Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

[David Risch via CnC-List]

That must have been a hefty $premium$ over the base boat to build that…

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 9:52 AM
To: 'Stus-List' ; 'John Christopher' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

The LF 39 has the prop way ahead of the rudder and the toerail is totally 
different.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 9:36 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>; John 
Christopher mailto:phygi...@gmail.com>>
Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 custom pilothouse

John, take a look and the Landfall 39..(not the38)...

Richard

19085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 09:20:17 AM EDT, John Christopher 
mailto:phygi...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The specs state the LWL is 29.83 feet at  and the 40-2 is 31.50. The landfall 
38 has a LWL of 30.17.

The description says; They started with the hull from a C 40, arguably one of 
their best performing hulls, and modified it to have a more traditional 
cruising stern. They took the bow and cockpit sections from the Landfall 38 
series and put a pilothouse, fashioned after the Landfall 48, over the salon. 
The result was a unique, stiff and fast cruiser with an amazing amount of 
living space for a very demanding cruising couple

/John

On May 31, 2024, at 8:47 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

This looks more like a Landfall 39 than an altered 40; check out the spec 
and photos on the photo album...

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 03:57:49 PM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



I think I posted about this before:

1983 C 40 Custom Pilothouse Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld

www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1983-c$c-40-custom-pilothouse-9302868/



This has to be one of the most unusual C ever. I am 50/50 on if it is great 
or a hot mess.

Has anyone ever seen this boat?

Two things come to mind that might be negatives, can you see over the 
pilothouse or do you look through it?

Second, thinking about being healed way over in 20 foot seas and coming down 
the companionway ladder on a port tack, that could be challenge and then some. 
Maybe that isn’t a thing on Lake Ontario?

OTOH don’t rig it and you have on hell of a Great Loop boat!





Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I
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Stus-List Re: C 40 Review

[David Risch via CnC-List]

We did have fun.

My boys are still using Corsair on occasion.   But keeping it to sail twice a 
year is a bit nuts.

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 1:41 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 Review

David,
We had many of good battles with Corsair when I sailed on Zoomer, another great 
C 40.  I miss those days.  Looking back, it was 15 years since we did our 
last Vineyard Round the Island race on Zoomer.  Someone told me she’s now in 
Newport RI but never confirmed..
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram,MA
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On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:25 AM, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

That is Corsair.  Now located on Long Island and is for sale.

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:16 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List C 40 Review

Nice Review in Practical Sailor on the C 40

https://www.practical-sailor.com/sailboat-reviews/cc-40-still-turning-heads?MailingID=1633=GB20240426-FixItAndSail=email_source=ActiveCampaign_medium=email_content=C%26C%2040%20Used%20Boat%20Review_campaign=GB20240426-FixItAndSail


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Stus-List Re: C 40 Review

[David Risch via CnC-List]

That is Corsair.  Now located on Long Island and is for sale.

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:16 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List C 40 Review

Nice Review in Practical Sailor on the C 40

https://www.practical-sailor.com/sailboat-reviews/cc-40-still-turning-heads?MailingID=1633=GB20240426-FixItAndSail=email_source=ActiveCampaign_medium=email_content=C%26C%2040%20Used%20Boat%20Review_campaign=GB20240426-FixItAndSail


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Stus-List Re: Fridge insulation

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I did that with spray in foam on my 1981 40’.  There seemed to be very little 
insulation.   I was very careful to spray and wait until it settled.  That 
stuff can exert some tremendous pressures and crack things…

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 3:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Fridge insulation

Hi All.
Does anyone know it the icebox/refrigerator compartment on the LF39 is 
insulated. I noticed today that my freezer plates are not freezing like they 
used to. I added some Freon about a month ago, working great. I'm thinking 
after 20+ years it is time for a new unit.
Before installing a new unit, keel cooled this time, I want to insulate the box 
first. I'm thinking of using a pour in expanding foam. My carpentry skills are 
severely lacking.


Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

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Stus-List Re: Yanmar Parts ?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I used Niemiec in New Bedford, MA.  Knowledgeable and prices seemed fine.

From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:45 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Yanmar Parts ?

I just tried their website. No luck. I ordered an oil cooler from Scott Marine 
Power. They're in Florida. Price seemed ok. Shipping was high, but I think it 
was my fault.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 09:28 nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I have ordered Yanmar parts from "marine diesel direct" for years as they had a 
good website that made finding the correct part fairly straight forward and 
they seemed to have good prices.  But I have not been able to connect with 
their website today, using multiple electronics.  They still show up in web 
searches, but no joy on connecting with the website.  Anybody else use them and 
/ or know what happened to them?

More importantly, where are people getting Yanmar parts?  My local dealer is 
typically 30% or more higher which even after shipping charges makes online a 
better deal.  Am in CT and currently having the first real snow fall in 
years...  5" and counting.

Thanks,
Brian


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Stus-List Re: Navtec hydraulic backstay - amateur rebuild

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Very cool write-up and project.  Thanks for sharing.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 3:44 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Navtec hydraulic backstay - amateur rebuild

A fellow boater had a Navtec integral hydraulic backstay adjuster that blew the 
top seal.  As many of you know, this is probably the most common failure for 
these.  Exposure to UV and the elements deteriorates the rod wiper at the top 
of the cylinder and it's downhill from there.  (I recommend a 1/2 washer on top 
of the cylinder.)

This list has been down this road many times.  There's always a discussion 
whether to take the thing to a local hydraulic shop or let Lew Townsend in 
Seattle rebuild it.  For the record, I sent Touche's adjuster to Lew a couple 
years ago and am a satisfied Lew client.

So I called Lew and chatted with him about this "orphan" adjuster.  He asked 
some critical questions.  Was I going to keep it as a spare?  Was I going to 
try to auction it?  He commented that neither option was particularly 
economical.  H.  Then we talked about snow skiing.  We're both avid skiers.

After some thought, I tended to agree with Lew.  Including shipping, a rebuild 
would be north of $400-500.  An expensive gamble to have it sit on eBay for 
weeks like others I've seen.

So I decided to give the rebuild a shot myself.  The Navtec seal kit, IF you 
can find one, is about $200.  Philosophically, it's not much more than a manual 
hydraulic jack that compresses rather than lifts.  Internet research turned up 
a set of rebuild instructions.  See here:

https://www.plaisance-pratique.com/IMG/pdf/navtec_hydraulik_service_manual.pdf

Armed with instructions and a pair of calipers, off I went.  Disassembly of the 
cylinder was fairly straightforward.  I found several equivalent seals at 
mcmaster.com.  For those who are really interested, parts 
below are referenced on Page 8.

Part  Qty   Navtec Mcmaster  Price
31  2HJ-2-215   9452K36$12.08   (Needed 2.  Had to buy 100)
35  1HI-005   9505K39 $4.83
36  1HN-002 9403K55  $2.30

Jug of Fram Hydraulic Jack Oil AW32.  $10

Reassembly went well.  I strapped it between two trees in my backyard and 
pressured it up.  I noticed the thing was leaking from the pump piston.  Okay, 
I pulled the pump handle and piston.  The piston rod seal disintegrated when I 
removed it.  Turned out this is a generic U seal with o-ring 1/4x1/2x1/4.  
Internet search on the Navtec number turned up numerous suppliers.  I bought it 
from Crescent Hydraulics in south Florida.

Part  Qty   Navtec   CrescentPrice
39  112500250-250B   P125-00,250-250B   $4.05

It's now back between the trees pressured up to 500-700.  Hard to tell because 
the gauge lens is very crazed.  But it seems to be holding.  I'll know for sure 
in a couple days.

Granted, I did not get into the actual pump assembly and all the check valves, 
etc.  The cylinder walls, rods, etc. seemed to be in excellent condition so no 
polishing was necessary.

So far I'm in it for less than $50.

I want to replace the pressure gauge.  I can't find a generic one that is 
equivalent.  It needs to be a certain shape for the gauge cover to fit it.  It 
looks like a gauge off a fire extinguisher.  Oh. well.  A challenge for later.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Now just C shirts

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Our first boat was a very little Venture 21 and we looked up to C & C as the 
Cadillac of boats. No shirt though…

From: Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 9:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Karl Erickson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C Racing Shirt - Now just C shirts

Love the rugby.
I remember in the late 70’s my family was in Little Current sailing our little 
Venture 25 and there was a C dealer there that had C rugbys. I bought one 
and loved that shirt.
Karl Erickson


On Jan 4, 2024, at 6:39 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I stay away from just slapping the C logo on anything.  I’m trying to 
reproduce actual C promotional items

Here is the Rugby shirts I plan to reproduce

Shop
ghcarchives.com




JohnKelly Cuthbertson

www.ghcarchives.com
www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
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Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Richard…I am sure a competent machine shop can replicate?

From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 9:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: virb...@cogeco.ca; Matthew Wolford 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

I suggest starting there.  If Rob doesn’t have one, he may be able to suggest 
an alternate source.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 9, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Barry McKee via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Yes they are.

Barry McKee

C 29 “Discovery II”
Bronte, ON

From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: 9-Dec-23 8:24 AM
To: Richard Bush
Cc: Stus-List; Matthew Wolford
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37 Rudder post assembly

Is South Shore Yachts still in business?

Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 8, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Richard Bush 
mailto:bushma...@aol.com>> wrote:

Hi all; Bill is the winner for long distance diagnosing...; there is  a chrome 
"collar" or "nut' which is threaded and the the top of the rudder post which is 
also threaded; the collar is tightened down over the rudder post and sits on a 
delrin "washer" which is about 1/8 inch thick. There are two set screws in the 
collar to keep it tight n the rudder post.  The rudder pivots on this assembly 
when steering the boat.

In my case, these set screws apparently loosened up to allow the collar to 
loosen which caused play in the rudder post. The result was to strip the 
threads on the collar allowing the rudder to drop.  The fix is to get a new 
collar, which I hope someone here can help my in identifying; there are no 
markings or part numbers on the collar. Of course, I have lots of photos.

For a quick fix, we were able to invert the collar and use the remaining 
threads ( about 1/2" to 5/8") to hold the rudder in place. I am confident that 
this will work until I can identify and order the new collar.

So it seems I have been lucky and my situation fits under Mike Hoyt's "good 
case" scenario rather than the whole assembly failing, which is the "bad case" 
scenario.   I feel a lot better than I did 24 hours ago, but will report back 
on progress.  I would have thought the C used the same assembly for all of 
the rudders regardless of the model of the boat, but maybe not...;

If anyone ha any experience or suggestions in locating the "collar, please send 
them on...Thank you to everyone!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 03:37:58 PM EST, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I thought there was a nut on the top of the post. If so, it may have come off 
and it slipped down till the quadrant hit the hull. Obviously you are going to 
have to go down an look, and all things shall be revealed unto you

Bill Coleman
Erie PA


On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 3:15 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi all; I am in need the collective wisdom of the group for a rudder issue; my 
boat (1985 C 37 CB) has been sitting on a trailer since early September for 
repairs to the hull, not rudder related; sometime in the past week the rudder 
has dropped a full two plus inches and no one knows how this happened; the hull 
 has been painted and the painters said they moved the rudder by moving the 
steering wheel and had no issues;  does anyone have any ideas or suggests about 
what could have occurred? and more importantly, what needs to be done to make 
the rudder usable?


We were hoping to relaunch in the next week or so...I'll be happy to provide 
more information if anyone has questions...Thanks!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River...


Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255
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Stus-List Re: Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders for backstay

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Just go to a local hydraulic shop.  Sorry as a Navtech “technician” ripped me 
off for two “re-builds” in two years at $500 an incompetent rebuild.  
Construction guys don’t tolerate that crap.   $100 once and done.   It is just 
a pump.

From: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 2:12 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders for 
backstay

I also like Lew, whom I contacted based on recommendations from this list.  
That said, he’s not from NJ (far from it), and shipping cost almost as much as 
the work.  Also, the rebuild work I had done was prophylactic, and my unit now 
has a very minor leak that it didn’t have before.  I’m sure he’d fix it if I 
sent it back. Bottom line: as much as I like Lew, I suggest finding someone 
local.
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 17, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Second Lew Townsend.  He rebuilt mine after another Navtec rebuilder botched 
it.  Excellent to work with.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 8:55 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Lew Townsend did all my Navtec hydraulic repairs. Don't know whether he does 
Sailtec, but you can call him at (206) 498-7282. He does quality work. Others 
on the list have also used him.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 6:36 AM Allen Miles via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Good morning All,

Septima has moved from Hampton Roads, VA to Bayville, NJ. Upon arrival we 
noticed that the hydraulic cylinders for the backstay were leaking. Does anyone 
have recommendations on a reputable service to rebuild them in the NJ area?

They are Sailtec branded. However, the marina we are in refuses to do business 
with them based on previous bad experiences. Love to support local businesses 
but also want a quality job. Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks and have a great weekend,

Allen Miles
30 Mk II, Septima
Bayville, NJ
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Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Wow...mucho emails about winch servicing.   Almost as popular as what anchor is 
best?


From: cenelson--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:13 PM
To: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C

You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease, 
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.

Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease 
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as 
new. There are Lewmar assembly diagrams on-line but if you are careful not to 
lose any parts AND take one winch apart at a time so the other is there for a 
guide, and you should be fine. Its one of those dirty jobs but simple enough to 
do. Once you have done one, the next is much faster plus you don't need any 
special tools.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 07:20:44 PM EDT, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Mike and others who have provided valuable input,

This information on electric is very useful.  I wasn't intending to purchase 
electric in any case due to cost.

I went to boat this afternoon.  Ashamed to say I did not even know what size 
the existing winches are.  They are Lewmar/England 42ST, likely original to 
boat, therefore 42 years old.  From what I am hearing from everyone, a Lewmar 
42ST should be adequate for a C  But man, even in 12 knts wind it takes 
the full strength of two crew to get the last 2 feet in.  I was sensing that 
the winch handle was about to break.

After reading more this afternoon, I am sure the winches are way past due for 
servicing.  Lewmar recommends 2 to 3 times a season!  This may be part, if not 
all, of the problem.  I suspect the winches were disassembled and greased about 
10 to 12 years ago. Before that, who knows.

Is a set of 42 year old winches worth disassembling, cleaning, greasing, and 
reassembling?  Will this result in a significant improvement?  What parts of 
the winch typically need to be replaced and can those Lewmar parts be obtained 
for such an old winch?

Thanks again for all the very helpful advice on winch sizes.

Jeff Laman
1981 C Harmony
Ludington, MI


From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:43 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Electric Winches - Winch Size for C


Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.  
There were no secondaries.  For cruising ease the primaries had been located 
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original 
primaries were faired and painted over.  The second set of manual Lewmar 43ST 
winches were mounted on the cabin top for use as halyard winches.  THIS WAS WAY 
OVERKILL!



ST43 as halyard winches way larger than necessary.  Jib trimmers facing 
backward to trim genoa was awkward to say the least.  So we moved the cabin top 
Lewmar 43ST back to the original primary location and replaced cabin top 
halyard winches with Lewmar 30ST (Ocean series I believe)



This still left us with electric Lewmar 43 ST.  First of all an electric winch 
can be nasty.  An inexperienced trimmer can damage the headsail using one.  We 
always had the switches turned off and used as a manual winch.  Secondly these 
were AWFUL to maintain.  To service the winches the motor has to be dropped 
from beneath before the drums can come off to clean and lubricate the gears, 
pawls, etc ...  Due to this and due to the lack of accessibility from beneath 
to do this these winches were rarely serviced and never properly.  When running 
the spinnaker on these secondaries they were stiff and made spin handling more 
problematic than it should be (due to the lack of east servicing).



