Re: [MBZ] Bathtub and bell curves
Robert, "Clear as mud". Understanding MTBF is the reason I searched for a 70's Corvette with about 50,000 miles on the clock when I decided to buy one. Even though my Vette is a 1977, I know that all of the major modules and assemblies are in decent shape. The rubber parts are another story. Mercedes on the other hand are much better designed & I have no problem purchasing one with 200,000 miles on the clock, providing everything (and I mean everything) works when I buy the car. I understand that some assemblies are approaching end of life but I also know that quite a few have been replaced & quite a few will go another 100,000 miles or so. I also don't have a problem with putting a Mercedes with 200,000 miles on the clock on the road, but only after I've gone over all of the systems. Compare the 1977 Corvette to the 3 - 5 year water heater & a same year Mercedes to the 12 year water heater discussed earlier. By the way, a bell curve & bathtub curve do not complement each other. A bathtub curve tends to be more one sided, with most failures on the tail end. A bell curve is balanced. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Bigham Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:02 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Bathtub and bell curves The question of how long a light bulb lasts is used in several introductory books on statistics. How long does a light bulb last? A truthful answer is "It varies." But people tend to want a single number. Maybe the average. As applied to this problem, the bell curve plots bulb life (in hours or some unit of time) against number of bulbs in the sample that last so long before failing. The bathtub curve plots bulb life against number of bulbs failing at some particular life. The curves are something of complements of each other; at any life the two add up to 100% of the bulbs in the experiment. Some fail out of the box.or early, then few fail, then at the end, all survivors finally fail. Conversely, only a few last a short time, many last something like the average life, and only a few last into light bulb old age. Clear as mud? Robert > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:17:16 -0400 > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > > > > Man, that gives me flashbacks of the statistics class I took to get my > > bachelor's degree recently. Is the bathtub curve the bell curve? > > More like the antithesis of the bell curve. A 'normal distribution' bell > curve peaks at the mean and drops off on both sides. The 'bathtub' as he > describes it, has peaks on both ends and a wide trough in the middle. > Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Finally...Interlock Unlocked
All, It took a while, but I was finally able to disable the disfunctional starter interlock on the 74 240D. The wiring diagram for the interlock circuitry shows a rat's nest of switches, lines and connectors. The actual interlock relay is embedded inside the 10-pin box under the dash. But it can be defeated by grounding pin 85 in the starter relay on the firewall above the starter (as suggested by a fellow lister). Very simple. The car can be started again, and everything appears to be working fine. Thanks, Bruce 82 300CD 348kmi 'His' 85 300CD 253kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' gone to a better place 74 240D 79kmi 'Orangewagen' 73 220D 'Fnu Lnu' - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
The amount of use makes a difference - just like miles on a car. We're on our second Maytag - and I've had to repair both of them. With four kids, we've washed a LOT of clothes. Both washers had seals damaged by stuff from kids pockets that got into them, then the water either corrodes what's left of the sealing rings - letting grease into the washer, or the water mixes with the grease in the tranny and kills it. Maytag was purchased by one of the "Chevy's" of appliances, so we won't be buying another one. Our Maytag drier is 29 years old, and sounds like it's on it's last legs. I'll be buying both soon - this OT discussion is timely - probably an expensive front loader after reading all the comments. On 8/4/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that one of my grandmothers has never had anything done to it. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
yep, mine does nothing. Im going to get into it tomorrow I suppose. John Robbins wrote: > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> I also noticed while idling, if you run the engine ad various RPM, >> the flap deal on the turbo outlet never moved at all. On any other >> 2.5 I have seen, it seems to move back and forth at various times if >> you rev it up and/or down while sitting there. > > I can't really help much except to confirm this. Even have a video of it... > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4605726731024330225 > > Your leak comment sounds about right... IIRC, the computer is smart > enough to know that there aren't enough EGR gases being recirculated > (from the EGR valve or the throttle not working) to cut off boost (by > opening up the wastegate at all times). > > John > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
that one of my grandmothers has never had anything done to it. Hendrik wrote: > Anything can fail but the question is can it be repaired economically. > Strange how people put up with cars breaking down but if a washing > machine decides to go down after 6 years people are in shock. > > Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: >> Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag >> washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she >> died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have >> had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I >> wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. >> >> --- >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] RE: 78 240D Making Odd Noise
Which is why I do BOTH when doing wheel bearings. LWB250 wrote: > I had a 108 one time (1970 280S) that had the absolute > worst rumbling sound in the front end. It was coming > from the left front (driver's side) and was most > certainly a bad wheel bearing. > > I changed the LF wheel bearing and adjusted to spec > with a dial indicator. > > The front end still rumbled. > > I went over that thing with a fine tooth comb and was > never able to pin it down. A month after I bought it > someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse on it, and > I sold it with full disclosure. > > Found out a few weeks later it was the *right* front > wheel bearing that was bad, but for soime reason the > noise transmitted through the suspension and sounded > like it was coming from the left front. > > Lesson learned. > > Dan > > > > --- James Zavesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Check the front wheel bearings. >> >> James Zavesky >> > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all > the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
this motor is VERY quiet, cant hardly tell its a diesel(like all 2.5T's should be) Peter Frederick wrote: > Check the turbo and the waste gate control (electronic? If so, the > transducer is likely bad, no boost!) > > Make sure you have good fuel delivery to the IP, too -- the hoses on > the suction side can crack and leak air in -- lotsa knock and lousy > power. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC bungholery
Yea, that too, could be low.
Peter Frederick wrote:
> Way low on freon -- high side at 70F and 1500 rpm with compressor
> engaged should be about 250 psi. The other choice is a bad compressor,
> but you should have more pressure than that in the low side if the
> compressor is bad. May have a bad low pressure cutout switch (or it's
> wired around) too.
>
> The evaporator can be cleaned by removing the blower and spraying it
> with evaporator cleaner (don't use anything that can corrode aluminum).
> Likely the screed over it is packed solid with crap.
>
> You do NOT want to remove the evaporator if it is not indeed
> leaking.
>
> On Aug 4, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:
>
>> So, my AC ('87 300TD) seems to be experiencing multiple failure modes.
>> One
>> is the weak output of the fan. The other is the weak output of
>> cooling. I
>> suspect the former is due to clogged evaporator coils, which apparently
>> can't be rectified short of a complete dash removal. The fan appears
>> (by
>> the sound of it) to be working at normal speeds.
>>
>> The latter issue is more mystifying. Here are the symptoms:
>>
>>- Low side readings = 50 psi
>>- High side readings = 65 psi
>>- Vent temps = 50 degrees @ ~70 degrees ambient
>>- Compressor engages, yet doesn't cycle off and on as I'd suspect if
>>there were a low charge level.
>>- sight glass is cloudy
>>
>> Any thoughts? Any at all?
>>
>> --
>> Casey
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Wonder how much them things are. Maybe I should try some used ones first. Peter Frederick wrote: > Kaleb: > > Pull a vaccum on the supply line. If it won't hold, the transducer is > toast. I'd replace both of them, it's been known to fix the problem > right up (or all three -- EGR, flap, and turbo boost control). > > If any one of the three is bad, the computer goes to "limp" mode, self > explanatory. > > Peter > > On Aug 4, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> Well, I check the alda line, it seems fine. On this car is a little >> different than the 91. It comes out of the intake, goes to a Y, one of >> the Y's go to the ALDA, the other Y goes to a pressure sensor by the >> battery. Does not have the cutoff switch in between. I pulled the >> codes and it had one for EGR actuator/transducer something or other, >> one >> for rack position sensor, and one for starter ring gear sensor. >> Cleared >> the code for EGR, but no matter what I did I couldnt get the other 2 to >> clear, even after unhooking the battery for a while. I also noticed >> while idling, if you run the engine ad various RPM, the flap deal on >> the >> turbo outlet never moved at all. On any other 2.5 I have seen, it >> seems >> to move back and forth at various times if you rev it up and/or down >> while sitting there. No code set for that but something doesnt seem >> right. I do know when my other one I had, if you had any sort of vacuum >> leak you had zero power. I suspect there is a leak somewhere. >> >> Anybody know how to test all those switchover valves, and vacuum >> transducers/actuators whatever they are over on the passenger side? >> >> OK Don wrote: >>> When mine were leaking, they left a mess on top of the IP, left a >>> distinct Diesel odor as you walked by the car, and it required >>> significantly more cranking to start in the AM. I didn't notice any >>> change in power after replacing them on either the 603 or the 602 >>> engine. >>> >> -- >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK >> 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, >> 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 >> Euro, >> 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC bungholery
Well the evaporator is easy to clean. Just pull the fan and its right
there. Takes all of 10 minutes at most to get it removed.
