Re: [Vo]:clever electric bike design

2009-09-25 Thread John Berry
2 wheels in the front, ewww. This one is a 2 wheeler... http://ecobike.diytrade.com/sdp/462663/4/pd-2542849/3022998-1264277/Electric_Folding_Bike.html But it's funny that the motor for New Zealand, Australia and Singapore has a 200W motor but USA has 500W... On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:37 AM,

Re: [Vo]:The coming of Wireless Power, A report on CNN

2009-09-20 Thread John Berry
That's not how inductive or resonant transfer works. Imagine a magnet rotating in space end over end, does it's field radiate like rays of light? No. Does it lose (radiate) much energy? No. However it is possible to tap energy from it if close enough to it. Now as for the ring of metal, did you

Re: [Vo]:Invisible aircraft

2009-09-19 Thread John Berry
A magician was employed to make Panama disappear I think it was, saw a thing on it recently... On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:04 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From: Mr. Beaty ... Re: [Vo]:Progress in invisibility cloaks ... Years ago I recall seeing

Re: [Vo]:Invisible aircraft

2009-09-19 Thread John Berry
It was the port of Alexandria and Suez Canal, hidden by Jasper Maskelyne.. The show was the pilot of That's impossible with Jonathan Frakes... On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:23 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: A magician was employed to make Panama disappear I think it was, saw a thing

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

2009-08-31 Thread John Berry
Infected by the virus of the mind that makes you press the button again and again... Except for blowing the world up it's harmless... On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:14:29 -0500: Hi,

Re: [Vo]:Free energy device pays for itself in less then a month [sic]

2009-08-24 Thread John Berry
Can the point be made that incase anyone incredibly green just dropped on the list, this is a joke and Magniwork is a scam. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: As advertised by Robert Park 8^) in his What's New, get info on where to buy your kit for

Re: [Vo]:Paper on the ball bearing motor via Google

2009-08-20 Thread John Berry
Has a suitably constructed (magnetic steel?) slip ring been shown not to produce the effect? On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: Horace Heffner wrote: It's hard to see how AM balances; that's true. However, take a look at the attached jpeg,

Re: [Vo]:Paper on the ball bearing motor via Google

2009-08-20 Thread John Berry
such a contact in many ways. Would it not be good to identify if the ball bearings play a real part in this? On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote: - Original Message - From: John Berry aethe...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo

Re: [Vo]:OT: Doctors

2009-07-30 Thread John Berry
1: High Impact Interval Training - So called cardio is bad for heart health2: Vitamin C and Lycine - rebuilds the heart and ateries see Linus Pauling 3: Ubiquinol - Especially good for CHF, effective cure 4: Cayenne Pepper immediately if a heart attack hits, can revive patients 5: Instead of a

Re: [Vo]:Bismuth + Dr. Schwartz = 3kW free energy

2009-07-28 Thread John Berry
Looks like he ripped off: http://www.rexresearch.com/craig/craig.htm On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: You didn't like the 100th Monkey recital? Terry On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This research is

Re: [Vo]:Dog bites man. Scientists tend to be conformists.

2009-07-24 Thread John Berry
You mean a man biting dog story surely? On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.comwrote: Jed - I'm waiting for the man bites dog story. At 02:34 PM 7/24/2009, you wrote: Ho-hum news:

Re: [Vo]:Curious shocking discharge from TC

2009-07-20 Thread John Berry
: John Berry wrote: I made a simple so-called Tesla Coil, the secondary is a pancake coil without top electrode and has a resonant frequency of 760khz, the primary circuit is a NST and I have used microwave diodes to rectify it so the coil is run on DC. Most of the time I have the Variac

Re: [Vo]:Curious shocking discharge from TC

2009-07-20 Thread John Berry
the arc despite having a larger capacitance it manifested the effect only weakly. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: John Berry wrote: I connected a signal generator to the secondary and hung the oscilloscope lead in the air, that is how i found