In the end we traded these to someone with a pilothouse 44 foot boat for a set 
of new Lewmar 40 ST that are far superior for our purposes.  On top of the ease 
of servicing and better sizing for the boat removing the motors took away a LOT 
of unnecessary weight



Just a story I thought I would share



We are very happy with all of our Lewmar winches BTW



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:23 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winch Size for C



Some other thoughts: For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have 
BOGO days on winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain. 
Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good things 
about

Some other thoughts:



For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on winches 
during the year which could help reduce 

Stus-List Re: No Traffic

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Your lucky you fit under the wires.  At 7'6" draft I can go very few places via 
road.

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 4:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: No Traffic

OK I have some information; we hauled the boat for repairs to the hull from 
damages received in March; we had to take the boat through urban; it was quite 
an experience; we had a motorcade of four vehicles; a lead truck, the boat and 
two chase vehicles; I've attached a photo, if it comes through; an unusual 
experience for us!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Richard...does the thunp go away when the board I fully down?

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 11:14 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or 
replacement

Joe, thanks; this is a new development, we haven't had this "thump" noise 
before... we did run a line but weren't able to get a result we were sure of: I 
wasn't able to do a dive on the keel, but plan to do that as soon as I can; 
thanks!

Richard
1085 C 37 CB: Ohio River, MIlr 584;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:48:22 AM EDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Do you suspect the centerboard is actually down?

Even in murky water, it seems like a 20 second dive would give you the answer, 
unless the murk is caused by something nasty you don't want to swim in. You 
could always run a line from one side of the boat to the other and walk aft and 
see if you can tell if the board is hanging down.

Assuming it goes up and down as usual, the thunk would be side to side movement 
that the cable cannot change. Some boats just do this, I have heard of people 
swimming down and stuffing a sponge or two in the slot to get a quite night's 
sleep.

Joe

Coquina



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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 4:09 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Centerboard cable diagnostics or replacement



Hi all; I have a 1985 C 37 with a centerboard; with the boat tied at the dock 
(we are at a fixed dock on a river) we notice a thunk sound that seems to be 
centerboard moving side-to-side when there was wave action; however, the 
centerboard cable remains tight and in its usual position (the centerboard is 
normally on the  "up" position, with the cable connected to a rope line which 
is on a cabin top winch. The line was replaced with new line last winter and is 
in good condition).  We were not able to see the bottom of the keel because the 
river water is too murky.



Does anyone have any suggestions or information about replacing the centerboard 
cable; can this be done in the water with a diver? Any other ideas welcome, 
thank you.





Richard

1985 C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.



Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255









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Stus-List Re: Insurance for larger boat - 15 foot increase maximum?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

When we went to the Dark Side my 40 to 49’ was  not questioned.  But reading on 
Trawler Forum, the 10’ increments are a thing.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:49 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance for larger boat - 15 foot increase maximum?

Still haven't gotten any more information on this.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 2:19 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This is strange.  I was chatting with a friend who is looking for a larger boat 
(power).  He said a couple of insurance representatives and a knowledgeable 
broker told him he could not get insurance for a boat more than 15 feet longer 
than his existing boat unless he has a master's license.  Anybody else heard 
that?

Can't seem to find an answer on the internet.  And how does one buy a first 
boat if it's long?

He's okay because he is only moving from 23 feet to 37 feet.  He has taken the 
Power Squadron course and said that didn't matter.

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Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

[David Risch via CnC-List]

If you re-powered, or just have a good running engine, and did not thoroughly 
clean the tank and tank pick-up.   Your playing Russian roulette.   Especially 
in  rough weather when all that gunk gets stirred up.

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2023 9:42 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung ; Korbey Hunt 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

I have a 1980 34 C located in Ketchikan, AK.  I only use it in the summer.  
It has a new Yanmar 30 hp engine with 300 hrs.  Last year when returning from a 
long cruise at good speed and running well for many hours the engine suddenly 
slowed and died.  We were in a channel and began drifting towards the beach.  
After a few minutes I restarted the motor and it ran fine.  I suspect a fuel 
problem but never found the cause.  I changed the engine filter but it did not 
look dirty.

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:24:48 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
mailto:martin.deyo...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine strangeness

Transitory engine issues can create drama quickly.  Back in 1992 we had just 
taken possession of a 1981 C 36 and departed Seattle's Lake Union heading out 
to our saltwater moorage at Shilshole Bay Marina. This trip takes us west 
through the Lake Washington Ship Canal, under the Fremont and Ballard Bridges 
(needed to open them), and through the Ballard locks. The Ship Canal is narrow 
enough that it is rare to sail through it. It was also calm that day.  The 
engine ran just fine through the transit to and into the locks (approx. first 
hour of ownership). It is common to shut down the engine while locking through 
as it can take enough time to expose a few people to the exhaust fumes.

So, the lock gates open, the C 36's Yanmar 3-cylinder diesel fires up and 
aided by the outgoing current we departed the lock. Now it worth noting there 
is an opening single leafed Bascule train bridge with a clearance of +-48' at 
that moment's tide height a short distance west of the lock. Our 36's air draft 
was a little over 50'.
Given how the gods watching over errant sailors enjoy a good laugh from time to 
time the engine chooses that moment to shut down. It shut down in that way that 
indicates a restart is unlikely. The train bridge is also down. The current 
coming out of the locks is relentlessly pushing us towards the closed bridge. I 
am suddenly very concerned for the top few feet of the mast.

I immediately sounded the signal asking for an opening. I asked the boat's new 
co-owner to make ready to anchor.  I hit the starter to see if the engine would 
restart. It sputtered and died again.  I sounded for an opening again. Nothing 
promising was happening up on the bow in way of an anchor being deployed. I 
attempted another restart this time with the reduction gear in reverse to make 
use of any rotation of the prop.  I get maybe 15 to 20 seconds of run time 
which slowed our progress slightly. The bridge operator made the horn signal 
indicating he was able to open the bridge, no trains were in route.  I headed 
for the side of the bridge that opens first and hit the starter again hoping 
for another few seconds of reverse.

Fortunately, the bridge opened just enough and our path close to the opening 
end of the bridge equaled just enough clearance the mast remained intact, and 
we avoided an embarrassing episode where we would have needed to "strike the 
burgee", obscure the boat's name, and wear bags over our heads to avoid being 
identified.

The cause of all this entertainment was debris in the fuel tank blocking the 
fuel pick-up.  We hired a fuel tank cleaner/polisher who cut a inspection port 
removed the debris, cleaned the tank, polished the fuel and voila, no more fuel 
pick up issues.

Fast forward to 1999 and I am motoring our recently acquired C 43 along the 
same route.  When the truck from Chicago arrived, we had her unloaded at a Lake 
Union boat yard.  After 3 months of repair and upgrade work the boat was ready 
to leave but the mast was still in the paint shed so we motored off without a 
mast.  Didn't need to open any bridges and was relaxed about restarting in the 
locks and heading west. (The anchoring gear was ready to go this time.)  When 
we got to our Shilshole Bay Marina slip I contacted the fuel cleaning guy and 
had the tank thoroughly cleaned and the fuel polished to be ready for my next 
trip with the mast up and its 70' air draft.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

Greta
1956 Matthews 42
Port Ludlow

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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 12:47 PM
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Subject: 

Stus-List Re: Bilge Pump Intake Hose

[David Risch via CnC-List]

FYI...any resistance, whether head (rise) of discharge or corrugation of inner 
will increase friction and thereby reduce the outflow and the  capacity of the 
pump.   Smooth walled hoses for discharge are recommended.

From: Todd Williams via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 2:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Todd Williams 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge Pump Intake Hose

Brian,

Are you referring to the hose for the manual bilge pump "Gusher" that is in the 
cockpit?

On my 1980 C the electric bilge pump outlet hose (3/4") runs through the 
cabinetry in the head to the outlet just below the toe rail. The manual bilge 
pump outlet hose (1.5") runs under the engine and loops up to the Gusher in the 
cockpit on the starboard side.

I replaced my manual bilge pump hose this spring. The previous owner had used 
sanitary waste line, which was really stiff and had cracked. I just used 
corrugated sump pump drainage hose from a hardware store.

I am happy to send photos if that helps.

TODD
Indigo Out We Go

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:59 PM Trevor Parry via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Brian,

Before doing that have you tried cleaning the outlet of any potential debris or 
blockage? Mine did the same thing before I launched this year and I managed to 
clear it out with a wire after a few jabs then it worked fine.

Regards

Trevor



On Wed, Jun 7, 2023, 5:00 p.m. Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello Mates,

Can anyone tell me the specific type of hose used for the intake on a bilge 
pump? The pump in my CnC34 stopped pumping out. I checked the suction on the 
pump by temporarily disconnecting the existing hose and attaching a temporary. 
I put it in a bucket of water and the pump worked fine. I followed the hose in 
the bilge as far back as I could see but cannot see where it goes under the 
floor through the companionway. I'm not sure if it is actually two hoses that 
connect and the connection has come loose or if it's one long hose that has 
been compromised. I plan to just run another hose. Any suggestions on the best 
hose to use?

Thanks
Brian C. Morrison
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Stus-List Re: General guidance for parting out lots of stuff:

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Ron,

My son could use some of that hardware.  Please let me know when you have the 
list compiled.  I am in JAX.

From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 4:45 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: General guidance for parting out lots of stuff:

So, Group…I’ve already replied to Pete’s request for help. But that made me 
think about my own situation………I own a 1977 C MKIIC…….I have continually 
upgraded it and for the past 10 years, we’ve been racing it with a crew that 
I’ve been with for over 30 years.  Yes, we’re all getting older, but in the 
process, I’ve removed a bunch of gear.  Things like all of the original 
winches, the baby stay and gear, a couple of sets of Garhauer genoa cars, and 
lots of hardware like 2 brand new Garhauer turning blocks from a C 115?
What does the group suggest for a way to list this stuff?  I’d like to keep it 
inside the C list, and while I’m in Sarasota until late May, I could be 
assembling the list by then.  Obviously, some stuff is going to be free……like 
the winches if you pay to ship them, and lots of smaller hardware just needs to 
go to a good home (boat).

Ron Casciato
IMPROMPTU
C 38MKIIC…’77
Hull # 125.

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:20 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Jam Cleat

I’m looking for a source on a couple jam cleats similar to what came on our 
80’s vintage C 37.

Initial online review has come up short and hoping someone can help me out.

Thanks,
Pete
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Stus-List Re: Chandleries

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Retail store in Bristol is closed.

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 3:18 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chandleries

I seem to recall Jamestown closed their store and are now 100% on line only??? 
If so not sure impact on service,  price etc.
John Read
Legacy III
Noank CT
1982 C 34

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 11:34 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Jamestown Distributors has always given me great service. I haven't compared 
their prices for a while but they were in line with other places or lower. They 
have their own brand called Total Boat, which is very good, unlike most West 
Marine brands.
Andy


Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:27 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Most people I talk to are disappointed at the direction Defender has been going 
after being purchased by a Hedge Fund, or whomever, and West has been pretty 
pricey since Randy Repass left years ago, and now that doesn't look too good -


 Rising Tide Holdings to SD, which means selective default. “We view the 
transaction as tantamount to a default because creditors will receive less 
value than originally promised, and we view the exchange as distressed,” S 
wrote.>>

I guess Rising Tides, dba West Marine, is ebbing.

Does anyone  have any favorites for Parts, like BOE Marine, Go2Marine, etc?  I 
can't find my bottom paint for less than $395 A Gallon. Even Fishermen's supply 
is not that great anymore.

Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie, PA
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Stus-List Re: Boatless again

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Danny,

I may be preaching to the choir here and you may have already thought of this 
but Oyster 47 handling vs. Tartan 40 handling is a different order of magnitude 
in close maneuvering.   Not the size per se, but the weight.  A thrusting bow 
may something to look for.

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 8:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again

I was lust looking at a local Oyster 47 listing.  I Really like how it looks!  
Ticks a lot of boxes!  If I can stay away from the newer flat bottoms, I would 
be really happy!  I got to keep the admiral happy though...  She did find a 
Trinella that looks really nice, it a Ron Holland design.  So, there is hope!

-- Original Message --
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Cc: Andrew Burton mailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Boatless again
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:00:40 -0500

Hi Danny,
I think an Oyster 47 might check those boxes. Good-sailing, we'll-built boat 
and very comfy. I made fairly quick passages to Antigua and back on one a few 
years ago.
If you need to be more performance-oriented, there's a sister to Masquerade 
(Baltic 47) around that I bet will be on the market some day in the not too 
distant future.
Cheers
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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Stus-List Re: Shower

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I have heard discharging shower grey water into bilge created a soapy/scummy 
mess in the bilge?



From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Shower

My 32 has the same set up...shower hose from the sink facet...sump with a teak 
gratesump pump under the sink for a separate discharge just below the toe 
rail opposite the head starboard side.

All woks fine but never use it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.
On 2023-02-15 1:59 p.m., Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote:
That was the set-up on the 42 Custom.  A shower hose was integral to the sink 
faucet.  On my boat, the shower head was attached to a wall rack for adjusting 
the height.  The floor is a teak grate with a very thin plastic catch pan 
underneath.  The pan drained to a “sump” pump with a separate discharge.  I 
removed everything but the drain pan, which now has a hose to drain to the 
bilge.  I’m in the process of installing a shower on deck for use after 
swimming.

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 12:38 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Shower drain


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Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

[David Risch via CnC-List]

The deck tangs.

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 4:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman ; David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

Hey David,
I missed something here.  Which idea was "not one of his best ideas"?

Chuck

On 02/06/2023 3:58 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Rob Ball explained that those S/S "deck tangs" were used in lieu of chemical 
bonding bulkheads to deck to provide some give when C & Cs were racing and run 
hard aground at speed.  Apparently when chemically bonded the inflexible boats 
would "crack".  He did say it was not one of his better ideas.  Leaks etc.

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:59 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman mailto:jlam...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

SS, not aluminum. The tabs as I recall are on both sides of the nav station 
bulkhead. It secures the bulkhead, and likely integrates the deck into the 
structure.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:55:05 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead


Thanks, Jeff

Can you tell me what the aluminum plates bolted to the half-bulkhead ahead of 
the nav station is? They seem visible from the settee looking aft.

Mack
On 1/31/2023 14:42, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List wrote:
Mack,
I also have an 81C Ditto what Nathan said regarding the SS tabs. No issues 
on my boat. Do check chain plates, however, all the way down to plywood knee 
behind settee. Also check around SS tabs at top of forward bulkheads. After 42 
years, there will have been leaks somewhere.
Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington Michigan

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:31:09 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

Hello Mack,
I have a 1981 C 34 and those outboard vertical plates on the bulkheads are 
stainless steel, not aluminum. I would be very skeptical if any of those 
components have been replaced with aluminum.  These components attach the deck 
to the bulkheads since to save cost (and allow the molded head liner) the 
bulkheads were not tabbed in to the deck. I haven't had leaks there on my boat 
at the point you describe (my genoa tracks seem well sealed).  However, the 
windows are hard to seal and might be leaking and so it is also possible that 
is where the water is coming from and then dripping down to the bulkhead (I 
would say that is in fact a likely source of water in that area). Of course 
also check that the bulkhead isn't rotted. The plates on top of the metal poles 
close to the main traveler also are a problematic leak point (for me on the 
starboard side a little water drips down the inside of that tube and ends up 
under the stove). I would agree that if the bulkhead is rotted beyond repair 
and needs to be replaced that might be a deal breaker.

