Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 5/16/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dead on, Wendy. Brett lives in Portland, as does Craig, the perpetrator
of
Shale.
For the record, Howard Lewis Ship (original creator of Tapestry) lives in
Portland too :-).
Yes, and Tapestry has about as much to
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as if... Indeed :-)
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Part 2: Anatomy of a Shale application
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-shale05126/
See the wiki for a full list of Shale articles:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts
Niall Pemberton wrote:
On 4/22/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Here is what I think someone would find by examining the archive.
Whenever certain pointed questions are posed, one of two things happens:
(1) The person being posed the question simply walks away from
the question without any nonsense about the
Apache Way:
What is the reason not to let Frank (or others who are able and willing
to do so) commit code?
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that.
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We all have a limited number of volunteer hours to spend. I choose to
my time helping earnest users. If anyone wants to return that
courtesy, please find another earnest user to help, and share the
wealth
some sign that you would not just
walk away from the discussion yet again.
So, there it is, Ted. are you going to walk away from this discussion?
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Here's a handy summary for future reference:
The Apache Struts
development stagnated? You mention poor communication with
your user community. That is definitely a problem. What were the other
principal mistakes you made?
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It is a
personal goal of mine to improve this, and to see
Niall Pemberton wrote:
On 4/18/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would venture to guess, just as an outside observer, that if the
author of Strecks is not given commit access to Struts itself, then he
may run into limitations in the Struts codebase and end up making
modifications
Alexandre Poitras wrote:
On 4/19/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Maybe a big big big EGO :)
Sure, I have an ego that's bigger than the Grand Canyon. I also have a
mole on my left buttock.
But what does this have to do with anything though?
Again
obnoxious and nasty to try to shut down the
taboo conversation.
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Thanks for at least showing them the way.
On 4/18/06, Phil Zoio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please allow me to shed a bit more light on a couple
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
[...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
refactoring the existing Struts 1.x codebase...
As an example, I've always been pissy about the Action being tightly
coupled
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Well, there [are] all these issues, and yeah, I guess they could make
you and other people shudder.
If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
Well
Alexandre Poitras wrote:
On 4/19/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
[...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
refactoring the existing Struts 1.x
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Dave Newton wrote:
If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
Well, that's one assessment. OTOH, it is problematic to think that if
somebody disagrees
and encourage people to move to Action2 or Shale.
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Z.
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=39840
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It is not clear to me how using something that is inferior technically
will, as a general proposition, help you to fulfill your business
requirements.
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Well, if the Struts developers themselves
believe that?
It really makes me wonder whether you view certain things through
special rose-colored glasses.
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.
In the case of Strecks, a similar case would the EL tags. At first,
it was a separate subproject
on a project will fail;
shrug
I think the above statement -- at least if I understand it -- is based
on a fallacy.
Ditto.
Okay, so that means that what *I* am saying is based on a fallacy. Okay,
maybe that is so. Point out the fallacy then.
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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
For starters, development on Struts 1.x, a.k.a. Struts Classic, has been
more or less stagnant since about 2002.
Umm, since we all like dealing with facts that are not in dispute...
Struts 1.0, released June 2001
Struts 1.0.1, released
to recommend Struts 1.x at this stage of
history. If the developers of the thing basically say it's obsolete and
won't be developed further, why on earth should this not be taken at
face value?
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I have to wonder how anyone
Bart Busschots wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
What do you mean so what, Frank? If one is new to the java web
application space, why on earth should one start using a framework
like Struts Classic that (a) is not state of the art and (b) is not
going to be developed any further?
WHY
.
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K.
On 4/6/06, slam dunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario,
Have you checked out projects like:
http://sequoiaerp.org/
http://www.compiere.org/
The advice coming from this user-list is usually very confusing. I guess
toolset will be made up many
times over down the road.
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Now that I've given it a test drive, some questions arose:
1) I tried using Eclipse, as I've always did, for developing. What IDE
do you suggest?
2) I
the Struts people, for
the most part, simply won't countenance the possibility (the _glimmer_
of a possibility, I almost dare say) that there has been anything wrong
with their basic approach towards managing the project up until now.
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the concept of something being stable with it being
stationary. In so doing, you have entered into a rather sterile semantic
game IMO.