Re: [Vo]:Curious shocking discharge from TC

2009-07-20 Thread John Berry
I should have said a point concentrates charge and electric field density, it does not concentrate voltage. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:45 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'm not sure it is silly, counter intuitive but *maybe* right. A point concentrates charges and voltage

[Vo]:Curious shocking discharge from TC

2009-07-18 Thread John Berry
I made a simple so-called Tesla Coil, the secondary is a pancake coil without top electrode and has a resonant frequency of 760khz, the primary circuit is a NST and I have used microwave diodes to rectify it so the coil is run on DC. Most of the time I have the Variac set to severely limit the

Re: [Vo]:Phase Angle Question Posed to Yahoo QA

2009-07-16 Thread John Berry
reception of the high frequency, preferably the high frequency coil would sit inside the low frequency coil. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 7/15/09, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: From: John Berry aethe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo

Re: [Vo]:Phase Angle Question Posed to Yahoo QA

2009-07-15 Thread John Berry
Replying only to the answer and only to a part of the answer... Lenz law indeed insists the the induction is 90 degrees out of phase, however if a current is allowed to flow in the receiving coil then it's self inductance will cause the phase to be pushed as far as 180 degrees out. If the phase

Re: [Vo]:UFOs

2009-07-14 Thread John Berry
That's the spirit! On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to OrionWorks's message of Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:28:05 -0500: Hi, [snip] They came. They knocked on our door. We pretended nobody was home. They got the hint. They left. ...we ended up getting

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-13 Thread John Berry
You miss the point though.Personally to me it looks fake, probably because I am not used to seeing glowing plasma ring UFO's, and possibly because something didn't fit (for example no glow on clouds that I recall seeing). There is a strong bias which requires extraordinary proof to prove

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-13 Thread John Berry
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:22 PM, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.comwrote: John, You have stated: I saw this and then read his comment, so I knew what he was talking about and I had the same objection, this disproves the person claiming his 10 year old faked it. There are many prosaic

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread John Berry
The story is fake as Robin points out, the UFO look digital to me but then again some real things can do. (and the best CGI can probably fool anyone) On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:30:36 -0500: Hi,

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread John Berry
Robin can answer what he did and did not mean, however I have no doubt he saw what I did. The claim is that it is just a reflection in the window of a torch. However as the UFO rises into the clouds it becomes partially obscured. I saw this and then read his comment, so I knew what he was talking

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread John Berry
Problems with this being as claimed: 1. It goes into the clouds and includes being dimly visible so you would need one material to block it and another to attenuate it's brightness. 2. You would need to move the torch with every wiggle of the camera because it stays fixed in the background even

Re: [Vo]:2012 and Nebran Planet X

2009-07-05 Thread John Berry
I am an open minded guy, I mean I'll look at something a bit skeptically but will quickly accept wherever the weight of evidence leaves. All of these oh no ...'s gonna get is are really without any good evidence. How so many people believe this crap is beyond me, it seems that to believe it you

Re: [Vo]:Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

2009-06-29 Thread John Berry
had 3 close friends die. And polio had not been a problem for years and never was, there is no reason to believe it would have come back. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: John Berry wrote: Short version, Swine Flu is not especially deadly and compared

Re: [Vo]:Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

2009-06-29 Thread John Berry
That is getting a bit too close to politics, I know because I wanted to make a political reply regarding elections... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:55 AM, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.comwrote: From Ed Storms: I could go on, but you can see that some really big lies, along with many smaller

Re: [Vo]:Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

2009-06-29 Thread John Berry
that. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: John Berry wrote: There are a number of things I disagree with (including Spanish flu) but the only one i can be bothered with is your claim that it always helps more than it harms. I did not say

Re: [Vo]:Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

2009-06-29 Thread John Berry
I have not read: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html No doubt many more exist on the subject. Personally I'd rather talk about physics/energy/antigravity. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: John Berry wrote: I didn't read the second post from you when

Re: [Vo]:OT Comcast ISP, for your inconvenience

2009-06-29 Thread John Berry
Yeah, but who says that talking to anyone will help, watch this about someone calling Verizon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCJ3Oz5JVKs On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.comwrote: So I called Comcast to fix a billing problem…and I got to hear Shaq and