Regardless you definitely want to check the whole deck for soft spots - around 
the head vent, chain plates and penetrations for the bulkhead attachments were 
the main problems on my boat (where I replaced the core in 2020 - see 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8W4AdgmKqKxARvsY7<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphotos.app.goo.gl%2F8W4AdgmKqKxARvsY7=05%7C01%7C%7C3a939098d24b4493ed8108db08869df5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638113146488152279%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=Uts2PEVSc1uChZBzdynPK2lyabpF%2B9DcTS5W943u0t4%3D=0>
 if you are curious about what I did).  All repairable but good to know what 
you are getting into as it is a big project (I also glasse

Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Rob Ball explained that those S/S "deck tangs" were used in lieu of chemical 
bonding bulkheads to deck to provide some give when C & Cs were racing and run 
hard aground at speed.  Apparently when chemically bonded the inflexible boats 
would "crack".  He did say it was not one of his better ideas.  Leaks etc.

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:59 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

SS, not aluminum. The tabs as I recall are on both sides of the nav station 
bulkhead. It secures the bulkhead, and likely integrates the deck into the 
structure.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead


Thanks, Jeff

Can you tell me what the aluminum plates bolted to the half-bulkhead ahead of 
the nav station is? They seem visible from the settee looking aft.

Mack
On 1/31/2023 14:42, Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List wrote:
Mack,
I also have an 81C Ditto what Nathan said regarding the SS tabs. No issues 
on my boat. Do check chain plates, however, all the way down to plywood knee 
behind settee. Also check around SS tabs at top of forward bulkheads. After 42 
years, there will have been leaks somewhere.
Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington Michigan

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 2:31:09 PM
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Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 34 aluminum plates on bulkhead

Hello Mack,
I have a 1981 C 34 and those outboard vertical plates on the bulkheads are 
stainless steel, not aluminum. I would be very skeptical if any of those 
components have been replaced with aluminum.  These components attach the deck 
to the bulkheads since to save cost (and allow the molded head liner) the 
bulkheads were not tabbed in to the deck. I haven't had leaks there on my boat 
at the point you describe (my genoa tracks seem well sealed).  However, the 
windows are hard to seal and might be leaking and so it is also possible that 
is where the water is coming from and then dripping down to the bulkhead (I 
would say that is in fact a likely source of water in that area). Of course 
also check that the bulkhead isn't rotted. The plates on top of the metal poles 
close to the main traveler also are a problematic leak point (for me on the 
starboard side a little water drips down the inside of that tube and ends up 
under the stove). I would agree that if the bulkhead is rotted beyond repair 
and needs to be replaced that might be a deal breaker.

Regardless you definitely want to check the whole deck for soft spots - around 
the head vent, chain plates and penetrations for the bulkhead attachments were 
the main problems on my boat (where I replaced the core in 2020 - see 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8W4AdgmKqKxARvsY7
 if you are curious about what I did).  All repairable but good to know what 
you are getting into as it is a big project (I also glassed a lot of old holes 
that weren't needed and rebedded almost all the deck hardware, replaced the 
fixed windows, rebuilt the forward hatch, and added a bow roller and asym tack 
point 

Stus-List Re: Photo for anchor locker door for C 36

[David Risch via CnC-List]

When you replace it put a locking latch on it.  You will be surprised how much 
a full anchor locker can affect handling.

From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2023 7:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Photo for anchor locker door for C 36

I’ll be by my boat today or tomorrow and can get you some pictures.

Sail safe,

Mike Brannon
1978 C 36-1 CB
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA


On Jan 3, 2023, at 2:30 PM, Via via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I have a missing anchor locker door on my 1978 C 36-1 and hoping someone can 
provide a picture of theirs.

I am going to glass my own and want to make it as original looking as possible 
i.e., shape, hardware, etc…

Thanks in advanced

Via Bialkowski

“Wind Dancer” ‘78 36-1

Oriental, NC


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Stus-List Re: Insurance - again

[David Risch via CnC-List]

How do you sink a Hinkley?

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 11:01 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance - again

Kind of a side note to this.  An owner of the company he works for bought a 
completely renovated Hinkley 60 in Florida.  He left Florida in it to bring it 
back to New England and it sank 100 miles off shore.   Insurance said he 
shouldn't have been more that 40 miles of shore and they aren't covering the 
loss.   I saw the listing for the boat and the coat guard coverage of the 
rescue.  The boat listed fur just under $1,000,000!

They are fighting it.   As was already stated, read the policy (and replace 
your standing rigging!).

Danny

On Jan 3, 2023 10:32 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Happy New Year!

I've been looking for insurance to cover our boat in the Caribbean and Med.

READ THE POLICY BEFORE YOU BUY!

I got what I thought was a good quote through a British broker until I read 
that the value of the mast decreased by 5% per year - i.e. a 20 year old mast 
was not insured.

Joel
Rule One Hylas 49
Former owner The Office C 35/3

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Stus-List Re: Moving 43 landfall from GA to FL and riggers.

[David Risch via CnC-List]

David…cannot do the trip on its own bottom?

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Subject: Stus-List Moving 43 landfall from GA to FL and riggers.

Hello all,
First time user here.Who has experienced  a good boat transport company.Looking 
for names .Also any good names of riggers that service Port Charlotte  Fl 
area?Thanks for the help.
David
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Stus-List Re: Leather wheel cover

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Don’t forget the double sided tape to keep cover aligned.  I did and it is a 
bit of a pain…

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 7:31 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: 'CHARLES SCHEAFFER' ; John Read 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Leather wheel cover

Another thought used by my father back in the day was to get two automobile 
steering wheel covers each ½ the circumference of the boat wheel, cut each then 
glue together, use provided plastic “thread”.  Worked well and not expensive.  
As I recall they lasted quite a few years
.
John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Leather wheel cover

HI Chuck

Installed the Edson version on my 40” wheel about 20 years ago.  Held up well 
and finally deteriorated so replaced last year with Edson.  I believe theirs is 
elk hide??  Very satisfying winter indoor project

John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

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Subject: Stus-List Leather wheel cover

Anybody replace their leather wheel cover lately?
I'm thinking of asking for a leather kit for my 52" wheel for Chistmas.  The 
Edson price is $380 and Defender offers a discount but thy are out of stock.  
Boatleather.com wants $300.  More if I add a foam liner.  Are there better 
sources?

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis, Md
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Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Given that...maybe n insurance driven ROI.

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 2:11 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

I can't say I am terribly saddened.  Seaport Marina is the worst marina I have 
ever kept my boat at for the winter.  Bent my stanchions, scraped my paint, 
power never worked in yard, water never worked, claimed they were going to work 
on my transmission and never did.  I was there one winter and never went back.  
Across the river at Ft. Rachel marina had the opposite experience.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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On Nov 28, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Not Mystic Seaport:

Seaport Marine is across the Mystic River from downtown Mystic. Seaport Marine 
is at 2 Washington St. and has a waterfront restaurant, Red 36, and a retail 
store, Fighting Lady Tackle Co., according to its website.
Prestige Yacht Sales, which is also located at 2 Washington St., was among the 
businesses consumed by the fire, Manfredi said.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 1:40 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
As did I...what fire at the Seaport?

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:46 AM
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Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net<mailto:johnmcc...@comcast.net>; Richard Bush 
mailto:bushma...@aol.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

John, what would cause something like that "open neutral" to happen so suddenly?
I was able to attend the 2012 C rendezvous at Mystic and thoroughly enjoyed 
it!
Thanks

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2022 10:39 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires
I was at the Mystic one last night. I live about a mile from downtown and my 
boat is right across the river from Seaport Marine. When the explosions started 
happening we rushed down. It was caused by an open neutral on the power feed 
from the building to shore power to the boats in the water. It was blowing hard 
as well and we were lucky to not lose more than we did.

John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT

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Subject: Stus-List Marina/boatyard fires

Couple of boatyard fires lately.  Seaport Marine in Mystic, CT and Seabrook 
Marine in New Orleans.  Tough news.

--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

[David Risch via CnC-List]

As did I...what fire at the Seaport?

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires

John, what would cause something like that "open neutral" to happen so suddenly?
I was able to attend the 2012 C rendezvous at Mystic and thoroughly enjoyed 
it!
Thanks

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2022 10:39 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marina/boatyard fires
I was at the Mystic one last night. I live about a mile from downtown and my 
boat is right across the river from Seaport Marine. When the explosions started 
happening we rushed down. It was caused by an open neutral on the power feed 
from the building to shore power to the boats in the water. It was blowing hard 
as well and we were lucky to not lose more than we did.

John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT

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Subject: Stus-List Marina/boatyard fires

Couple of boatyard fires lately.  Seaport Marine in Mystic, CT and Seabrook 
Marine in New Orleans.  Tough news.

--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Do  not forget the most important one...

Wire Coat Hanger

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 1:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Minimum list of Tools to be kept onboard a boat

I carry a lot of tools, but did cull some of them after the first season, as 
many were duplicates which came with the boat but were of inferior quality, or 
were badly corroded.

I have a large plastic toolbox with: complete screwdriver set (plus a good 
multi tip driver), (3 each of standard, philips and roberston, plus roberston 
#0 for small trim screws). Complete wrench set both metric and SAE in a wrap. A 
wrap of custom made wrenches for the boat, made for hard to access bits on the 
engine, supplied by PO. Needle nose pliers, channel locks, side cutters, 
crescent wrenches. Several metal files, hacksaw with spare metal cutting 
blades. Set of allen keys. Small hammer. Tap and die set with common sizes 
(full set I leave at home).

In addition, I have a decent sized ratchet set in a case with 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2" 
drive sockets both metric and SAE up to 22mm, along with torx and hex sockets.

I also have 3 plastic bins with electrical tools (meter, soldering iron, 
crimpers, etc), connectors and wire, although could probably cull down to one, 
but I always seem to have several minor electrical mods on the todo list. I 
would rate this category *very* highly, as it takes very little space, but can 
make the difference when something electrical goes wrong.

I also have a set of 18V tools (circular saw, recip saw, drill, hammer drill, 
flashlight) that I use for projects, but keep only the drill and light aboard 
when sailing. Good set of drill bits as well.

Spare parts for nearly everything: starter, alternator, engine belts, water 
pump, impellers, glow plugs, engine coolant premixed, zincs for engine and 
shaft, macerator pump, water pressure pump. Large assortment of SS fasteners, 
shackles, etc.

We have an electric dinghy motor which charges off solar, and the battery is 
capable of starting the main engine in the event of total battery failure. So 
far, I've only had to use it to jump start the car after leaving it for several 
months... :)

Depends on where you sail, but we are often out 4-6 weeks at a time in fairly 
remote areas, so being self-sufficient is important.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 10:34 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I've been helping a friend get his sailboat together and it's his first boat 
and he never has the right handtools, so I bring my own toolbag.  I wonder if 
anyone ever put together a list of hand tools to be kept on the boat that I 
could share with him.

I also need to remove some unnecessary tools as the bag has gotten heavier over 
time.

Thanks in advance,
Chuck S

Stus-List Re: C 35 MK I 170%

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Great downwind sails on spin pole and sheeted to end of main boom.

Otherwise…

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 8:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List C 35 MK I 170%

Does anyone still use 170% genoas?
I have two that are old but with very little use. I’ll send them for shipping 
if anyone needs one or both. They are cut as deck-sweepers, if you have furling 
gear it needs to be the kind that comes off.

Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: Last call before broker listing...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Yup…sad as it was family boat for 20 years.   But as we all do we need to move 
on.

Want a passionate owner as we were.

Fingers crossed.

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 9:53 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Last call before broker listing...

Sounds like a great deal on a great, well-sorted boat, Dave.

Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
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On Oct 3, 2022, at 14:31, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

FYI…Corsair (1981 C & C 40) will be listed with a local broker shortly.  $45k 
w/o broker $50k with.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

Likewise that works on my MK I.
Where I plan to use it is on the bow where the anchor and chain sometimes 
contact the hull.

Joe
Coquina

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

I used snatch blocks attached to the toe rail, one on either side and aft of 
the tracked roller cars to prevent jib sheets chafing the cockpit coaming on 
their way to the winch. Worked fine on a 35MKII

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 10:11 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I was told by a customer this week that it does not hold up very well.   
Nevertheless it looks like something that is worth trying.

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee - 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

Stus-List Re: Last call before broker listing...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Chris call me.  I am the owner.  David Risch.  401 419 4650

From: CHRIS PRICE via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 6:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHRIS PRICE 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Last call before broker listing...

Hello, Andy. Any details/ info on Corsair?

Chris Price
On 10/03/2022 9:53 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Sounds like a great deal on a great, well-sorted boat, Dave.

Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
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On Oct 3, 2022, at 14:31, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
FYI...Corsair (1981 C & C 40) will be listed with a local broker shortly.  $45k 
w/o broker $50k with.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 8:15 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

Likewise that works on my MK I.
Where I plan to use it is on the bow where the anchor and chain sometimes 
contact the hull.

Joe
Coquina

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 11:31 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

I used snatch blocks attached to the toe rail, one on either side and aft of 
the tracked roller cars to prevent jib sheets chafing the cockpit coaming on 
their way to the winch. Worked fine on a 35MKII

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 10:11 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I was told by a customer this week that it does not hold up very well.   
Nevertheless it looks like something that is worth trying.

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee - 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

Stus-List Last call before broker listing...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

FYI…Corsair (1981 C & C 40) will be listed with a local broker shortly.  $45k 
w/o broker $50k with.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 8:15 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

Likewise that works on my MK I.
Where I plan to use it is on the bow where the anchor and chain sometimes 
contact the hull.

Joe
Coquina

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
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Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 11:31 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: anyone try this chafe guard?

I used snatch blocks attached to the toe rail, one on either side and aft of 
the tracked roller cars to prevent jib sheets chafing the cockpit coaming on 
their way to the winch. Worked fine on a 35MKII

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 10:11 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I was told by a customer this week that it does not hold up very well.   
Nevertheless it looks like something that is worth trying.

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee - 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Cleaned and shocked the tanks every year.  Its what we drank numerous times 
when Bermuda bound.  No ill effects from the water.

We now live aboard and drink tank water twice filtered.

Key is rotation.  Use it and fill it.

However took four water tests - 1) unfiltered, filtered once, filtered twice 
and bottled water.  The results were the same.



From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 2:36 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

Are you brave enough to drink water from your fresh water tanks or even cook 
food with it?  Filter or not it's good for washing dishes and showering. 
Quality potable in those tanks; if I was dying of thirst. Maybe. Take the 
filter out. Be careful of where you take on water and chlorinate

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 12:59 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I mostly solved the mystery of my fresh water pump and wanted to update the 
discussion.  I got another identical Jabsco pump from Defender to replace the 
new one that was not shutting off and I was able to test the new one without 
removing the previous new one.  It did exactly the same thing which made me 
convinced the problem was elsewhere.  The hint came when I realized that air 
was getting into the system because the water coming out of the tap had 
frequent air gaps in flow.  I knew the problem was in the inflow because the 
pressure that the pump generated was maintained in the outflow system for many 
days.  I did not think the problem was in the tank lines since they were not 
leaking water.  The manifold also seemed fine.  My suspicion then centered on 
the filter between the manifold and the pump.  I pulled that out of the line 
and the pump pressurized and shut off quickly.  I am still not sure where the 
filter housing was leaking air but there is no obvious seal between the housing 
and the base.  Unlike the pump, that filter design has changed radically in 
what came with the new pump, so I suspect I am not the first to have problems 
with it.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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On Sep 9, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have had new pump pressure switch failure occur shortly after installation.

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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2022 12:06:47 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fresh water pump dead?

And not to beat a dead horse, but as I mentioned B4, I had no luck with the 
t;ypical pumps available, and once I went with the Johnson, all my problems 
went away. Maybe they have a better designed check valve.

