Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Hadiths are one of the sources of muslim teachings, and Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are some of the most respected and venerated, but you still consider them unrealizable and corrupted. And yet, you take wikipedia and Internet Blogs as more reliable than these venerated sources. My friend,

Re: [Vo]:List integrity

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
So, muslims do not approve of what muhammed did? Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:List integrity At 02:33 AM 1/1/2013, Jojo Jaro

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
My friend, you can not debate with someone by putting- the words in his mouth and proceed to demolish it. That a strawman argument. I never believed in geocentrism and I have not met anyone of my church friends who does. But, we do believe in a different kind of geocentrism, that with all

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
My friend, you are missing the point of my legal arguments of Preponderance of Evidence. For instance, when a witness appears in court to testify about something he saw, the opposing counsel has his chance to impeach the credibility of that witness. After he has done so, and the witness has

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
That is where you are wrong my friend. A TRUE Christian will not find a call to Idolatry beautiful. A muslim call to prayer is a call to pray to a false god (allah the moon god) in front of an idol (kabah - a meteroite stone.) Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
I've already said, you can not enroll into this muslim school that Obama enrolled in if you were not registered as a muslim. And any adoption of a child by an Indonesian muslim man automatically makes the child a muslim. That was the law. Research it my friend. Jojo - Original

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Chuck, if you believe that Obama is a Natural-Born US citizen, then why not just open up access to a innocuous piece of document. Why not show all brithers the vault BC. It's simple my friend. It will end the controversy. Instead of doing that, you resort to accusations about treason because

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread jwinter
On 2/01/2013 4:44 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: My friend, you can not debate with someone by putting- the words in his mouth and proceed to demolish it. That a strawman argument. I never believed in geocentrism We were not supposed to be discussing what you *believed*. We were supposed to be

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Any heterogeneous group of people fall under this category. And the larger the group is, the better is the example, since it implies a larger variety of people. So, what you are saying about Islam applies much better to Christianity, since it is a bigger group. 2013/1/2 Jojo Jaro

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Yes, we are discussing what the Bible says. Where in the Bible does it say the sun revolves around the Earth? Where does it say the Earth is 6000 years old? That is all I'm asking. IF you want to accept my challenge, show me where the Bible says something that is categorically wrong. So,

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
My friend, show me where Christians go after each other's throats like the Sunnis and the Shiites. Last time I checked, Methodists were not cutting off Baptist's heads. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:22

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread leaking pen
I sharpen my machete every time I hear that the WBC is in town. Oh, and look at how the mormons were treated. And since you seem so fond of using past behavior to villify a group today, hows about how the Catholic Church treated the protestants? On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Jojo Jaro

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Huh, the people who killed each other the most ever were those from Christian faith, that means nearly all wars in Europe for 1600 years. Towards non Christians, you can count genocides in the hundreds of millions through out the world as well as the largest slavery schemes of history. But I

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
(I should have just mentioned this.) Remember, Catholic is NOT Christian. Catholicism is a pagan religion dressed in Christian clothes. The sins of the papa against everyone else is not the sins of a Christian. Real Chrisitans were also victims of the excesses of the papa. Jojo

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Tell me Chan or Ny Min, what degrees do you have? Jojo - Original Message - From: leaking pen To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age if at least half the facts are

RE: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread Zell, Chris
Exactly! This effect has been discovered and forgotten and discovered again. From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Papp and Water I looked at the Papp cannon video again.

RE: [Vo]:OT: Call For Death Of Climate Deniers

2013-01-02 Thread Zell, Chris
Just exploring? Would you like more of these sort of comments from Hansen, perhaps? Or maybe people with some authority trying to compare climate deniers to pedophiles, as recently reported on Drudge?

Re: [Vo]:List integrity

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I was astounded to see that painting, I thought perhaps it had been hacked. But it appears to not be an anachronism, though the glasses certainly look modern. Live and learn. Serious comment: People in the past often had better technology and

Re: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Axil, I agree with your thinking, I will also mention that I believe these plasmoids or energetic particles love mass-energy dense matter like WATER. It gives them something to shred at their surface and spit out their tail, leaving ionized, charged particles. As I have been modelling what I

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
It is Beta Decay and Ionizing radiation triggered at the surface of that plasmoid/dark matter particle. It is also probably the reason Papp died of Colon cancer, which is known to be caused from ionizing radiation.