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On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, Alexandre, how
of an
extraordinary amount of abuse here, but there is no need to take out
your frustrations on somebody who, AFAICS, has been pretty reasonable
and spoken in good faith. (i.e. keep your eye on the ball... ;-))
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On 3/29
they wouldn't be doing if they fully understood what was going on.
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. Webwork.
Actually, Bart Busschots did just state that, before this discussion, he
did not have a clear idea of what was going on. That's only one guy,
okay, but I seriously doubt that he is exceptional in this regard.
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Konstantin Priblouda wrote:
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Since I don't see that, I have to conclude that most
people don't grok
what is going on, or at least the full implications.
If one does
understand the full implications, one ought to be
quite wary about
continuing
they would feel some onus to answer such
questions. If there are 22 Struts committers who had a say in the
decision to go with WW, you'd think they wouldn't all go into hiding
when questions are asked about this stuff.
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Struts development stagnate?
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Enough is enough. This is going no where usefull, just into the land of
spam and trolling.
Bart.
Dakota Jack wrote:
Good god, this seems to be a disease that is catching. Why don't YOU
Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I'm also certain that escalating these conversations gets us
nowhere. The only positive solution I know of is to try to point the
conversation towards constructive issues and not destructive. It's
Karsten Krieg wrote:
Karsten, for a response to your points below, I direct you to my
response to Bart Busschots in this same thread. You may consider that
this is also response to you.
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Guys,
Struts is being
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, your taste is questionable. You guys think that Struts 1.x is good
code. The Struts developers don't even think that.
Struts 1.x sucks compared to WebWork 2, I think everybody got it.
Actually, you
fallacy.
In any case, as regards telling _me_ to put up or shut up, you are
talking to somebody who has made significant contributions to this
application space.
To the best of my knowledge, you have made no comparable contributions.
This really takes a lot of gall on your part.
Jonathan Revusky
Joe Germuska wrote:
At 5:30 PM +0200 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky wrote:
It has some clear implications too. No matter how you shake it, the
two things were technical *competitors*. Normally, the Struts people
should be about as happy to say that Webwork is better as to have a
tooth pulled. So
Niall Pemberton wrote:
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It still seems broadly on-topic to me. It's certainly a legitimate,
well-formulated question.
Seriously, the only other possibility I see is struts-dev
fascist stuff of trying to shut people up and cut off debate is really
too much. Vinny, you should really think about this stuff a bit more, dude.
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In closing, Larry, who are you to be telling me that I should
that Webwork is technically better.
If you want to defend Struts 1.x after that, then you're in the position
of being more catholic than the pope.
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To me this seems like a nice merger that benefits both projects.
The betamax
1.x is great stuff after the Struts developers themselves
have abandoned it in favor of Webwork.
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On 3/29/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vinny wrote:
I still say that struts 1.x has not lost
if they talk about it?
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, since it is by the WW people, but
probably factual enough. You get various blog entries and you can ask
these people, who surely know a lot more than I do.
The truth is out there (somewhere).
I hope that helps.
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question, Bart. You didn't answer me before on this. Before today,
did you understand what was going on with this Struts/Webwork stuff? I
am curious about this.
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Bart.
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Bart Busschots wrote
Dion Gillard wrote:
On 3/30/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dion Gillard wrote:
Jonathan,
do you have a list of things that are technically wrong with Struts 1.x?
Dion, there is a Struts/Webwork merger afoot whereby the Webwork
codebase is being donated to ASF
communication between developers and
users here. You guys just seem to be clued out as to what is going on.
You should not use me as some kind of scapegoat to take out your
frustrations on. Take this stuff up with the Struts PMC, not with me.
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seemed kind of passionate just now.
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Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Bart Busschots wrote:
OK, I'm keeping this short:
1) No one put a gun to the WebWorks guys and made them become part of
struts, they chose that
True
that people don't answer questions on this list and look what
you've just done.
So do you have an answer?
You should not use me as some kind of scapegoat to take out your
frustrations on. Take this stuff up with the Struts PMC, not
with me. Jonathan Revusky
Very unbecoming of you Jon. Stop
Quinn Stone wrote:
Larry Meadors, Rick Reumann, recently departed Jester Moose. Thank you.
What are you thanking them for? Let's rewind a sec here. James Mitchell
posted a private message to this list that I wrote several days ago when
I was angry. He posted the private message in an attempt
and they chose not to.
And then they start this stuff. Yet you are trying to extract some kind
of moral equivalence out of this.