Bill Coleman

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:07 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Good thoughts.  I can see in my tanks and there is not any significant amount 
of sludge.  I also have a strainer that was already in the line just before the 
pump.  The pump came with one, but I elected to leave the existing one in 
place.  I cleaned the filter and there was not much there.   Dave

David Knecht
Rear Commodore
Thames Yacht Club
New London, CT




On Sep 6, 2022, at 2:21 PM, Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

If you have that much sludge, you may want to consider an in-line strainer.  I 
have one between my bilgewater intake and my diaphragm bilge pump, and I know 
I've saved the pump from a lot of crud.  My strainer is simple and looks like 
the product at the link below, but as I recall it was made by a company with a 
marine presence (like Forespar or Surflow).  Very easy to install and clean 
periodically.

1/2 Inches Water Pump Strainer, Compatible with 3/8 Inches Hose Barb In-Line 
Strainer Twist-On Pipe Sprayer Filter for Water Pump 12V DC 80 PSI RV Camper 
Marine Boat Lawn (1): Amazon.com: Industrial & 
Scientific

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2022 1:52 PM

Stus-List Re: Winter storage options near Buzzards Bay, MA

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Yup...my buddy's C & C 40 fell over there!

From: DJ via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:07 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: DJ 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winter storage options near Buzzards Bay, MA

Yea, I've heard some horror stories about that place!

On Sep 17, 2022 12:14 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
As always, avoid Borden Light Marine in Fall River. Worst yard I've ever seen
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 12:05 PM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My info might be a bit old but when I bought my boat it had been in Somerset 
Marina for 3 yrs on the hard.  It was marginal for a 35' sailboat, could only 
launch at high tide, had to bring in an outside crane to hoist a mast more than 
50'.  On the other hand it was a good place for DIY, they didn't care what you 
did on the boat.  The yard crew was good, the owner bit of a crank.  Use with 
caution, I guess.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 9/17/2022 11:53 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
No. I don't know anything about any of these yards except that they aren't 
owned by Safe Harbor.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:49 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks Andy!   Taunton river sounds convenient for winter work!  Close to the 
house!

I was also considering somerset marina on the Taunton River.  Any thoughts on 
that facility?

On Sep 17, 2022 11:14 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Danny,
Check out Stanley's in Bristol and Shaws, O'connell's and Bristol Marine up the 
Taunton River. I think everything else in Narragansett Bay is owned by Safe 
Harbor.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:36 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello all,
Was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for winter storage somewhere around 
Buzzards Bay. Narragansett bay is an option too.

The yard I was using needs to drop the mast and they can be a little clumsy. 
They've damaged my boat several times in their handling and I've done a massive 
amount of cosmetic work over the last couple of years that I'd like to protect.

I've also just completely rehabbed the mast. So, dropping it seems like a waste 
of effort and cost right now. So, I'd like to find a mast up solution if 
possible.

Thanks for any insights anyone can offer!

Danny
Rum Runner IV
T40
Mattapoisett MA

Stus-List Re: Eight Bells for Rob Ball

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Damn...

We were blessed with Pat and Robs presence twice for our Mystic and Block 
Island Rendezvous.  So glad to have met hm.  As Andy has said he was a  kind 
and giving person of his time and knowledge.

Damn.  



-Original Message-
From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:10 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Eight Bells for Rob Ball

Listers, I regret to report that Pat Mangan Ball posted end-of-watch 9/9/22 for 
Rob Ball, on the C Owners Facebook group 50 minutes ago.

Respectfully,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

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Stus-List Corsair For Sale (First Offer - Private)

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Fellow Listers,

For a bunch of reasons, it makes sense to sell Corsair, our 1981 C & C 40.   
Lots of improvements, but will need a new main.   Pictures and info available 
upon request.  Located Marion, MA.   Surveyed 2009, 2011 and 2015 for 
Marion-Bermuda races and cool stuff done to it since then.

Price?   Have not thought about it until I need to.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
Great Benefits USA
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Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

It is worth repeating, if your policy has a replacement depreciation schedule 
your screwed with an older boat (20% of replacement costs on my 1981 before I 
switched).

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Davis 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

A ton of really good input on this topic.  I sincerely appreciate and value all 
of it, as well as everyone on this list very much.  Thank you!

Best regards,
Brian

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:35 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
IMHO, even though used boat values are currently low, the agreed upon value 
should be sufficient to replace the mast and related incidentals (boom, 
shrouds, any deck/hull damage) so the boat isn’t totaled in the event of a 
dismasting.  Although my boat’s in good condition with numerous upgrades, I 
don’t think I could get $50K for her.  Indeed, I paid less than that 10 years 
ago.

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:28 AM
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Cc: Brian Davis mailto:brianwdavis...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

I was unaware of this.  Really appreciate it.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 9:25 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Aside from premium increases, the problem with Geico policies – as this list 
exposed – is the annual reduction of part replacement cost for older boats 
until you hit the 20% floor.  As I understand the issue, if I lose my mast and 
the replacement is, say $30K, Geico will pay $6K.  That is totally unacceptable.


--
Brian Davis
Brian W Davis Inc
(954) 892-1128

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[David Risch via CnC-List]

It might have already been saidbut a clogged fuel pick-up in tank can cause 
all manner of gremlins.

From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 10:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Nelson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

I guess there is one other low cost possibility...your throttle cable is 
somehow jamming now permitting
it to open to full throttle.  Fairly low chance that is it, but worth checking 
before you start ripping expensive
bits a part.  You can disconnect the throttle cable and push/pull the throttle 
by hand to see if it changes
anything.
On 2022-06-28 11:13, Jeff Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
So that pretty much narrows it down to Fuel or exhaust.  Have you checked your 
mixing elbow to ensure it
is clear?  Restriction would certainly keep the revs from going up.  After that 
it likely gets expensive in
either fuel supply (high pressure pump/low pressure pump) or injector issues.



--

Cheers,

  Jeff Nelson

  Muir Caileag

  C 30 - 549

  Armdale Y.C.

On 2022-06-28 11:10, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote:
Prop is cleanshouldn't matter if the prop is dirty, the engine won't rev 
above 2,100 RPM's when in neutral.
On 2022-06-27 12:32 p.m., Korbey Hunt wrote:
Is the prop clean?

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Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
:

Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.








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Cheers,

  Jeff Nelson

  Muir Caileag

  C 30 - 549

  Armdale Y.C.

Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

John,

Thanks for the info...

I believe you are giving me praise for Andy Burton's NPT- BMD success.

But thanks anyway!

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 11:06 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

Hi David

I used to charter my 34 but only through direct referrals and check out of the 
applicant.  One week charters 2 or 3 times a summer.  Had to stop as the 
insurer would no longer allow on a casual basis.  Checked around and found 
similar policies.  Would have required a commercial policy at huge increase in 
premium to make it non viable.  Stopped chartering.  This was all about 10 
years ago so do not know current insurance requirements.  One avenue might be 
to charter through an agency.  I recall there are a few in Newport.

BTW, congratulations on your Bermuda success

John Read
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 10:22 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
Great Benefits USA
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Stus-List Thinking about Chartering Corsair...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Hello,

We are back in New England and will be aboard Corsair playing through the end 
of July.  The boat, will then sit idle through October.  Seems a bit crazy to 
just have it sit there, especially when I am hearing (and seeing) charter rates 
of $4,000 a week?!

Besides the usual concerns (insurance strangers aboard your boat etc.) anybody 
have experience with a long term or short term charter of your own boat and 
could impart some perspective and reality check.

As always, thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
Managing Director
Great Benefits USA
401-419-4650 - Direct Line
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Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Oh. I was wondering if you were back by now….that would have been impressive.

Enjoy the D & S(s)!

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

We’re at RBYC on the west dock. Going up to the bar, now
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

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On Jun 23, 2022, at 13:54, David Risch via CnC-List 
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Down.  And back…now.

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
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Down or back?
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26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

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On Jun 22, 2022, at 17:30, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Nice job Andy...care to discuss the weather etc?  I am hearing wide ranging 
reports.

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Congratulations, well done Andy under dome trying conditions
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On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
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Thanks, Joel! I learned all I know sailing my Dads C 27.
Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Fandrewburtonyachtservices%2F=05%7C01%7C%7Cc70cef98d3d44dc0e43708da5540484f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637916031835280446%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=wWNPDEgu6haILRLCDcoNJdrm5g8Mp6tlDW1%2FqxC7qCc%3D=0>






On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:40, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Congrats to former C Andy Burton for taking 1st in class and second in 
division in the Newport Bermuda race on his Baltic 47, Masquerade!  It was 
hardly champagne sailing against a formidable fleet!

--
Joel

Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Down.  And back…now.

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:19 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

Down or back?
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260


On Jun 22, 2022, at 17:30, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Nice job Andy...care to discuss the weather etc?  I am hearing wide ranging 
reports.

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:59 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Rod Stright mailto:strig...@eastlink.ca>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

Congratulations, well done Andy under dome trying conditions
Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks, Joel! I learned all I know sailing my Dads C 27.
Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Fandrewburtonyachtservices%2F=05%7C01%7C%7Ce929af296f964cbb3bbf08da54becc0c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637915475703302059%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=LTgG46bYZtnThcjEID7QFLdtqcbL6TJf9nM4QwbIj%2BY%3D=0>





On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:40, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Congrats to former C Andy Burton for taking 1st in class and second in 
division in the Newport Bermuda race on his Baltic 47, Masquerade!  It was 
hardly champagne sailing against a formidable fleet!

--
Joel

Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Nice job Andy...care to discuss the weather etc?  I am hearing wide ranging 
reports.

From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:59 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Andrew Burton

Congratulations, well done Andy under dome trying conditions
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks, Joel! I learned all I know sailing my Dads C 27.
Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/




On Jun 22, 2022, at 12:40, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Congrats to former C Andy Burton for taking 1st in class and second in 
division in the Newport Bermuda race on his Baltic 47, Masquerade!  It was 
hardly champagne sailing against a formidable fleet!

--
Joel

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Batteries again

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Joe,

We charge house then, a via “Digital Duo”, the start battery.   That seems to 
be  the norm DC to DC.  Any reason you are doing it otherwise?

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:14 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Batteries again

My batteries are pretty well shot, so this is all good info for me as well. I 
always liked gels myself, but they are getting pretty hard to find now.
I have been getting pretty tempted to go for a 300ah lithium, it will fit right 
in and give me a TON more amp-hours. If I go that way I am going to swap the 
alternator cable to the start battery and use a DC-DC charger for the house 
bank. One perhaps not appreciated feature of lithium batteries is that they are 
“stiff”, you maintain around 12.8 volts most of the way to being dead. 
Wednesday morning I went to check into the Waterway Net and the SSB wasn’t real 
happy to be seeing 12.4 volts, this would not be an issue with a lithium bank 
unless it was down to its very last bit of juice.

Joe
Coquina

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:12 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; Korbey Hunt 
mailto:kampf2...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Batteries again

I highly recommend Lifeline group 31

Get Outlook for 
Android

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 9:40:31 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again


There is a lot of reason to be concerned about off brands. Pretty much all 
cycling batteries of the same size will be about the same AH rating. There is 
no magic in lead batteries, the AH per pound is pretty consistent.  What 
matters *hugely* is the number of cycles that they can endure before being 
trashed. The various cheap Chinese imports are highly variable to say the 
least, their reviews are all over the place. Lifeline is usually considered the 
best AGM maker.

FYI – Deka makes all the West Marine AGMs, you might call around your local 
battery shop and see what they charge. They are worse than Lifelines, but if 
they crap out after a week at least you can return them to the store 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:25 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Batteries again



I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330

Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432

Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457



From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  Thanks- 
Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: While we wait for spring - Hinterhoeller

[David Risch via CnC-List]

This is great stuff...

Thanks!

From: JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 10:59 PM
To: JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
Cc: JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
Subject: Stus-List While we wait for spring - Hinterhoeller

1928 to 1999 - George Anton Hinterhoeller

Reception at C during the heyday must have had a tough time cause if someone 
called in and asked if they could speak with George. there would have been 
a pause... which one ? There was a third George instrumental in the founding of 
C Yachts. George Hinterhoeller was born in Austria in 1928, apprenticed as a 
shipwright and then moved to Canada in 1952, he shortly found work at Shepherd 
Boats in Niagara on the Lake, Ontario. Being an entrepreneur spirit, he left 
after 5 years and stated his own boat building company. Now he says his first 
yacht sank, well he did build that one when he was 4, by 1959, he had perfected 
his own designs and started construction on the first Shark. It was a success 
for him and his partner Gordon Brinsmead and eventually over 2000 Sharks were 
built. Hinterhoeller also designed and built the HR 25 and 28.

In 1963, GAH contacted Cuthbertson and Cassian Limited to design the Invader 
class. The first being built of cold molded mahogany and owned by David Howard 
and John Hilton, who named her Invader. This was used as a plug to build the 
first fiberglass boat of C design. Sadly that summer she was wrecked, as the 
lights of the Toronto Island Airport at the Toronto Harbour western gap were 
"misinterpreted" by Mr. Hilton. The remains of her can now be found as the bar 
at the NOTL Sailing Club. The first fiberglass hull was then commissioned as 
Invader II ( not to be confused with any of the 8 meters ) and hull #2 RIP II 
was bought by Al. Mason who would later marry Bernice Telford, widow of Dick 
Telford, who had given GHC his first. oh there I go again )

At Shepherd, Hinterhoeller had learnt about production line boats, taking this 
knowledge he set pits up in his every increasing in size plant. The boats would 
be lowered in to the pits so the decks were at floor level. This allowed the 
craftsmen to not have to climb up and down ladders to work on the boats, saving 
time and potential injuries. By 1969 he had 5 lines running including the 
Redwing 30 and a staff of 57 producing 181 boats a year.

That year Bob Sale, suggested that George Hinterhoeller and 3 other companies 
join forces to form C Yachts. Each division would keep their autonomy but by 
combining design, management, marketing and supply chains they would become a 
force to recon with.
The plant quickly grew and would provide the basic C product line: C 25, 
27, 30, 35, and 39

1972, C Yachts experienced growing pains at the top as Ian Morch left as 
President succeeded by George Hinterhoeller. GAH was a boat builder and freely 
admitted he was not a president of a corporation so after 10 months missing the 
shop floor he stepped down.
1974 sees 571 boats built at the Niagara plant.

By late 1975 George Hinterhoeller had enough of the being part of C Yachts 
and left the company. He forms Hinterhoeller Yachts in 1977 with his son and 
begins building the Mark Ellis designed Nonsuch line. A series of cat boats 
that reached a production # of 975.
George opted for retirement in 1988, noting that the boat business was 
saturated with used boats. The boat building business didn't do well in the 
late 80's. By 1989 the company had entered receivership and was completely gone 
by November 1995

George Anton Hinterhoeller passed away in March 1999 from a stroke left behind 
Nona his wife of many years.

In October, the Canadian Sailing Hall of Fame with induct George Hinterhoeller 
in to their "Builders" catagory.

If you'd like to read other articles I've posted on the history of GHC, C 
yachts and a few reproductions of promotional items, go to 
www.candcyachts.com

JohnKelly Cuthbertson


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Stus-List Re: Propane Stove Solenoid

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Replace the regulator first.  I thought it was the solenoid and it was the 
regulator.

From: Todd Williams via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 3:28 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Todd Williams 
Subject: Stus-List Propane Stove Solenoid

Like many of us, I am excited to get Indigo Out We Go back into the waters of 
Lake Ontario in about a month!!! She is a 1980 C 34 that we bought last year. 
She is a great boat for us because she was stored inside in the off season but 
many of her accessories were not functioning, leading to a good financial deal 
for us.