RE: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread Zell, Chris
http://www.oocities.org/waterfuel111/water_explosion_menu.html The above isn't exactly Acta Physica but it has some interesting links and claims From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed, it's entirely up to you the credibility you assign to those reports. The people seem credible but you never know. As I said, I am not the police. I have not run background checks. It does not matter how credible these reports are if Rossi

Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Jojo, you do not understand hadith, how they are assembled, analyzed, evaluated, and used. Your use of the term venerated is revealing: the hadith scholars are not at all venerated. What in the world are your sources for all this nonsense about Islam that you are spouting??? On Jan 2,

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Again, Jojo, you are neither representative of Christianity, nor able to speak for Christians. It is arrogant -- and revealing -- for you to suggest that you do. On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:11 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: That is where you are wrong my friend. A TRUE Christian will not find a call to

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
I repeat, what is your evidence for these bizarre statements, Jojo? On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: I've already said, you can not enroll into this muslim school that Obama enrolled in if you were not registered as a muslim. And any adoption of a child by an Indonesian muslim

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
! Study the history of Christianity, Jojo, before making such nonsensical statements. You could start with the inquisition, for example, and progress through Jean Calvin, for starters. On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: My friend, show me where Christians go after each other's

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2013-01-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Tell me Chan or Ny Min, what degrees do you have? leaky pen is not Chan. AAMoF he has been around a lot longer than you have.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Catholics are obviously Christians, they just have different rites, even among themselves. If you cannot accept this fact about your own religion, no one will take you seriously about you talking about someone else's religions. 2013/1/2 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** (I should have just

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer. Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp device? I know that he was exposed to it, but only for a short time before it exploded. If that was long enough to give

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Vorl Bek
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:50:05 -0500 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer. Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp device? I know that he was exposed

RE: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread Jones Beene
Caveat- please be aware that two of the four original authors of the 1998 water arc paper have later distanced themselves from the conclusions of a bona fide energy anomaly. George Hathaway, who had the best scientific credentials and reputation of the four, was vocal for several years in being

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Who is leaky pen? Do you mean leaking pen? Who is leaking pen? Jojo - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age On Wed, Jan 2,

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
A Christian is one who trust Jesus Christ alone as his saviour for his salvation. A Christian's final authority on all matters of faith and practice is the Bible. Catholics are not like that. They believe that you have to trust your good works, catholic traditions and catholic dogma for your

Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
My sources are Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari. If you do not want to accept these, then say so. Do not pretend that I have not provided muslim sources. At least Lomax has confessed that he thinks Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are corrupt. Jojo - Original Message - From: de

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Fine, if you do not want to accept it, then don't. I've already said it. Do your own research. Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies I repeat,

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
I am aware of the excesses of the catholic papa, but what did John Calvin do? Please educate me. Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Will you promise to moderate your incessant off-topic posts? Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. Please remove this discussion to

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
With regardd to the place of death of Aaron. This is what the Bible has to say about it. 20:27 And Moses did as the LORD commanded: and they went up into mount Hor in the sight of all the congregation. 20:28 And Moses stripped Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son; and

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
I'm afraid that I am unable to educate you. On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: I am aware of the excesses of the catholic papa, but what did John Calvin do? Please educate me. Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread P.J van Noorden
Jojo, Here in the Netherlands they(christians) were cutting throats in the 80 y war between 1568 and 1648. Peter - Original Message - From: Jojo Jaro To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Can you elaborate? Which war is this? Which Christian denominations or groups? Jojo - Original Message - From: P.J van Noorden To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. Jojo,