Re: [Vo]:Relative charge motion and electromagnetics

2009-06-28 Thread John Berry
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:14 PM, John Berry wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Sure, I have a view. If you feel the idea has merit I think you should more fully

Re: [Vo]:Relative charge motion and electromagnetics

2009-06-28 Thread John Berry
electromagnets a twist that their field strength suddenly grows. So anyone know if this is genuinely verified experimentally? On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:14 PM

Re: [Vo]:Relative charge motion and electromagnetics

2009-06-28 Thread John Berry
it is to me still quite comforting that there is a huge hole with an extraordinarily promising answer either way (IMO). On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:21 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: I read the paper and indeed it hit on something I have puzzeled on, wanted to know and may have even asked

Re: [Vo]:Relative charge motion and electromagnetics

2009-06-28 Thread John Berry
of posting irrelevant material on a thread and then calling out an individual to comment on it is less like that of a compliment than it is like a troll. On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:35 AM, John Berry wrote: Not the intention. Also trolling for what, an intelligent conversation on topic for the list

Re: [Vo]:Relative charge motion and electromagnetics

2009-06-28 Thread John Berry
voltage that could maybe cancel the effect out, also any negative inductance could be confused with some capacitance. Ok, so maybe I can't answer it right now On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:48 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Horace, while I don't fully understand your FE generator on page

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

2009-06-27 Thread John Berry
BTW all of this reminds me of an idea I had a very long time ago.Later someone had the same idea (or stole mine) and put it here: http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ http://www.geocities.com/nayado/The problem of Bill's spiraling current not causing a magnetic field but the protons causing the field

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

2009-06-27 Thread John Berry
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: Sure, I have a view. If you feel the idea has merit I think you should more fully write up your idea, add any diagrams that might be relevant, and include any formulas or computations you think are relevant, and post

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

2009-06-26 Thread John Berry
A few thoughts, btw I have not fully comprehended everything you've said yet but I'll have a crack at it... From the stationary view point a magnetic dipole would be created only if electron drift tended not to spiral. The magnetic field would be generated by the rotating protons .vs non spiraling

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

2009-06-26 Thread John Berry
a torque on the individual ball bearings? Ah, maybe that's what you mean? On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:51 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: A few thoughts, btw I have not fully comprehended everything you've said yet but I'll have a crack at it... From the stationary view point a magnetic

[Vo]:Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

2009-06-26 Thread John Berry
I don't think this can be considered political as no one votes for the UN or WHO and it's a health warning not a discussion or about political view points. Short version, Swine Flu is not especially deadly and compared to the numbers killed by regular flu it isn't a concern especially as large

Re: [Vo]:Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder

2009-06-26 Thread John Berry
, John Berry wrote: I don't think this can be considered political as no one votes for the UN or WHO and it's a health warning not a discussion or about political view points. Short version, Swine Flu is not especially deadly and compared to the numbers killed by regular flu it isn't a concern

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

2009-06-26 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 1:14 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: From the stationary view point a magnetic dipole would be created only if electron drift tended not to spiral. Then a simple spiral-shaped coil would not produce a magnetic

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

2009-06-26 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 1:25 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: After re-reading I still fail to understand your contact point thought, but is it merely to produce a magnetic field in the shaft? A Faraday motor has a radial current in a disk

Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology

2009-06-25 Thread John Berry
amounts of effort and genius and risk do so for things that are kinda pointless like sports or climbing a mountain. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: John Berry wrote: Is it 20 v or 20v? 20 V (capital V). Alexander Hollins wrote: seriously, did

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
Again I didn't conceal or lie by omission. I said from the start that there is more and there was. My reasons for not giving it all at the start makes sense and was given. Also no results were distorted you must have misunderstood me. Rather a means for the electrons to do what was claimed was

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
I am going to make a more complete reply, but if the only things that existed were things I had done then this world would be a lot smaller than it is and many things people take foregranted would not exist. But assuming I did do all of those things where would we be? Still no where as there are 6