One of those accessories is the propane stove and oven. I can’t get the stove 
to light. It feels to me like there is gas in the 3 pound cylinder and the gas 
lines look intact. I have the solenoid switch turned on. Could it be that the 
solenoid has failed? Or is there some other likely trouble in the system?

This isn’t a huge deal because I bought a transom mount propane grill (summer 
cooking is cooler outside) and I bring my white gas backpacking stove on our 
multi day adventures.

Thanks in advance for the wisdom,

TODD
Sodus Bay, NY

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Chuck...just dated myself big time!  

My little Yamy for the spare dinghy must be that old.  Still runs like a champ 
though!

-Original Message-
From: Novabraid via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

David and Andy,
Most 2 cycle engines make for marine use in the past 25 years have oil injector 
systems with a separate oil tank that independently mixes the 2 stroke oil with 
the gasoline inside the engines.  If your engine is flinging oil up against the 
transom, it could be from a fitting on the oil tank and pump.  This assembly is 
usually under the upper cowl of the engine and would be pretty accessible.  You 
would probably find a significant amount of oil covering the inside of the cowl 
as well.
It is also possible that the staining might be coming from unburnt oil from the 
exhaust, although that usually exits the engine behind or below the engine.  
Does the engine smoke excessively?
If the oil seems to be coming from further down the engine and shaft, that 
would indicate that it was a case of the final drive oil being considerably 
over filled and is spewing out a vent hole.  Before I would run the engine this 
way for an entire season,  I'd spend more time finding the source of the oil 
splattering rather than doing an elaborate fix to protect the finish on the 
transom.  These engines don't weigh very much and are not that tough to remove 
from the transom bracket.
Chuck Gilchrest



-Original Message-
From: David Risch via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 4:05 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: Engine Oil Staining Transom

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Get that clear plastic material folks put on the nose of their cars to protect 
it from chips.  I would think an autoparts store or Amazon (where I got mine 
for a different application).

I am wondering about flinging oil and a 2 stroke.  Oil should be in gas and not 
in a "flingable" location?

-Original Message-
From: Andy Frame via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andy Frame 
Subject: Stus-List Engine Oil Staining Transom


I obtained an old two-stroke Suzuki Sail-8 for my first outboard for my 24. It 
has a few issues, one being is flings small amounts of oil at the transom, so 
now I have some minor staining. It's less of a spot, and more of a discolored 
patch where the oil has absorbed.

I am looking for any kind of coating that I can temporarily use for the season 
to minimize the damage until I have the opportunity to haul-out this coming 
winter. Or if there is something that I can wipe the area down with after each 
outing that won't damage the gelcoat (such as it is). Maybe something  as 
simple as Dawn & a scrub brush?

I'd rather do a little preventive now, than have a major cleanup issue in nine 
months.

Thanks in advance.

--
s/v MaryMe
1975 C 24
Labelle, FL USA
Amateur Radio WD4RCC

Stus-List Re: While we wait for spring

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Robert,

When I was a yungin’ I was a foredeck monkey on  a C & C 35 and 38 in LIS.  
Golden Peace raced against Christopher Dragon many a time.  My powerboat is 
named Rogue and I always think of the Ericson 39 Rogue who was on the line as 
well.

Good times and great fleets and sailing with Butch was a hoot.

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 1:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Mazza 
Subject: Stus-List Re: While we wait for spring

Hi Matt,

Good to hear from you.

Very much involved. The 42 was a development of the 1975 Canada's Cup 
challenger Marauder which lost to Golden Dazy. I was Project Manager for 
Marauder and also crewed aboard her for the Two Ton Worlds and the Canada's Cup 
racing in Detroit.  The flush decked Christopher Dragon was a Custom Shop 
production version of Marauder. I was also project manager on that boat as 
well, I think. I sailed Bermuda Races and Long Island Sound races aboard her 
with Butch Ulmer. I also sailed aboard Keith Burley's C 42 Genevieve out of 
RHYC. I remember going into a spreaders in the water broach on that boat in the 
middle of a spinnaker peel on Burlington Bay! Genevieve is now at the Prince 
Edward Yacht Club in Picton, ON.

So, yes, some involvements with 42s. ;-)

I have the Barient 23 self-tailers on our dining room table, but probably won't 
disassemble them until Trillium gets uncovered.

Take care, and I look forward to seeing you sometime this summer in Port Dover.

Rob

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 1:04 PM Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Rob:

I may have asked you previously, but were you involved with the 
42 Custom.  Six were produced in or about 1976.  I believe mine was the last.

Matt

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 11:22 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Robert Mazza mailto:robertlma...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: While we wait for spring

The building on Wallace Road, which was diagonally opposite the later building 
on Speers Road, became the C Sales Office and Showroom for a while before the 
short lived showroom was built as part of the office complex in Port Credit. 
The Speers Road building housed a valve plant before it was acquired and 
greatly enlarged by the C Custom division. I started work in that plant 
building Redline 25s under Mike Houndslow. That must have been in 1969 because 
Manitou, True North, Bagatelle, and Red Jacket were in the shop at the time.

Rob

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:10 AM JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Found a reference to 1492 Wallace Road.   It’s a different building…. Will have 
to research more

JKC

Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

> On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:33 AM, JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
> mailto:j...@motiondesignslimited.com>> wrote:
>
> From Google earth I can see the building is still there.   But my history 
> says they moved to Wallace Rd. before Speers, what I don’t know is if it was 
> a different building on Wallace or because this one, at the corner of Wallace 
> and Speers, my source meant this one…. Hmmm
>
> JKC
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Stus-List Re: List The attachments are driving me nuts

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Seems to be working fine now…

From: randal johnston via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 2:10 AM
To: Cnc-List@Cnc-List. Com 
Cc: randal johnston 
Subject: Stus-List Re: List The attachments are driving me nuts

X2 from this Randy!

randy
Tamanawas
29-II
Hood River, OR


On Mar 7, 2022, at 10:45 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

All my devices are Apple and I’ve had no such trouble.

Cheers,
Randy
There are no links in this footer.

Stus-List Re: List The attachments are driving me nuts

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Stu...maybe you know this, but it seemed to have all started commensurate with 
the cutting boards emails.  

-Original Message-
From: Stu via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 1:52 PM
To: C Email List 
Cc: Stu 
Subject: Stus-List List The attachments are driving me nuts


Folks I have tried and tried to find the problem.  The IT group that maintains 
our list program assure me it is not the problems. The program only relays what 
is sent to it and makes no changes.

I tried contacting several email servers whose customers were experiencing 
problems, and I might as well talk to the wind.

The problems are very sporadic and are not consistent by any means. I have 
several email accounts all with different providers and do not any problems.  
So I cannot relate to the problems.

I am still using Windows Live Mail from Windows Essentials (no longer
available) and Thunderbird Mail.  Both programs access all of my email accounts 
and neither has shown any problems.

I don't know what to suggest at this time except for you to experiment and try 
a different email app on your smartphone, laptop or desktop computers.

I keep trying to find the problem and the solution but right now things do not 
look good.

Stu

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Stus-List Re: Confession Time - "Dark Side"...not so dark

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Yup...hence "The Beast" moniker.  Never handled her till we left Old Saybrook, 
CT 11/11 for Jacksonville. Twin screw so not rocket science.Generally 
uneventful trip.  3 weeks running time at 8.5 knots @ 4.5 gals per hour 
including generator run time.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 4:28:07 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Confession Time - "Dark Side"...not so dark


That’s a lot of boat!  I’m not!



Congrats, David!



From: DJ via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 4:08 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: DJ 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Confession Time - "Dark Side"...not so dark



That's a lot of boat!  I'm jealous!



On Jan 6, 2022 3:00 PM, David Risch via CnC-List  wrote:

We have sold the family home and purchased Rogue aka “The Beast” (Gulfstar 49 
MY) and are living aboard her in Florida.  Specific location will change every 
few months as we determine where to next buy dirt.



Fear not as we have not sold our beloved Corsair which will remain in Marion 
and be our home base in the summer as we continue to peruse New England.



If others are thinking of doing the same, feel free to ask questions.  I will 
not tell anyone…promise.





David F. Risch

Managing Director

Great Benefits USA

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Stus-List Re: 25 MKII - Smiling?

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Heated agreement.  Any wiggle and that keel is being dropped and properly 
re-bedded.   IMHO elongation of bolt holes has occurred and will only get worse.

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I would say none is closer to normal. I have a 1974 C 35. Never saw its keel 
wiggle lifted out of the water in fall and put back in the water every spring.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:13 AM Julian Norris via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I also noticed that the keel on my 30 MKII wiggled alarming during lift out 
this year. Our club lifts as a group with a crane with very long straps. It was 
very windy so the straps were vibrating in the breeze (gale?) which transferred 
to the hull and caused the keel to wiggle. In my case I believe the fibreglass 
keel stub was flexing, not the joint at the keel bolts. After being alarmed by 
this on my boat I paid closer attention to the subsequent boats coming out and 
observed that some of those wiggled too but not to the same degree as mine. I 
have inspected the structure around the bilge to the extent that it’s visible 
and don’t see any issues. I’m very interested in hearing opinions from this 
list about how much keel movement is normal.

Julian Norris
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Halifax, N.S.
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On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Stephen Kidd via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Happy New Year! We're hoping to get some insights on an issue we are having 
with our keel. We recently had our 25 MKII hauled for some winter projects and 
were surprised to see that the keel "wiggled" when the boat was on the travel 
lift, a little bit laterally.

I've uploaded some photos of the keel and the keel 
bolts.
 Here are some observations:
1) No signs of weeping from the keel joint and no visible separation when 
lifted from the stands.
2) None of the keel bolts (3 in total) leak.
3) Crack at the aft end doesn't look typical of the C smile based on internet 
searches.

Should we torque the keel bolts, grind out the crack, fill (G-flex?), fair, and 
paint, or is this beyond a "smile" fix?

Thanks!
Stephen



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Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

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Britt Chance was a one horse pony

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From: David Risch 
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To: Joel Delamirande ; Stus-List 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

It was a piss poor modification that could not outsail an older 40 boat for 
boat with a brand new owner at the home with nary a clue.   Cruise it?   Have a 
party.  Race it?   Good luck.

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From: Joel Delamirande 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

Why stay away  David Risch

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:00 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
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Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed past it 
on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that keel. I 
hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is a very unique C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fc-c-37-40.blogspot.com%2Fp%2Fboat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html=04%7C01%7C%7C48755615909e48414f9208d9bab8e372%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637746125518742185%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=oEJZumSLGCwk5Rj90JV8GeVX358nVbc%2F9vvyhwTXi2Q%3D=0>

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
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A friend of mine who sails with me on my C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

1989 C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - 
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Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

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It was a piss poor modification that could not outsail an older 40 boat for 
boat with a brand new owner at the home with nary a clue.   Cruise it?   Have a 
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From: Joel Delamirande 
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:08:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

Why stay away  David Risch

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 9:00 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed past it 
on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.

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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that keel. I 
hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is a very unique C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fc-c-37-40.blogspot.com%2Fp%2Fboat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html=04%7C01%7C%7C48755615909e48414f9208d9bab8e372%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637746125518742185%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=oEJZumSLGCwk5Rj90JV8GeVX358nVbc%2F9vvyhwTXi2Q%3D=0>

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
A friend of mine who sails with me on my C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

1989 C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yachtworld.com%2Fyacht%2F1989-c%24c-40r-plus-37r-7966909%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C48755615909e48414f9208d9bab8e372%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637746125518742185%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=RTZUTY47MrjrhhsYHuJmO5nURlsBr57gSHe0k2KjF3A%3D=0>

Thanks

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Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

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Guys. A buddy of mine owned it. A dog. Me as a new owner of a 40 sailed past it 
on Wednesday nights.  Stay away.

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From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:08:27 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40R for sale

That is a really nice boat. I like the custom stuff and especially that keel. I 
hope it sails as good as it looks.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 3:03 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That is a very unique C 37R.  It was the 14th 37R built, called Wave Trane, 
and it had quite a number of factory modifications to make it stronger and 
stiffer than the usual C 37R.  As an example, all bulkheads were tabbed to 
the deck from below, not usual for the 37R.  There are a set of drawings at the 
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston, just for that boat.

It also has a weird looking one off custom keel designed by Britton Chance Jr., 
designer of America’s Cup Boats among other things, which explains why there 
are so many keel bolts.  Some info here: 
http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Some of the links there, to download the drawings, aren't working just now, 
Google changed something.  I'll see if I can get that linking cleared up this 
evening.

Ken H.



On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 at 23:07, Ian Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
A friend of mine who sails with me on my C 29-1 has seen this boat and may be 
interested.  Anyone got any comments to make that would be helpful to him.

He's here in San Francisco and the boat is in BC so that's one problem

1989 C 40R Plus 37R Racer/Cruiser for sale - 
YachtWorld

Thanks

Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento"  C 29-1
San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Re: Fwd: Read Sarah’s review

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Done and done.

(Mistake I am sure)

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From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:34:26 AM
To: Stus-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Fwd: Read Sarah’s review


What going on here
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:30 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

And throw some used cotter pins on his deck.



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Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 8:42 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Fwd: Read Sarah’s review



No, I say we flood his inbox, and drill holes in his hull...

Bill Walker



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Stus-List Re: Insurance

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Ding Ding

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From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:52:22 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance

Boat US went in the tank when it was bought by Geico.

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:18:16 AM
To: Stus-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance

Exactly.  If you don't have salvage coverage, you can get royally screwed.  
Happened to a buddy of mine last year in Hurricane Sally.

His boat was moored at Barber Marine on the ICW at Orange Beach, AL.  You'd 
think it was fairly protected.  No.  The wind was such that there was a lot of 
fetch and consequently significant wave action.  The marina was essentially 
destroyed.  He managed to visit a day or two after the storm and saw his boat 
afloat and not in bad shape.  He tried to visit a second time a few days later 
and was denied entry.  Meanwhile, according to him, a powerboat somehow damaged 
his sailboat enough to sink it.  He was in the process of arranging for a 
salvor to raise it when he was informed by the marina that they had raised it 
and presented him with a bill around $20,000.

He had to hire a marine lawyer to negotiate a settlement with the marina 
somewhat less than $20K.  He ended up with a much reduced settlement on the 
boat after the salvage cost was subtracted.  Ugly situation.

I have salvage coverage.  Here's the applicable clause from Touche's policy:

"We will also pay necessary salvage charges. This is an additional amount of 
insurance. But it will not exceed the amount stated on the Declarations Page 
for Section l."

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 8:40 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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Another thing to check is salvage vs. repair coverage. If you just have say 
$50K of hull insurance with no salvage, if it takes $25K to salvage the boat 
you now have $25Kleft to fix the boat. For a difficult salvage and an old boat 
you could easily end up with nothing left.

BOATUS used to have superb coverage and the claim I had with them was handled 
over the phone, they said just have the yard fax the bill over when they are 
done. At some point they went from the best to the worst, for old boats they 
are essentially just liability now. My hope now is that Progressive doesn’t get 
nailed with a huge hurricane loss and double their rates. Speaking of, I have 3 
policies with them, one for Coquina, one for the dinghy, and one for the 
Whaler. There was some deal where the dinghy could be included with the mother 
ship, but I heard it was better not to do this because of something with the 
deductible.  I can’t recall the details, but the cost for the two small boats 
is maybe $200 or so per year for both of them.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina

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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

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Two simple things have kept me out of filter and fuel pickup problems...keep 
the tank at least half full and filter all fuel going in tank.

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From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:38:15 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump


Thanks, Dave.  I will try leaving the pump on next time I venture out in the 
really fun stuff.