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
In his post, at the end, Jojo complains about the length of my response. It's long because Jojo raises, in a single post, many issues. If he raised one only, the response would be much briefer. A very brief response may necessarily, to be honest, uncivil. I call an argument, below, pigshit.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread P.J van Noorden
Between protestants and catholics in the Netherlands. It looks a bit as the war between Sunnis and Shiites, but then 350 y earllier. Were I live villages were terrorised and people were beheaded. Peter - Original Message - From: Jojo Jaro To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Please move this discussion to VortexB-L.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Very well, end of the debate, unless you have something else. Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls. I'm afraid that I am unable

RE: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread Zell, Chris
http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/waterarc/waterarcexplosion.html Try the above as to success. _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:RE: [Vo]:Papp and

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Peter, do they have a name for this war so that I can research it more thoroughly. Which protestant denomination was involved? And you do realize that I do not consider Catholic as Christian. Jojo - Original Message - From: P.J van Noorden To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Alan Fletcher
Steven Karels January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, Your previous postings mentioned “direct EMF” coming from the reactor core. Could you please clarify? I have heard of possible direct conversion to electricity by coupling the energy from a charged moving particle into a

Re: [Vo]:List integrity

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:29 AM 1/2/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, muslims do not approve of what muhammed did? My post was clear. Muslims vary in opinion, but, speaking generally: Muslims do not approve of what Jojo claims Muhammad did. Some Muslims approve of some aspects of what Jojo claims. No Muslims approve of

Re: [Vo]:new video: Heinz Klostermann on the Papp engine

2013-01-02 Thread Ruby
While this is not cold fusion, I had an opportunity to video a new energy lab, and took it. I will continue to create portraits of new energy researchers, if it comes my way. I see cold fusion as the most probable breakthrough for the near future, but the Papp engine may not be far

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
But then, the longer you post, the more vague your answer is. And you never answer directly. You love to beat around the bush and answer obliquely to avoid being painted into a corner. A corner that you are embarassed to be in. For instance. You said you do not believe the accounts in

RE: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP to change their course of development, i.e., direct conversion to electricity? This may serve as an independent replication of a discovery of a direct conversion phenomenon if both companies were going down one path (conversion-to-heat) and then

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread David Roberson
Interesting, but we are going to have to wait and see if there is anything to this latest statement. Of course, electromagnetic transformers do not work with DC which is what I was expecting if the energy is due to radiation of some kind. Perhaps he leaves out the part about an external

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread jwinter
On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: I am aware of the excesses of the catholic papa, but what did John Calvin do? Please educate me. He had the scientist Michael Servetus (who contributed enormously to medicine and was the first European to describe pulmonary circulation) put to

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:13 AM 1/2/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote: I've already said, you can not enroll into this muslim school that Obama enrolled in if you were not registered as a muslim. And any adoption of a child by an Indonesian muslim man automatically makes the child a muslim. That was the law. Research it

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: My first thought was thermo-electric (in which Rossi has some .. history), but that counter-indicated by his low temperature comments. How about gammavoltaics? I mentioned this from of energy conversion to Rossi on his blog

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
At first, Jojo, when you posted your nonsensical assertions about Islam, I thought I could help you learn about Islam. Then I realized as you posted further, that you were intent on attacking Islam and that learning was not what you wanted to do. I then did two things: continue to post about

RE: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread Jones Beene
Quote from test results: The average kinetic energy of the water projectile, based on its ability to lift objects, was around 0.1% to 0.3% of the input energy. ... extraordinarily poor results ... Now you understand why Hathaway backed away from Graneau. Unfortunately, this will not help Papp

Re: [Vo]:List integrity

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Ok, and this ends my participation in this exchange. Harry On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Both are false. On Dec 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Sorry I am confused. What is considered false here? A nine year old is barely out

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Is there any beauty in your life? Harry On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: That is where you are wrong my friend. A TRUE Christian will not find a call to Idolatry beautiful. A muslim call to prayer is a call to pray to a false god (allah the moon god) in

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:13 AM 1/2/2013, Craig wrote: You can have a book that contains many truths, along with many un-proven assertions. This is why books, per-se, cannot be used to ascertain truth. They can only add to available evidence. As a general principle, one of the known techniques of deception is to