On the pressures, sounds like your compressor is not compressing to me.
Zeitgeist wrote:
> So, my AC ('87 300TD) seems to be experiencing multiple failure modes. One
> is the weak output of the fan. The other is the weak output of cooling. I
> suspect the former is due to clogged evaporator coils, which apparently
> can't be rectified short of a complete dash removal. The fan appears (by
> the sound of it) to be working at normal speeds.
>
> The latter issue is more mystifying. Here are the symptoms:
>
>- Low side readings = 50 psi
>- High side readings = 65 psi
>- Vent temps = 50 degrees @ ~70 degrees ambient
>- Compressor engages, yet doesn't cycle off and on as I'd suspect if
>there were a low charge level.
>- sight glass is cloudy
>
> Any thoughts? Any at all?
>
--
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94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D,
90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 240D water pump
In a message dated 8/4/2007 3:33:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The water pump on my 83 240D is dripping. Rusty sells 2 different kinds, one is a GEBA and the other is a LASO. What is the better of the two, the price difference is not great and I would like to install the best one. Thanks Anthony, You want a pump with a cast iron impeller, not the stamped steel one! For sure confirm that! Be sure to see if your old pump has any core value. the factory pump cores with the "star' stamped on them are worth nearly as much as new after market pump Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I also noticed while idling, if you run the engine ad various RPM, > the flap deal on the turbo outlet never moved at all. On any other > 2.5 I have seen, it seems to move back and forth at various times if > you rev it up and/or down while sitting there. I can't really help much except to confirm this. Even have a video of it... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4605726731024330225 Your leak comment sounds about right... IIRC, the computer is smart enough to know that there aren't enough EGR gases being recirculated (from the EGR valve or the throttle not working) to cut off boost (by opening up the wastegate at all times). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
I didn't think those sort of people would need a washing machine..joking :-) Mitch Haley wrote: > Curt Raymond wrote: > >> Our house came with all relatively new (within 5-8 years) appliances but >> when I need to replace the washer I'll buy a Staber. >> http://www.staber.com more expensive up front but over the long haul >> They are THE washers among the RE set so they've got to be using less >> energy... >> > > There are two other reasons why the "solar cells on a mountaintop" people > love Stabers. All the mechanical parts are off-the-shelf items, you can > buy bearings, etc, wherever such items are sold. But the most important > reason for off grid homeowners to own a Staber washer is that you can > get it in a low voltage DC version, and run it directly off your battery > without using an inverter. Someday I'd like to visit the Staber factory > in Ohio and see what their washers look like. It's the only top loading, > horizontal axis washer that I know of. I assume there's some kind of a > sealed door in the drum so you can load it. > > Mitch. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Anything can fail but the question is can it be repaired economically. Strange how people put up with cars breaking down but if a washing machine decides to go down after 6 years people are in shock. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: > Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag > washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she > died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have > had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I > wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. > > --- > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Our Miele spins at 1100 rpm, can be set to 600 but don't know why. Has water saving cycles and all the other stuff, which is not bad considering it was the base model. Anyway we just bought a new fridge and I have to modify the kitchen to fit the blasted thing in, that's what happens when you take the missus along. You end up with a big fridge and an empty wallet. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: > oh yea, also those front loaders get more water out on the final spin so you > do not have to run the drier as long, saves electricity/gas there. > > --- > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Silverbacks Women in W-League Championship Televised Live on Fox Soccer Channel on Sunday
It is interesting to note if there is a backlash against big money sports, with the average fan being marginalised to a being a cash cow who has no real ownership of the sport. It's early days but there seems to be a growing number of football supporters abandoning the big league in favour of the local competition because the local competition is making an effort to be family friendly rather than being treated like cattle at the big game. Gary Hurst wrote: > no, it's like that. but at least they will sign autographs and talk to your > kid, unlike the freaks from the NBA making $15 million a year and claiming > to owe you nothing for giving it to them. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Depends what you are after, if you just want a machine then anything will do but if you are interested in the long term then you have to look at machines that are servicable. We have had Miele machines in our family for decades and while they are more expensive than Asian brands, they are build to be repairable. Sort of like a Hyundai vs Merc Sunny Letot wrote: > I also did a bunch of research about three years ago and chose the top > Kenmore front loader. > > To answer your question about getting clothes clean, it does so quite well. > It tosses your clothes throught the soapy water, which is more like hand > washing. Clothes get quite clean, they last longer (not as much wear and tear > from the agitator), and as has already been noted, you use a LOT less > detergent. You'll also save energy, since the clothes are drier coming out of > the washer (the spin is FAR more efficient) so you don't need the dryer to > run as long. > > We've had no problem with leaking except once when a visitor didn't believe > me about the detergent and poured in more than she would've for a top loading > machine! That WILL run a small amount of water out on the floor through an > overflow, which is not actually a leak. It was amazing how much soap remained > in our clothes from the top load we used to have -- and we weren't soap > fiends by any means -- we found that the first few loads of clothes after we > changed washers had enough soap in them to clean without adding more! > > The only down-side is that the cycle takes longer, but we've adjusted to > that. On some washers, once you start the cycle, you can't open the door to > add forgotten items, but look around for ones that don't limit you in that > way -- they're out there. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] RE: 78 240D Making Odd Noise
I had a 108 one time (1970 280S) that had the absolute worst rumbling sound in the front end. It was coming from the left front (driver's side) and was most certainly a bad wheel bearing. I changed the LF wheel bearing and adjusted to spec with a dial indicator. The front end still rumbled. I went over that thing with a fine tooth comb and was never able to pin it down. A month after I bought it someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse on it, and I sold it with full disclosure. Found out a few weeks later it was the *right* front wheel bearing that was bad, but for soime reason the noise transmitted through the suspension and sounded like it was coming from the left front. Lesson learned. Dan --- James Zavesky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check the front wheel bearings. > > James Zavesky > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] [ SPAM ] RE: 78 240D Making Odd Noise
Check the front wheel bearings. James Zavesky > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of LarryT > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:15 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] 78 240D Making Odd Noise > > > Howdy - > My 240D has a sound like something is running besides the engine - > like > a roar that is not dependant on the speed of the engine but *is* dependant > on the speed of the car. My car has a solid fan attachment (no viscous > clutch) and I've replaced the motor mounts which cured a lot of strange > noises. > > The roar gets louder as I speed up and quieter as I slow down. What > do > bad center bearings sound like? I've had bad u-joints on other cars and > know what they felt like - and this ain;t like that. Any reason I should > expect the noise to be the same? > > I must be rambling - never had a problem like this before - > > Any ideas? > > TIA - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Silverbacks Women in W-League Championship Televised Live on Fox Soccer Channel on Sunday