From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:30 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump



 I had this happen on my previous boat with a Yanmar and I suspect I know why.  
I think the problem was getting air in the fuel lines as the pickup was 
sometimes not in the diesel as the boat bounced around when the tank is not 
full.  There was no electric fuel pump so you had to manually bleed the system 
to get the air out.  One thing I really like about the Universal with the 
electric fuel pump in my current boat is those air bubbles will be purged by 
the system if the fuel pump is left on with the engine not running.   Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Is your friend certain of the cause?  My Westerbeke also does not like to start 
after bouncing around in the big waves (especially following a knock-down).  My 
diesel mechanic (Andy H) has been thinking about the cause for years.  It is 
not a clogged filter problem in our case.  Fortunately, I have always been able 
to get it started, but it takes a lot of turning over.  Good thing I have 
sufficient battery reserve.



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
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Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:44 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump



This is the second boat I have sprung for that double Racor.

A friend of mine finished up a race in Buffalo  with a 30Kt West wind and his 
engine wouldn’t start.  He had a hell of a time getting in  out of the waves 
without something bad happening. After hearing his story,  (Clogged filter, of 
course)  I thought, I don’t want that to happen to me – and I replaced mine. 
Engine starts to stutter, check the gauge, and flip the handle to the clean 
filter and keep on going.





Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA





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Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

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I was gonna say what Nathan said...never mind.

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:01:52 PM
To: Stus-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

If you can't find a local shop, send the thing to Guido at Garhauer Marine.  He 
will duplicate it.  Does excellent work.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

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Check the fine print.   Ask the question.   If I lose the mast

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From: Andy Frame via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:54:40 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance


Progressive was the *only* company that I found that would write me a
policy. Next step is a a TowBoatUS membership ...

On 9/23/2021 3:48 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote:
> I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS). They said my
> insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to $1226/year). Just for a
> check, I asked Progressive for a quote. Their price for the same amount
> of insurance was $487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>

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Stus-List Re: C 40 TRDK

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Graham owned on for 16 years.  Email me and lets chat.

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From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 9:07:43 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Graham Collins 
Subject: Stus-List C 40 TRDK

Hi!

Any C 40 owners on the list willing to offer opinions on this model?
There is one local to me that might be worth a look. The good, the bad,
hidden things to look for?

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Stus-List Re: C 40 TRDK

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Welcome fellow 40 owner.   Bought another boat.  Still keeping her in the 
family for future generations.

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From: w6re via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 3:00:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: w6re 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 TRDK

Hello all,
   My wife and I own a C 40-2 1980 model that is a retired successful racer. 
We use it for cruising around the islands & Baja in Southern California waters. 
These were quality boats and still a great deal for what you get. A 40ft class 
boat with full interior and galley capabilities very nicely appointed with 
wonderful teak wood interior throughout.  I have recently upgraded the 
electronics on board again from RayMarine to B Zeus3 chart plotter and full 
NEMA 2000 network. The stereo and all navigation systems can be controlled by 
smartphone or tablet and the Yanmar diesel has been freshly rebuilt with only 
30hrs operating time. We inherited 9 bags of sails and we have the tall rig 
plus extra cutter and baby stays for all kinds of sail configurations. The 
draft on ours is 7ft as west coast sailing doesn't have lots of shallows that 
perhaps a swing board drop would be needed for 5ft draft.
   She handles well, sails almost as easy as my original Cal 20 on short handed 
as I learned on as a youngster. She can outrun most typical cruisers in her 
class with easy light breezes including the popular choices such as Catalina 36 
or Catalina 38 and can keep up with friends who have a Catalina 42 on normal 
passages between the islands we sail to here. These have a low 93 handicap 
rating and are nimble for their age. It's a lot of boat for little money as 
there are a lot that have had deferred maintenance not done for sale at bargain 
prices. We picked ours up in the height of the C19 epidemic for an extreme 
bargain! Everything in the articles written for Practical and others are pretty 
much true. I still think her lines are sexy and she looks modern go-fast just 
sitting in her slip 40 years on. Not dated at all. If she had a sugar scoop or 
walk through transom, she would look like she's half her age by design lines. 
We are happy with what we ended up with though all things considered.

Rick & Debbie
"STARLIGHT"  AKA: our Starlight-Express
Los Angeles



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 Original message 
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Date: 9/18/21 9:36 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40 TRDK

And here’s what I wrote for Cruising World 
https://www.cruisingworld.com/cc-40/

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Sep 18, 2021, at 09:46, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
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Hi Graham,

I'm guessing you have already seen this Practical Sailor article?

https://www.practical-sailor.com/sailboat-reviews/used_sailboats/cc-40-still-turning-heads

Ken H.

On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 10:08, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
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Hi!

Any C 40 owners on the list willing to offer opinions on this model?
There is one local to me that might be worth a look. The good, the bad,
hidden things to look for?

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Stus-List Re: anyone gone lithium?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Riley,

This was great worthy of printing and saving.  Thank you!

From: Riley Anderson via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:39 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe ; Riley Anderson 

Subject: Stus-List Re: anyone gone lithium?

Hi Joe and any others interested in this topic.

I install lithium batteries as my side job and after installing lithium on our 
38-ii and other large boats and consulting on another half dozen boats, I can 
speak with some authority on this topic.

The risk of serious electrical or fire damage can be entirely mitigated by 
properly installing the right equipment and following a strict circuit 
topology. Most people who have installed lithium do not do this and this is 
precisely why we hear about "lithium fires" so commonly.

Before diving into the details, you should be aware that in order to safely 
install lithium batteries on a boat, you need to buy top-quality gear that is 
compatible with the exact lithium chemistry of your batteries. Can you use an 
AGM charge profile from the old charger you have lying around? Sure, you may be 
willing to take more risks than others but this is not acceptable in a 
professional install and it also reduces the efficiency of your expensive 
batteries that you bought for their high efficiency in the first place! It is 
these "indirect" costs of making the lithium safe aboard that will dramatically 
increase the investment cost. Also, in order to take full advantage of the 
perks of lithium you need to be able to efficiently charge the system. This 
means a substantial solar array or very high output alternator (often requiring 
serpentine belts and larger pulleys). For the weekend sailor or anyone tied to 
a dock most of their season, these costs cannot be justified over conventional 
lead-acid or AGM technology.

My wife and I live aboard and spend our entire season on anchor or mooring. 
This is where lithium shines. We have 720 watts of solar and 320 Ah of lithium. 
We run a fridge, separate freezer, fans, computers, microwave, electric kettle, 
with enough excess power each day to either make 6 gallons of hot water through 
the inverter or run a 5000 BTU air conditioner on high for 5 hours through the 
night. We have all the luxuries of home and are never concerned about running 
out of power.

The details:

The Battleborn, Dakota, and Renogy batteries that advertise a "drop-in" 
replacement for lead-acid should never be used on a boat. These were designed 
for van-lifers who can pull over and escape if something goes horribly wrong.

The key with lithium is that you need to protect both your boat and its 
electronics and your substantial investment in batteries. Lithium batteries 
will not tolerate overcharging, this is where the fire risk comes in. On the 
other hand, over-discharging will not cause a fire risk but will destroy your 
battery. The "drop-in" replacement batteries "solve" this by disconnecting 
their terminals in the case of either overcharge or over-discharge. This is 
unacceptable on a boat for two reasons: 1) most obviously, if you lose all DC 
power underway, you no longer have VHF, depth, chartplotter, bilge pumps, 
radar, etc. 2) if the alternator is spinning but there is no battery to accept 
the charge, it will send unregulated voltage through the entire electrical 
system.

The proper way to install lithium involves implementing a dual-DC bus topology 
where all of the charge sources come into a single "charge bus" and all of the 
loads run on a separate "load bus". Victron Energy is the only company with 
off-the-shelf batteries and related components to implement such a system. Of 
course, the savy DIYer can build their own lithium banks and program a 
compatible battery management system to achieve a similar end result but this 
involves a serious appreciation for the nuances of lithium and circuitry 
design. Essentially, a battery management system (BMS) will both balance the 
individual cells in a battery and measure the voltage of each cell. If any 
single cell reaches its upper voltage threshold value, the BMS triggers a relay 
to disconnect the charge bus and prevent overcharging (keep in mind, there are 
other steps necessary to protect alternators, I'll come back to this later). If 
any cell reaches its lower voltage threshold, the BMS similarly triggers a 
relay disconnecting the load bus to prevent over-discharge. The separation of 
charge and load busses is critical as it allows the system to recover on its 
own. In the event of a low-voltage disconnect, the charge bus remains connected 
and the battery can recharge. In a high-voltage disconnect, the loads are still 
connected and can bring the battery back down to a safer voltage.

To charge lithium from an alternator, you need a lead-acid or AGM in between to 
act as a buffer (most commonly, this can be your starter battery). The 
alternator charges the lead battery. Connected to the lead battery is a DC-DC 
charger that is 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

[David Risch via CnC-List]

It was my understanding that PHRF ratings factored in reaching.

That said.   1 ¼ mile W/L course(s) on a sym 40’  got old real fast.   Needed 8 
crew.  And then burnt out that crew in a 4 race a day regatta.   No fun.

We stopped that silliness years ago.

Only long distance now.

From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 10:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design

This debate has raged within Colorado Sail & Yacht Club for the last several 
years.  The J/22 racers argue that the larger PHRF boats (spinnaker or not) 
should sail windward/leeward courses like they do.  The larger PHRF boats 
(including spinnaker boats) like reaching because that’s when they’re fastest.  
And it’s not unusual for RC’s best-laid plans to be ruined by mother nature 
(e.g. 180-degree wind shifts after a race has started on a course around fixed 
buoys).

I conclude that a single rating number is a poor compromise across multiple 
points of sail and a range of wind speeds - it’s like estimating a surface with 
a point.  I win when it’s blowing hard, but get beat in light air by asym boats 
on broad reach.  There’s no way a single number can equalize boats across all 
possible courses and conditions.

So as an experiment we’ve done what Donald Kern mentioned in another reply - 
sometimes we make the J/22s and Capri 22s sail triangles in addition to W/L, 
and the larger PHRF boats sail W/L in addition to triangles, using long courses 
that combine course types.  At the very least it gives us some empathy for each 
other.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO


On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Joe, Kenny Read agrees with you. He wrote an article to that effect some months 
ago.

Andy
Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
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On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:35, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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I have been in races that were almost 100% downwind or 100% upwind, thanks to 
perfect timing of wind shifts. Somehow it worked out and the PHRF ratings are 
what they are and we dealt with it.
I know many people disagree, but IMHO making big boat racing resemble dinghy 
racing and making dinghy racing a science experiment with perfect upwind and 
downwind legs has not been a good thing at all. I once had 3 dinghy fleets and 
sent the Lasers reaching up the river a bit to deconflict them with the other 
fleets and I never heard so much whining – we can’t sail on a REACH! It turned 
out you actually can if the RC makes you 
YMMV
Joe
Coquina


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Stus-List Re: Mystic Seaport Wooden Boat Festival

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Damn.  I owe Edd 10 bucks.   Went there today instead of Saturday.Dang 
Hurricanes!

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From: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 2:09:16 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Mystic Seaport Wooden Boat Festival

$10 says he doesn’t show.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B (for sale - NCC-1701-C is under contract)
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Aug 18, 2021, at 1:41 PM, David Risch via CnC-List 
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I will be there!  I will buy the first round!

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:01 PM
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Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Mystic Seaport Wooden Boat Festival

Driving to Mystic Seaport this weekend for the Wooden Boat Festival.
The 12 1/2 Haven from the YouTube channel "Art of Boatbuilding" will be on 
display.

If anyone else is going, we might meet & share a pint at the Spouter Tavern.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
609-703-0790


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Stus-List Re: Mystic Seaport Wooden Boat Festival

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I will be there!  I will buy the first round!

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:01 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Mystic Seaport Wooden Boat Festival

Driving to Mystic Seaport this weekend for the Wooden Boat Festival.
The 12 1/2 Haven from the YouTube channel "Art of Boatbuilding" will be on 
display.

If anyone else is going, we might meet & share a pint at the Spouter Tavern.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
609-703-0790


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Stus-List Re: Intermittent stalling

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I am putting my money on the pickup in the tank.  Pull it and clean it.   If 
tank cruddy need be cleaned to avoid in future.

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From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 11:35:04 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List Intermittent stalling

We are off on a two week cruise.  Second day running the engine starts to 
falter, then stall. I check the Racor, no water.  I did replace the fuel pump 
last year after we ran out of fuel w the fuel tank half full.  But it seemed to 
be fine.

She started and we stopped in a Edmonds to top off the tank, but it only took 7 
g.

She then ran pretty solid for the next 2 hours with only a few issues.

I have  not changed the fuel filters for about 150 hours over two years.

I am thinking that either the filters need replacing or the fuel pump just does 
not lift the fuel enough.

Any help is appreciated.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WAec
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660

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Stus-List B & G Autopilot Error Code...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I have an older B  Pilot autopilot throwing an "INT CMP" error message.  
Manuals are not very clear as to what may be the cause.  Any experience out 
there?

Thanks in advance.

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Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Buck Alconquin.   With PTFE packing material. Foolproof and effective.

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From: Wyatt via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 8:44:09 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Wyatt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box

Ooh interesting, care to say why you want to switch back to traditional?

Thanks,
Wyatt
1979 C

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 8:42 PM Stephen Thorne via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Folks my 1990 34+ has the PSS shaft seal system.  I want to swap it out for a 
traditional stuffing box and am looking for advise on which stuffing box 
manufacturers to look into.  My prop shaft is 1 &1/8” which may be a challenge 
finding a suitable match but hopefully not a big deal.

Thank you

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Stus-List Re: Old Harken Roller II

[David Risch via CnC-List]

FYI. Shipping has gone up appreciably lately.

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 3:19:12 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Old Harken Roller II


Hi Danny



I once sold a complete roller furling assembly off a previous boat.  The one 
thing I learned the hard way is that Loc Tite is used when the foils are 
assembled.  Don’t forget to apply heat to the set screws before removal or it 
may not be so pretty.



I used UPS for the shipping.  Sent along with a RF headsail so shipping was 
something like $150 at the time.



Regards



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS



From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Sent: July 9, 2021 4:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Old Harken Roller II



OK so, Steve Mallet  was the first to respond and he's looking for the lower 
stuff.



I'm in Rehoboth Massachusetts.



I'm sure the foils can be shipped.  Just need a longer box and its all about 
cost from there.



The thing is still completely assembled at the boatyard, in a rack, currently 
in Barrington RI.  I'll have to try and get over there and start pulling it 
apart.



Although, time is always the issue, My boat is now in Mattapoisett Ma in the 
completely opposite direction.



I'll see what I can do about getting it apart.  No one seems to be in a big 
hurry, would these just be spares to have on hand?



I think the first thing to do is get the thing broken down and out of the 
boatyard.  I'll keep you all posted on how that goes.



Danny

-- Original Message --
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Old Harken Roller II
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 16:51:45 + (UTC)



Hi Danny,



I have a Harken II Unit 1



Same as Bruno Spare Connectors and a Foil..would be a great thing to 
have in the parts department.



Cheers



Johnny Wright

1970 C

Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada



On Friday, July 9, 2021, 11:19:32 a.m. EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





HI Guys, I replaced my old harken roller furler with a new Sheafer.



Before I toss it, I thought I'd see if anyone needed any parts.  Maybe I should 
send it to one of the used boat parts places.  At least maybe it could go to 
use rather than being trashed...



I replaced the old harken traveler too.  So, I still have that laying around.



Danny

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Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon

[David Risch via CnC-List]

You da man. Thank you but  keeping my Corsair for continued NE explorations. 
Was just offered more than market.  Nope.  My escape valve.   She is so damned 
pretty.