RE: [Vo]:Papp and Water

2013-01-02 Thread Zell, Chris
I am confused as to what they are claiming. They seem to be saying that they reproduced 'Graneau's efficiency', as reported. Perhaps this involves the transmission of thrust to lifting objects rather than the full amount of energy within the explosion. Graneau said this was a problem. He

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread mixent
In reply to MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:45:37 -0800: Hi, [snip] So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP to change their course of development, i.e., direct conversion to electricity? This may serve as an independent replication of a discovery of a direct conversion

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, if you put enough steel, lead, earth or concrete between you and ionizing radiation you can be protected. I think Joseph Papp died at age 56...not exactly old age... On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Lomax, please read up on the case of the Nordyke twins. They were born within a few days of Obama and they were able to obtain a long form copy of their BC. You lie once again by claiming that there is no legal way. Quite obviously there is, cause the Nordyke twins were able to do it.

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
A Hillary Clinton insider has claimed that Chelsea was threatened if Hillary made it public that he believed Obama was not Natural-Born US Citizen. Bill Clinton was prepared to cross the illuminati but he decided that Chelsea's life was more important than Hillary's presidency. Tell me, who

RE: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)

2013-01-02 Thread Jones Beene
The Rossi claim may not be similar to the new Mills' CIHT device, but it is similar to an old Mills' device - the one known as the reverse gyrotron. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to MarkI-ZeroPoint's message: Hi, So has Rossi also stumbled upon what caused BLP

Re: [Vo]:List integrity

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Excellent my friend. You skill at spin is commendable, were it not misguided. Heck, if you reject my claims, you would have to reject Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari; cause they were the muslims works that documented my claims. Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:00 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: I am aware of the excesses of the catholic papa, but what did John Calvin do? Please educate me. He had the scientist Michael Servetus (who contributed enormously to medicine and

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Lomax claims that it matters not what allah's origins were. OK. Because it is clear from archeological evidence that allah (al-ilah) was the pagan moon god of arabs. He had 3 daughters that the koran initially said should be worshipped. Later muhammed abrogated those verses saying that he

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:34 AM 1/2/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed, it's entirely up to you the credibility you assign to those reports. The people seem credible but you never know. As I said, I am not the police. I have not run

Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
I'll check this out. Though Calvinists teach the doctrine of TULIP, that many scholars say is a non-Christian doctrine, much like the Catholic's dogmas. But I will not go there. You will not find me justifying the sins of John Calvin. If he did this, it would be wrong. Jojo -

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Kullander and Essen were taken in. Whether or not there was really generation of heat, in what they witnessed, is debatable. Nonsense. I am sure they were right. They checked carefully. Instruments of that nature, such as commercial flow meters, are highly reliable

Fwd: [Vo]:List integrity

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
Ok, and this ends my participation in this exchange. Harry On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Both are false. On Dec 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Sorry I am confused. What is considered false here? A nine year old is barely out

Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:40 AM 1/2/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote: Jojo, you do not understand hadith, how they are assembled, analyzed, evaluated, and used. Your use of the term venerated is revealing: the hadith scholars are not at all venerated. Bingo! What in the world are your sources for all this

Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Thanks, Abd ar-Rahman. Some time ago I wrote a long post on Muslims, marriage, and pre-and post Quranic practices. Jojo said he would respond later, but never did. FYI, I subsequently read that post to a well-regarded Muslim scholar and he confirmed the accuracy of the post, so I'll let my

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
This should have been tagged OT from the beginning. However, changing a subject header after it has started screws up threading, and the whole point of my responding at all to Jojo is to keep sane information in his threads, for future readers who find this through Google. I would never

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L. I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless. I have already filtered out Jojo. So why don't YOU take this discussion to

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree 100% On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'a...@lomaxdesign.com'); wrote: Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L. I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be googleable. So from

Re: [Vo]:new video: Heinz Klostermann on the Papp engine

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:41 PM 1/2/2013, Ruby wrote: While this is not cold fusion, I had an opportunity to video a new energy lab, and took it. I will continue to create portraits of new energy researchers, if it comes my way. Sure. However, be careful. What is the purpose of Cold Fusion Now? Do you aim to