I agree. I was just being crass. Brian On 8/4/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no, it's like that. but at least they will sign autographs and talk to your > kid, unlike the freaks from the NBA making $15 million a year and claiming > to owe you nothing for giving it to them. > > On 8/4/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Really? You mean it is different from most other women's sports which > > are about 35% less exciting than men's sports? (unless you count > > women's volleyball - beach or indoors - either way, it's a spectacle > > with the former bordering on the pornographic). > > > > Brian > > > > On 8/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > well, i know none of you care, but > > > > > > the USL W-league is the highest level of women's soccer in north > > america. > > > if you live in the rochester area and are looking for a nice family > > event > > > for this sunday, go to this game. if you are disillusioned by big time > > > sports, got to this game. > > > > > > i'm sure the rest of you will be watching it this sunday on FSC > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > > From: The Atlanta Silverbacks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Aug 3, 2007 9:01 PM > > > Subject: Silverbacks Women in W-League Championship Televised Live on > > Fox > > > Soccer Channel on Sunday > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [image: Silverbacks Registered Logo] *SILVERBACKS WOMEN CRUISE TO > > > W-LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH WITH 4-1 WIN* > > > * SILVERBACKS WOMEN LIVE ON FOX SOCCER CHANNEL ON SUNDAY AT 5:30 PM > > > * > > > > > > > > > The *Atlanta Silverbacks Women* continued their dominance of > > the > > > *2007 W-League playoffs* tonight when they beat the *Seattle Sounders > > > 4-1*in the semi-finals of the > > > * W-League Championship series* in Rochester, NY. The Silverbacks will > > play > > > in their first W-League Championship on *Sunday evening* at *5:30 pm* - > > *the > > > match will be broadcast live on the Fox Soccer Channel*. The 'Backs will > > > take on the winner of tonight's other semi-final between the Rochester > > > Rhinos and the Washington Freedom. > > > The Sounders took an early lead in just the sixth minute, > > putting > > > the Silverbacks in an unfamiliar playoff position after having won their > > > first two matches 4-0 and 5-2. The 'Backs returned to their scoring ways > > at > > > the close of the first half when *Krista Davey* sent a cross into the > > box > > > and *Christine Latham* finished a diving header to even the score in the > > > 44th minute. > > > Atlanta did not let the halftime break slow their offensive > > attacks > > > and the Silverbacks took the lead in the 46th minute when *Monica Buff* > > laid > > > the ball back to *Tara Minnax* who finished the go-ahead goal. Buff > > finished > > > a goal of her in the 68th minute when she sent in a 35-yard shot that > > proved > > > too much for the keeper to handle. The Silverbacks finished their final > > goal > > > of the night in the 80th minute when Minnax chipped the ball into *Sarah > > > Steinmann* who easily laid the ball in from inside the 18-yard box. > > > The Silverbacks launched their W-League franchise just three > > years > > > ago - the team made its postseason debut last weekend in Minnesota and > > has > > > dominated every match along the way, outscoring their opponents 13-3. > > The > > > Silverbacks will fight for the W-League title on Sunday afternoon at > > PAETEC > > > PARK at 5:30 pm against either the Rochester Rhinos or the Washington > > > Freedom. > > > > > > *(c) Atlanta Silverbacks 2007 - All Rights Reserved.* > > >** > > > For More Information Regarding the Atlanta Silverbacks, Please Contact: > > > > > > Emmakate Young > > > Atlanta Silverbacks > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > O: 404-969-4902 > > > F: 770-496-4297 > > > Forward email< > > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&a=1101763522276 > > > > > > > > > < > > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&se=2878&t=1101763522276&lang=en&reason=F > > > > > > This > > > email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], by [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Update Profile/Email > > > Address< > > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&se=2878&t=1101763522276&lang=en&reason=F > > >| > > > Instant removal with > > > SafeUnsubscribe< > > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&se=2878&t=1101763522276&lang=en&reason=F > > >™ > > > | Privacy Policy < > > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp>. > > > > > > The Atlanta Silverbacks | 3299 Northcrest Rd. | Suite 200 | Atlanta | > > GA | > > > 30340 > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts e
Re: [MBZ] AC bungholery
>- Low side readings = 50 psi >- High side readings = 65 psi >- Vent temps = 50 degrees @ ~70 degrees ambient >- Compressor engages, yet doesn't cycle off and on as I'd suspect if >there were a low charge level. >- sight glass is cloudy 1) Low charge 2) leaking reed valves in compressor -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC bungholery
Go buy the 300E at pickapart (probably $300-400 if the engine is still
there) and do some dissection of the dash and AC on that before you
fuck with the nice car...
That is my advice..
-Zach
--- Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, my AC ('87 300TD) seems to be experiencing multiple failure
> modes. One
> is the weak output of the fan. The other is the weak output of
> cooling. I
> suspect the former is due to clogged evaporator coils, which
> apparently
> can't be rectified short of a complete dash removal. The fan
> appears (by
> the sound of it) to be working at normal speeds.
>
> The latter issue is more mystifying. Here are the symptoms:
>
>- Low side readings = 50 psi
>- High side readings = 65 psi
>- Vent temps = 50 degrees @ ~70 degrees ambient
>- Compressor engages, yet doesn't cycle off and on as I'd suspect
> if
>there were a low charge level.
>- sight glass is cloudy
>
> Any thoughts? Any at all?
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Check the turbo and the waste gate control (electronic? If so, the transducer is likely bad, no boost!) Make sure you have good fuel delivery to the IP, too -- the hoses on the suction side can crack and leak air in -- lotsa knock and lousy power. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D Making Odd Noise
It could be the differential mount or a wheel bearing too. My '81 300CD had a hum/roar coming from the right front that couldn't be heard until reaching at least 40MPH. Beyond that, the hum would become higher in frequency. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 78 240D Making Odd Noise
Bad center u-joint sounds like a bad muffler, but varies with road speed independent of engine speed. Cure is driveshaft replacement, it's much cheaper to get a used shaft than replace the bearing ($650 last time I heard for the repair). Used shaft is about $100. Check for vibration at the carrier -- just aft of the center of the driver's seat on the tunnel. A bad carrier bearing makes a grinding noise. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote: > You nailed it. > A ford truck where the power steering pump doesn't whine at least a > little, is a pretty rare thing. I was thinking the same thing. You should hear a new Bentley Continental at idle and full lock. Sounds just like an F-150. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 78 240D Making Odd Noise
Howdy - My 240D has a sound like something is running besides the engine - like a roar that is not dependant on the speed of the engine but *is* dependant on the speed of the car. My car has a solid fan attachment (no viscous clutch) and I've replaced the motor mounts which cured a lot of strange noises. The roar gets louder as I speed up and quieter as I slow down. What do bad center bearings sound like? I've had bad u-joints on other cars and know what they felt like - and this ain;t like that. Any reason I should expect the noise to be the same? I must be rambling - never had a problem like this before - Any ideas? TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
You nailed it. A ford truck where the power steering pump doesn't whine at least a little, is a pretty rare thing. ---Robert OK Don wrote: > I wondered if it was "normal" for a Ford - or non MB vehicle. > > >> FWIW my 95 Mazda B2300 (Ford Ranger) has always had a whiny PS pump. >> >> Might want to ask these guys... http://www.ford-trucks.com/ Very good >> forum with very knowledgeable folks. :) >> >> John >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D water pump
I would suggest you ask Rusty. Either send him an email today or use Instant Messaging on Monday - he'll be happy to help - just ask if he knows which lasts the longest. Likely they are comparable and the price is the only difference. Don't forget to buy a new gasket - they don't typically come with the pump. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Anthony Galioto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D water pump > The water pump on my 83 240D is dripping. Rusty sells 2 different kinds, > one is a GEBA and the other is a LASO. What is the better of the two, the > price difference is not great and I would like to install the best one. > Thanks > > -- > Anthony > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 > 5:46 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC bungholery
Way low on freon -- high side at 70F and 1500 rpm with compressor
engaged should be about 250 psi. The other choice is a bad compressor,
but you should have more pressure than that in the low side if the
compressor is bad. May have a bad low pressure cutout switch (or it's
wired around) too.
The evaporator can be cleaned by removing the blower and spraying it
with evaporator cleaner (don't use anything that can corrode aluminum).
Likely the screed over it is packed solid with crap.
You do NOT want to remove the evaporator if it is not indeed
leaking.
On Aug 4, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:
> So, my AC ('87 300TD) seems to be experiencing multiple failure modes.
> One
> is the weak output of the fan. The other is the weak output of
> cooling. I
> suspect the former is due to clogged evaporator coils, which apparently
> can't be rectified short of a complete dash removal. The fan appears
> (by
> the sound of it) to be working at normal speeds.
>
> The latter issue is more mystifying. Here are the symptoms:
>
>- Low side readings = 50 psi
>- High side readings = 65 psi
>- Vent temps = 50 degrees @ ~70 degrees ambient
>- Compressor engages, yet doesn't cycle off and on as I'd suspect if
>there were a low charge level.
>- sight glass is cloudy
>
> Any thoughts? Any at all?
