CS>Racoons, CS and rabies

[Pamela Grant]

Now let's jump to racoons. Yes, this is about CS. I have several racoon
families around my home. About 40 miles away, "they" claim that they have
found rabies in some racoons. Does anyone know the effect of CS on
rabies?---as prevention and/or treatment

PG


>Thanks Chuck. This is hilarious! My husband & I both had a very good laugh.
>It is now winging it's way through cyber space to my sister & my aunt.
>
> Nina  C.
>
>  Nina L. Chew & Julie H. Martin
>  Wavorgonaked Cattery
>Hairless Cats of the 21st Century
>   Sphynx & Russian Peterbald
>  www.hairlesscats.com
>
>God made the cat in order that man might have the pleasure of caressing the
>lion.
> - Fernand Mery
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:39 PM
>Subject: CS>Cat bathing (OT humor)
>
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:25 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> >Ha!
>> >I think I'd rather deal with the allergy than bathe a cat weekly.
>> >Cat bathing has been listed as a marial art!
>> > Chuck
>> I knew I could find it
>> Here 'tis:
>>
>> Some people say cats never have to be bathed. They say cats lick
>themselves
>> clean. They say cats have a special enzyme of some sort in their saliva
>that
>> works like new, improved Wisk - dislodging the dirt where it hides and
>whisking
>> it away.
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Cat bathing (OT humor)

[Pamela Grant]

Since you are on the subject of cats. Does anyone know of a SAFE detox
remedy for cats?

PG



>Thanks Chuck. This is hilarious! My husband & I both had a very good laugh.
>It is now winging it's way through cyber space to my sister & my aunt.
>
> Nina  C.
>
>  Nina L. Chew & Julie H. Martin
>  Wavorgonaked Cattery
>Hairless Cats of the 21st Century
>   Sphynx & Russian Peterbald
>  www.hairlesscats.com
>
>God made the cat in order that man might have the pleasure of caressing the
>lion.
> - Fernand Mery
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:39 PM
>Subject: CS>Cat bathing (OT humor)
>
>
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:25 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> >Ha!
>> >I think I'd rather deal with the allergy than bathe a cat weekly.
>> >Cat bathing has been listed as a marial art!
>> > Chuck
>> I knew I could find it
>> Here 'tis:
>>
>> Some people say cats never have to be bathed. They say cats lick
>themselves
>> clean. They say cats have a special enzyme of some sort in their saliva
>that
>> works like new, improved Wisk - dislodging the dirt where it hides and
>whisking
>> it away.
>
>
>
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CS>There is a question in here, can you find it?

[Pamela Grant]

I have not been visiting my e-mail too often lately, which means that when
I do I have well over 300 messages from some 3 days worth. So, tonight I
turn on the e-mail with conviction that this time I will unsubscribe to
that CS list. Did I find it boring? Not in the least. In fact, if CS was
all that was mentioned I may have been able to tear away. Afterall, I now
understand that CS is safe to insert into your ears, safe to insert into
your eyes, safe to insert into your(our)vaginas and of course, safe to
drink. I do have one question that I have put off. Is it safe for an enema?
No, seriously, I am not joking.

After reading all the e-mails from the past 4 days on this list and
laughing the whole way(well, most of it) I find once again that I am unable
to let go of you guys. Call it a "mental illness", act of "God"(or science)
or just simply feeling like this is an odd kind of family that once you've
joined it is hard to leave or more like a great soap opera that keeps you
glued to the screen daily(not I of course).

I guess I could always be BAD and get kicked off some day. Until then...I
just want to say, I for one enjoy the divresity of subject and yes, I have
greatly restrained myself from joining some of the more interesting
discussions(like the moon one---by the way, did you know that on Mars they
faked...oh never mind).

Pg





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Re: CS>Cat bathing (OT humor)

[Pamela Grant]

>I
>recommend that you get in the tub with the cat and close the sliding-glass
>doors
>as if you were about to take a shower

yes, been there, done that, BIG mistake, BUT thanks to this list I have
learned that CS is good for healing scars.

PG



>On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:25 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
>
>>Ha!
>>I think I'd rather deal with the allergy than bathe a cat weekly.
>>Cat bathing has been listed as a marial art!
>>  Chuck
>I knew I could find it
>Here 'tis:
>
>Some people say cats never have to be bathed. They say cats lick themselves
>clean. They say cats have a special enzyme of some sort in their saliva that
>works like new, improved Wisk - dislodging the dirt where it hides and
>whisking
>it away.
>I've spent most of my life believing this folklore. Like most blind believers,
>I've been able to discount all the facts to the contrary, the kitty odors that
>lurk in the corners of the garage and dirt smudges that cling to the throw rug
>by the fireplace.
>
>The time comes, however, when a man must face reality: when he must look
>squarely in the face of massive public sentiment to the contrary and announce:
>"This cat smells like a port-a-potty on a hot day in Juarez."
>
>When that day arrives at your house, as it has in mine, I have some advice you
>might consider as you place your feline friend under your arm and head for the
>bathtub:
>
>-- Know that although the cat has the advantage of quickness and lack of
>concern
>for human life, you have the advantage of strength. Capitalize on that
>advantage
>by selecting the battlefield. Don't try to bathe him in an open area where he
>can force you to chase him.
>
>Pick a very small bathroom. If your bathroom is more than four feet square, I
>recommend that you get in the tub with the cat and close the sliding-glass
>doors
>as if you were about to take a shower. (A simple shower curtain will not do. A
>berserk cat can shred a three-ply rubber shower curtain quicker than a
>politician can shift positions.)
>
>-- Know that a cat has claws and will not hesitate to remove all the skin from
>your body. Your advantage here is that you are smart and know how to dress to
>protect yourself. I recommend canvas overalls tucked into high-top
>construction
>boots, a pair of steel-mesh gloves, an army helmet, a hockey face mask, and a
>long-sleeved flak jacket.
>
>-- Prepare everything in advance. There is no time to go out for a towel when
>you have a cat digging a hole in your flak jacket. Draw the water. Make
>sure the
>bottle of kitty shampoo is inside the glass enclosure. Make sure the towel can
>be reached, even if you are lying on your back in the water.
>
>-- Use the element of surprise. Pick up your cat nonchalantly, as if to simply
>carry him to his supper dish. (Cats will not usually notice your strange
>attire.
>They have little or no interest in fashion as a rule. If he does notice your
>garb, calmly explain that you are taking part in a product testing experiment
>for J.C. Penney.)
>
>-- Once you are inside the bathroom, speed is essential to survival. In a
>single
>liquid motion, shut the bathroom door, step into the tub enclosure, slide the
>glass door shut, dip the cat in the water and squirt him with shampoo. You
>have
>begun one of the wildest 45 seconds of your life.
>
>Cats have no handles. Add the fact that he now has soapy fur, and the
>problem is
>radically compounded. Do not expect to hold on to him for more than two or
>three
>seconds at a time. When you have him, however, you must remember to give him
>another squirt of shampoo and rub like crazy. He'll then spring free and fall
>back into the water, thereby rinsing himself off. (The national record for
>cats
>is three latherings, so don't expect too much.)
>
>-- Next, the cat must be dried. Novice cat bathers always assume this part
>will
>be the most difficult, for humans generally are worn out at this point and the
>cat is just getting really determined. In fact, the drying is simple
>compared to
>what you have just been through. That's because by now the cat is
>semipermanently affixed to your right leg. You simply pop the drain plug with
>you foot, reach for your towel and wait. (Occasionally, however, the cat will
>end up clinging to the top of your army helmet. If this happens, the best
>thing
>you can do is to shake him loose and to encourage him toward your leg.) After
>all the water is drained from the tub, it is a simple matter to just reach
>down
>and dry the cat.
>
>In a few days the cat will relax enough to be removed from your leg. He will
>usually have nothing to say for about three weeks and will spend a lot of time
>sitting with his back to you. He might even become psychoceramic and
>develop the
>fixed stare of a plaster figurine.
>
>You will be tempted to assume he is angry. This isn't usually the case. As a
>rule he is simply plotting ways to get through your defenses and injure
>you for
>life the next time 

Re: CS and the meat you eat

[Pamela Grant]

>>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis.  I don't think CS kills
>>worms.
>>

Oh heck, just stick a couple of electrodes into your meat and give it a
good zap. That should do.

>>"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote:
>
>>> Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the
>>>secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we
>>>were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle.
>>>Cooked food is toxic.
>>>
>>> I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes,
>>>and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel
>>>movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw
>>>hamburger, *soak it in CS*.
>>
>
>
>>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis.  I don't think CS kills
>>worms.
>>
>>Marshall
>>
>
>
>
>Hi Marshal;
>
>I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up.
>
>
>trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n.
>
>A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains
>trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the
>muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and
>edema of the face.
>---
>
>I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as
>a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef.
>
>Phil Sr.
>
>
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Re: CS and the meat you eat

[Pamela Grant]

Not for those who like it very rare



>I can understand the emotional appeal to soak meat in CS and it may
>prolong it use by date... but if you actually cook it isn't this a bit
>redundant?
>
>Ivan.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Judith Thamm" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2000 18:45
>Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat
>
>
>> I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have
>> never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten.
>>
>> I always bathe chicken in CS on principle.  Both my sons worked for a
>> time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and
>> almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised
>> too.
>>
>> I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken!
>> Judith.
>>
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CS and vaccines

[Pamela Grant]

Any knowledge, opinions, or testimonials out there as to any effect CS may
have on the detrimental efects of vaccinations?



>Instead of blowing billions pushing questionable
>vaccines on innocent, unsuspecting children, why aren't we
>addressing the safety issues that exist right now, today?
>
>Here's the tip of the iceberg:  Since 1988 autism increased
>273% in California and a startling 571% in Florida. Some
>researchers suspect the incidence rate is tied to MMR vaccine.
>What are we doing about it? Fifty percent of all "reported"
>adverse reactions to hepatitis B vaccine have been listed as
>"serious" vs. the typical 15% "serious" rate of other vaccines.
>What's wrong? Japan isn't into "mandated" infant vaccinations,
>rarely mixes vaccines, and dramatically altered their schedule
>to avoid adverse reactions. The Japanese now enjoy the lowest
>infant mortality rate in the world. The U.S. rate is a distant,
>embarrassing number 25. How come?
>
>Shouldn't we find out the reasons "why" before we accept even
>1 more of the 35 new vaccines heading our way? There's so
>much money in the toxic brew that some 150 more are in
>various stages of development. Other than the pharmaceutical
>companies, who the hell wants them?
>
>Why are our children being "mandated" into human guinea
>pigs?
>
>Amazingly enough, people roll up their sleeves - and those of
>their children - without even batting an eyelash. Please listen
>carefully to the words spoken to me by the mother of a
>seriously vaccine-injured child.
>
>"It never occurred to me that once you squirt it in, you can't get
>it out. My daughter will pay the penalty for the rest of her life."
>
>*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *
>
>Autistic children caused by MMR vaccine
>
>By Julie Foster © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com
>
>A report by Dr. Harold Buttram, a practicing physician in
>Quakertown, Pa., suggests the recent increase in the number of
>autistic children could be caused by the combination measles,
>mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine routinely given to
>children at age 18 months -- a phenomenon the Centers for
>Disease Control and Prevention claim is highly unlikely.
>
>In a past study of autistic children, researchers found that 84
>percent of the children had antibodies against a certain type of
>brain tissue, indicating that the immune system was destroying
>brain cells. The researchers also found the brain tissue antibody
>to be very similar to the antibody that's formed against the
>MMR vaccine. Additionally, MMR antibody was found in
>59 percent of the autistic children compared to 10 percent in
>normal children.
>
>Buttram also noted some experts believe certain childhood
>illnesses including measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox
>are a necessary and helpful step in strengthening the immune
>system. Because the vaccines are given by injection, the immune
>response of the mucous membranes, through which these
>diseases enter the body, is not challenged and strengthened.
>Those who support the theory also attribute the use of vaccines
>to the great increase in cases of asthma and eczema, both of
>which are diseases of the mucous membranes.
>
>Buttram was quick to point out that measles and other diseases
>may result in complications that cause brain injury. Therefore,
>physicians and government officials may be choosing between
>the lesser of two evils.
>
>"It is true that there may be situations where extreme measures
>may be justified, as the lesser of two evils, to preserve life
>and health," Buttram wrote. "The basic question, therefore, is
>whether the benefits of current childhood vaccines outweigh
>the harm, or whether the reverse is true."
>
>The incidence of autism in California increased 273 percent
>from 1987 to 1998, and a growing number of medical
>professionals are questioning the FDA's vaccine safety tests.
>
>"A small but growing minority of physicians and scientists are
>becoming aware that safety testing for the various vaccines has
>been woefully inadequate," Buttram wrote.
>
>He cited a 1994 National Academy of Sciences review of
>the safety of the hepatitis B vaccine. The review was done to
>investigate five possible adverse effects of the vaccine. However,
>conclusions could not be made about four of the effects due to
>a lack of enough research.
>
>Dr. Bernard Rimland, founder and director of the Autism
>Research Institute in San Diego, Calif., told
>DiscoveryHealth.com, "There are no data on the triple
>vaccines."
>
>When the institute opened in 1967, Rimland noticed that a
>number of parents had mentioned that the diptheria, pertussin
>and tetanus, or DPT, vaccine seemed to have an adverse effect
>on their children.
>
>"In the late '70s and early '80s, we began hearing the same
>thing about MMR," he said.
>
>Rimland pointed out that triple vaccines can put additional stress
>on the body. A person's immune system usually deals with one
>virus at a time. Combining the individual measles, mumps and
>rubella vaccines into one pa