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

2013-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: You have no evidence they were taken in. They are smart people and they have been doing experiments for decades. Not of this type. Of this type exactly. No, *many people* have examined the results and came up with problems that were

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:50 PM 1/2/2013, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Please remove this discussion to VortexB-L. I doubt that will happen. VortexB-l does not appear to be googleable. So from Jojo's point of view, it could be useless. I have already

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Oh, I'm quivering, shaking with the possibility that *Jed Rothwell* might filter me out. I am not going to subscribe to VortexB-l. This is supposedy a moderated list. If it stays unmoderated, I won't be here long.

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Stewart and Rothwell don't realize the implications of leaving seriously offensive posts in the Vortex archive, without response. I am responding to only a few of Jojo's posts, he's been flooding the list. After promising to stop, he posted 20 times here yesterday, and 28 times today, carrying

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

2013-01-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:06 PM 1/2/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: You have no evidence they were taken in. They are smart people and they have been doing experiments for decades. Not of this type. Of this type exactly. Kullander and

[Vo]:OT: Better communication through listening and reading

2013-01-02 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.sklatch.net/thoughtlets/listen.html The closing remarks: Good listening is arguably one of the most important skills to have in today's complex world. Families need good listening to face complicated stresses together. Corporate employees need it to solve complex problems quickly and

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
My friend, there is no need to worry that I am winning or not. That is not my goal. I have said, this will end when people make a committment to moderate their off-topic posts. If I get a commitment from a couple of individuals that they will moderate the noise, I will stop altogether.

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
But El is not the name of the God of Israel. El is a generic word, not a proper name. The proper name of the God of Israel is Jehovah. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther

[Vo]:something to consider

2013-01-02 Thread Eric Walker
I am starting this as a new thread because many people are starting to skip entire threads. See my questions below. I wrote If that's the best we can do for now, how to address Abd's pressing concern about having his background and religion subject to constant assault on this list? But really

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Instead of filtering each other out, why not just make a commitment to moderate the off-topic posts. That is all I want. Jojo - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about

Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Lomax and Bivort, why is it that you consider the work of scholars who lived 1600 years later better than the testimony of the person herself as recorded by your own muslim scholars. I find this attempt at deception instructive but puzzling. A'isha herself said, in 2 respected hadiths, that

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Yes, the implications of the truth would be devatating indeed. Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little

Re: [Vo]:OT: Better communication through listening and reading

2013-01-02 Thread Peter Gluck
dear Harry thanks for informing about this excellent article- on our overspammed Vortex! It inspires me to think about: Coulomb and other barriers in LENR Peter On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.sklatch.net/thoughtlets/listen.html The closing

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread David Roberson
Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these issues with him in private? I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them over and over is beginning to wear on me. I have a hard time believing that you must personally defend Islam to this extent and did it occur to you that

Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
OK, why can't the President of the United States make a special request to get his long form. You say there was no legal way, but in fact there is. Abercrombie has enough authority by himself as governor to do this. Obama could make a 2 minute phone call and the Bither issue would be resolved

RE: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I too, as one who has been on and off of Vortex over ten years, and consistently for the last 4 years, tire of this ridiculous banter between JoJo and Abd. Both of you have lost sight of the main purpose of this forum, and I will be emailing Bill Beaty to ban BOTH of you for a short time. GROW

Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
Alright. If you believe that your research is more authoritative than Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, so be it. People will see how desperate you are at tying to spin this away. I can understand what you are trying to do. The revelation that your beloved prophet was actually a child sex

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
I have no desire to be googleable. My desire is to highlight the noise problem in vortex so that Jed and other off-topic violators see the impact of their noise on others. If we can solve this issue, I will go away. You expressed concern that people will see my threads are true if it is not

Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

2013-01-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
David, can you call for a moderation of the off-topic posts from others. If the most blatant off-topic offenders would simply make a small promise to moderate their incessant noise, that would be enough to satisfy the main reason why I am posting off-topic posts here. Note, I am not referring

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