>
> --
> Casey
> __
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> '94 100CSQ Avant
> '90 90Q
> '89 Bluestar
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Kaleb: Pull a vaccum on the supply line. If it won't hold, the transducer is toast. I'd replace both of them, it's been known to fix the problem right up (or all three -- EGR, flap, and turbo boost control). If any one of the three is bad, the computer goes to "limp" mode, self explanatory. Peter On Aug 4, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Well, I check the alda line, it seems fine. On this car is a little > different than the 91. It comes out of the intake, goes to a Y, one of > the Y's go to the ALDA, the other Y goes to a pressure sensor by the > battery. Does not have the cutoff switch in between. I pulled the > codes and it had one for EGR actuator/transducer something or other, > one > for rack position sensor, and one for starter ring gear sensor. > Cleared > the code for EGR, but no matter what I did I couldnt get the other 2 to > clear, even after unhooking the battery for a while. I also noticed > while idling, if you run the engine ad various RPM, the flap deal on > the > turbo outlet never moved at all. On any other 2.5 I have seen, it > seems > to move back and forth at various times if you rev it up and/or down > while sitting there. No code set for that but something doesnt seem > right. I do know when my other one I had, if you had any sort of vacuum > leak you had zero power. I suspect there is a leak somewhere. > > Anybody know how to test all those switchover valves, and vacuum > transducers/actuators whatever they are over on the passenger side? > > OK Don wrote: >> When mine were leaking, they left a mess on top of the IP, left a >> distinct Diesel odor as you walked by the car, and it required >> significantly more cranking to start in the AM. I didn't notice any >> change in power after replacing them on either the 603 or the 602 >> engine. >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 > Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] AC bungholery
So, my AC ('87 300TD) seems to be experiencing multiple failure modes. One
is the weak output of the fan. The other is the weak output of cooling. I
suspect the former is due to clogged evaporator coils, which apparently
can't be rectified short of a complete dash removal. The fan appears (by
the sound of it) to be working at normal speeds.
The latter issue is more mystifying. Here are the symptoms:
- Low side readings = 50 psi
- High side readings = 65 psi
- Vent temps = 50 degrees @ ~70 degrees ambient
- Compressor engages, yet doesn't cycle off and on as I'd suspect if
there were a low charge level.
- sight glass is cloudy
Any thoughts? Any at all?
--
Casey
__
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'90 90Q
'89 Bluestar
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Well, I check the alda line, it seems fine. On this car is a little different than the 91. It comes out of the intake, goes to a Y, one of the Y's go to the ALDA, the other Y goes to a pressure sensor by the battery. Does not have the cutoff switch in between. I pulled the codes and it had one for EGR actuator/transducer something or other, one for rack position sensor, and one for starter ring gear sensor. Cleared the code for EGR, but no matter what I did I couldnt get the other 2 to clear, even after unhooking the battery for a while. I also noticed while idling, if you run the engine ad various RPM, the flap deal on the turbo outlet never moved at all. On any other 2.5 I have seen, it seems to move back and forth at various times if you rev it up and/or down while sitting there. No code set for that but something doesnt seem right. I do know when my other one I had, if you had any sort of vacuum leak you had zero power. I suspect there is a leak somewhere. Anybody know how to test all those switchover valves, and vacuum transducers/actuators whatever they are over on the passenger side? OK Don wrote: > When mine were leaking, they left a mess on top of the IP, left a > distinct Diesel odor as you walked by the car, and it required > significantly more cranking to start in the AM. I didn't notice any > change in power after replacing them on either the 603 or the 602 > engine. > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: *SIGH*
I have shipped to France and Japan w/out difficulty. However, I always give them a disclaimer before doing so that they must pay for insurance and that I am not responsible and will not issue a refund if the item doesn't arrive. On 8/4/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sold 4 items on eBay and managed to get 3 out of 4 who can't read "I won't > ship outside of North America, don't even ask!" in my auction. One is in > Pakistan and the auction ended for $0.01, I'm sure as hell not shipping to > Pakistan on a penny item... > The other guy is at least over a hundred bucks and is in the UK. I might > consider that one. > > -Curt > > > - > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's > on, when. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D water pump
The water pump on my 83 240D is dripping. Rusty sells 2 different kinds, one is a GEBA and the other is a LASO. What is the better of the two, the price difference is not great and I would like to install the best one. Thanks -- Anthony ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
When mine were leaking, they left a mess on top of the IP, left a distinct Diesel odor as you walked by the car, and it required significantly more cranking to start in the AM. I didn't notice any change in power after replacing them on either the 603 or the 602 engine. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
Since the original factory unit has less than 50K miles on it, I'd be wary of one from a bone yard. On 8/3/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boneyard? ... then you get factory. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
I wondered if it was "normal" for a Ford - or non MB vehicle. > > FWIW my 95 Mazda B2300 (Ford Ranger) has always had a whiny PS pump. > > Might want to ask these guys... http://www.ford-trucks.com/ Very good > forum with very knowledgeable folks. :) > > John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
Good point. The fliud looks good, and doesn't smell burnt, but I'll change it anyway. I wonder if it has a filter -- might have to find a book, there must be a trip to the library in my future. On 8/4/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Change the fluid before changing the pump. If the fluid is gray, you > will need to change pump and flush the steering box though. > > Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shocking
As with others I highly recommend the Bilsteins - to see the difference hold your used Bilstein next to your new Monroe - like I did several years ago when finances required I buy the heaper Monroes. The chrome shaft on the Bilsteins is about twice as large (diameter) as the Monroe - same for the body of the shock - the Bilsteins are built much more substantially and their lifespan proves the point. Buy the Bils once every 15 years or so (usually more) Vs. buying Monroes every 3-5 years. It's just like buying a good MB* and it will be the cheapest car you'll ever own, the Bilsteins are the same. (*= within the constraints of buying a used diesel in excellent condition with complete repair history - it'll last a lifetime and cost very little to drive/maintain) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "David Stroud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mercedes list" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: [MBZ] Shocking > Gents, > > I am in need of new shocks. My questions: > > Heavy duty vs "comfort" - what is the difference? > > Bilstiens for $80, Monroes for $50, or Gabriels for $20 - suggestions? > > Any other thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > David > 1985 380 SL (80k) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 8/2/2007 > 2:22 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another CHEAP SL, JIM?
I suspect that was our p-whipped colleague up in Seattle, Clay. Apparently he can't fart without first getting a signed release from the missus. I think she's a lawyer, so he knows better than to challenge the arrangement. It's sad, really. Pray for him. On 8/4/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Was it Jill whose husband dubbed her She Who Must Be Annoyed, or was > that some other WA resident, like maybe Casey's wife? > Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Free Pennzoil Synthetic
> My complete list of internal combustion devices DOES NOT include a lawn > mower, though I do have a leaf blower. Synthetic for the leaf blower... http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Racing_2T.aspx Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
John Robbins wrote: > > I think the Kenmore/Frigidaire washers are based on a commercial design > (or they really look like it anyway) so it might be easier to find a > gasket for them. I had a salesman tell me that once. I later learned that while they look like a Speed Queen, they aren't the same. Last I knew (5-6 years ago) a Speed Queen front loader without the coin box was about $1500, or three Frigidaires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Curt Raymond wrote: > > Our house came with all relatively new (within 5-8 years) appliances but when > I need to replace the washer I'll buy a Staber. > http://www.staber.com more expensive up front but over the long haul > They are THE washers among the RE set so they've got to be using less > energy... There are two other reasons why the "solar cells on a mountaintop" people love Stabers. All the mechanical parts are off-the-shelf items, you can buy bearings, etc, wherever such items are sold. But the most important reason for off grid homeowners to own a Staber washer is that you can get it in a low voltage DC version, and run it directly off your battery without using an inverter. Someday I'd like to visit the Staber factory in Ohio and see what their washers look like. It's the only top loading, horizontal axis washer that I know of. I assume there's some kind of a sealed door in the drum so you can load it. Mitch. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
The Wakin's wrote: > > Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) Five years ago my mom was looking for a new washer. I wanted to get her a front loader for a gift, good thing I asked her some questions, turned out that women old enough to collect Social Security don't always like to bend over. She wanted a top loader. Eventually I found the Fisher-Paykel GWL10, which was only $699 list, had to pay about $650 for it. Kind of like a Whirlpool Calypso with an agitator. Does a waterfall cycle in the beginning with very little water, and ends with a 1000rpm spin cycle. I visited the dealer recently, he had an old GWL10 that needed a new computer board. He told me I could have it for $150 after he fixes it. I'm happy. Now all I have to do is find a decent $100 dryer. When the washer spins like an extractor, the dryer isn't as important. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
Price is good, but I would have to get it down here to get it fixed. That would be expensive. You could always move to Atlanta or Jax ... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? i had a local SF Bay Area indy tell me last week he doesn't buy 123 diesels that aren't running and in perfect condition anymore; the dearth of "Berkeley hippies" buying them to run what they think are going to be free biofuels has resulted in a glut of cars that have been trashed by bad fuel(s) and lack of proper maintenance... that combined with the increases in prices of parts and decreasing availability has made the 123s much less desirable. at least that's *his* story... and that was just after he told me he sold his rather beat daily driver TD in a heartbeat when someone offered him $5 out of the blue for it, complaining that he hadn't been able to find one in 6 months of shopping. ;-* cheers! e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No problem BillI guess I will have to E-bay it. I thought > with the price these things go for it would be gone days ago at the > price I am asking. > > Mike > > >> Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out >> of bounds for my needs. >> Thanks - BillR >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >> >> Bill, >> It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives >> nice, brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove >> it for a week and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too >> bad. Fuel tank needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is >> clogging the fuel filter. >> That's about what i know about it. >> >> I am in Montour Falls, NY. >> >> Mike >> >> >>> Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her >>> three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? >>> BillR >>> Jacksonville FL >>> 1981 300SD 292k miles >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >>> >>> NEED CASH TO BUY A TRAILER RIGHT AWAY!! >>> >>> Who would like to have my 83 300TD? I'll deliver it within 500 >>> miles for $1000 cash. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