CS and the meat you eat

[Pamela Grant]

Does anyone soak store-bought meat in CS? This idea I got after reading the
following:


To: list 
Subject: Tumor Meat

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TUMOR MEAT

Meat from diseased animals approved for consumers
By LANCE GAY
Scripps Howard News Service
July 14, 2000

WASHINGTON - The federal agency overseeing food inspection
is imposing new rules reclassifying as safe for human consumption
animal carcasses with cancers, tumors and open sores.

Federal meat inspectors and consumer groups are protesting the
move to classify tumors and open sores as aesthetic problems,
which permits the meat to get the government's purple seal of
approval as a wholesome food product.

"I don't want to eat pus from a chicken that has pneumonia.
I think it's gross," said Wenonah Hauter, director of Public
Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project. "Most Americans don't
want to eat this sort of contamination in their meals."

Delmer Jones, a federal food inspector for 41 years who lives
in Renlap, Ala., said he's so revolted by the lowering of food
wholesomeness standards that he doesn't buy meat at the
supermarket anymore because he doesn't trust that it is safe
to eat.

"I eat very little to no meat, but sardines and fish," said Jones,
president of the National Joint Council of Meat Inspection
Locals, a union of 7,000 meat inspectors nationwide affiliated
with the American Federation of Government Employees. He
said he's trying to get his wife to stop eating meat. "I've told
her what she's eating."

The union is battling related Agriculture Department plans
to rely on scientific testing of samples of butchered meats to
determine the wholesomeness of meat, rather than traditional
item-by-item scrutiny by federal inspectors. A 1959 federal law
requires inspectors from the Agriculture Department's Food
Inspection and Safety System to inspect
all slaughtered animals before they can be sold for human
consumption.

The Agriculture Department began implementing the new policy
as part of a pilot project in 24 slaughter houses last October, and
plans to expand the system nationwide covering poultry, beef and
pork. The agency this month extended until Aug. 29 the time for
the public to comment on the regulations, and won't issue final
rules until after the comments are received.

In 1998, the inspections and safety system reclassified an array
of animal diseases as being "defects that rarely or never present
a direct public health risk" and said "unaffected carcass portions"
could be passed on to consumers by cutting out lesions.

Among animal diseases the agency said don't present a health
danger are:

- Cancer;

- A pneumonia of poultry called airsacculitis;

- Glandular swellings or lymphomas;

- Sores;

- Infectious arthritis;

- Diseases caused by intestinal worms.

In the case of tumors, the guidelines state: "remove localized
lesion(s) and pass unaffected carcass portions."

"They just cut off the areas,'' said Carol Blake, spokeswoman
for the Agriculture Department's inspection and safety system.

But Jones and consumer groups say production lines are moving
so fast that they can't catch all the diseased carcasses, and some
are ending up on supermarket shelves.

"When I started inspecting, inspectors were looking at 13 birds
a minute, then 40, and now it's 91 birds a minute with three
inspectors. You cannot do your job with 91 birds a minute,"
Jones said.

The Agriculture Department is also experimenting with proposed
rules that would require federal food inspectors to monitor what
the plant employees are doing, rather than inspecting each
carcass individually. They are aimed at bringing a new scientific
approach to federal meat inspection to cut down on E. coli
bacteria and other contamination.

The inspection and safety agency says a survey of pilot plants
using the new system concluded that less than 1 percent of the
poultry examined at the end of the production line and released
for public consumption was unwholesome.

At a public hearing on the findings this year, Karen Henderson
of Agriculture's division of field operations admitted that
defective carcasses are being approved for human use under
the pilot program.

"Absolutely. There's no system that we are aware of that is
capable of removing every defect from the process," she said.

Felicia Nestor, director of the Government Accountability
Project, a Washington watchdog group, said the pilot project
found chickens with higher levels of fecal and other
contamination than in traditional methods of inspecting.

"A lot of diseased animals are going out," she said.

A. Raymond Randolph, a federal appeals court judge, this month
said federal food safety laws require meat and poultry inspectors
to examine every carcass that moves through slaughterhouses and
processing plants.

"The laws clearly contemplate that when inspections are done,
it will be federal inspectors, rather than private employees,
who will make the critical

Re: CS>H2O2 and oxygenation

[Pamela Grant]

Oops everyone--sorry, I meant to send that e-mail to Judith's personal
e-mail--there goes my head again--darn



>Nag nag nag!!!  I've got a husband to do that! ;)
>
>I don't have time to go online every day - and next week I start doing
>the last 13 months of someone's books  kept a la shoe box style -
>boxes of papers!.. a busy small - business... so I shall have less
>time.  I'm not an accountant, but I do know how to set up and run a
>business from the computer - and I'll charge less than her
>accountant - he can have them to finish when I get them fit for
>presentation!  [and the extra money will be nice..:) ]
>
>I don't have a letter from you Pamela asking me about H2O2.  Please
>send it again.  School holidays are on here just now and I've gone on
>late in the day - not my normal time and had drop outs as I've taken
>down the mail.  May have got the chop.
>
>Judith.
>
>
>
>> > << CAN H2o2 be ingested?  Does this oxygenate the blood?
>> >   >>
>
>Yes and there are a lot of buts..  not undiluted.  Why do you want to
>take it?  It is not a one-shot or 2-shot job like CS.
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>H2O2 and oxygenation

[Pamela Grant]

>I don't have a letter from you Pamela asking me about H2O2.

Could be the brain injury, but I don't remember needing to ask you a
question on H2O2. I have a book on it and I used to do intravenously--til
they ran that poor medical doctor out of town--the bastards--oh well





>Nag nag nag!!!  I've got a husband to do that! ;)
>
>I don't have time to go online every day - and next week I start doing
>the last 13 months of someone's books  kept a la shoe box style -
>boxes of papers!.. a busy small - business... so I shall have less
>time.  I'm not an accountant, but I do know how to set up and run a
>business from the computer - and I'll charge less than her
>accountant - he can have them to finish when I get them fit for
>presentation!  [and the extra money will be nice..:) ]
>
>I don't have a letter from you Pamela asking me about H2O2.  Please
>send it again.  School holidays are on here just now and I've gone on
>late in the day - not my normal time and had drop outs as I've taken
>down the mail.  May have got the chop.
>
>Judith.
>
>
>
>> > << CAN H2o2 be ingested?  Does this oxygenate the blood?
>> >   >>
>
>Yes and there are a lot of buts..  not undiluted.  Why do you want to
>take it?  It is not a one-shot or 2-shot job like CS.
>
>
>
>
>
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CS for diagnosed HIV?

[Pamela Grant]

Before you decide to take CS for HIV, know what some experts are saying
about HIV(not a virus):


Subject: Neville Hodgkinson in South Africa


> The Sunday Independent, Johannesburg, published the following article
> in their "Inside Story" section of the main newspaper on 9 July 2000:
>
> Headline: "Some observers are critical of HIV theory and they have a
> right to be heard"
>
> By Neville Hodgkinson
>
> The huge flaws in the HIV theory go deeper than questions over the
> extent to which HIV is the cause of Aids, or the toxicity or
> effectiveness of drugs directed against the virus.  Astonishingly, they
> challenge the very existence of the virus itself - and thus, the
> validity of the HIV test - as well as the multibillion-dollar industry
> producing pharmaceutical interventions for Aids.
>
> Some of the scientists contributing to President Thabo Mbeki's Aids
> Advisory Panel have been trying for more than a decade to demonstrate
> these flaws to the scientific community.  No one would listen.  None of
> the mainstream journals would publish their work.  There was no
> discussion.
>
>  From the beginning, powerful political, social and commercial forces
> shaped Aids science, and the possibility that the HIV theory might be
> fundamentally wrong soon became scientifically unthinkable.
>
> This is one reason why Mbeki has incurred such incomprehension and
> criticism.  Few of the doctors and scientists who signed last week's
> pro-HIV Durban Declaration know of the criticism to which the HIV theory
> has been subjected.  There has been an information blackout by leading
> scientific journals such as Nature, which helped organise the
> declaration.
>
> While scientists are pressing for a reappraisal of the HIV theory, the
> most comprehensive critique has been developed by a group of scientists
> based in Perth, Australia.  Two members of the group, Eleni Papadopulos-
> Eleopulos, a medical physicist, and Dr Val Turner, an emergency
> physician, were in Johannesburg last week to give evidence to the
> advisory panel.  They received support from scientists in other fields
> of expertise, including epidemiology, virus isolation and HIV diagnosis.
> It was on the basis of this evidence that the panel agreed to research
> the validity of the HIV test.
>
> This is what the Perth group says:
>
> · Cells of the immune system can become over-stimulated as a result of a
> variety of biological assaults.  When this happens, they produce
> biochemical signals that HIV theorists have misinterpreted as evidence
> for the presence of a new virus.
>
> · Triggers for this reaction include exposure to infections, especially
> in malnourished people whose immunity is already compromised; heavy
> exposure to blood and blood products and other body fluids, including
> semen; and heavy drug use.
>
> · The body produces antibodies in response to this reaction, but these
> antibodies are to products of the disordered cells, not to a viral
> invader.
>
> · Poor people in Africa and elsewhere are especially at risk of testing
> positive for these antibodies, but this is not because of the spread of
> a sexually transmitted virus.  It is because they are more at risk of
> being exposed to long-established infections, particularly tuberculosis,
> that trigger a positive result with the HIV test.
>
> · People who test positive are at increased risk of becoming ill, and of
> dying if no action is taken over the true cause of their illness.
> However, this is not because they are infected with a lethal virus.  If
> the conditions that caused them to test positive are changed, they are
> likely to stay well.
>
> · The HIV test is useful in screening blood, because it helps exclude
> donations from carriers of TB and other disorders.  But it is tragically
> misleading to tell individuals who test positive that they have HIV.
>
> · Claims that the tests are accurate in diagnosing the presence of HIV
> are unfounded.  The tests have never been validated by showing that the
> virus is present in those who test positive, and not in those who test
> negative.  The method used has simply been to show that people in
> Western "risk groups" for Aids are much more likely to test positive
> than healthy people.  The Perth group agrees that this association is
> present, but says it does nothing to prove HIV as the cause.
>
> · The test could not be validated by showing the presence of HIV,
> because no such virus has ever been isolated from patients, according to
> previously accepted standards.
>
> · When immune cells are heavily stimulated in the laboratory, they can
> produce particles and other products of the genes in the cells.  From
> these,  viral tests have been developed, but the  same criticism
> applies: they have never been validated against isolation of purified
> HIV.
>
> In the rush to come first with a viral cause of Aids, scientists
> mistakenly inferred the presence of a unique, new, sexually transmitted
> microbe, and have

Re: CS>Structured Water

[Pamela Grant]

Now wouldn't it save so much more time if one were open-minded in the first
place? Humans, they are SO agravating!