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
1: Teslas Radiant Receiver I did not pick up on the fact that it was a positive charge that the plate collected, the Barbat patent suggested otherwise and it seems I didn't notice. Never the less he does specify that a capacitor with unusually high quality must be used. Of course this does not

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
capacitor links To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 3:28 PM On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: If something interests you, then test it. Don't worry Bill, me and John have been swapping ideas on the Hiddink thing. I'm gonna rig up some tests tonight. Have some

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:25 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: By finding a strong thread of correlation however can confirm even the most spotty evidence. Here's the critical question. Which experiments have you personally performed

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
One day I bet you'll be a hundredaire! On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.comwrote: Finally we can buy GALINSTAN gallium-based liquid metal from scitoys.com) I'd buy some, but I am a multi-dollar industry. --Kyle

Re: [Vo]:Need assistance with math terminology

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
Is it 20 v or 20v? Anyway yeah the spurious resolution thing is annoying. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: While you folks are doing experiments in your kitchen, I am translating a paper from Japanese in my office. From each according to his abilities

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
if some like to experiment or also connect the dots and they tend to see things the way I do then I consider that a reasonable bet especially when there is IMO a mountain of evidence. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: One day I bet you'll be a hundredaire! On Thu

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
Be careful, they are more dangerous than neon sign transformers for instance, you probably know that but... That's a lot of HV diodes! I appreciate your expectation that nothing will happen, it is better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Kyle

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-24 Thread John Berry
I don't think this post is squarely directed at me or accusing me of such but as it could be interpreted as an accusation I have replied as if it were... On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:40 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Colin Quinney wrote: I calculated that in an

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
at 7:27 PM, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.comwrote: Refs please. Michel 2009/6/23 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com: Given the evidence that both of these effects exist, both the electron being ejected and arcs creating excess energy...

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
no scientific value of course, you can claim any impossible thing and get a patent for it. Michel 2009/6/23 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com: The former will take more time, but the latter have already been given. Stiffler replication | variant JLN Patent replication | variant Edwin Gray

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
/achieved is a very effective way of closing of science from any progress it does not wish to see made. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:21 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: No, you make a mistake. You have followed the line of thought that some forms of evidence have value and others don't

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
an energy balance correctly, plus they refuse to engage in a scientific debate. They are either badly deluded amateurs, or crooks, but you would have to be a scientist yourself to appreciate this. Michel 2009/6/23 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com Let me have another crack at that, I rushed

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: No it is not, there is plenty of evidence that it is not EM as an EM pulse can't become a static charge. A mixture of GHz e-field and ion cloud would mimic an anomalous radiation which can charge a surface. I suggest

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
2009, John Berry wrote: I considered that and more but IMO that moves from the realm of probability to debunking.. Debunking is totally different than criticism. Debunkers try to stop thought, stop experiments, and say we should drop this topic because of X. Critics on the other hand say

Re: STIFFLER WARNING Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
not like the guy makes everything up. Yes, something did seem a bit odd about the self powered version I agree with you there. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:25 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: in the general region as both Hiddink claimed

Re: [Vo]:Biggest fusion bomb in history

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
I could be wrong but I think everyone here would be well aware of the relative comparison? Thinking that pipes would needed to deliver the water would not be a mistake made by most of the people who can find the US on a map I think. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Biggest fusion bomb in history

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: John Berry wrote: Thinking that pipes would needed to deliver the water would not be a mistake made by most of the people who can find the US on a map I think. I do not understand this statement. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
outright reject it without consideration. If anyone is unclear how the various different devices all show the same magnetic and current condition I will happily make an image that shows all of them. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:09 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: That is fine then, as long

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-23 Thread John Berry
Slowly dying should not be expected to generate the effect. The capacitance apparently increasing on the death of the plasma is curious. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: Kyle,

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-22 Thread John Berry
this makes sense, John's something decidedly more instant which can easily make it through insulators is most probably a plasma turnoff generated EM pulse. Michel 2009/6/22 William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: That was my initial objection also, I believe