I just replaced them on this car also thinking that was it, didnt help --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power? > No smoke with bad knocking at idle, smooth above 1500 rpm and low power > is the set of symptoms on my 300D that was cured by new delivery valve > seals. Bad head gasket didn't help any there, either. > > No smoke, low power, and sluggish throttle reponse at low speeds can be > plugged fuel filters -- just replaced mine, what a difference! > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
hi Craig! yeah, sorry; you're right, thanks for catching that. that was supposed to read *$5K*. cheers! e Craig McCluskey wrote: > On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:01:18 -0700 ernest breakfield > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> at least that's *his* story... and that was just after he told me he >> sold his rather beat daily driver TD in a heartbeat when someone offered >> him $5 out of the blue for it >> > > $5 or $5k ? > > > Craig > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
No smoke with bad knocking at idle, smooth above 1500 rpm and low power is the set of symptoms on my 300D that was cured by new delivery valve seals. Bad head gasket didn't help any there, either. No smoke, low power, and sluggish throttle reponse at low speeds can be plugged fuel filters -- just replaced mine, what a difference! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
We're still running a 13 year old Maytag top loader here. With 4 kids, it gets used a LOT. 6-7 loads a week, at least. I've had to replace a timer and a tub seal, but that's it. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 (just turned over 140K miles!) On 8/4/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag > washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she > died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have > had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I > wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shocking/suckering
In a message dated 8/4/2007 4:11:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The W116 is the ultimate car for suckering a tailgater over a rough railroad crossing at 60mph. W126 may be as good, but I haven't owned one of those. It's not a stunt you want to pull in a W201.034, mine rides like a buckboard compared to my 300SD. Mitch, The 116 IS a great riding car! I have to admit I enjoy suckering the tail gating soccer moms over the speed humps in the neighborhood, too! I'd like to have video of some of the car seat occupants way in the back! My Eldorado, with active suspension, is pretty good over the humps, too. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: *SIGH*
Sold 4 items on eBay and managed to get 3 out of 4 who can't read "I won't ship outside of North America, don't even ask!" in my auction. One is in Pakistan and the auction ended for $0.01, I'm sure as hell not shipping to Pakistan on a penny item... The other guy is at least over a hundred bucks and is in the UK. I might consider that one. -Curt - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Free Pennzoil Synthetic/thanks
In a message dated 8/3/2007 11:11:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Me, baby, me! I got my kit yesterday with the hat, stress reliever, and rebate form. The oil is going into my Civic, my girl's Cherokee (stick shift!) and any friends who need oil changes. Thanks, Suni Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Free Pennzoil Synthetic
In a message dated 8/3/2007 10:40:37 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does your lawn mower need that much Pennzoil? Don, lol! I would use Pennzoil platinum anywhere that I would use Mobil 1, though my preference is Mobil 1. Everything I run gets synthetic oil, if applicable. My complete list of internal combustion devices DOES NOT include a lawn mower, though I do have a leaf blower. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles 94 Bravada, 181 K miles 94 Eldorado Northstar, 92 K miles 95 Mustang, 165 K miles 93 Toyota powered dune buggy. Honda powered Pressure washer Leaf blower (2 stroke oil) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Posting pix
pics are just fine to post. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Robert Bigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: [MBZ] Posting pix > Non text attachments get scrubbed all the time. I don't think > pix will make to being viewed. They might. > > Why not just email the pix to him? > > Robert > >> Message: 18 >> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:08:54 -0700 (PDT) >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> I haven't posted pics...I will go take some right now and post them > ASAP. >> >> That OK with you Kaleb? To post pics here I mean. >> >> Mike >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash >> >> deal. >> > >> > He's in WA. Don't think you want to drive that far! >> > >> > I'm 1000 miles away... (Starkville, MS) if I had a car trailer I would >> > meet you halfway. I have a line on a tranny (I think). >> > >> > Did you ever post any pictures? >> > >> > John > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
This thing doesnt smoke at all. I checked the ALDA line, but will check it again. Not sure what the EGR is doing. I do know I had several codes set in the computer when I checked it a few weeks ago. I will check them again and see what they were exactly. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power? > Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Will leaking delivery valve seals on a 2.5t cause low power? I have one >> that has 240D like performance at times it seems, has bad leaking seals, >> but runs great. Will the leaks cause lower power or should I look >> elsewhere? Yes, I will be replacing the seals anyway > > Not usually. Most common cause is plugged up pressure line to the ALDA > or EGR valve stuck open (makes smoke too). > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth Ph.D. > Ass't Prof. (ret.) > Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:01:18 -0700 ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > at least that's *his* story... and that was just after he told me he > sold his rather beat daily driver TD in a heartbeat when someone offered > him $5 out of the blue for it $5 or $5k ? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Posting pix
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:15:31 -0500 "Robert Bigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Non text attachments get scrubbed all the time. I don't think > pix will make to being viewed. They might. That's how the old list at mbz.org used to work. Kaleb's list is much better than that. The pictures won't be sent with each individual email to each member of the list, but the email will have links at the bottom that will display the pictures in a web browser. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
i had a local SF Bay Area indy tell me last week he doesn't buy 123 diesels that aren't running and in perfect condition anymore; the dearth of "Berkeley hippies" buying them to run what they think are going to be free biofuels has resulted in a glut of cars that have been trashed by bad fuel(s) and lack of proper maintenance... that combined with the increases in prices of parts and decreasing availability has made the 123s much less desirable. at least that's *his* story... and that was just after he told me he sold his rather beat daily driver TD in a heartbeat when someone offered him $5 out of the blue for it, complaining that he hadn't been able to find one in 6 months of shopping. ;-* cheers! e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No problem BillI guess I will have to E-bay it. I thought > with the price these things go for it would be gone days ago at the price > I am asking. > > Mike > > >> Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out of >> bounds for my needs. >> Thanks - BillR >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >> >> Bill, >> It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives >> nice, >> brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove it for a >> week >> and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too bad. Fuel tank >> needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is clogging the fuel >> filter. >> That's about what i know about it. >> >> I am in Montour Falls, NY. >> >> Mike >> >> >>> Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her >>> three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? >>> BillR >>> Jacksonville FL >>> 1981 300SD 292k miles >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >>> >>> NEED CASH TO BUY A TRAILER RIGHT AWAY!! >>> >>> Who would like to have my 83 300TD? I'll deliver it within 500 miles >>> for $1000 cash. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For >> used >> parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Posting pix
Non text attachments get scrubbed all the time. I don't think pix will make to being viewed. They might. Why not just email the pix to him? Robert > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:08:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > I haven't posted pics...I will go take some right now and post them ASAP. > > That OK with you Kaleb? To post pics here I mean. > > Mike > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash > >> deal. > > > > He's in WA. Don't think you want to drive that far! > > > > I'm 1000 miles away... (Starkville, MS) if I had a car trailer I would > > meet you halfway. I have a line on a tranny (I think). > > > > Did you ever post any pictures? > > > > John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bathtub and bell curves
The question of how long a light bulb lasts is used in several introductory books on statistics. How long does a light bulb last? A truthful answer is "It varies." But people tend to want a single number. Maybe the average. As applied to this problem, the bell curve plots bulb life (in hours or some unit of time) against number of bulbs in the sample that last so long before failing. The bathtub curve plots bulb life against number of bulbs failing at some particular life. The curves are something of complements of each other; at any life the two add up to 100% of the bulbs in the experiment. Some fail out of the box.or early, then few fail, then at the end, all survivors finally fail. Conversely, only a few last a short time, many last something like the average life, and only a few last into light bulb old age. Clear as mud? Robert > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:17:16 -0400 > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Zoltan Finks wrote: > > > > Man, that gives me flashbacks of the statistics class I took to get my > > bachelor's degree recently. Is the bathtub curve the bell curve? > > More like the antithesis of the bell curve. A 'normal distribution' bell > curve peaks at the mean and drops off on both sides. The 'bathtub' as he > describes it, has peaks on both ends and a wide trough in the middle. > Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
> OK Don wrote: >> The power sterring pump on my father's 1999 2.5 Ford Ranger is whining >> rather loudly. It seem to work fine, and isn't leaking fluid. The >> truck only has 48k miles. >> A local McParts has two rebuilt pumps - ATSCO and Beck-Arney. Might >> either of them be any good? Try here. El-Cheapo to OEM quality parts for your domestic auto. You make the choice, not some pimply faced youngster at your FLAPS. http://www.rockauto.com/ Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 10:33:27 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will leaking delivery valve seals on a 2.5t cause low power? I have one > that has 240D like performance at times it seems, has bad leaking seals, > but runs great. Will the leaks cause lower power or should I look > elsewhere? Yes, I will be replacing the seals anyway It would seem that if the diesel that's supposed to get to the cylinders doesn't, that you would have less power. Replace the seals, see what happens, and then look elsewhere if necessary. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: > > > > > Will leaking delivery valve seals on a 2.5t cause low power? I have one that > has 240D like performance at times it seems, has bad leaking seals, but runs > great. Will the leaks cause lower power or should I look elsewhere? Yes, I > will be replacing the seals anyway Not usually. Most common cause is plugged up pressure line to the ALDA or EGR valve stuck open (makes smoke too). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2.5T, delivery valve seals leaking, low power?