>Hi Ya'all,
>
>When the discussions on structures water I thought that you all were a
>bunch of "loony Tunes"!!
>Thanks to Ivan for the patent number. I went to "patents.ibm.com" and
>downloaded Lorwnzen's latest patent dated March 7,200. It describes the
>equipment and how to make it. All you need is about $10,000 to get
>started. The glass work is not simple as one might suspect and then one
>needs a press chamber and shaker table.
>
>Oh I don't want to forget the "clean room" requirement. Then when you
>use the stuff it must be diluted 10^3 to 10^ 20 to be safe. The
>preferred dilutant i triple distilled water.
>
>Oh yes, one needs an MRA at 100 giga hertz and a O MNR at 25 to 125
>Hertz. Then don't forget the conductivity meter and the surface tension
>meter.
>
>Other than that it is a very simple process if you can get the right
>magnet material inside of the first still column.
>
>Next I want to look up John Wlillard's patents and see what gyrations he
>goes through for his product.
>
>Happy structuring.
>
>"Ole Bob"
>
>
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Re: CS>H2O2 and oxygenation

[Pamela Grant]

Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:12:54 -0500
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: Pamela Grant  Subject: H2O2 and oxygenation
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:

> << CAN H2o2 be ingested?  Does this oxygenate the blood?
>   >>
> I am still waiting for an answer on that one, from Judith, at her
e-mail
> address at: galing...@chariot.net.au.  Try e-mailing her.  Perhaps
she'll
> write you back.  Nada so far, for me.
>
> Lynn

>>I think you will find that a couple of good breathes will supply more
>
>oxygen to the blood than any amount of H2O2 will furnish. The useful
>
>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation.

>>Ivan.


In response to Ivan's remark:

>The useful
>>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation.
>>Ivan.



Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William
Campbell Douglass,M.D.

Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure
the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a
delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the
inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The
weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning
fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon
with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes
up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the
tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH
AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less
than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began
to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that
level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment
levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the
measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of
expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the
temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation
has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate,
the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the
tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body
surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in
oxygen consumption and vasodilation.A sensitive little photo-electric
cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume.
This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels
throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse
volume throughout the treatment.All of these measurements-the
oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were
duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave
much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that
your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases
studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the
importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your
temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell
if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can
deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the
oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in
medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with
vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't.
There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant
observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen
couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He
calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause
the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even
if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would
be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results
measured.   He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation
is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the
objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen
could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct,
but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark
research.

How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same
results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good
experiment.

If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But
for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to send to you all,
unless the interest is there.

Pam

>>In a message date

Re: CS>Ozone vs negative ions, CS for acne

[Pamela Grant]

Well, I'll have to starrt rubbing some of that CS on my face--sounds like
a good facial--maybe even steam it on. Anyway, I have an ionizer--will that
do?

PG





>Hi Steve,
>
>not confused, indeed ozone is a negative ion.
>Sunlight (UV) produces ozone in the spray and mists, and humid air found
>at these places.
>
>Corona discharge negative ion generators produce some ozone in air.
>
>You know, now that I think of it, I haven't any acne since taking CS,
>nor cold sores.
>
>Ivan.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Steve Young" 
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2000 12:43
>Subject: CS>Ozone vs negative ions, CS for acne
>
>
>> Ivan,
>>
>> Your statement of "near rivers and waterfalls" makes me wonder if you
>are
>> confusing negative air ions and ozone.  I know the negative ion levels
>are
>> higher outside, especially near waterfalls, and the effect is supposed
>to be
>> healthful.  The Russians reportedly use a lot of negative ion
>generators in
>> commercial air conditioning installations, supposedly with good
>effects.  I
>> can't imagine how a waterfall can produce ozone - what would be the
>> mechanism?
>>
>> Let's see, to stay on topic, I have to add a CS statement I suppose.
>Some
>> friends say using CS topically on the face of their teenagers has
>> dramatically reduced acne, and works much better than the special $50
>goop
>> they bought.
>> --Steve
>
>
>
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Re: CS>H2O2 and oxygenation

[Pamela Grant]

Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:12:54 -0500
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: Pamela Grant  Subject: H2O2 and oxygenation
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:

> << CAN H2o2 be ingested?  Does this oxygenate the blood?
>   >>
> I am still waiting for an answer on that one, from Judith, at her
e-mail
> address at: galing...@chariot.net.au.  Try e-mailing her.  Perhaps
she'll
> write you back.  Nada so far, for me.
>
> Lynn

>>I think you will find that a couple of good breathes will supply more
>
>oxygen to the blood than any amount of H2O2 will furnish. The useful
>
>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation.

>>Ivan.


In response to Ivan's remark:

>The useful
>>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation.
>>Ivan.



Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William
Campbell Douglass,M.D.

Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure
the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a
delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the
inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The
weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning
fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon
with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes
up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the
tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH
AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less
than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began
to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that
level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment
levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the
measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of
expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the
temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation
has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate,
the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the
tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body
surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in
oxygen consumption and vasodilation.A sensitive little photo-electric
cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume.
This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels
throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse
volume throughout the treatment.All of these measurements-the
oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were
duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave
much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that
your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases
studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the
importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your
temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell
if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can
deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the
oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in
medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with
vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't.
There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant
observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen
couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He
calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause
the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even
if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would
be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results
measured.   He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation
is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the
objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen
could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct,
but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark
research.

How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same
results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good
experiment.

If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But
for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to send to you all,
unless the interest is there.

Pam

>>In a message date

Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks Ivan. I forget you are so far away.






>Hi Pam,
>
>Ozone is ozone and is irritating to mucus membranes at high
>concentrations. The smell is not a consistent measurement device.
>
>Ozone is not toxic per se, but produces toxic compounds when it reacts
>with pollution. The typical home has less ozone present than will be
>found in the countryside especially near rivers and waterfalls. The
>concentration at these places is healthful, and tests have been
>undertaken which prove that the generation of small amounts of ozone
>into the air lessens the illness rate of children at school.
>
>In my daughters room, I set the air pump and ozone generator, close the
>door and let it run for 3 or 4 hours, after which I open the door and
>windows to a lovely fresh room. I do the other rooms in the house
>periodically.
>
>I use an aquarium air pump of some 4 Litres per minute max and an
>aquarium ozoniser of 150mg/L . I sell these as part of the 4 point Beck
>protocol although that is perhaps not much use to you on the other side
>of the world... mind you the US$ is worth 2 x NZ$.
>
>Any way, hope this is of help... and jolly good luck.
>
>Ivan
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Pamela Grant" 
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, 15 July 2000 12:34
>Subject: Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?
>
>
>> Thanks Ivan. I am open to any opinions out there as to a good,
>non-toxic
>> ozone generator. Or are they as effective? What kind do you use, Ivan?
>>
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> >Pam,
>> >
>> >Go with the ozone.
>> >My daughters room is very damp, and I have found that 3or 4 hrs of
>ozone
>> >treatment per week eliminates mould and musty smell.
>> >
>> >I use the same machine (aquarium air pump and ozonator) that I use
>for
>> >ozonising drinking water.
>> >
>> >A spray with CS helps also.
>> >
>> >Ivan.
>
>
>
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Pamela Grant]

Sounds good



>Dear Pam,
>CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself.  It
>is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make.
>
>Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits -
>increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.
>
>Eating cooked potatoes [neutral -  thought to give a balance in the
>body] in a main meal and a fresh pear after your evening meal will
>send your body back into alkaline.
>
>Judith.
>- Original Message -
>From: Pamela Grant 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:11 AM
>Subject: CS=alkaline?
>
>
>> Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body
>terrain
>> alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have
>no
>> idea what I did to get that way.
>>
>> pam
>>
>
>
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Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?

[Pamela Grant]

It's just a drab gray cellar with yellow fungus on the rock walls, black
couldn't possibly hurt the looks(just kidding)



>   ##  A humidifier would probably work but if CS leaves a black deposit
>after the water is removed, you might wind up with a sterile black room.
>comments?
>  ken
>
>At 09:57 AM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 7/13/00 7:52:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
>>pjgr...@northnet.org writes:
>>
>><< It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never
>>  makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to
>>  have confiscated by the "you know who's".
>>
>>  Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I
>>  have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem.
>>  I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and
>>  spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also
>>  considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso
>>  be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the
>>  clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides
>>  moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier
>>  using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly
>>  as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What
>>  about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a
>>  friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping
>>  for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new
>>  invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge?
>>
>>  Pam
>>   >>
>>The only way I can see you using the CS is by direct application to the
>>surfaces. It would have a better result because of the residual effect than
>>hydrogen peroxide like I have used. That is quickly lost with it. But I see
>>no way to really get what you want by only trying to do this through
>>atomization.
>>
>>Gene Downey
>>
>>
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Re: CS and Fibromyalgia

[Pamela Grant]

Could you tell us more about this
>CFIDS Buyers' Club?