Well, maybe you got ruined by being exposed to too much moral relativism
and other sophistry in college.
ยด
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Larry Meadors wrote:
LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
On 3/28/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do keep your eye on the ball, Paul. These people have had every chance
to respond to my points via legitimate debate and they chose not to.
OK, so what you are saying here
Dave Newton wrote:
List members. Here I am sorry for the off-topic. Dave Newton seems to be
insinuating something -- though it's not 100% clear what.
Larry Meadors wrote:
LOL, Jon, do you read your own posts?
Who has the time?
As a side note, back when he was spraying on the Velocity
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Paul really seemed to see moral equivalence between me and the people
engaging in the vicious attacks -- consider James Mitchell, who was
posting a private message in public in order to fan the flames.
Or in order to point out what an ass you
don't like you doing this to JR, but JR is a bad
guy could lead these kinds of people to interpret this as a sort of
nudge, nudge, wink, wink. I really hope that wasn't your intention.
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That's just a personal
Emmanouil Batsis wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Struts has also fallen further and further behind technically in its
space. (This has what has led to the Webwork merger so that the
Struts umbrella could offer something reasonably up-to-date.)
[Note: This is not a reply to Jonathan
2.2.
Well, FreeMarker has a license that is basically the same BSD-style
license that ASF uses. There is no requirement there for anybody who
uses this work to share my political views. Actually, they don't even
have to like my guts. :-)
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do. But yes, I
think it is only fair to disclose the above things, so that people can
make the right technical decisions.
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On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Jouravlev wrote
all escape off the pages of a
comic book or something? You don't quite seem 3-dimensional
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P.S. Larry, why did Struts development stagnate?
Larry
On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/27/06
I just wanted to apologize to everyone for my arrogant behavior recently.
I do understand that Struts isn't so bad. Times have been tough for me
lately and I think I acted out on this list because of it. None of the girls
ever spoke to me in high school and the jocks would always beat me up
.
:-( But if this is just like the corporate environment and we're not
getting paid to be here, then what are we doing here? Is this just
masochism?
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Hey Nony Moose wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Vinny wrote:
Seriously I'd
In case people don't realize this immediately, I didn't write this.
jonathan revusky wrote:
I just wanted to apologize to everyone for my arrogant behavior recently.
I do understand that Struts isn't so bad. Times have been tough for me
lately and I think I acted out on this list because
you their code and for that to be called Struts rather
than do your own work.
This whole community is such a travesty, it's beyond belief.
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P.S. Larry, in your spoof below, it's like you haven't even yet realized
butt-monkey post.
It was an honest mistake. Your behavior has been deplorable, of course,
but you didn't do this. :-)
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BTW, I do not live in Florida, and as a point of honor try to avoid
having battles of wits
?
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, unless you really do have that much trouble with the ladies and
dudes stealing your lunch money?).
Don't do it again, Rick.
As for this It's just an innocent joke stuff, we are not on a level of
familiarity for you to take confidences like this.
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Brandon Goodin wrote:
On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brandon Goodin wrote:
Okay,
I am not a regular reader of the struts mail that roles across my
inbox. But, this juicy tidbit caught my attention. Jonathan, I'd just
like to say that you took a bold step accusing
Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question is, at the very least, broadly on-topic.
This interpretation is wildly out of sync with the formal description
swallowed by
Struts in a very anti-darwinian survival of the lamest sort of mechanism.
I find this quite troubling.
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could check out:
http://freemarker.org/docs/xgui.html
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I use struts 1.1
I tryed incorporating stxx, but this limits the use of RequestProcessor
that I use in the application. I know of the following possibilities
.
If Howard had had the choice, he surely would have used Tapestry.
Anyway, you really ought to answer the question I posed earlier. Why, in
your opinion, did Struts development stagnate? Surely you have thought
about this
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Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
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I have no publicly-accessible open-source projects. If I did, I would
not give commit access to anybody that asked for it, because I do not
have the time to review the contributions of others and do not trust J.
Random Coder enough to assume
that their approach to project
management is beyond reproach.
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were not a participant is at
all acceptable. Maybe you should step back and think about this a bit.
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Okay,.. You're my hero!! Jonathan is king!!! Anything else? I
surrender, I'll say whatever you want
Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Lowe wrote:
Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that
apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of
half-wit struts users like me..