Will leaking delivery valve seals on a 2.5t cause low power? I have one that has 240D like performance at times it seems, has bad leaking seals, but runs great. Will the leaks cause lower power or should I look elsewhere? Yes, I will be replacing the seals anyway --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
I haven't posted pics...I will go take some right now and post them ASAP. That OK with you Kaleb? To post pics here I mean. Mike > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash >> deal. > > He's in WA. Don't think you want to drive that far! > > I'm 1000 miles away... (Starkville, MS) if I had a car trailer I would > meet you halfway. I have a line on a tranny (I think). > > Did you ever post any pictures? > > John > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
Not even remotely close!! LOLOL Mike >> Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash >> deal. > > 3000 miles away. Not practical. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) > This was something I didn't realize, either. In fact, > my drying times are lower because the clothing comes > out of the washer much dryer that with a top-loader. > > I will say that my purchase was precipitated by the > failure of my 6 year old Maytag, which blew the > transmission. There was no reason for attempting a > repair, as the parts cost alone made it prohibitive. > > That being said, I did not have a $1000 budget for a > washing machine, either. I did what research I could > in the limited time I had, and found that there are a > number of sub-$1000 machines that are as good as the > more expensive ones. The main differences were a > lower capacity (but only in tenths of a cubic foot) > and fewer cycles. > > I ended up buying a GE front loader at Lowe's for > slightly less than $700 along with rebated delivery > and a $50 gift card. I just got my first water bill > with the washer in use for a whole month, and it went > down over 30%. In Florida that's a pretty substantial > savings, as we get gouged on water in this part of the > stae due to restrictions. > > I just changed over from a gas water heater (propane > here, we don't have natural gas) so I should be seeing > a BIG drop in my gas bill. In fact, it should drop to > zero, since this was the last gas appliance outside of > the fireplace and spa heater that we have. > > Dan (reducing my carbon footprint on a daily basis) > > > > --- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There is more than one point to their efficiency. >> One is use of less >> water. Another is spinning faster to extract the >> water more thoroughly, >> which means you run your dryer less to get the >> clothes dry. Unless you >> dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the >> winter), you save that way, >> too. >> >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: >> http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Jim Cathey wrote: > I doubt that _any_ front loader could be kept running > this long. Lack of availability of the custom door gaskets > alone would probably guarantee this. The commercial ones probably run for an equivalent amount of time! Just find a laundry mat thats going out of business ;) I think the Kenmore/Frigidaire washers are based on a commercial design (or they really look like it anyway) so it might be easier to find a gasket for them. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash > deal. He's in WA. Don't think you want to drive that far! I'm 1000 miles away... (Starkville, MS) if I had a car trailer I would meet you halfway. I have a line on a tranny (I think). Did you ever post any pictures? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
oh yea, also those front loaders get more water out on the final spin so you do not have to run the drier as long, saves electricity/gas there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers > > Holy cow! How many people in your household? > > We paid $50 for water last QUARTER. Of course its only two of us... > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:31:53 -0400 > From: "The Wakin's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) > > We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my > wife > researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have > the > best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with > them. > Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. > > We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half > that. > The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = > $8.33, > or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over > $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our > bills > come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. > > Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then > at > least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a > deal. > > Dave W > > > > > - > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Our water bill is about $25 or so per month. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers > > Holy cow! How many people in your household? > > We paid $50 for water last QUARTER. Of course its only two of us... > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:31:53 -0400 > From: "The Wakin's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) > > We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my > wife > researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have > the > best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with > them. > Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. > > We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half > that. > The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = > $8.33, > or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over > $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our > bills > come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. > > Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then > at > least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a > deal. > > Dave W > > > > > - > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
> Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash > deal. 3000 miles away. Not practical. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
> This was something I didn't realize, either. In fact, > my drying times are lower because the clothing comes > out of the washer much dryer that with a top-loader. Than with _your_ top loader. I looked into buying a Fisher Paykel when it looked like I was going to have to replace our washer. It's a top loader, yet at the time got clothes the driest of anything. Didn't have to do it then, I've been able to keep our 1974 Kenmore running. I doubt that _any_ front loader could be kept running this long. Lack of availability of the custom door gaskets alone would probably guarantee this. > I just changed over from a gas water heater (propane > here, we don't have natural gas) so I should be seeing > a BIG drop in my gas bill. In fact, it should drop to > zero, since this was the last gas appliance outside of > the fireplace and spa heater that we have. > > Dan (reducing my carbon footprint on a daily basis) I haven't seen those new nuclear-powered driers yet. Or are you merely exporting your carbon footprint to a different neighborhood? Unless you've switched to the clothesline. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
This was something I didn't realize, either. In fact, my drying times are lower because the clothing comes out of the washer much dryer that with a top-loader. I will say that my purchase was precipitated by the failure of my 6 year old Maytag, which blew the transmission. There was no reason for attempting a repair, as the parts cost alone made it prohibitive. That being said, I did not have a $1000 budget for a washing machine, either. I did what research I could in the limited time I had, and found that there are a number of sub-$1000 machines that are as good as the more expensive ones. The main differences were a lower capacity (but only in tenths of a cubic foot) and fewer cycles. I ended up buying a GE front loader at Lowe's for slightly less than $700 along with rebated delivery and a $50 gift card. I just got my first water bill with the washer in use for a whole month, and it went down over 30%. In Florida that's a pretty substantial savings, as we get gouged on water in this part of the stae due to restrictions. I just changed over from a gas water heater (propane here, we don't have natural gas) so I should be seeing a BIG drop in my gas bill. In fact, it should drop to zero, since this was the last gas appliance outside of the fireplace and spa heater that we have. Dan (reducing my carbon footprint on a daily basis) --- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is more than one point to their efficiency. > One is use of less > water. Another is spinning faster to extract the > water more thoroughly, > which means you run your dryer less to get the > clothes dry. Unless you > dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the > winter), you save that way, > too. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
Where are ya Jim? I'm ready to load it on the trailer for a cash deal. Mike >> If yours was closer I would have been all over it. > > ...and that's the story for most of us, probably. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
It's 1217 miles from here to ClaremoreI'll bring it 600 for freemake me a good offer and I'll see about bringing it further. Mike > Let's make a deal Kaleb...I'll bring it 500 miles closer to > you. > > I need some cash by tuesday so it needs to go. > > Mike > >> Yea, I had a killer list of deals and nobody jumped on them. Strange. >> If >> yours was closer I would have been all over it. >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730 PP Supervisor >> 918-746-1400 x305 >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >> >> >>> No problem BillI guess I will have to E-bay it. I thought >>> with the price these things go for it would be gone days ago at the >>> price >>> I am asking. >>> >>> Mike >>> Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out of bounds for my needs. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? Bill, It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives nice, brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove it for a week and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too bad. Fuel tank needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is clogging the fuel filter. That's about what i know about it. I am in Montour Falls, NY. Mike > Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her > three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? > BillR > Jacksonville ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
> If yours was closer I would have been all over it. ...and that's the story for most of us, probably. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
> There is more than one point to their efficiency. One is use of less > water. Another is spinning faster to extract the water more thoroughly, > which means you run your dryer less to get the clothes dry. Unless you Definitely a factor. > dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the winter), you save that > way, > too. We do this often. In winter we have a clothes rack that sits near the wood stove. An added bonus there is humidification of the house. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