Thanks,
PG






>I have had severe FM for years. It is now my conclusion that there may
>be pathogens involved, ie. Lyme, viruses, bacteria etc.
>I, for example, just got positive Lyme tests, and I have high titers for
>several other bacteria and virusesalso. In this case, I expect my FM to
>get much better the longer I am daily and consistently on large doses of
>cs.
>
>Also, I am hearing good reports about those with FM feeling better--ie
>deeper sleep, more stamina, increased immune function with something
>that promotes Human Growth Hormone in the body, which declines as we
>age. I just had mine tested (using the IGF1 test) and on a scale of 80
>tp 430, mine was a 79. Goodness. My body can't heal itself with levels
>that low. So I am looking for a good product. I think I will be trying
>VesPro from the CFIDS Buyers' Club. I have heard many positive things
>about.
>
>Hope
>
>
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Re: CS>concerning water

[Pamela Grant]

How funny. I meant to write Turkey(country, not the bird)




>Ivan, are you familiar with the "Living Water" that is being develop0ed in
>turkey, I believe? I think the name of the website Shirley C. gave me is
>called "Perfect Science". They have a super-ionized water that is literally
>cleaning up large bodies of water. I called a guy from Florida(Jim Trider)
>to see if I could get ahold of this water---but it looks like I
>cannot(well, perhaps can through a proposal). I
>had read a report about a guy who presented SIW to the govt. The govt.
>brought in 2 extremely polluted aquariums of water(green sludge--lots of
>heavy metal poisoning and the other wellpolluted water with petroleum and
>what-not) for this guy to "clean up". As the guy spoke he
>poured in the SIW water he "invented" and within an hour the aquariums' water
>was as pure as DW.
>
>I am asking you, by any chance, if you are familiar with this "super
>ionized water" and do you know how they produced it? A friend and myself would
>like to get ahold of this water and begin to clean up the Great
>Lakes---buy it, make it--anyway we can.
>
>Wishful thinking,
>Pam

Here is a quote for you Ivan:

"When you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project,
all your thoughts break their bonds; Your mind transcends limitations, your
consciousness expands in every direction,and you find yourself in a new,
great and wonderful world. Dormant forces, faculties and talents become
alive,
and you discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever
dreamed yourself to be."
   -- Patanjali





>
>
>
>
>
>>Just a few observations, having followed the water thread.
>>
>>Distilled water is 'dead' in that it exists in the most stable low
>>energy state possible, it has no 'extra energy to impart into systems
>>other than the classic redox potential. The bond angle between the
>>oxygen and hydrogen atoms is as low as 94deg but when reacted with ozone
>>or a vortex etc. the bond angle increases, implying a storage of energy,
>>and it is probably due to this change in configuration that stable water
>>crystals or structuring is enabled and sustained. It is likely that
>>filtered or RO water retains the energy structure that it was filtered
>>with.
>>
>>Ionised water is not really ionised, that is, it is not physically
>>separated into its component ions, but rather the mineral cations or
>>positive ions are attracted to the negative electrode and take with them
>>the hydroxyl (OH-) portion of water (some of which is always present)
>>while the opposite is true at the other electrode where anions and
>>hydronium (H+) ions gather.
>>
>>In other words, alkaline forming substances migrate to one chamber and
>>the acid to another, the alkaline chamber being used for ingestion.
>>
>>This method of producing alkaline water is fine, but relies the presence
>>of minerals in the water, and will not work with distilled water...one
>>case where tap water is a plus!
>>
>>But, effective results, perhaps more so, can be achieved by using
>>alkaline drops such as those from Alkalife, whose lead I have followed.
>>These drops are useful in that they provide the alkaline minerals
>>potassium and sodium which are able to dissolve plaques and deposits,
>>the precursors to many diseases.
>>
>>The most effective results would be achieved by the addition of alkaline
>>drops to ionised water, as the acid part of water is separated and
>>discarded.
>>
>>Alkaline drops cost about $10 for 3 months supply, and so are very cost
>>effective.
>>
>>Ivan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CS for the eyes

[Pamela Grant]

I respect odd and unusual---even go look for it. This is good to know as I
have had vertigo on several occasions---CS by mouth worked for me.


Pam



>I used cs in my ears and it cured virtigo that two courses of antibiotics
>didn't help. Dr's agreed that theere was nothing to do but live with it. EVen
>had MRI's. Yea CS!!
>I keep learning thanks to you all.  Keep up the odd smattering of info, We
>never knnow when somthing odd, unusual will help us or someone. Betty Ft.
>Lauderdale
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Re: CS>Dr. Len Horowitz and "clustered water"

[Pamela Grant]

Yes, please Ivan, teach us, teach us(say it over and over). That is our
next chant(smile).

PG



> Consider me an "interested amateur".  Can you tell me how?  Also have
>done some laboratory glass blowing.
>
>Thought for the day:  I believe that water polo is all wet.
>
>Erwin
>
>Ivan Anderson wrote:
>
>http://www.tetrahedrThe patented method of
>generating clustered water, using a template molecule (herbs etc.) is well
>within the reach of interested amateurs.
>
>  






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Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks.



>I think the ozone idea is good.  Ozone quickly breaks down, so I would set it
>up, leave the house, and let it run a few hours.  Then turn it off and
>leave the
>house again for a while until it dissipates.
>
>Marshall
>
>gd...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 7/13/00 7:52:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> pjgr...@northnet.org writes:
>>
>> << It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never
>>  makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to
>>  have confiscated by the "you know who's".
>>
>>  Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I
>>  have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem.
>>  I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and
>>  spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also
>>  considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso
>>  be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the
>>  clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides
>>  moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier
>>  using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly
>>  as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What
>>  about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a
>>  friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping
>>  for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new
>>  invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge?
>>
>>  Pam
>>   >>
>> The only way I can see you using the CS is by direct application to the
>> surfaces. It would have a better result because of the residual effect than
>> hydrogen peroxide like I have used. That is quickly lost with it. But I see
>> no way to really get what you want by only trying to do this through
>> atomization.
>>
>> Gene Downey
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Re: CS>concerning water

[Pamela Grant]

Ivan, are you familiar with the "Living Water" that is being develop0ed in
turkey, I beleive? I think the name of the website Shirley C. gave me is
called "Perfect Scince". They have a super-ionized water that is literally
cleaning up large bodies of water. I called a guy from florida(Jim Trider)
to see if I could get ahold of this water---but ti looks like I cannot. I
had read a report about a guy who presented SIW to the govt. The govt.
brouht in 2 extremely polluted aquariums of water. As the guy spoke he
poured in the water he "invented" and within an hour the aquariums' water
was as pure as DW.

I am asking you, by any chance, if you are familiar with this "super
ionized water" do you know how they produced it? A friend and myself would
like to get ahold of this water and begin to clean up the Great Lakes.

Wishful thinking,
Pam





>Just a few observations, having followed the water thread.
>
>Distilled water is 'dead' in that it exists in the most stable low
>energy state possible, it has no 'extra energy to impart into systems
>other than the classic redox potential. The bond angle between the
>oxygen and hydrogen atoms is as low as 94deg but when reacted with ozone
>or a vortex etc. the bond angle increases, implying a storage of energy,
>and it is probably due to this change in configuration that stable water
>crystals or structuring is enabled and sustained. It is likely that
>filtered or RO water retains the energy structure that it was filtered
>with.
>
>Ionised water is not really ionised, that is, it is not physically
>separated into its component ions, but rather the mineral cations or
>positive ions are attracted to the negative electrode and take with them
>the hydroxyl (OH-) portion of water (some of which is always present)
>while the opposite is true at the other electrode where anions and
>hydronium (H+) ions gather.
>
>In other words, alkaline forming substances migrate to one chamber and
>the acid to another, the alkaline chamber being used for ingestion.
>
>This method of producing alkaline water is fine, but relies the presence
>of minerals in the water, and will not work with distilled water...one
>case where tap water is a plus!
>
>But, effective results, perhaps more so, can be achieved by using
>alkaline drops such as those from Alkalife, whose lead I have followed.
>These drops are useful in that they provide the alkaline minerals
>potassium and sodium which are able to dissolve plaques and deposits,
>the precursors to many diseases.
>
>The most effective results would be achieved by the addition of alkaline
>drops to ionised water, as the acid part of water is separated and
>discarded.
>
>Alkaline drops cost about $10 for 3 months supply, and so are very cost
>effective.
>
>Ivan
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Dr. Len Horowitz and "clustered water"

[Pamela Grant]

>
>The patented method of generating clustered water, using a template
>molecule (herbs etc.) is well within the reach of interested amateurs.


Even non-technical ones like me?

PG




>http://www.tetrahedron.org/
>
>Read here of  Len Horowitz, and clustered water.
>
>The patented method of generating clustered water, using a template
>molecule (herbs etc.) is well within the reach of interested amateurs.
>The water drop pictures are quite beautiful and revealing...
>
>The water retains the energy signature of the template and elicits
>similar responses.
>I have read a patent where the inventor describes how water can be given
>the signature of a huge range of substances, including fuels, but needed
>a substantial quantity of custom glass work.
>
>Both require the reprogramming of steam.
>
>Ivan.
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Pamela Grant" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, 14 July 2000 18:22
>Subject: CS>Dr. Len Horowitz and "clustered water"
>
>
>> Someone asked about how to obtain "clustered water", then someone else
>> responded: Dr. Len Horowitz. Then I believe someone asked how to
>contact
>> him. Well, here it is:
>>
>>  Email : te...@tetrahedron.org
>>
>>  Tetrahedron,Inc.
>>  P.O. Box 2033 Sandpoint, ID. 83864 U.S.A.
>>  Tel. 208-265-2575 (office) Order Line: 888-508-4787
>>  or save 20% on all orders by clicking here
>>  100% secure online ordering!
>
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Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks Ivan. I am open to any opinions out there as to a good, non-toxic
ozone generator. Or are they as effective? What kind do you use, Ivan?

Pam



>Pam,
>
>Go with the ozone.
>My daughters room is very damp, and I have found that 3or 4 hrs of ozone
>treatment per week eliminates mould and musty smell.
>
>I use the same machine (aquarium air pump and ozonator) that I use for
>ozonising drinking water.
>
>A spray with CS helps also.
>
>Ivan.
>
>----- Original Message -
>From: "Pamela Grant" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, 14 July 2000 13:29
>Subject: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?
>
>
>> It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list
>never
>> makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic
>to
>> have confiscated by the "you know who's".
>>
>> Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem.
>I
>> have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this
>problem.
>> I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and
>> spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also
>> considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would
>lso
>> be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for
>the
>> clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet,
>besides
>> moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a
>humidifier
>> using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs
>constantly
>> as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air?
>What
>> about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a
>> friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really
>hoping
>> for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new
>> invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge?
>>
>> Pam
>
>
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CS>Dr. Len Horowitz and "clustered water"

[Pamela Grant]

Someone asked about how to obtain "clustered water", then someone else
responded: Dr. Len Horowitz. Then I believe someone asked how to contact
him. Well, here it is:

 Email : te...@tetrahedron.org

 Tetrahedron,Inc.
 P.O. Box 2033 Sandpoint, ID. 83864 U.S.A.
 Tel. 208-265-2575 (office) Order Line: 888-508-4787
 or save 20% on all orders by clicking here
 100% secure online ordering!





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CS>H2O2 and oxygenation

[Pamela Grant]

>The useful
>>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation.
>>
>>Ivan.



Taken from the book:  HYDROGEN PEROXIDE:  MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William
Campbell Douglass,M.D.

Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure
the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a
delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the
inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The
weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning
fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon
with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes
up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the
tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH
AND LONGEVITY.
The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less than two minutes
after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began to rise. The rate
of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that level until the
infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment levels in about
thirty minutes.
The other experiment involved the measuring of the change in body
surface temperature as a result of expansion of the tiny blood vessels in
the skin(vasodilation). If the temperature goes up during the H2O2
infusion, then the body's oxygenation has increased and vasoldilation has
occurred. If the blood vessels dilate, the circulation improves and, again,
more vital oxygen is getting to the tissues. Within five to ten minutes
after starting the infusion, the body surface temperature goes up by one
degree, corresponding to the increase in oxygen consumption and
vasodilation.
A sensitive little photo-electric cell was placed at the end of the
index finger to measure the pulse volume. This is an accurate assessment of
the expansion of the tiny blood vessels throughout your body. There was a
clear and sustained increase of the pulse volume throughout the treatment.
All of these measurements-the oxygen consumption, the temperature
rise and the blood vessel dilation-were duplicated for six consecutive days
on all patients. That doesn't leave much room for coincidence. In fact, the
essence of scientific proof is that your results can be consistently
repeated in a high percentage of cases studied. 100% repeatability is not
too bad.
So now you can see the importance of these experiments in your own
case. By simply taking your temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at
the fingertip we can tell if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its
potency(the solution can deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the
desired effect of the oxygenation of tissue in your body.
There are so few treatments in medicine where the results can be so
readily and easily determined as with vantage over any other form of
treatment. Either it's working or it isn't. There is usually no in-between.
Dr. Farr made another brilliant observation from his studies. He
perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen couldn't possibly explain the
doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He calculated that it would take
approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause the increase in
oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even if the infusion
was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would be produced-less
than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results measured.
He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation is due to
the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the objections
being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen could be
getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct, but the
results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark research.