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-22 Thread John Berry
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:06 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: That was my initial objection also, I believe that *can* happen. I also know that sometimes when a plasma is turned off the charges (electrons anyway) can be propelled

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-22 Thread John Berry
I considered that and more but IMO that moves from the realm of probability to debunking.. Given the evidence that both of these effects exist, both the electron being ejected and arcs creating excess energy it would seem to me that something should not be ruled out simply because some improbable

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-22 Thread John Berry
Indeed not much, but there is no reason to believe that it should be insufficient as we know the capacitance wasn't going to be very high, I have not yet established if it is less than might be expected however. Well Ok let's charge the cap with a few KV and then see if this emission of electrons

Re: [Vo]:Hiddink capacitor links

2009-06-21 Thread John Berry
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:45 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Michel Jullian wrote: Assuming for a moment the plasma was actually holding excess electrons, why wouldn't they just fly to the inside of the glass envelope, which is of course positively charged,

[Vo]:Energy generating variable capacitor

2009-06-21 Thread John Berry
Reposted and revised version of the introduction to this idea for those who missed it. I like to make correlations to pick threads of truth out of the noise. I believe I have found one that IMO seems to give an almost complete and certain engineerable Free Energy effect, I believe that unlike

Re: [Vo]:A bit more, from Hiddink...

2009-06-21 Thread John Berry
It's not so much seeing a reason for it to occur as i tend not to either as much as there is evidence that it DOES in fact occur when the conditions are met. On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:08:15 +0200: Hi,

Re: [Vo]:A bit more, from Hiddink...

2009-06-20 Thread John Berry
that is the only objection I find at all of interest. 2009/6/20 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com Note: I replied to this initially believing I was replying to a list I joined for the Gray conversion tube, so it's slanted in that direction. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Michel Jullian michelj

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-20 Thread John Berry
hmmm, that seems reasonable. I wonder if a metal-metal version would have a similar capacitance? I might get a multimeter, play with some foil and wire and try to see if that capacitance is any below the metal-metal version. At any rate that it has capacitance is good and means that IMO it's

Re: [Vo]:vortex, Bortex, cortex

2009-06-19 Thread John Berry
Great sounding solution, yeah I don't read most either. Hell, is it just me or are people less likely to respond to a personal email these days? I have both sent them off with no reply and been guilty of not replying in a timely manner and possibly forgetting to do so myself a few times. There

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-19 Thread John Berry
the arc which can be done with an autoignotion coil, wait, didn't you already suggest something like that? But is 12v enough to keep it open? Or is it too much? hmmm On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: More links... JLN Patent http://www.google.com/patents?q=10

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-19 Thread John Berry
No, for that you need armchair types. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: The garage researcher can get into the act anytime. In fact, most of us at the margins of the professional community, as you say, were garage men initially. My only point was that

Re: [Vo]:A bit more, from Hiddink...

2009-06-19 Thread John Berry
of a capacitor apart. Indeed, but the work in this case is provided for by the collapsing plasma which appears to be a free effect that we don't need to pay for. Michel 2009/6/16 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com The invention is based on Faraday's problem: Two concentric metal spheres do

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:12 PM, John Berry wrote: Well you could have just said true. That would be nonsense since I strongly disagree with you on almost every point you make. I think you misunderstand me. After

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: John Berry wrote: I do not think a skilled amateur or professional can contribute anything to cold fusion without access to a fully equipped profession grade laboratory and hundreds of thousands of dollars

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* John Berry Jones, have you read my variable capacitor post, subject: On Topic in any detail? If so can I have your opinion on it? I think it was you that actually identified the patent co-invented by JLN? Cannot comment on that now due to a contractual agreement

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Well Frank, such ideas have value only when they show why and how most observed behaviors occur and how to make the behavior occur more consistently and at higher levels. All theories I know about met only a small

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:29 PM V, and John Berry in particular, Figured I should make a more aptly titled thread for this, as Enough Already doesn't make much sense in light of what we're talking about. :) Yep had to look at that before reply. I have all