Let's make a deal Kaleb...I'll bring it 500 miles closer to you. I need some cash by tuesday so it needs to go. Mike > Yea, I had a killer list of deals and nobody jumped on them. Strange. If > yours was closer I would have been all over it. > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > 918-746-1400 x305 > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? > > >> No problem BillI guess I will have to E-bay it. I thought >> with the price these things go for it would be gone days ago at the >> price >> I am asking. >> >> Mike >> >>> Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out of >>> bounds for my needs. >>> Thanks - BillR >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >>> >>> Bill, >>> It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives >>> nice, >>> brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove it for a >>> week >>> and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too bad. Fuel >>> tank >>> needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is clogging the fuel >>> filter. >>> That's about what i know about it. >>> >>> I am in Montour Falls, NY. >>> >>> Mike >>> Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 292k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? NEED CASH TO BUY A TRAILER RIGHT AWAY!! Who would like to have my 83 300TD? I'll deliver it within 500 miles for $1000 cash. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For >>> used >>> parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 06:37:58 -0700 Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been wondering how the thing can get the same amount of clothes > > clean with less water, and wondering if the door on these designs will > > eventually leak. > > That bothers me too. That and the fact that our water > is effectively free means that there is not likely one > in our immediate future. There is more than one point to their efficiency. One is use of less water. Another is spinning faster to extract the water more thoroughly, which means you run your dryer less to get the clothes dry. Unless you dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the winter), you save that way, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers
Renewable energy. Specifically folks living off grid on solar/wind/hydro power. With limited capacity for production you learn to conserve. -Curt Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:57:49 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original the RE set? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Holy cow! How many people in your household? We paid $50 for water last QUARTER. Of course its only two of us... -Curt Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:31:53 -0400 From: "The Wakin's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my wife researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have the best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with them. Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half that. The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = $8.33, or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our bills come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then at least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a deal. Dave W - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shocking
Think so? I'd say the wagon. I've never had a 124 wagon but my 123 wagon was the most comfortable ride I've ever had. Of course my wagon was a disaster but when it was running good it was the most pleasurable car to drive I've ever had. My wife agrees, someday we're planning on driving across the US and I've already compiled a short list of possible cars 116 SD 123 TD - either turbo or manual shift n/a. A friend has a 4spd and says its a hoot. I haven't driven it yet. aircooled VW microbus. Obviously one of these things is not like the others... In any event there would be a fairly big money outlay for the vehicle to make sure it was in tip top shape before the trip. Any opinions, I'm thinking to buy a mid price range car in decent shape with a few issues and spend a few months and some probably not inconsiderable cash making it perfect. As opposed to buying something more expensive that might have hidden flaws that we'd discover on the road... -Curt Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:10:21 -0400 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shocking To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The car still does not bottom out or bang down after going over a speed hump > at 30 MPH! The W116 is the ultimate car for suckering a tailgater over a rough railroad crossing at 60mph. W126 may be as good, but I haven't owned one of those. It's not a stunt you want to pull in a W201.034, mine rides like a buckboard compared to my 300SD. Mitch. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Door gaskets are a wear item. They will need to be replaced at some point, but then the pump on every top load washer I've ever used eventually leaked and had to be replaced, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Ranger Power Steering
Change the fluid before changing the pump. If the fluid is gray, you will need to change pump and flush the steering box though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
The best long term one would be a Speed Queen (non-electronic), but they require attendance (they hop all over the place if the load doesn't balance on the spin cycle) and are expensive -- $1500 last time I looked a couple years ago. I ended up with a Bosch from Lowe's -- I believe they still carry the brand, but not at all stores. Again, large and expensive ($1300), but my oh my what a difference in clean! Neptunes are good IF you can keep them in a low humidity enviroment (the electronics are on the bottom, duh!) -- damp environment equals burned out boards, which can get expensive. I especially like the simplicity of the Bosch controls -- a dial for temp and agitation cycle, a couple of buttons for spin speed, and that's it. Far easier than teaching my 80 year old mother how to use one of the overly-complicated touch-screen types! I've been quite happy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
Yea, I had a killer list of deals and nobody jumped on them. Strange. If yours was closer I would have been all over it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? > No problem BillI guess I will have to E-bay it. I thought > with the price these things go for it would be gone days ago at the price > I am asking. > > Mike > >> Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out of >> bounds for my needs. >> Thanks - BillR >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >> >> Bill, >> It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives >> nice, >> brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove it for a >> week >> and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too bad. Fuel tank >> needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is clogging the fuel >> filter. >> That's about what i know about it. >> >> I am in Montour Falls, NY. >> >> Mike >> >>> Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her >>> three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? >>> BillR >>> Jacksonville FL >>> 1981 300SD 292k miles >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >>> >>> NEED CASH TO BUY A TRAILER RIGHT AWAY!! >>> >>> Who would like to have my 83 300TD? I'll deliver it within 500 miles >>> for $1000 cash. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For >> used >> parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
the RE set? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) > > Our house came with all relatively new (within 5-8 years) appliances but > when I need to replace the washer I'll buy a Staber. > http://www.staber.com more expensive up front but over the long haul > They are THE washers among the RE set so they've got to be using less > energy... > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:54:43 -0700 > From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front > loading washing machine last month. > > What brand/model did you go with? I'll be in the market for one very > soon > since we're buying a house. My parents have a Maytag Neptune that > seems to > be working well for the past 5 years. The laundromat here at the > apartment > complex just installed new Maytag commercial HE front loaders that > don't > seem to be getting clothes too clean at all. I think that our cheap > top > loader did a better job. > > Kevin in Portland, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > - > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
No problem BillI guess I will have to E-bay it. I thought with the price these things go for it would be gone days ago at the price I am asking. Mike > Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out of > bounds for my needs. > Thanks - BillR > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? > > Bill, > It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives > nice, > brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove it for a > week > and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too bad. Fuel tank > needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is clogging the fuel > filter. > That's about what i know about it. > > I am in Montour Falls, NY. > > Mike > >> Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her >> three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? >> BillR >> Jacksonville FL >> 1981 300SD 292k miles >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? >> >> NEED CASH TO BUY A TRAILER RIGHT AWAY!! >> >> Who would like to have my 83 300TD? I'll deliver it within 500 miles >> for $1000 cash. >> >> Mike >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For > used > parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Our house came with all relatively new (within 5-8 years) appliances but when I need to replace the washer I'll buy a Staber. http://www.staber.com more expensive up front but over the long haul They are THE washers among the RE set so they've got to be using less energy... -Curt Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:54:43 -0700 From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front loading washing machine last month. What brand/model did you go with? I'll be in the market for one very soon since we're buying a house. My parents have a Maytag Neptune that seems to be working well for the past 5 years. The laundromat here at the apartment complex just installed new Maytag commercial HE front loaders that don't seem to be getting clothes too clean at all. I think that our cheap top loader did a better job. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shocking
> Off topic of shocks - can anyone tell me what the approved > proportions of Zerex G 05 and water are, Half and half. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
> I've been wondering how the thing can get the same amount of clothes > clean with less water, and wondering if the door on these designs will > eventually leak. That bothers me too. That and the fact that our water is effectively free means that there is not likely one in our immediate future. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality
My parents replaced their 35 year old refridgerator last year and have been stunned by the savings. Interestingly it seems like the new fridge cycles more often but has a shorter cycle. Definately uses like 50% of the power... On waterheaters I'd imagine the new ones are MUCH better insulated than even 10 years ago and more than that ago "fuggetaboutit". Remember when people were setting their houses on fire wrapping hotwater heaters in insulation? Yay forced hot water heat. Turn on the tap, the furnace fires up and hot water is there... Of course it means I'll burn a tank of oil in the summer but I'm okay with that. -Curt Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tools and Quality To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I guess I look at the difference in cost amortized over the life of the appliance. That being considered, you're talking about less than $10/year for the difference, which isn't really significant in my mind. That also doesn't factor in the cost savings in energy efficiency. While I can't imagine water heater technology has gotten to the point of really major gains in efficiency over the last 10 years, with other appliances it is definitely a consideration. The house is just about 10-1/2 years old, so some of the appliances are ready to be turned. I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front loading washing machine last month. I can't begin to imagine what a difference it will make when we replace our almost 15 year old side by side refrigerator in a couple of months Dan (reducing my carbon footprint) - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another CHEAP SL, JIM?