How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same
results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good
experiment.

If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But
for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to sendto you all,
unless the interest is there.

Pam







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CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?

[Pamela Grant]

It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never
makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to
have confiscated by the "you know who's".

Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I
have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem.
I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and
spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also
considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso
be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the
clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides
moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier
using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly
as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What
about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a
friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping
for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new
invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge?

Pam





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Re: CS for the eyes

[Pamela Grant]

Thank you everyone for your respones. I just got back to my computer as I
was putting CS drops into my eyes. Next, I am thinking of trying it in my
ears.

PG


>Thanks,
>Pam>>
>
>  I have used it in my eyes with good results.
>  -hamilton
>
>hamilton williams
>hamilto...@webtv.net
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Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Pamela Grant]

>> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as
>>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing,

Are you talking about how far apart the silver wires are? And if so, what
is the going consensus for this amount of space between the wires?

PG


>> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as
>>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and
>>current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch
>
>To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm
>the solution should contain. What do you aim for?
>
>>To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just
>>made to your next batch to jump start it
>
>This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is?
>
>>If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.
>
>Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had
>success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the
>solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to
>that "inner voice" that said "this ketchup is too old and you will get
>sick"---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so
>quickly on ?salmonella)
>
>>>  I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more
>
>Thanks. This is what I wanted to know.
>
>In Search of the Miracle Cure,
>Pam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>   ##  I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really
>>specific answers but in general.
>>  It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water.  To
>>hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made
>>to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take
>>a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing,
>>electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size
>>of the container/batch.
>>  If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you
>>shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes.  It's
>>working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just
>>a few minutes.
>>  A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect.
>>  If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black
>>deposit on the other, it has been working.
>>  Some people can't taste CS I suppose.  I usually can if my taste buds
>>aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit.
>>  If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.
>>
>>  I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and
>>the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days.  Your setup may
>>react differently. Try it.
>>  Ken
>>
>> At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thank you so much for your response.
>>
>> I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo.
>> The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus,
>> the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for  that
>> matter). Just one problem:  when I used salt(in the past), I saw an
>> immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time
>> the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop
>> processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown.  Without
>> the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should
>> have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the
>> generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have  the
>> temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I
>> knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after
>> 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank
>> more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was
>> gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't
>> know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was
>> unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my
>> symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was
>> any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and
>> preferred for solution to be clear--correct?).
>>
>> What is my question now? I have 2 questions:
>>
>> 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees?
>>
>> 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent
>>batch?
>>
>> I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution
>> and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared
>> slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and
>> what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to
>> turn off the generator?
>>
>> PG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks Chuck. You know, I look So forward to your e-mails just so that I
can read another one of your quotes. They are great. Do you make them up? I
am still laughing.

Pam




>Mucho info on wateroz at:
>   http://www.waterozdirect.com
>   Chuck
>Sometimes, I'm so good I make myself sick!
>
>
>On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:27:59 EDT, samma...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Hi all -
>>
>>  I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had
>>given in an old post.  For those interested, the original WaterOz does not
>>have a website yet.  Email response from WaterOz below.
>>
>>Samantha
>
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Re: CS>for the eyes?

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks,
PG



>Hi Pam,
>
>I mixed up some CS and MSM (the MSM to just below saturation) for eye
>drops. My wife and I both use it and it seems to work just fine. Sure
>beats that commercial poly-plastic eye solution stuff she was using.
>
>Ron
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try
>> putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pam
>>
>> And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy,
>> Pam
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Re: CS>for the eyes?

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks Inga.



>Hi, l use cs in my contact lens case..l just add one sm drop to each side.
>Also l have put a drop in my eyes directly if l see a redness or feel
>irritation in them. l have NO problems with my eyes at all. l feel it is safe
>to do this since l have had no ill effects doing it. The ppm l have is
>13ppm..but l only use a sm drop.
>
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Re: CS>for the eyes?

[Pamela Grant]

For some reason, what you wrote brought up another question(I guess in
relation to the body's ability to absorb through the skin):

Does anyone bath in CS and what has been your experience?

PG





>In a message dated 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST, pjgr...@northnet.org writes:
>
><< Subj: CS>for the eyes?
> Date:  7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST
> From:  pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant)
> Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try
> putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group.
>
> Thanks,
> Pam
>
>
>
> And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy,
> Pam
>  >>
>
>Pam:
>
>Just the other day one of my eye lids got quite red and my eye was beginning
>to get red as well. I put a tissue soaked in my 1 PPM HVAC CS over both
>closed eyes before bedtime for about 10-15 minutes. I followed this procedure
>for two consecutive nights, and the redness disappeared by the third day. I'm
>sure that if I were more consciences, the problem would have disappeared a
>lot faster
>
>Roger
>
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Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]

[Pamela Grant]

Do they have a colloidal copper water also? I too, am interested in the
colloidal gold. Are you familiar with Dan Winters? Perhaps before drinking
the colloidal gold, you should read what has been said, if you haven't
already(implosion of heart, the need to project love so as to avoid when
consuming CG---else go into borg state---just hints. If you want that
article I think I have one saved on disk somewhere and can e-mail you off
list if you like)

Pam


>In a message dated 7/13/00 3:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
>pjgr...@northnet.org writes:
>
>> What is the WaterOz?
>>
>>  PG
>>
>>
>
>  It's a company that sells colloidal mineral water.  Their prices are good
>and they have been recommended by listers during the time I've been here.  At
>the moment, I am interested in their colloidal gold mineral water.
>
>Samantha
>
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Re: CS>for the eyes?

[Pamela Grant]

Thank you Marshall, will do.

PG




>Always when there is an eye infection.  Normally quits itching immediately,
>and clears up totally within a few hours.  Only use clear CS though to avoid
>any possibility of staining.
>
>Marshall
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try
>> putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pam
>>
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>> Pam
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Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]

[Pamela Grant]

What is the WaterOz?

PG





>Hi all -
>
>  I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had
>given in an old post.  For those interested, the original WaterOz does not
>have a website yet.  Email response from WaterOz below.
>
>Samantha
>
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>Samantha,
>
>Thank you for the kind e-mail.  Unfortunately, your question about whether
>WaterOz has a website is somewhat complicated.  At first, WaterOz company
>policy was to only sell to wholesalers and retailers, so we allowed
>distributors to use our name on the Internet.  But now that we are selling
>to the general public, we have reclaimed our trademark, and we will be using
>the http://www.wateroz.com site by mid-August.  But as of this today's date,
>WaterOz has NO website of its own.  See, I told you it would be complicated.
>
>John
>WaterOz
>1-800-547-2294
>Rt. 1, Box 104-B
>Grangeville, ID 83530




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CS>for the eyes?

[Pamela Grant]

Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try
putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group.

Thanks,
Pam



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Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water

[Pamela Grant]

I don't know. That is a good point. And yes, Lords or Lourdes is one of the
places. But, does that explain(H2O2) the difference under the microscope
for the structure of the molecule? I just found the packet sent along with
my "clustered water" product. Next to the photo of a distilled water
molecule it states:

"Water is shown to have memory. This molecule of distilled water is an
example of what happens when water is stripped or had its memory erased."

Can anyone enlighten me as to what they mean by the "memory" of the water?

Thanks,
Pam




>Is Lairds or Lards France one of the 6 healing water sites you refer
>to?  If so the healing power of this site is Hydrogen Peroxide. If you
>were to take a test strip, it would test high in H2O2 naturally.  I have
>heard much about this clustered water, is it possible that clustered
>water does not hold it's energy for very long after it has been bottled,
>I wonder?
>Blessings
>Ted
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> > Okay, try to convince me.
>> > At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced"
>> by a
>> > beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen
>> could achieve to
>> > the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters
>> sites around the
>> > world.
>> >
>>
>
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CS=alkaline?

[Pamela Grant]

Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain
alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no
idea what I did to get that way.

pam



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Re: CS>nobody home

[Pamela Grant]

> P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob
>>had. :>

that is so funny! perhaps I do rant--but a pig I am not any more. lost 38
lbs. in 4 months---wasn't planned--I just got a boost-start from that DW I
did--not that I want people to take that they should drink DW so as to
become anorexic too(just kidding, Terry)

pam








>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I
>> didn't send that i to you did I?
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> >Dear Pam ;
>> >
>> >I tried to send you a post at  it
>> >won't go .
>
>This is good.  P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob
>had. :>
>
>Marshall
>
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Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water

[Pamela Grant]

No, thank you Dave. And I must stick up for Terry on one point:

He did not write those words, I did in relation to some people's response
to what I've send this list in the past. Yes, I have restrained myself
considerably---and unfortunately,for many. I try not to send unrelated CS
material, but this does seem VERY important. I did forget to mention that
my experience with DW was not just based upon "feelings". My hair turned
gray(terribly) and I could not deal with ANY stress at all. It would show
up almost immediately as grid line formations all around my eyes. Since
giving up the exclusive consumption of DW, my hair now is back to the
original color and no more stress lines! Who is the doctor--scientist who
believed that the deficiency of minerals is at the base of all disease? By
the way, one doctor told me that gray hair is the deficiency of copper.

Still Searching For That Next Morsel of TRUTH,
Pam





>Terry writes:> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able
>to "restrain" herself.
>> Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled
>water. Nothing
>> scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story.
>Familiar?--then don't
>> read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related.
>> _
>> Terry,
>
>Pam
>
>Contrary to Terry's , what seemed to me, disparaging remark(s)
>"leading in" to your remarks,
>I appreciate the tone and content of your email; and am also
>encouraging, for my benefit, a chance to express an opinion (or
>question) on water without it being treated as a frivolous aside.
>
>> Okay, try to convince me.
>> At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced"
>by a
>> beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen
>could achieve to
>> the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters
>sites around the
>> world.
>>
>> IN Search of TRUTH,
>
>This is what I believe, after much study, many opinions, (and
>facts) to be the most beneficial water for long term use in
>helping to optimize my well being.
>
>I hope the CS list continues to focus on being a place to find
>out the latest technical information on CS production and use but
>also continues to be accepting enough of some basic information
>that impacts the reason (I assume) that most of us participate
>i.e.. To help ourselves and others sort out the most efficacious
>methods to regain and maintain optimum health .
>
>Thanks, Pam
>
>Dave Perkins
>"enjoy being"
>
>email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com
>web site: www.betterwayhealth.com
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Pamela Grant 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:47 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
>
>
>> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to
>"restrain" herself.
>> Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled
>water. Nothing
>> scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story.
>Familiar?--then don't
>> read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related.
>> _
>> Terry,
>>
>> I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are
>so
>> passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my
>previous
>> e-mail. Well, here we go.
>>
>> >>Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after
>> >>drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not
>> >>good to drink.
>>
>> Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings,
>though you
>> made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole
>story nor
>> mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I
>don't even
>> remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to
>drink DW, I
>> certainly would have written something more substantive than
>that. I am not
>> out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much
>homework
>> first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to
>convince--so here
>> is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to
>argue with
>> you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a
>difference
>> in opinion) does seem to be allowed here.
>> _
>>
>> It is also called a "dead water"--seen the images taken from
>under a
>> microscope. I did "feel" much better when I stopped drinking
>the DW and
>> started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention
>about the
>> "healing crisis". I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered
>all that you

Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water

[Pamela Grant]

Call Janice Campbell at 480-632- 0327 or 1-800-881-1540 X 1000




>Pam, where does one find "clustered water"?
>
>Frank in Texas
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Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Pamela Grant]

>>Well, there are 24,100 messages in the archives, I dare say you have
>>missed a few on topic ;-)

That is probably because I can't get to those archives---so yes, I
certainly have missed the whole darn thing


Thank you Ivan for the message below. And I just want to congratulate you
on your scores. I'm not your mother, but I feel a wave of love go out to
you and I am proud of you.

