am not even doubting that you did write Izzy. You are right: Izzy is offended,
and I sense that she is angry. Why continue to provoke her? For I am
also observing that you have kept with your offensive ways toward her, even
after your claim to hav
I
Last I read it was the Holy Spirit who convicts of sin.
An amazing display of hypocrisy. Words coming from someone who (a) interferes in every thread on this list and (b) is so busy doing the Holy Spirit's work that she scarcely has time to think.
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:16:03 -0700
Blaine: I keep wondering, when people say I am not a Christian because I
am a Mormon, if they even know what they are saying. It seems to me they
haven't really thought anything through, th
When do unrepentant sinners ever request
counseling? They would be unrepentant sinners if they were seeking
counsel.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:19
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:33:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Take the words of your brothers and sister here on TT and recognize the error of your ways.
Yes and amen
Thanks Bill,
John
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:17:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
tell me your reasoning
i don't know if my bias and my reasoning can be separaed but, as I used to say in book sales, "here goes nothing." I believe the biblical message teaches clearly that you, Blaine, ar
John writes > I don't mind the
discussion with you, but Izzy does. the scriptures teach that we are not to "seek our own." Love does not
seek its own way or will. Izzy does have a delete
button. And you have instruction from God on how to
show respect to others. Why not practice what yo
reasoning--but
withold your biases, as I am not interested in noisy nonsense or
insulting word-offal.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:13
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
e
enemies.
Bill Taylor
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:47
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
Well I guess Jesus should rewrite Mark 16
Todays 21 first century version:
Go y
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:43:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Amos 5:10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
Or maybe Proverbs 12:1 applies: Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge. But he who hates reproof is stupid
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Judy you have been Rebuked for communicating. Please do not communicate a rebuke to John this is a one way street. Is it not a little hypocriti
In a message dated 3/28/2004 12:48:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why do you communicate with Izzy? Do you actually think you are accomplishing some good addressing your thoughts to someone who is not listening to you? I don't mind the discussion with you, but Izzy doe
Well I guess Jesus should rewrite Mark 16
Todays 21 first century version:
Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to those that want to hear it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is a public list and you a
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is a public list and you are choosing to be here
Why do you communicate with Izzy? Do you actually think you are accomplishing some good addressing your thoughts to someone who is not listening to you?
Kevin Deegan
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004
9:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] God in
our unconscious
That is what happens to the Lost. Blind follow Blind both fall in the
ditch. Peck is on the Broadway. Hope you get on the narrow way.
ShieldsFamily
<[EMAIL PROTEC
Judy,
This is the last time I
am writing back to you. I have no recollection of you
sending me an email offline in December. Sorry if that bothers you. I did look
at the last statement I emailed to you on 12/22/03 before I left TT which was: “Since you don’t seem to be happy unless I
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:46:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does that bother you?
Come on Kevin. You are not being nice.
John
judyt writes:
Do you understand the new covenant promise
in Jeremiah 31:34 (and other places) that becomes activated by faith
in Christ?
No. What "activated" the New Covenant was the blood of Christ. Perhaps you should read Jeremiah 31:31-34. The New is totally different from the Old.
we are walking in love.) I really like Pecks explanation of the Stages of Faith. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wm. TaylorSent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:45 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious
Izzy,
Have you ever treaded
What is the problem?
Judy knows what she believes and believes it firmly.
Does that bother you?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:23:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Get over it John Be nice, Kevin. I am. John, a brother in Christ Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo!
No! Judy. This is what John wrote
> Where does I.Q. fit into your scheme of things. Some people just do not have the
smarts to understand some things but can grasp others.
john: Where does I.Q. fit into your scheme of
things. . . . .> . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.. . . . . . . .> . .
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:23:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Get over it John
Be nice, Kevin. I am.
John, a brother in Christ
In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:40:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow. There are so many things we disagree on. Pick ONE of the following and stay with it, judy. I will respond to all your commits -- which I never do. But to illustrate just how far apart we are, her
In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:04:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Where would you come up with an idea like that? You can not be Mormon/Christian
any more than you can be Jew/Christian.
Regarding the Jew/Christian thing: read Acts 21. More than that -- virtually
In a message dated 3/27/2004 4:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not without repentance which means the sinner must consciously repent of and turn
from their sin.
What happens to the fellow who is not aware of his sin? The flow of the blood doesn't work until he, the s
Judy,
Since you are slandering me publicly, I must state I have NO IDEA what “issue”
you are referring to. If there is something you are feeling guilty about
from “the past”, please be assured that I don’t even remember
it. I would appreciate it if you would make your disparaging remarks
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If you had been respecting my request, you
would not even have been asking questions, Judy.
BT
From:
Judy
Taylor
Get over it John
Do you want Judy to be as wishy washy as some on this list that still have not found the truth?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/26/2004 8:54:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt says You recently posted an email that addressed both BillT and mys
In a message dated 3/26/2004 9:47:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Our faith should not rest in Church history. Why do you say that
God's grace and the blood of the lamb are the answer to all the mess. Do you think that
God will validate all of the things you mention above a
If you had been respecting my request, you would
not even have been asking questions, Judy.
BT
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:52
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
From: "Wm. Taylor
In a message dated 3/26/2004 8:54:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt says
You recently posted an email that addressed both BillT and myself. I think this is what Izzy was talking about. She used the party scenario. Mine is the gunslinger scenario. There you are on
In a message dated 3/26/2004 7:33:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A pot luck's a pot luck.
And balony is balony (I actually do not have you in mind -- trust me0.
J
jt says > Let me try and get this
straight. Bill are you asking if it is OK to add to or
subtract from God's Word? I know you would not call it
that but I've heard
so much about wordsmithing in recent days - what's
wrong with calling
things what God has called them in His
Words?
Judy, Wha
A pot luck's a pot luck.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:52
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
In a
message dated 3/26/2004 6:41:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [
In a message dated 3/26/2004 6:41:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, now that that's settled I guess we can get back to real fellowship. Whose turn is it to bring the meat loaf?
Meatloaf or big four pound tube of bolany?
John
Well, now that that's settled I guess we can get
back to real fellowship. Whose turn is it to bring the meat loaf?
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:14
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God i
In a message dated 3/26/2004 12:20:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there room in the professing church for a convergence of sorts between God's spoken words and words spoken about God, still his but expressed in fresh language.
I would say absolutely not. True unders
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:32
AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our
unconscious
Glad we can agree on something Bill - would you say that language is part
of our problem?
bt: Yes I wo
, March 26, 2004 11:45
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in
our unconscious
Izzy,
Have you ever treaded glass so as to stay away from
stickers? I did not really know what to do with Peck. As I said, I am not all
that familiar with him. I wasn't aware of
how much wisdom he wrote at that point, before knowing Christ
personally). I was just wondering if Peck’s “unconscious” is the same as your
“spiritual instinct”. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Wm.
TaylorSent: Friday, Marc
“unconscious”
is the same as your “spiritual instinct”. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wm. Taylor
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:50
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God in
our unconscious
"Then he goes on to explain that th
jt > "We
ignore them and hope they will go away."
Yeah, I hear that. It seems that there is no clear
discernment in this area. Either we do as you say and never address the problem,
or we go to the other extreme and start dusting demons out of the church and
exercising pews. There does nee
"Then he goes on to explain that this
is what we term the presence of the Holy Spirit."
Izzy, I am not familiar enough with
Peck to have much more than an elementary appreciation for what he is saying. If
he goes on to nuance his words and attach them to a biblical-language type
indwelling
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