> Was it Jill whose husband dubbed her She Who Must Be Annoyed, or was > that some other WA resident, like maybe Casey's wife? Mine indeed, but if you ask me, _many_ of these occasionally delightful creatures deserve that sobriquet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Silverbacks Women in W-League Championship Televised Live on Fox Soccer Channel on Sunday
no, it's like that. but at least they will sign autographs and talk to your kid, unlike the freaks from the NBA making $15 million a year and claiming to owe you nothing for giving it to them. On 8/4/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Really? You mean it is different from most other women's sports which > are about 35% less exciting than men's sports? (unless you count > women's volleyball - beach or indoors - either way, it's a spectacle > with the former bordering on the pornographic). > > Brian > > On 8/3/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well, i know none of you care, but > > > > the USL W-league is the highest level of women's soccer in north > america. > > if you live in the rochester area and are looking for a nice family > event > > for this sunday, go to this game. if you are disillusioned by big time > > sports, got to this game. > > > > i'm sure the rest of you will be watching it this sunday on FSC > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: The Atlanta Silverbacks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Aug 3, 2007 9:01 PM > > Subject: Silverbacks Women in W-League Championship Televised Live on > Fox > > Soccer Channel on Sunday > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [image: Silverbacks Registered Logo] *SILVERBACKS WOMEN CRUISE TO > > W-LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH WITH 4-1 WIN* > > * SILVERBACKS WOMEN LIVE ON FOX SOCCER CHANNEL ON SUNDAY AT 5:30 PM > > * > > > > > > The *Atlanta Silverbacks Women* continued their dominance of > the > > *2007 W-League playoffs* tonight when they beat the *Seattle Sounders > > 4-1*in the semi-finals of the > > * W-League Championship series* in Rochester, NY. The Silverbacks will > play > > in their first W-League Championship on *Sunday evening* at *5:30 pm* - > *the > > match will be broadcast live on the Fox Soccer Channel*. The 'Backs will > > take on the winner of tonight's other semi-final between the Rochester > > Rhinos and the Washington Freedom. > > The Sounders took an early lead in just the sixth minute, > putting > > the Silverbacks in an unfamiliar playoff position after having won their > > first two matches 4-0 and 5-2. The 'Backs returned to their scoring ways > at > > the close of the first half when *Krista Davey* sent a cross into the > box > > and *Christine Latham* finished a diving header to even the score in the > > 44th minute. > > Atlanta did not let the halftime break slow their offensive > attacks > > and the Silverbacks took the lead in the 46th minute when *Monica Buff* > laid > > the ball back to *Tara Minnax* who finished the go-ahead goal. Buff > finished > > a goal of her in the 68th minute when she sent in a 35-yard shot that > proved > > too much for the keeper to handle. The Silverbacks finished their final > goal > > of the night in the 80th minute when Minnax chipped the ball into *Sarah > > Steinmann* who easily laid the ball in from inside the 18-yard box. > > The Silverbacks launched their W-League franchise just three > years > > ago - the team made its postseason debut last weekend in Minnesota and > has > > dominated every match along the way, outscoring their opponents 13-3. > The > > Silverbacks will fight for the W-League title on Sunday afternoon at > PAETEC > > PARK at 5:30 pm against either the Rochester Rhinos or the Washington > > Freedom. > > > > *(c) Atlanta Silverbacks 2007 - All Rights Reserved.* > >** > > For More Information Regarding the Atlanta Silverbacks, Please Contact: > > > > Emmakate Young > > Atlanta Silverbacks > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > O: 404-969-4902 > > F: 770-496-4297 > > Forward email< > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&a=1101763522276 > > > > > > < > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&se=2878&t=1101763522276&lang=en&reason=F > > > > This > > email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], by [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Update Profile/Email > > Address< > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&se=2878&t=1101763522276&lang=en&reason=F > >| > > Instant removal with > > SafeUnsubscribe< > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&m=1101564478429&ea=jabbahursty%40gmail.com&se=2878&t=1101763522276&lang=en&reason=F > >™ > > | Privacy Policy < > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp>. > > > > The Atlanta Silverbacks | 3299 Northcrest Rd. | Suite 200 | Atlanta | > GA | > > 30340 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
I also did a bunch of research about three years ago and chose the top Kenmore front loader. To answer your question about getting clothes clean, it does so quite well. It tosses your clothes throught the soapy water, which is more like hand washing. Clothes get quite clean, they last longer (not as much wear and tear from the agitator), and as has already been noted, you use a LOT less detergent. You'll also save energy, since the clothes are drier coming out of the washer (the spin is FAR more efficient) so you don't need the dryer to run as long. We've had no problem with leaking except once when a visitor didn't believe me about the detergent and poured in more than she would've for a top loading machine! That WILL run a small amount of water out on the floor through an overflow, which is not actually a leak. It was amazing how much soap remained in our clothes from the top load we used to have -- and we weren't soap fiends by any means -- we found that the first few loads of clothes after we changed washers had enough soap in them to clean without adding more! The only down-side is that the cycle takes longer, but we've adjusted to that. On some washers, once you start the cycle, you can't open the door to add forgotten items, but look around for ones that don't limit you in that way -- they're out there. "Time is at once the most valuable and the most perishable of all our possessions." John Randolph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Free Pennzoil Synthetic
Yous guys musta inundated them 'cause they are telling me the Penzoil offer's full. I reckon you snooze, you loose. Bob R. The Man With the Mushy Brain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Free Pennzoil Synthetic Me, baby, me! I got my kit yesterday with the hat, stress reliever, and rebate form. The oil is going into my Civic, my girl's Cherokee (stick shift!) and any friends who need oil changes. On 8/4/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does your lawn mower need that much Pennzoil? > > On 8/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > All, > > > > About two weeks ago someone on this list suggested going to the web site > > below for some free oil and I did so. Today I got my kit with a $60 > > rebate > > towards the purchase of one synthetic Pennzoil oil change, or a 6 pack > of > > their > > oil. I also got a Pennzoil hat and 8 $10 coupons for > additional rebates. > > > > _www.firstdriversclub.com/login.jsp_ > > (http://www.firstdriversclub.com/login.jsp)This is a joint offer > with > > Car and Driver pushing the good driver > > policy and Pennzoil pushing the oil.. > > > > It appears the web site is still up and after you fill out the form they > > will offer you a chance to get 12 issues of Road and Track for 5 > > bucks! Or > > Cycle magazine. > > > > Thanks ??, I can't find your old email anywhere! > > > > Jim Friesen > > Phoenix AZ > > 79 300SD, 267 K miles > > 98 ML 320, 151 K miles > > > > > > > > > > ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new > AOL > > at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD?
Thanks Mike, but it sounds like the distance and repairs put it out of bounds for my needs. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? Bill, It needs a tranny, exhaust and bumpers. Other than that it drives nice, brakes are good, runs great, hydro susp. works. I only drove it for a week and the tranny went on me. Has some cancer but not too bad. Fuel tank needs cleaned out or better yet replaced as it is clogging the fuel filter. That's about what i know about it. I am in Montour Falls, NY. Mike > Hi Mike - I am in need of a reliable vehicle for my daughter and her > three kids for a few months- if this fits the bill. Where are you? > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD 292k miles > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Anyone give me a grand for my 83 300TD? > > NEED CASH TO BUY A TRAILER RIGHT AWAY!! > > Who would like to have my 83 300TD? I'll deliver it within 500 miles > for $1000 cash. > > Mike > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my wife researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have the best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with them. Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half that. The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = $8.33, or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our bills come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then at least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a deal. Dave W - Original Message - From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) >I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front > loading washing machine last month. > > What brand/model did you go with? I'll be in the market for one very soon > since we're buying a house. My parents have a Maytag Neptune that seems > to > be working well for the past 5 years. The laundromat here at the > apartment > complex just installed new Maytag commercial HE front loaders that don't > seem to be getting clothes too clean at all. I think that our cheap top > loader did a better job. > > Kevin in Portland, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