Pam





>Hi Pamela,
>

>What causes one generator to produce 'brown sludge' and another to
>produce clear CS, is... in a nutshell, the uncontrolled stripping of
>silver ions from the positive silver electrode (anode) in ever
>increasing clouds, and the aggregation of these ions into larger
>particles before they can become solvated (surrounded by water
>molecules), dispersed and stable.
>
>If a generator uses some sort of process to restrict and control the
>stripping of the anode, or increase the dispersion of the particles
>before they grow too large, then a very stable (indefinite?) clear
>colloid can be made at high concentration (15+ppm).
>Current limiting is essential in my book, this restricts the number of
>ions stripped at any moment, and if the current density of the anode is
>low enough can achieve the above alone. However this takes time and can
>be increased somewhat if active dispersion is employed, either by
>stirring or thermal convection.
>
>The physical dimensions of the generating container and electrode
>configuration are also important in the overall properties of the
>colloid.
>
>But it must be said that all CS, even the brown sludge (if intercepted
>at the gold stage) is reported to be effective in treating infection
>etc., and this is likely because of the manner in which it is absorbed
>(IMO), but the darker the brew the less stable it is likely to be and
>should not be stored for any length of time.
>
>I have posted a simple DIY generator running from a 9 - 12V wall adaptor
>which generates clear colloid :
>
>http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m10918.html
>
>Regards
>Ivan.
>
>
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>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 18:13
>Subject: CS>? on generator quality
>
>
>>
>> What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not
>another?
>
>
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Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Pamela Grant]

> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as
>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and
>current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch

To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm
the solution should contain. What do you aim for?

>To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just
>made to your next batch to jump start it

This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is?

>If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.

Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had
success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the
solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to
that "inner voice" that said "this ketchup is too old and you will get
sick"---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so
quickly on ?salmonella)

>>  I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more

Thanks. This is what I wanted to know.

In Search of the Miracle Cure,
Pam






>   ##  I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really
>specific answers but in general.
>  It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water.  To
>hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made
>to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take
>a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing,
>electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size
>of the container/batch.
>  If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you
>shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes.  It's
>working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just
>a few minutes.
>  A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect.
>  If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black
>deposit on the other, it has been working.
>  Some people can't taste CS I suppose.  I usually can if my taste buds
>aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit.
>  If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a
>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor.
>
>  I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and
>the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days.  Your setup may
>react differently. Try it.
>  Ken
>
> At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Thank you so much for your response.
>
> I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo.
> The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus,
> the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for  that
> matter). Just one problem:  when I used salt(in the past), I saw an
> immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time
> the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop
> processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown.  Without
> the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should
> have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the
> generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have  the
> temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I
> knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after
> 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank
> more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was
> gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't
> know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was
> unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my
> symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was
> any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and
> preferred for solution to be clear--correct?).
>
> What is my question now? I have 2 questions:
>
> 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees?
>
> 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent
>batch?
>
> I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution
> and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared
> slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and
> what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to
> turn off the generator?
>
> PG
>
>
>
>
>
> >   Pam
> >  I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a  moment.
> >  The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of
> >what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very
> >worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this
> >so that their children will have the best...and now..

Re: CS>nobody home

[Pamela Grant]

It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I
didn't send that i to you did I?

Pam




>Dear Pam ;
>
>I tried to send you a post at  it
>won't go .
>
>Frustrated
>Bob
>
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Pam

Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water

[Pamela Grant]

Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to "restrain" herself.
Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing
scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't
read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related.
_
Terry,

I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are so
passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my previous
e-mail. Well, here we go.

>>Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after
>>drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not
>>good to drink.

Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, though you
made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole story nor
mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I don't even
remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to drink DW, I
certainly would have written something more substantive than that. I am not
out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much homework
first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to convince--so here
is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to argue with
you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a difference
in opinion) does seem to be allowed here.
_

It is also called a "dead water"--seen the images taken from under a
microscope. I did "feel" much better when I stopped drinking the DW and
started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention about the
"healing crisis". I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered all that you
have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is right, and
frankly at the time I just needed to get well again for I was stuck in a
city because of how I felt(couln't drive home it was so bad)--yes, due to
the DW(whether that was good or not...hmm--was just listening to my
body---perhaps the discussion should be whether or not our bodies know what
is best).

Did I mention I was at a health conference when this escalated? Let me get
a little philosophical here for a moment. I was sitting in this conference
and I was going in and out of consciousness(with eyes wide open---eerie).
The speaker, a doctor, walked up to my desk where I was sitting and
suddenly changed the subject of what he was speaking about. He lifted up
the bottle of water I had in front of me(mind you, it was labeled "spring
water"---I had it filled with DW). He began to speak about distilled water
and how dangerous this water can be. All I remember is him saying it was a
"dead water". Life always seems to have a way of bringing me the
information I need when I need it most--call it luck or whatever else you
want. This wasn't the first time and it was unmistakably my WAKE-UP
call!--just when I needed it most! Has this ever happened to you? I feel I
can safely say it happens to people--just a matter of recognizing it---some
call it the "golden-tongued wisdom".
Have you ever had a deficiency and found yourself craving that nutrient?
The body's wisdom? I was craving minerals---yes.
This does not mean that the DW did not have benefit.

Until coming to this list, I mostly heard the negative on DW(along with its
ability to detox). I did start drinking the water--or that is continued
drinking it as I had the idea that I would detox from any "unwanted" heavy
metals(as I still waited for my filters to arrive). I also considered the
source of the distilled water--as it is stored in plastic containers for
God knows how long before it is bought by the consumer(no. 2 plastic---with
light passing through leaches toxins from the plastic--esp. when at room
temp.--so I have read)--and being from WalMart. Perhaps you'd want to argue
the point about the source of a person's distilled water. Chemicals do
leach---though I don't think this was the problem(entirely, anyway).

Scientific "proof" is great---but, so is my gut feeling which seldom ever
wrongs me. I would NOT go back to this water(same brand). I am not sure why
you seem to take this so seriously. Do you sell distillers or distilled
water? Or are you passionate because of the "good" DW has done?

I had a chiropractor who bought a distiller for around $800.00 It was
suppose to create highly oxegenated distilled water. I should give her a
call and ask how they are all "feeling" these days. Reportedly, even adding
a bit of this specially-made DW water to the well system will clear up and
oxegenate the well water. I somehow think that they are probably not
drinking it exclusively.

>The medical industry scorns "empirical" evidence -
>meaning subjective experiences which have been
>observed and reported by "unprofessionals" - (though
>they use it themselves whenever they feel they will
>profit) as being "unscientific" precisely because of
>the subjectivity of the report

I certainly wouldn't want to give these guys any more ammo than they
already have.

>I have, for the last 18 years,
>>forwarned my clients of the likelihood of e

Re: CS>? on generator quality

[Pamela Grant]

Thank you so much for your response.

I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo.
The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus,
the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that
matter). Just one problem:  when I used salt(in the past), I saw an
immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time
the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop
processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown.  Without
the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should
have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the
generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the
temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I
knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after
15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank
more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was
gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't
know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was
unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my
symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was
any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and
preferred for solution to be clear--correct?).

What is my question now? I have 2 questions:

1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees?

2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent batch?

I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution
and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared
slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and
what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to
turn off the generator?

PG





>   Pam
>  I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment.
>  The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of
>what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very
>worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this
>so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their
>good fortune.
>  Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them
>suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no response.
>  Ken
>
>
>At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
>>
>> >You can make fairly good CS
>> >with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt
>> >you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>> >brown colored CS.
>>
>>What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another?
>
>##  Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator
>just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not
>even operator controls.
>  Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as
>effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow.  Personally, if I happen to
>make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck]
>
>>Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get
>>brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea
>>salt(and distilled water).
>
>##  Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free pure
>salt.  Think about how many heavy metals like mercury and chemicals are in
>sea water.  Salt is simply not necessary anyway and may form odd chemical
>combinations in your CS.
>
>>  I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the
>>list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start
>>anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the best CS
>>maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with
>>first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing and and
>>final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put them all
>>to the "test"? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers
>>to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from
>>certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from generator to
>>generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference.
>
>##  Yes there is a big difference.
>  "Voltage controlled/regulated/limited is BS...pure sales gimmick in a
>battery operated generator. Any battery is automatically voltage
>controlled, limited to it's rated output. That requires nothing extra at all.
>"Current limited is a bit better but usually just prevents the generator
>from melting down if you short the rods together and does nothing at all
>for the CS process itself.  This is done with a small light bulb or
>resistor. It will still 'runaway'
>  "Current controlled" is a ver

Re: CS>H2o2

[Pamela Grant]

That should read--MIRACLE---


>Be sure that it is food grade quality. I recommend the book:  HYDROGEN
>PEROXIDE, MEDICAL MIRACAL  by William Campbell Douglass, M.D.
>
>PG
>
>
>
>>CAN H2o2 be ingested?  Does this oxygenate the blood?
>>
>>rob
>>in Memphis
>>
>>
>>>From: lfzbiz...@aol.com
>>>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>>Subject: CS>H2o2
>>>Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:34:44 EDT
>>>
>>>Dear Listers:
>>>
>>>I am looking for an answer from Judith Thamm, as I have a question about
>>>H2o2--I was reading one of her posts where she mentions it, but I need to
>>>know more, in order to consider getting some, as I have Lyme disease.  One
>>>of
>>>the things I know the Lyme Spirochete hates and that definitely will kill
>>>it,
>>>is  more oxygen in the blood.  Can anyone direct me to Juith Thamm's
>>>e-mailaddress, or, if you can, give her mine, so I can e-mailher directly?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Lynn
>>>lfzbiz...@aol.com
>>>
>>>
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Pam

Re: CS>washing your vegetables in CS

[Pamela Grant]

I just had a funny thought--image actually. Try taking a zapper and using
it on your meat before you cook. Now there is a device to market---"The
Meat Zapper".


And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy,
Pam



>Pamela,
>
>I just dunk veg and fruit in and out.
>
>However, when I wash poultry, meat etc that is older than the use by
>date on the packet, I leave them covered for a moment or two.  I use a
>an accurate measurement - some water in a bowl - a small slosh of CS
>if it is a small amount of water, and a large slosh if it is a large
>amount of water.. :)
>
>I wouldn't say I've done a study of this, but since I've started doing
>it, I've had no little after dinner gastronomical surprises.  Oh and I
>didn't eat out of date meats until I had CS - I heard of someone else
>doing it.  My refrigerator gets constant attention [ :) and I never
>lie either...]. Especially when it is empty! and himself is famished -
>and neglected - again!
>
>
>Judith.
>
>> I just received the below message. Perhaps washing our vegetables in
>CS
>> would be wise. However, does anyone know how long one needs to wash
>their
>> fruits and veg. in order to kill most bacteria, viruses, along with
>fungus?
>> I know this is not an easy question as it seems that potency among
>other
>> factors would need to be considered. Has anyone done a study on
>this?
>>
>
>
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Re: CS>H2o2

[Pamela Grant]

Be sure that it is food grade quality. I recommend the book:  HYDROGEN
PEROXIDE, MEDICAL MIRACAL  by William Campbell Douglass, M.D.