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From: DJ via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 4:00:19 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: DJ 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon

You can always come sailing with me!

On Jul 8, 2021 12:17 PM, David Risch via CnC-List  wrote:

Waiting for the damned boat yard!



From: DJ via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:28 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: DJ 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon



The boat is in Mattapoisett, MA



I'm about to have lunch with the owner if there are any questions.   I'll get 
the usual info



David?  Where are you these days?  I want to see your new "stink pot!"  LOL



Danny



On Jul 8, 2021 11:19 AM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Where is 37R located?



On Thursday, July 8, 2021, 08:04:26 AM EDT, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





Me too I would like to revive the brand

I curious to see the boat



On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:22 AM Bob Tallman 
mailto:rltall...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Good morning,



37R is for the racing model of that line.

You had:

37+

37 XL

37 R

Note that they are all 40 foot boats, the fun part of a decision to stretch out 
the hull and add more stuff but keep the name.  And most marinas know the model 
is a 40 so not much savings per foot there.



I owned a 37+ center board, she was fast as well, pointing was not so bad since 
the CB was actually a large stainless disk that dropped down, not a traditional 
dagger board.

There were shoal keels and deep fin versions as well.



The R is the race circuit model and yes it is a fast boat.  Nice interior but 
no aft berth, it was a racing setup.  Mid ship berths etc?..



The XL was the blended version.  Had all the creature comforts, taller rig, 
similar to the R, but setup was more cruiser vs. racer.

Great line, just the dang  C window problem but all fixable?.



I moved on to a 121, love C, wish they would magically make one more new run 
of the lines??..



On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 5:45 AM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

That would be great

What does the R stand for?



On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:18 PM Danny via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hello all,



A friend of mine, who is not on the list,  is about to list his beautiful C 
37r for sale.



I don't know all the details yet but, i do know it's been very well cared for, 
is in great condition, and is really fast!



I've been on this boat a number of times.  It's in really great shape!



Let me know if there are any questions I can get answers to.



I'll get year and price and such soon.  I just thought i would throw this out 
there in case anyone was looking or knew someone that might be interested.



Thanks,

Danny

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Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Waiting for the damned boat yard!

From: DJ via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:28 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: DJ 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon

The boat is in Mattapoisett, MA

I'm about to have lunch with the owner if there are any questions.   I'll get 
the usual info

David?  Where are you these days?  I want to see your new "stink pot!"  LOL

Danny

On Jul 8, 2021 11:19 AM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Where is 37R located?

On Thursday, July 8, 2021, 08:04:26 AM EDT, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Me too I would like to revive the brand
I curious to see the boat

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:22 AM Bob Tallman 
mailto:rltall...@verizon.net>> wrote:
Good morning,

37R is for the racing model of that line.
You had:
37+
37 XL
37 R
Note that they are all 40 foot boats, the fun part of a decision to stretch out 
the hull and add more stuff but keep the name.  And most marinas know the model 
is a 40 so not much savings per foot there.

I owned a 37+ center board, she was fast as well, pointing was not so bad since 
the CB was actually a large stainless disk that dropped down, not a traditional 
dagger board.
There were shoal keels and deep fin versions as well.

The R is the race circuit model and yes it is a fast boat.  Nice interior but 
no aft berth, it was a racing setup.  Mid ship berths etc?..

The XL was the blended version.  Had all the creature comforts, taller rig, 
similar to the R, but setup was more cruiser vs. racer.
Great line, just the dang  C window problem but all fixable?.

I moved on to a 121, love C, wish they would magically make one more new run 
of the lines??..

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 5:45 AM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
That would be great
What does the R stand for?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:18 PM Danny via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello all,

A friend of mine, who is not on the list,  is about to list his beautiful C 
37r for sale.

I don't know all the details yet but, i do know it's been very well cared for, 
is in great condition, and is really fast!

I've been on this boat a number of times.  It's in really great shape!

Let me know if there are any questions I can get answers to.

I'll get year and price and such soon.  I just thought i would throw this out 
there in case anyone was looking or knew someone that might be interested.

Thanks,
Danny
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Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Racing version.   3 or 4 different models.  I too know the boat.  Very clean 
and lightly used.

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From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 5:45:55 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37r coming to market soon

That would be great
What does the R stand for?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:18 PM Danny via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello all,

A friend of mine, who is not on the list,  is about to list his beautiful C 
37r for sale.

I don't know all the details yet but, i do know it's been very well cared for, 
is in great condition, and is really fast!

I've been on this boat a number of times.  It's in really great shape!

Let me know if there are any questions I can get answers to.

I'll get year and price and such soon.  I just thought i would throw this out 
there in case anyone was looking or knew someone that might be interested.

Thanks,
Danny
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Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.

[David Risch via CnC-List]

OK.  I'll be the jerk here.

I am still confused as to why he did not know whether BMD would or would not 
take him before he disembarked.  And why he just did not sail back to port when 
he found out he could not enter.

Being rescued because your tired?

If I was the owner of that very-large-expensive-ship-to-run-and-stop I would be 
scratching my head...

From: cenelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 5:41 PM
To: Randal Stafford ; Stus-List 

Cc: cenelson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.

Thank you-knowing that, it is amazing that he was able to stand on the rescue 
ship per the video!!


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iOS

On Thursday, July 1, 2021, 2:19 PM, Randal Stafford 
mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>> wrote:
At 2:20 in the video a voice says the captain is very tired and has been at sea 
for at least 7 days.  The document at 17:19 says Mr. Steeby left Virginia 5 
June, arrived Bermuda 11 June and was refused entry.  It says after three days 
of drifting in bad weather he was lost.  So that would have been 14 June.  I 
agree that from what could be seen on the video the boat looked operative.  
Maybe he sought help out of exhaustion.

I arrived in Bermuda on June 16th to crew the delivery of Joel Aronson's Hylas 
44 Atlantis back to the US June 17-22.  Joel had sailed Atlantis to Bermuda a 
couple weeks before that with four aboard.  For months in advance Joel and the 
delivery crew had been monitoring and discussing Bermuda's COVID-related entry 
requirements (by sea and air).  Yes, it was a stringent process that required 
fast turnaround of pre-departure PCR tests and travel authorization 
applications.  Given the weather we encountered on several days of our passage 
(with a crew of five, split into watches), I imagine it would have been 
extremely exhausting for Mr. Steeby to have been sailing solo for nine or more 
days.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #79
Ken Caryl, CO


On Jul 1, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I could not determine from the video what went wrong that the skipper required 
rescue--I could see exhaust from Jenny on the video and the sails looked 
fine--although the spreaders may have been damaged while she was tied up to the 
BIG ship.

Anyone know the "...rest of the story..."?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C XL/kcb

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To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 1:30 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.
Wow, I was just out there 3 days after that. I did the return leg of the 
Bermuda 1-2. Flex in on 6/14 from Boston. It was a process getting the Travel 
Authorization. Submitting you're your online application with evidence of a 
vacine card and PCR test two days before I left and then another before you are 
allowed to leave the airport. Then quarantine in your room until they email 
you. (I must be honest me and another friend that was returning on another boat 
had a nice rental apartment and we had another Skipper drop-off beer and 
steaks, thanks to Tom Kent on Kent Racing a Class 40).

They had just opened up inside dining the week before we got there and the 
whole island is still very much where we were back a few months ago. But still 
my favorite place and my 5th 1-2. Hoping to go on my boat someday but she will 
need some big upgrades! I was on a very nicely equipped Tartan 35 but one thing 
it did not have was a second autopilot and yup the inevitable happened and we 
steered close to 700 miles by hand! 8 days later and finally feel normal again.

From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 12:37 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Randal Stafford 
mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Rescue at sea.

So I assume S/V Jenny is adrift somewhere in the North Atlantic?  It was tough 
to see her hull and spreaders banging into that tanker.  I wonder what will 
become of the boat - how long it can stay afloat, where it will end up.

I guess eventually the guy would have run out of water and provisions.

Cheers,
Randy

On Jun 30, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

We left Virginia 3 days after this guy!

Bermuda requires a covid travel authorization and test, but I'm shocked they 
refused entry.  However, they are Covid-paranoid, as almost every case they 
have seen has 

Stus-List Re: Dorade vent replacement

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Richard I replaced both cowl vents with stainless low profile vents.   Looks 
great till you lose one.  Had s/s guards fabricated and have not one since then.

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com; Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Dorade vent replacement

I have found that the best solution is to remove the vents when sailing; they 
are easy enough to stow when under way, and can be placed when at the the dock;

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices
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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2021 2:33 pm
Subject: Stus-List Dorade vent replacement
My 85 37 has the traditional cowl vents on the dorade boxes. Jib sheet caught 
one and tossed it in the drink yesterday, motivating me to upgrade to a low 
profile vent that will fit the 7" space. Nicro and Marinco make a nice mini 
solar vent that will fit, but I think these are designed for direct thru-deck 
application, not a dorade box.
What solutions have you folks found for a low profile vent?
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Stus-List Re: Standing rigging replacement

[David Risch via CnC-List]

If the turnbuckle threads are disintegrating (verify)…minimally have the rig 
removed, turnbuckles replaced  and rig x-rayed.  Re-heading and new turnbuckles 
may be all you need.   That being said  you may as well go the whole route if 
you are doing all that anyway.

IMHO…I think rod is over-replaced.  Cycling loads, bad bends, and other obvious 
factors aside.  This is one of those topics where everyone has an opinion.

FYI… my 1981 had its rigged surveyed (insurance) 3X for offshore (Bermuda) and 
all good.  I believe it’s the original rig and will be replacing for next race.



From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Standing rigging replacement

Hey everyone--especially those on this list whose boats are approaching 'old 
age!'

My 1995 C 36 XL/kcb is now 26 years old and has been in brackish water for 
her entire life--which has been either at the dock or club racing in the NC 
sounds where the air is mostly light and the heat is often oppressive. I am 
faced with a decision on what, if anything, to do about her standing rigging, 
which is all original rod except for the forestay which was replaced with wire 
when I snapped the rod during a racing adventure--the headsail was furled at 
the time so the rig did not come down!

A local, seemingly knowledgeable rigger, has recommend that all the standing 
rigging be replaced after he did a rig inspection a few weeks ago. (He aborted 
an attempt at tuning the rig when he realized that the threads on one of the 
turn-buckles were disintegrating during his adjustments.) The cost to replace 
with rod per his estimate is ~ $7500 plus some yard fees to un-step and re-step 
the mast so I am looking at about $8k for the job, without replacing some mast 
hardware (Tides track, steaming light, radio cable and antenna, etc.) while the 
mast is down.

I realize that after 26 years, the rigging might need attention, that is why I 
had him do the inspection. OTOH, I also understand that it is in his own 
self-interest to replace the rig. The rod will be done in Rhode Island but he 
will be doing all the other stuff. The old joke '...if the only tool you have 
is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail..' comes to mind. I am also a firm 
believer in the saying 'tools not rules...' so I am reluctant to just 
replace something because of a 'recommendation' based on what often is more 
tradition than fact.

Since many on the list have boats even older than mine, I am curious what the 
list has to say about rod rigging replacement versus age, intended use and 
cruising/racing waters involved. Of course I'd prefer the rig not come down 
around my ears, even in the NC sounds, but I have no plans to take her 
off-shore, except for possible short hops to deliver her to racing venues 
(CRW). OTOH, the boat bucks involved are probably about 20% of the boat's 
current value which I will unlikely recover when I sell her, new rigging or not.

Thanks in advance,

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb




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Stus-List Re: Insurance for Older Boats

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Reach out to Charlie, who insures my 1985 49’ Gulfstar - Charlie Bailey of 
Novamar char...@novamar.net

Or Kevin Malloy who insures my 1981 40’ C & C - Kevin Malloy 
kmal...@delandgibson.com

None of the depreciating BS, you may need a survey however…



From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 5:01 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance for Older Boats

I know this most probably won't help any of you but my one lingering benefit of 
military service is my 47 year USAA membership.  My boat policy dates from when 
I purchased Touche' in 1999.  It is underwritten by USAA, not their partner 
Progressive.  The adjuster was even surprised that it was an old legacy policy.

When Touche' was damaged in Hurricane Sally last year, the policy paid 100% of 
the repairs including haul out.  Once I received the repair estimate from the 
yard, USAA electronically transferred the funds to me within a day or two.

A buddy of mine had a USAA policy underwritten by Progressive.  His experience, 
while good, wasn't as good as mine.

While I might save a few bucks on my premium by shopping around, I really don't 
think I can beat the coverage.

My point here is don't just shop for low premiums.  Look hard at the coverage.  
Are there deductibles?  Is it new for old?  Is there depreciation involved?  
Does it drop during named storms?  My feeling is marine policies vary 
tremendously.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Deck hold -down?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

There would not be as these deck straps were installed in the 1980s boats, e.g. 
mine is 1981.

From: Donald Kern via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 10:49 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Donald Kern 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Deck hold -down?

Like Shawn's boat mine is also C 35 Mk2 (1974), but there is no indications 
of deck straps ever being installed.  Two years ago I removed the failed 
holding tank from its outboard location behind the outboard mahogany paneling. 
This required removing most of the head cabinetry, all of which was unattached 
to the overhead and only floating in the overhead's channels.  The only item 
that appears to secure the deck away from the the toe-rail are the hang tangs 
that are thru bolted to the mast.  The mast was removed since the boat winters 
in my side yard.  Also re-tabbed all the forward v-berth structures, since 
three quarters of the screws had worked loose due to hull flexing.  Yes the 
boat creaks when sailing, but after 40 years of sailing her you ignore that 
noise (also failing hearing??).

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI
On 6/9/2021 10:15 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
My 35 mk2 apparently had these, but they have been removed. I have not seen a 
close up of any boats that still had them, so would be interested in some 
photos. I don't see any signs that anything was done to replace them with any 
kind if adhesive; the holes are just filled on the deck. The bulkheads do creak 
a bit as they move in the channels in the fiberglass liner, while under sail in 
a sea, or as they deck expands and contracts in the morning and evening, but I 
don't know if the straps would have made a difference for this. The space you 
describe under the deck pad may indicate a problem, although I can't imagine 
why this would happen, unless the deck is cored at that point and has 
collapsed, but 5/16" is quite a lot.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:25 AM Rod Fisk via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a C 36-1. There are stainless strap assemblies bolted through the main 
bulkhead  port and starboard. These are welded to stainless pads bolted through 
the deck. I have removed the mounting bolts and the holes in the bulkhead are 
not elongated yet there is a gap of about 5/16" under the plate on the deck 
above. What is this for? I am guessing a deck hold--down, yet the deck appears 
to be firmly in contact with the bulkhead below. Has anyone else seen this? 
What have you done about it?

Thanks

Rod Fisk
C 36 Corsair
Oshkosh, WI

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Stus-List Re: Deck hold -down?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

In lieu of “gluing” the decks to the bulkheads (Rob Ball can better explain, 
but apparently boats were “breaking” when run aground…they thought this method 
would provide a bit of give).

Your problem of a proud horizontal deck piece?   Never encountered that.  But 
they are a constant target of leak management (re-bedding ).

From: Rod Fisk via CnC-List 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Stus-List Deck hold -down?

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I have a C 36-1. There are stainless strap assemblies bolted through the main 
bulkhead  port and starboard. These are welded to stainless pads bolted through 
the deck. I have removed the mounting bolts and the holes in the bulkhead are 
not elongated yet there is a gap of about 5/16" under the plate on the deck 
above. What is this for? I am guessing a deck hold--down, yet the deck appears 
to be firmly in contact with the bulkhead below. Has anyone else seen this? 
What have you done about it?