Mark, I was involved
I am asking you... :-)
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Craig McClanahan wrote:
No matter where the conversation developed, it has gone in directions that
are off topic on this list. Please
Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question is, at the very least, broadly on-topic.
This interpretation is wildly out of sync with the formal description of
this mailing list's purpose[1], quoted below:
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EventActionDispatcher from Struts 1.2.9.
Frankly, I doubt that Patrick was saying that you flat out couldn't do
this kind of thing with Struts or Webwork. I would interpret what he
said as meaning that the same thing using JSF, say, might be more
elegant/maintainable/synonym for good.
Jonathan
it is a Collection
objection. (And your own custom objects as long as they implement
java.util.Iterable.)
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Neil Meyer
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the one
described in that article would be caught at that point. But another
point about this is that having more people in the code could decrease
the mean life expectancy of such bugs because of the phenomenon of more
eyeballs.
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and
FreeMarker are separate projects.
Well, in short, none of what you have said in this message I am replying
to rings true to me.
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People who think like PHBs want everything to be about brand and
product
have so much
to lose.
Thanks for the advice. We should implement this new process right away.
Tell me, does the same old wine in a new bottle taste any different?
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at it... :-)
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Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I just visited the above link and read the article and I don't see how
this can be presented as evidence against a more open collaborative
model. Basically it's the story of a bug. Somebody made a mistake.
People will make mistakes regardless.
Yep
strongly suspect there is.
In any case, it is not a subject of legitimate debate at this point that
progress on the Struts framework stagnated. If you guys were doing
everything right, then what is your explanation for that?
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Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/22/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to
a codebase.
Henri, I feel I should give you a bit of end-user feedback. I am not
active in any apache.org projects
further such criticism, I will respect
your request.
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you do or not, should people who offer their opinion in good
faith be subjected to this kind of lame, moronic sarcasm? To me, this
just doesn't seem like adult behavior.
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struts.apache.org and understands immediately what struts is from the
text there. If you say so, dude. What do I care? No skin off my back.
You're only damaging yourselves.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
George Dinwiddie wrote:
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Scott Adams has made his fortune displaying the cynical view of managers
that you describe. Indeed, from the point of view of the technical
staff or others with limited access to those managers, it often looks
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
As regards insults, there is a difference of perspective here. My own
feeling is that in all of my posts I have exercised a great degree of
self-restraint.
Unless you count being able to state your view concisely.
There are 2 basic reasons
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Maybe that's what you meant to say but you didn't have the intestinal
fortitude to say it so you posted the asinine stuff about a patch.
Oooo! Me! Me! Pick me!
Put up or shut up!
I'm leaning towards the shut up myself, but that didn't work years
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I already am spending too much time on this [...]
Agreed.
2. I know that there is significant animosity towards me here [...]
My animosity towards you is from years ago, actually;
I remember that vaguely, yes. Still feeling animosity over
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 3/23/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In order to be able to offer something
reasonably state of the art, the Struts community is basically
abandoning the Struts 1.x codebase and inviting the Webwork people in.
The Webwork 2.2 codebase then gets
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
First of all, pPeople seem to be addressing things I never said. For
example, I don't think I ever said that people should be allowed to
commit _anonymously_. I simply said that I believed you could
be quite
liberal about granting commit
community, and
shouldn't be unless the communities show significant overlap.
It's that simple :)
Oh, that's a relief. It only *looks* complicated. :-)
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Hen
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Well, have you considered the positional issues I raised in the
earlier post? The order in which people vote is quite important.
Offhand, here is an idea:
You know, I meant to address that and I completely forgot :) I think
you do raise
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I guess you and I think quite differently about certain things. In
another part of this discussion, you mentioned malice as a reason not
to give people commit access on an on-demand basis. However, this is
something that hardly occurs to me
, it is not the
ostensible topic of this list, but the discussion developed here. The
people now complaining about this thread, it's not clear what their
grievance is... If somebody is not interested, they don't have to read
it...
Jonathan Revusky
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lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
I revert to my statement that a version repository makes it
quite easy
to restore the code to any point it was at in the past.
In any case, consider some potential bad consequence of letting just
about anybody commit:
1. On occasion
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 3/21/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consider the C2 Wiki and Wikipedia as analogies. Yes, it's easy to
delete obviously false information. It's just as easy to reintroduce
it. Keeping the worst of the cruft out is pretty
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