PG



>CAN H2o2 be ingested?  Does this oxygenate the blood?
>
>rob
>in Memphis
>
>
>>From: lfzbiz...@aol.com
>>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Subject: CS>H2o2
>>Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:34:44 EDT
>>
>>Dear Listers:
>>
>>I am looking for an answer from Judith Thamm, as I have a question about
>>H2o2--I was reading one of her posts where she mentions it, but I need to
>>know more, in order to consider getting some, as I have Lyme disease.  One
>>of
>>the things I know the Lyme Spirochete hates and that definitely will kill
>>it,
>>is  more oxygen in the blood.  Can anyone direct me to Juith Thamm's
>>e-mailaddress, or, if you can, give her mine, so I can e-mailher directly?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Lynn
>>lfzbiz...@aol.com
>>
>>
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Re: CS>dosage

[Pamela Grant]

Read the research lab reports of what they have found in the fallout of the
chemtrails and perhaps you'll want to drink just a wee bit more of that
good stuff.

PG



>I tend to only use CS on a as needed basis lately, and when I need it, for
>simple stuff like a cold or flu, I do about an ounce every two or three
>hours for a day or two.  For heavy duty stuff like food poisoning, I take 8
>ounces every three hours.  If something more dangerous occurred, like a
>biological attack, I'm pretty sure I would take 8 ounces an hour.  Luckily I
>have never had to take the 8oz an hour, and hopefully never will, but you
>never know.
>
>Yours in health,
>James Allison
>
>-
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>
>- Original Message -
>From: Katie Jay 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:33 PM
>Subject: CS>dosage
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am going to start CS in a few days. I have Lyme and mycoplasma. How much
>> CS should I take for active infections such as these? What quantity of
>what
>> ppm? Does a person's weight factor in? A few swallows a day, as some
>> recommend, is not enough specificity for me :o)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Katie
>>
>>
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Re: CS>dosage

[Pamela Grant]

>Different pathogens replicate at different rates.  To stay ahead of the
>replication, sufficient CS must be in the blood to kill them faster than they
>are multiplying.

Approximately, how long does it usually take for CS to get into the blood
stream--let's say, if taken on an empty stomach?

PG




>For prevention I recommend an ounce a day per 100 pounds, taken 1/2 in the
>morning, and 1/2 at night.  That is what my family does.  For curing
>something,
>the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure is quite true.
>Different pathogens replicate at different rates.  To stay ahead of the
>replication, sufficient CS must be in the blood to kill them faster than they
>are multiplying.  This can range from a few ounces a day, to a quart or more a
>day per 100 pounds for rapidly replicating viruses and bacteria.
>
>For lyme I would suggest taking as much as you can without getting into severe
>herx.  As they die off and the load decreases you should be able to increase
>the amount until no matter how much you take, you have no herx.  At that point
>I think you are likely free of lyme in the blood.  But lyme is really good at
>hiding, and to remove it from the cartledge, brain and lymph system may
>require
>the additional use of zapper, magnetic pulser and ozonated water.
>
>I am not a doctor, and the above is simply what I do.  Follow at your own
>risk.
>
>Marshall
>
>Katie Jay wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am going to start CS in a few days. I have Lyme and mycoplasma. How much
>> CS should I take for active infections such as these? What quantity of what
>> ppm? Does a person's weight factor in? A few swallows a day, as some
>> recommend, is not enough specificity for me :o)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Katie
>>
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Re: CS>Does C/S have odor / taste????

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks.



>http://silver-lightning.com/tyndall/
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> What is T.E.?
>
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[Pamela Grant]

Thanks Marshall. PG


>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> Below is a segment from an article from
>> http://WWW.sightings.com/general2/biotox.htm
>>
>> It states that "in order for an antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of
>> bacteria it must penetrate the outer surface or membrane and enter the
>> bacterial cell which is very difficult."  Does anyone know if CS can
>> penetrate most bacteria?--specifically, Serratia Marcescens?
>>
>> PG
>
>When CS is acting as an oxidating catalyst it does not have to enter the cell.
>All it has to do is assist oxygen in entering the cell, and if it is an
>aneorobic bacteria, that alone will kill it.
>
>Marshall
>
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Re: CS>Water

[Pamela Grant]

Oh no, not distilled! Great for CS, not for drinking. I became very sick
drinking only distilled water.

PG



>I am supposed to increase my water consumption and wonder what is the best
>water to drink. Dr. Hulda Clark recommends filtered tap water. Others
>recommend reverse osmosis or distilled.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>Katie
>
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Re: CS>washing your vegetables in CS

[Pamela Grant]

>>We take a small bottle of CS to us when we eat out.  We use it on our
>>hands before eating same as you would the waterless hand sanitizers you
>>see on the shelves.

Great idea




>  Supposedly contact with CS of only 6 or so seconds is all that is
>required to kill them all.
>
>We take a small bottle of CS to us when we eat out.  We use it on our
>hands before eating same as you would the waterless hand sanitizers you
>see on the shelves.  But instead of killing 99.9% of some germs, it is
>100% of all germs.  Most people don't know it but a lot of pathogens are
>not included in the some germs statment on these things. They are not
>killed at all, including all virus and fungi I believe.
>
>Marshall
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>I just received the below message. Perhaps washing our vegetables in CS
>would be wise. However, does anyone know how long one needs to wash their
>fruits and veg. in order to kill most bacteria, viruses, along with fungus?
>I know this is not an easy question as it seems that potency among other
>factors would need to be considered. Has anyone done a study on this?
>
>PG
>
>>Good morning!
>>
>>Two messages from me in one day! I apologize. For those of you who seldom
>>get email from me, this does not indicate a new trend - you probably won't
>>get anything else from me for a while; however, I believe this alert that I
>>received from my Shaklee Distributor is important enough to be sent to
>>everyone.
>>
>>I know that most of you wash your produce in something: of course, Shaklee
>>recommends Basic H. Just make sure that whatever you use will kill
>>parasites, viruses & bacteria without poisoning humans. Plain water won't
>>do.
>>
>>I thought I did a good job washing my produce, but since I throw away the
>>skin of some things, such as cantaloupe & citrus fruit, I hadn't thought to
>>wash them. However, as the following safety alert shows, it is important to
>>wash ALL produce, even if you throw away the skin.
>>
>>Cheers!
>>JNP
>>-BEGIN ALERT---
>>Safety Alerts
>>June 2, 2000
>>
>>Salmonella Outbreak Offers Food Safety Lesson - Wash cantaloupe and other
>>fruits before eating - From the South Dakota Department of Health Pierre,
>>SD.,
>>
>>A salmonella outbreak in several western states is a good reminder to
>>consumers of how important it is to wash the skins of unpeeled fruit before
>>eating, says a state health official.
>>
>>Consumption of tainted cantaloupe has been linked to at least 39 cases
>>of salmonella  in California, Oregon, New Mexico, Nevada and Washington.
>>Because cantaloupes are grown on the ground, their outer skin can become
>>contaminated in the field by human or animal waste, or during distribution
>>prior to sale, said Dave Micklos, Director of Health Protection for the
>>Department of
>>Health.
>>
>>"Unless the cantaloupe rind is first scrubbed with soap and hot running
>>water, slicing into it can contaminate the fruit," said Micklos. "Handle
>>cantaloupe the same way you do raw meat - wash your hands before and after
>>you work with it and refrigerate unused cut portions right away.  In fact,
>>all fruits and vegetables that aren't peeled should be washed."
>>
>>Salmonella symptoms, which include fever, abdominal cramps and diarrhea,
>>generally occur one to three days after eating contaminated  food and last
>>two to five days. While most ill individuals recover without medical
>>attention, the infection can be life threatening to young children, the
>>elderly and those with compromised immune systems.
>>END ALERT-
>>
>>please visit me at
>><http://www.egroups.com/group/InnerCleanseWellnessCenter>http://www.egroups.com/
>>group/InnerCleanseWellnessCenter
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Re: CS>Teeth and CS

[Pamela Grant]

> Ted: The trick is to tune into that inner voice in the midst of so much
>>> static. Roger

Unless you are under mind-control





>rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 7/7/00 2:35:01 PM EST, t...@home.com writes:
>>
>> << When ever you read, see, hear any information always trust your inner
>> feelings
>>  and you can never go wrong, when you listen to your own intuitive
>>powers the
>>  answer will always be right.  The choice is yours.
>>  Blessings
>>  Ted >>
>>
>> Ted: The trick is to tune into that inner voice in the midst of so much
>> static. Roger
>
>And if you are like me and just can't do that, dowsing or muscle testing works
>great!
>
>Marshall
>
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Re: CS>New

[Pamela Grant]

>Not to argue with you Ken but our auto shutoff generator makes crystal
>clear CS up to 20-25 PPM as measured with a Hanna PWT using the mechanical
>stirring motor we have incorporated into our newest generator.


Perhaps I should have read this before asking the "crucial" question in my
last e-mail. This generator sounds impressive--but how much?

PG



>Hi List,
>
>Not to argue with you Ken but our auto shutoff generator makes crystal
>clear CS up to 20-25 PPM as measured with a Hanna PWT using the mechanical
>stirring motor we have incorporated into our newest generator.  The CS does
>not get any color and has an almost imperceptible Tyndall effect.  And it's
>a lot easier than having to heat water or rig up some kind of thermal hot
>plate.  Most people aren't up for that.  Many experimenter types are but I
>think most people aren't.
>
>And, cooling water that has been heated is really problematic.  What about
>people that live in cold or warm houses?  How hot is hot to start
>with.  How cool does it have to get before thermal currents cease to help,
>etc.  If we're looking for repeatability and ease of use, a motor with a
>constant stirring speed and a constant current regulator with auto shutoff
>is about as good as you can get with LVDC process.
>
>Sorry to toot our own horn but that's how I see it.
>
>Trem
>www.silvergen.com
>Constant Current Colloid Generators
>
>
>At 09:44 PM 7/9/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>   While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal
>> stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
>>  Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running
>> the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small
>> heater such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
>>  Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal
>> Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about
>> 8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.
>>  Check out
>>www.colloidal-silver.com
>>  and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of
>> generator makers.
>>  The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
>>  They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some
>> reason.  They use  3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else.
>> I think they recommend using sea salt as well.   A no no.
>>  With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and
>> tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not
>> extremely likely, but possible.
>>  You can do something similar for a lot less.  You can make fairly good
>> CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I
>> doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making
>> yellow to brown colored CS.
>>  k...@czen
>>
>>At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
>>>was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
>>>stirring?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >Is it John?
>>> >
>>> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode
>>>as the
>>> >atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them disbursed
>>> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It makes a much
>>> >better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>>> >under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>>> >
>>> >Trem
>>> >www.silvergen.com
>>> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >>Is stirring necessary?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >JO\ohn;
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>>> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or
>>> better and
>>> >> >some clip leads.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ole Bob"
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>>silver.
>>> >> >
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>
>>Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood
>>store prices?  Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with
>>this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator.
>>http://www.silverpuppy.com
>>
>>

Re: CS>New

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks--is it Bob?  PG


>   While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal
>stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
>  Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running
>the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater
>such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
>  Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal
>Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about
>8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.
>  Check out
>www.colloidal-silver.com
>  and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of
>generator makers.
>  The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
>  They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some
>reason.  They use  3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I
>think they recommend using sea salt as well.   A no no.
>  With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and
>tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not
>extremely likely, but possible.
>  You can do something similar for a lot less.  You can make fairly good CS
>with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt
>you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>brown colored CS.
>  k...@czen
>
>At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
>>was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
>>stirring?
>>
>>
>>
>> >Is it John?
>> >
>> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the
>> >atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them disbursed
>> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It makes a much
>> >better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>> >under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>> >
>> >Trem
>> >www.silvergen.com
>> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
>> >
>> >
>> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Is stirring necessary?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >JO\ohn;
>> >> >
>> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or
>> better and
>> >> >some clip leads.
>> >> >
>> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ole Bob"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
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>> >> >
>> >> >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to:
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>> >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>
>Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood
>store prices?  Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with
>this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator.
>http://www.silverpuppy.com

CS>? on generator quality

[Pamela Grant]

>The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia

>You can make fairly good CS
>with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt
>you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>brown colored CS.