Thanks

Rod Fisk
C 36 Corsair
Oshkosh, WI

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Stus-List Re: teak ladder treads

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Newport Nautical in RI has hunks of teak of almost perfect size ($8 per?) that 
I table topped sawed out treads then had bottoms routed half the diameter of 
the bar.   Countersunk bolts in tread thru ladder with acorns nuts.   They 
still have teak.

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From: Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 8:19:37 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Nate Flesness 
Subject: Stus-List teak ladder treads

Want to add steps to existing stern boarding ladder. Admiral wants teak steps.
Looks like they are available in Europe, but here all I can find are teak deck 
steps, not ladder rung steps. Anyone know of a source, or failing that, a good 
design I can make myself, attaching by ss hose clamps?

Nate

1980 C 30-1
St, Croix River Hudson WI

1994 Tartan 31
Cornucopia, WI

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Stus-List Re: Edson Acquired

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Last I knew.

From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 3:53 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Acquired

What about Rob Ball?  Is he still there?



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 1:51:56 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Edson Acquired


Oh well, looks like they will be in caring hands.



Edson Marine, the New Bedford, Mass.-based manufacturer of marine pumps, 
steering systems and a wide range of accessories has been acquired, the company 
said in a 
statement,
 by Chip Johns.

A one-time owner of Vanguard Sailboats and former member of the Sail America's 
Board of Directors, Johns' involvement in the marine industry dates back well 
over three decades.

"Edson will continue to keep its roots firmly planted in quality, customer 
service and innovation," Johns said. "[We] have an exceptional team, with an 
unrivaled product line and reputation that we will continue to make even 
better."

The company, which was founded in 1859, was acquired from the Keene family - 
the elder Henry and his two sons, Will and Hank, have been with Edson for more 
than 60 years.

CEO Adam Cove, who joined Edson in 2016, will remain on board.

"I am excited about the passion and expertise Chip Johns brings to the 
company," said Cove. "He has all the tools and experience to lead Edson into 
its next chapter."


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Stus-List Re: Edson Acquired

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I have known Chip for years.  Good for the Keanes, good for Chip and good for 
us.

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To: 'Stus-List' 
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Subject: Stus-List Edson Acquired


Oh well, looks like they will be in caring hands.



Edson Marine, the New Bedford, Mass.-based manufacturer of marine pumps, 
steering systems and a wide range of accessories has been acquired, the company 
said in a 
statement,
 by Chip Johns.

A one-time owner of Vanguard Sailboats and former member of the Sail America’s 
Board of Directors, Johns’ involvement in the marine industry dates back well 
over three decades.

“Edson will continue to keep its roots firmly planted in quality, customer 
service and innovation,” Johns said. “[We] have an exceptional team, with an 
unrivaled product line and reputation that we will continue to make even 
better.”

The company, which was founded in 1859, was acquired from the Keene family — 
the elder Henry and his two sons, Will and Hank, have been with Edson for more 
than 60 years.

CEO Adam Cove, who joined Edson in 2016, will remain on board.

“I am excited about the passion and expertise Chip Johns brings to the 
company,” said Cove. “He has all the tools and experience to lead Edson into 
its next chapter.”


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Stus-List Re: An Introduction

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Welcome Hans.  Ignore the UFO believers.  We just humor them and they 
eventually settle down.

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From: M. Hans Liebert via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:33:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: M. Hans Liebert 
Subject: Stus-List An Introduction

Hello Skippers,

Thank you for allowing us to join the group. We are on the hard for the summer, 
repairing our storm damaged boat. For now, Ill just share, we have not had any 
UFO sounds aboard.

~Hans
SV Inconceivable
Corvette 31 #138
Brooklyn, NY
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Stus-List Re: 3HM35F oil capacity puzzle

[David Risch via CnC-List]

When I removed the oil pan on my 3QM30 to extract a dropped "whatnot" during my 
upper job the oil pan was empty.  I use the old suck it out the dipstick 
method.  Surprised me as to how much is not there.

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From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 1:15:44 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jim Watts 
Subject: Stus-List Re: 3HM35F oil capacity puzzle

This may help...I took the oil pan off our 3GM30F because I lost a piece of 
tape off the oil extractor hose when it was in the dipstick tube. (Yes, I know 
I'm an idiot).
I discovered that the oil extractor hose actually hits the top of the suction 
thingy on the bottom of the engine, so it never actually gets near the bottom 
unless you are really lucky. It really does take 2.6 litres of oil, which I 
verified when I refilled it. I have almost never got more than 2 litres out/in 
on a regular oil change. I seriously considered putting a banjo fitting on the 
bottom of the oil pan so I could drain it from the bottom, but I got nervous 
about drilling a large hole into an expensive aluminum casting and chickened 
out.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Sun, 16 May 2021 at 17:57, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I can't recall exactly but if you asked me how much oil I buy in preps for an 
oil change I would have said 6 qts without even thinking about it.  I use a 
hand vacuum pump but can't recall it's capacity.  As I recall it was the larger 
of the 2 Moeller models at the time when I bought it.  The suction hoses have a 
metal rod inside which allows you to pre-bend the tube to better suck hard to 
reach area.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Yanmar 3HM35F
Solomons, MD

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:18 Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Every time I change oil on Alera I check the engine spec for the Yanmar 3HM35F 
that calls for 5.7 quarts.  I have never been able to get more than 4 quarts 
out or in.

I use an electric pump extractor via the dip stick hole.  I understand that the 
angle of the engine on my 37+ results in the oil laying at the aft end of the 
pan and try to make sure the tube gats all the way back there.

Anyone else been able to replace over 4 quarts!

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660

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Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

[David Risch via CnC-List]

For you Rob?   Absolutely.   Just give me a heads up at to your ETA.

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 9:55 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Mazza 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

Hm, I hope to be down in Marion sometime this summer, once the Canadian/US 
border reopens. I need to pick up a classic 1948 International Fourteen Foot 
Dinghy being donated to the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes in Kingston, ON. 
If nobody else wants this kellet and float in the meantime, can you hang on to 
them until then? Asking a lot I know.

Rob

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:34 AM David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Sorry Marion, MA

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 8:02 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

David,

Where are you located?

Rob

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Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Sorry Marion, MA

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 8:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Mazza 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

David,

Where are you located?

Rob

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if interested.

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Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Marion...

From: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 8:02 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Mazza 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Free anchor kellet and location float

David,

Where are you located?

Rob

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Any takers?   Maybe a bit costly to ship because of the weight (10 lbs).   Pics 
if interested.

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Stus-List Free anchor kellet and location float

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Any takers?   Maybe a bit costly to ship because of the weight (10 lbs).   Pics 
if interested.

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Stus-List A fun video...

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...about a great boat, done by a fun guy, in a great location!


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Stus-List Re: Stu's Zoom meeting

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Tick tock Edd.   Tick tock

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From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:17:05 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Stu's Zoom meeting

What a shock. Risch is a no-show for a C Rendezvous…..

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL










On Apr 23, 2021, at 1:15 PM, David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Ugh.  Missed it.  Was it recorded?

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 10:03:01 PM
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Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Stus-List Stu's Zoom meeting

Hi Stu,

Just wanted to thank you for tonight's zoom meeting.  It was fun to see fellow 
C'ers and JohnKelly's show and tell.
Interesting to see that big tow model of Evergreen and the sailing dinghy, 
Water Rat, and hear his stories about his Dad.

Thanks Stu for taking the time to do these Zoom meetings and I hope everyone 
gets a chance to join one and meet other owners and share their unique stories. 
 It's a great community.

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Stus-List Re: Stu's Zoom meeting

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Ugh.  Missed it.  Was it recorded?

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 10:03:01 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
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Subject: Stus-List Stu's Zoom meeting

Hi Stu,

Just wanted to thank you for tonight's zoom meeting.  It was fun to see fellow 
C'ers and JohnKelly's show and tell.
Interesting to see that big tow model of Evergreen and the sailing dinghy, 
Water Rat, and hear his stories about his Dad.

Thanks Stu for taking the time to do these Zoom meetings and I hope everyone 
gets a chance to join one and meet other owners and share their unique stories. 
 It's a great community.

Chuck
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Stus-List Re: Removing lettering

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Works a charm

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 7:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Removing lettering

3M makes a type of rubber wheel you put in a drill and use to rub off adhesive 
lettering.  Apparently they work well.

Google "3M Stripe Off Wheel"  There are videos out there showing how they work. 
 They use them at work to strip decals off municipal vehicles, including police 
cars, before we auction them off.  Some of these vehicles have had those decals 
on for more than 10 years and they come right off.  You can still see where the 
decals had been, but only because the original paint is in better condition 
where the decals were, protecting it.

Ken H.

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 16:18, Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Oh great and powerful list .  I need to remove some lettering (adhesive) to 
change my home port, etc.

Suggestions?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Dave S via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 7:26:41 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dave S mailto:syerd...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Glassing Over Instrument Holes Through Double Bulkheads

I had a look at that video - not a bad approach,  would add that it’s easier to 
layup the disks and other patches each onto a sheet of waxed paper then lift 
that into place rather than lifting the messy epoxy patch itself.  If you are 
making 4 patches, stack 4 sheets of waxed paper in your layupboard before you 
start.   Put the precut glass in the stack too, you avoid handling things with 
sticky gloves. It’s also easier to lay up multiple layers on the 
board/paper than doing one at a time.
When I updated the instruments on Windstar I replaced two B displays with one 
ray marine, leaving one hole.  I elected not to fill the extra hole but made a 
plexiglass cover the same shape and footprint of the new instrument.  It’s 
ready should I wish to add a second display,  it looks fine to me and was a lot 
less work.
http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/search/label/Electrical%20and%20Electronics?updated-max=2020-09-01T06:50:00-04:00=20=5=false=1

Remember also that epoxy will stick to polyester but the reverse isn’t true - 
should you wish to use gelcoat to finish the repair you should bear this in 
mind.  I’ve always felt that once you start painting the deck or mixing 
materials you were heading down a slippery cosmetic slope.

Dave 33-2 windstar
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On Apr 21, 2021, at 7:02 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Another option, if it makes sense both inside the boat and outside in the 
location where the instruments are coming out, is to install a small port 
(window).

Ken H.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 19:25, Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Glass over the outside hole, and hang a picture over the inside.



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Doug Mountjoy
Port Orchard YC
Port Orchard,  WA
Rebecca Leah
1988 LF39


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From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
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Date: 4/20/21 14:39 (GMT-08:00)
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Randal Stafford 
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Subject: Stus-List Glassing Over Instrument Holes Through Double Bulkheads

Listers-

Grenadine is getting an instrument system update this year and, as part of 
that, I’ll eventually want to glass over previous instrument holes in the aft 
cabin wall.

Last night I watched this video 
https://youtu.be/T4OHQDs8NKk,
 which is good, but seems to assume only a single bulkhead - i.e. the “liner” 
inside the cabin is not there, or is cut away (such as in the video) providing 
access to the inside of the fiberglass cabin wall.

Does anyone here know how to neatly glass over the hole in both the exterior 
wall and the interior liner?  If there’s no good / easy / neat way to do it, 
I’ll follow the video above for the exterior wall, then just cover the hole in 
the liner 

Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Even my $500 Navtec Guy got it wrong.  Charged me again the next season after 
it failed as it was beyond warranty.  Right...


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From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:28:53 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free

I have never taken a hydraulic backstay adjuster apart so have no firsthand 
knowledge of whether an adjuster is similar to a tractor hydraulic system or 
not.  Surely the principle is the same.  All I can go by is what I am told by 
marina repair technicians that I trust.  The guys at Toressen Marine, who I and 
many others have a high level of trust in, told me that an adjuster should not 
be repaired by an ordinary hydraulics repair shop.  They are not the same.  
They explained that, during training of technicians, after about the 6th 
rebuild, they trainees get it right.  They had my adjuster for a week and could 
not get the proper seal kit from NavTec anymore, so gave it back.  A tractor 
guy would have put off the shelf seals in that weren't designed for the unit 
and you get what you get.

So, FWIW, as I commented before, be careful where you save money.  This is an 
important and expensive piece of hardware.

Jeff Laman
1981 C "Harmony"
Ludington, Mi


From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:18 AM
To: Stus-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Navtec Hydraulic backstay adjuster, soon to be free


Back in the day the local hydraulic shop worked on these and autopilot rams for 
us at “farmer and bulldozer driver” prices, not boat prices. They are not all 
that different than anyone else’s hydraulics.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina


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Stus-List Re: Auto pilot???

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Dont scrimp on install.   Make sure it has a rudder indicator.   When done 
right its your new best friend.

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From: Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 11:11:23 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ted_reli...@yahoo.com 
Subject: Stus-List Auto pilot???

I am looking for suggestions on an auto pilot for our 40-2. I don't think the 
Raymarine wheel pilot will work good enough. Anybody got suggestions on either 
s wheel mount or a quadrant mount. What do you use???  Also I would like to be 
able to connect to my B Zues3 down the line.  Thanks for any input.
Ted
Ten-Ten
Punta Gorda,Fl.

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Stus-List Re: Information

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Relinda I have had hull # 121 for 15 years.  Do reach out if you have specific 
questions.

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From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 1:29:02 PM
To: ted_relinda--- via CnC-List ; ted_reli...@yahoo.com 

Cc: Don Kern 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Information

Ted,

Magic Dragon (HIN: ZCC40117M81F) was a USCG documented vessel # 637267 which 
had it's last Certificate of Document (COD) issued in 1999.  You should be able 
to get a copy of the original documentation from  USCG's National Vessel 
Documentation Center < 
https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/
 
>
  To do so apply for an "Abstract of Title" (CG-1332) for $25.00 and it will 
provide the original seller, owner(s) and home port(s) up to 1999.  Can you 
provide me with her current name, home berth and Yacht Club ?
Hope this helps.

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 4/9/2021 8:33 AM, ted_relinda--- via CnC-List wrote:
We are hoping that maybe there is a  member who remembers our vessel.  She is a 
1981 C 40-2 hull # 117. We believe she was manufactured under the name of 
Magic Dragon, due to the location of name on build parts. We aquired her when 
she was donated  to our local sailing center. There was no paperwork other than 
the owners manual with her and a receipt for batteries.  There is an indication 
that she was in the NE area possibly New Jersey. Any information on her that we 
can get would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you-. Relinda

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Stus-List Re: Red Jacket video tonight with Rob Mazza

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Has anybody found the recording link?   Thanks in advance.

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 1:28 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Stus-List Red Jacket video tonight with Rob Mazza

Not sure if this was mentioned here, but I saw it on the FB group, and just 
registered. They will have a recording link if you're unable to view it live. 
(7pm EDT)

https://www.canadahelps.org/en/charities/marine-museum-of-the-great-lakes-at-kingston/events/rob-mazza/


--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Stus-List Re: um From richard - now Airhead

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I hope you not sourcing water from that port water tank.  Was told to never 
source fresh water flush from a tank you may be using for consumption, washing 
etc.  I plumbed a fresh water flush via sink drain "T".   Easily found on 
internet.

From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 3:40 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: From richard - now Airhead

Perhaps another route to consider is converting to a fresh water system. On our 
new boat a previous owner converted the sea-water Lavac vacuum head to 
freshwater, the source being the port side water tank. Seems to be very good at 
keeping the odor down although we haven't had the boat through a summer season 
yet.

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
Reedville, VA


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Note to self - keep old head.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:13 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>; 
Neil Andersen 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: From richard - now Airhead

FYI.  As a broker, we are finding that composting head make a boat harder to 
sell.

Neil Andersen
S Yachts
443-321-1969
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