Re: [Vo]:Plasma capacitor

2009-06-18 Thread John Berry
]:Plasma capacitor To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:29 PM V, and John Berry in particular, Figured I should make a more aptly titled thread for this, as Enough Already doesn't make much sense in light of what we're talking about. :) Yep had to look

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
The alternate list however would not kill the current Vortex, Ok I'd go since I don't care for 99% but no one will miss me as I have tended to lurk 99% of the time. THIS vortex will stay the same as it is essentially free of such content anyway and this content will get a chance to perhaps grow,

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:03 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I think you will find that there is a voltage rise, but not an energy increase. The reason for the voltage rise is that the capacitance is suddenly reduced, while the charge remains more or less constant. Any energy increase would

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/6/17 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com: An additional thought. I believe that one issue would be that such an experiment might well become deficient of the charge that is applied to the plasma. Why should

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/6/17 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/17 John Berry aethe...@gmail.com: An additional thought. I believe that one

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Jun 17, 2009, at 12:28 AM, John Berry wrote: The alternate list however would not kill the current Vortex, Ok I'd go since I don't care for 99% but no one will miss me as I have tended to lurk 99% of the time

Re: [Vo]:Do it backwards: added 1997-style, science-based Vortex

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
, at 12:24 PM, John Berry wrote: Just what *is* a viable standard? To what degree should content be valued over courtesy? Just how anal do we have to become? You are the only one being anal about it so far... The term *anal-retentive* (or *anally retentive*, *anal retentive

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* John Berry ... on the contrary, this is probably the only board on the net (one of the few, anyway), where there are enough open-minded scientists and serious thinkers to give these subjects a measure of due

Re: [Vo]:Fringe

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: John Berry (he who signs not his name) wrote: Cold Fusion is somewhat fringe, but as much respect as I have for Jed's dedication I can not imagine either in a technological nor political-business-economic way

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-17 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Tue, 6/16/09, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, though Gray has air and hence no inner tube between the plasma and the metal terminal. What is he using as plasma? Corona? No, A channel

[Vo]:A bit more, from Hiddink...

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
The invention is based on Faraday's problem: Two concentric metal spheres do not touch and form a capcitor C. That one is charged up to a potential V. Then the outside sphere is removed. The remaining sphere is a 1-terminal Capacitor c. The potential on that sphere is momentarily C/c x V. It is

Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
3 lists, that would just be unmanageable.Better is a rule of thumb, politics should be allowed as long as it is strictly on topic politics that isn't causing a problem, otherwise as with any other off topic subject it ought to go to B. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:42 AM, OrionWorks

Re: [Vo]:Discussion/Debate: Creating [VoT] to handle OT discussions.

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
3 lists, that would just be unmanageable.Better is a rule of thumb, politics should be allowed as long as it is strictly on topic politics that isn't causing a problem, otherwise as with any other off topic subject it ought to go to B. Not to mention the cost of running an extra list to Bill.

Re: [Vo]:Discussion/Debate: Creating [VoT] to handle OT discussions.

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
AGREED! On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:14 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: *Sorry, you are absolutely right. I suggest this is the way the list can be handled without Bill having to get involved at all.* Ed On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Alexander Hollins wrote: And at this

Re: [Vo]:Discussion/Debate: Creating [VoT] to handle OT discussions.

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
Good idea Ed. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: I suggest a public discussion stops when anyone objects. Following the objection, anyone who wishes to continue the discussion privately can make their wish known publicly. These people would be put on the

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
Hopefully though it is the end of this whole affair as it is about finding a resolution. It is still interesting how many are putting their energies into that. I am afraid my specifically On Topic thread looks like it will die due to inattention, version 1.0 died over at Overunity.com due to lack

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
beliefs but you aren't being asked to only believe Hiddink. I am happy to explain anything you may not get, though the idea is very simple. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote: -- *From:* John Berry [mailto:aethe...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Enough Already

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote: I am afraid my specifically On Topic thread looks like it will die due to inattention, version 1.0 died over at Overunity.com due to lack of general interest. I think it got some attention. We just don’t know what to make

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