What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another?
Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get
brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea
salt(and distilled water). I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the
list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start
anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the best CS
maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with
first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing and and
final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put them all
to the "test"? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers
to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from
certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from generator to
generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference.

Also, is there such a thing as a CS solution that does not lose its potency
over time? Does this vary from generator to generator? Or is that what
certain individuals on this list is trying to determine?

These are just some thoughts and questions off the top of my head--sorry if
I missed something and these questions are all redundant.

Pam



>   While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal
>stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler.
>  Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running
>the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater
>such as a 4 watt night light bulb.
>  Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal
>Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about
>8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter.
>  Check out
>www.colloidal-silver.com
>  and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of
>generator makers.
>  The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia
>  They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some
>reason.  They use  3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I
>think they recommend using sea salt as well.   A no no.
>  With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and
>tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not
>extremely likely, but possible.
>  You can do something similar for a lot less.  You can make fairly good CS
>with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation.  I doubt
>you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to
>brown colored CS.
>  k...@czen
>
>At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
>>was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
>>stirring?
>>
>>
>>
>> >Is it John?
>> >
>> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the
>> >atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them disbursed
>> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It makes a much
>> >better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>> >under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>> >
>> >Trem
>> >www.silvergen.com
>> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
>> >
>> >
>> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Is stirring necessary?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >JO\ohn;
>> >> >
>> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or
>> better and
>> >> >some clip leads.
>> >> >
>> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ole Bob"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
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>> >> >
>> >> >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to:
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>> >> >
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>> >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>
>Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood
>store prices?  Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with
>this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator.
>http://www.silverpuppy.com

Re: CS>New

[Pamela Grant]

Oh duh!



>Hi Pam;
>
>You can get a stirrer for nothing at Mc Donald's one of those long
>spoon.
>Doesn't have to be stirred constantly just keep it in motion .
>    Bob
>
>
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
>> was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
>> stirring?
>>
>> >Is it John?
>> >
>> >Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the
>> >atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them disbursed
>> >in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It makes a much
>> >better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>> >under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>> >
>> >Trem
>> >www.silvergen.com
>> >Constant Current Colloid Generators
>> >
>> >
>> >At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Is stirring necessary?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >JO\ohn;
>> >> >
>> >> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>> >> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or
>>better and
>> >> >some clip leads.
>> >> >
>> >> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ole Bob"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
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>> >> >
>> >> >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to:
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>> >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

Re: CS>New

[Pamela Grant]

Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John)
was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for
stirring?



>Is it John?
>
>Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the
>atoms are being released during production.  If you can get them disbursed
>in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate.  It makes a much
>better product.  It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it
>under 15-20 PPM.  Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect.
>
>Trem
>www.silvergen.com
>Constant Current Colloid Generators
>
>
>At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Is stirring necessary?
>>
>>
>>
>> >JO\ohn;
>> >
>> >Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>> >multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and
>> >some clip leads.
>> >
>> >Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>> >
>> >"Ole Bob"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver.
>> >
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>>
>>
>>

Re: CS>Does C/S have odor / taste????

[Pamela Grant]

What is T.E.?



>Hi  LFZBizLdy,
>
>Properly made CS of up to about 15 PPM (real ppm) is tasteless. If you have a
>bright T.E. it will taste lilke metal. If the T.E. is almost  nonexistant the
>CS will ot taste.
>
>"Ole Bob"
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>New

[Pamela Grant]

Is stirring necessary?



>JO\ohn;
>
>Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital
>multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and
>some clip leads.
>
>Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info.
>
>"Ole Bob"
>
>
>
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Re: CS>washing your vegetables in CS

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks Bob. I was using food-grade H2O2 for the removal of wax and
pesticides. Now I see the necessity of CS for washing also---to kill off
bacteria, fungus and viruses--an absolute MUST these days even if you grow
your own!!!

PG



>Pamela,
>
>Wash with plain water to remove pesticides etc., and soak in watermwith
>about 1
>or 2 oz of CS for about 6 minutes.
>
>"Ole Bob"
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Make your own kefir: easy

[Pamela Grant]

Another great way to fight off yeast in a relatively short time is by
taking a product(a chiropractor once introduced to me) called "FORMULA
SF22", by Thorne Research.The main ingrediant:  10-undecenoic acid(derived
from castor bean oil)


PG




>I make my own kefir.  It's good for the colon and serves the same purpose as
>yogurt in fighting yeast infections.
>
>1 qt. milk
>1 pkg kefir starter from health food store (first time only)
>
>Heat the milk to 180F but do not boil.  Cool it down to about 75F.  Cover and
>let it sit out overnight or until it forms a curd.  Chill in refrigerator to
>stop the action.  Put the cold milk in the blender and add fruit or berries.
>Strawberries or peaches are good.  I like it sweet, so I add a little corn
>syrup or fruit flavored syrup.   Serve ice cold.  Delicious and healthful.
>I save a cup of the curdled milk to use as a starter for the next run and
>avoid buying expensive starter.
>
>mama
>
>
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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver

[Pamela Grant]

> But the opening of ones mouth from ego and
>>without good backing of the facts, one can sure damage ones reputation fast.
>>

They know, however, that the majority of our population will never see
through it. I find most people to be quite lazy and willing to be spoonfed
the lies and drugs--
---but then again, it is nice to trust our fellow humans---however, one
day people will find out that even that assumption was incorrect.

PG








>In a message dated 7/9/00 1:12:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
>dtmil...@midiowa.net writes:
>
><< Yet Dr. Barrett spews forth opinions also without substantiation.  For
> example, he mixes statements for "silver preparations" with colloidal
> silver -- hoping the reader will assume that they are the same (they
> aren't).
>
> He also ignores the scores of research reports in acknowledged
> scientific and medical publications that show the effectiveness of
> colloidal silver.
>
> The anecdotal research (about killing staph bacteria in petri dishes)
> he does cite is probably correct (but his opinion about the results is
> spurious) given that there is little quality control for retail
> colloidal silver products.
>
> If you make CS yourself, you can control your own quality.  Then run
> your own tests (on plants, animals and yourself).
>  >>
>Amen! I watch this going on all the time. They use to say herbs did nothing.
>They where useless. As soon as it became a little wider spread in their usage
>and help from them was recognized, then they say that they can interfere with
>the use of other drugs. That they are potent to us. Please oh wise people,
>make up your minds before you open your mouths. Do you not understand that
>your credibility is suffering? And when one then brings up that may medicines
>are derived from these plants and act much like them, what about the use by
>the medical profession of these together also, then you stand there looking
>stupid again. I am not saying that I don't respect them, I do when I see
>caring and good sense medicine. But the opening of ones mouth from ego and
>without good backing of the facts, one can sure damage ones reputation fast.
>
>Gene Downey
>
>
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Re: CS>Colloidal Silver

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks for sending us that. I was wondering what bull they would be spouting.

PG



> 
>
><../../index.html>Quackwatch Home Page
>
>
>
>Colloidal Silver:
>Risk Without Benefit
>
>
>Stephen Barrett, M.D.
>
>
>Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver
>particles  in a colloidal base. Long-term use of silver preparations can
>lead to argyria, a  condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin,
>eyes, and internal organs,  and the skin turns ashen-gray. Many cases of
>argyria occurred during the  pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common
>ingredient in nosedrops. When the  cause became apparent, doctors stopped
>recommending their use, and reputable  manufacturers stopped producing
>them. The official drug guidebooks (United  States Pharmacopeia and
>National Formulary) have not listed colloidal silver  products since 1975.
>
>
>Dubious Ads
>
>
>In recent years, silver-containing products have been marketed with
>unsubstantiated claims that they are effective against AIDS, cancer,
>infectious  diseases, parasites, chronic fatigue, acne, warts,
>hemorrhoids, enlarged  prostate, and many other diseases and conditions.
>Some marketers claim that  colloidal silver is effective against hundreds
>of diseases.
>
>
>
>During 1998, a Florida-based multilevel company, stated:
>
>
>
>
>
>Our colloidal silver contains 99.99% pure silver particles suspended
>indefinitely in demineralized water that kills bacteria and viruses. It
>can beapplied topically and/or absorbed into the blood stream
>sub-lingually (underthe tongue), thereby avoiding the negative effects
>of traditional antibioticsthat kill good bacteria in the lower
>digestive tract.
>
>
>
>An all natural antibiotic alternative in the purest form available. The
>presence of colloidal silver near a virus, fungi, bacterium or any other
>single celled pathogen disables its oxygen-metabolism enzyme, its chemical
>lung, so to say. The pathogens suffocates and dies, and is cleared out of
>thebody by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems.
>
>
>
>Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes,
>colloidal silver leaves these beneficial enzymes intact. Thus colloidal
>silveris absolutely safe for humans, reptiles, plants and all
>multi-celled livingmatter.
>
>
>
>It is impossible for single-celled germs to mutate into silver-resistant
>forms, as happens with conventional antibiotics. Also, colloidal silver
>cannotinteract or interfere with other medicines being taken.
>Colloidal silver istruly a safe, natural remedy for many of mankind's
>ills. Colloidal silver canbe taken indefinitely because the body does
>not develop a tolerance to it[1]
>
>
>
>
>Seasilver Intermational, a  California-based
>multilevel company, claims that American are suffering >from  "silver
>deficiency." Although silver is not an essential nutrient, product
>information posted on the company's Web site states:
>
>
>
>
>
>The depletion of minerals in our soil has left us deficient of silver, one
>of our most essential trace minerals, causing a drastic increase in immune
>system disorders in our society in the last decade. Research has taught us
>that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened
>immunesystem. In over 20 years of worldwide research on Colloidal
>Silver, numerousinterviews with government agencies, health care
>practitioners and theirpatients, no other nutrient, herb or drug
>(prescription or over-the-counter)is as safe and effective against all
>known forms of unfriendly virus,bacteria, and fungus. Additionally,
>while it is generally known that mostantibiotics kill only perhaps 6
>or 7 different disease organisms, reports haveshown that Colloidal
>Silver has been used successfully in the treatment ofover 650
>diseases! Furthermore, strains of disease organisms fail to developin
>the presence of Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver's greatest attribute is
>its unique ability to function as a superior second immune system in the
>body![2]
>
>
>
>
>The ad below is from the July 1996 issue of Alternative Medicine  Digest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Critical Studies
>
>
>In 1995, an herbal distributor named Leslie Taylor tested nine commonly
>marketed colloidal silver products available at health-food stores and
>concluded:
>
>
>
>   * Two of the products were contaminated with microorganisms.* The
>amount of silver suspended in solution varied from product to product
>and would gradually decrease over time.* Only five products actually
>showed antibacterial activity in a laboratorytest. To perform the
>test, she prepared a culture plate with Staphylococcusaureas bacteria,
>which can cause infections in humans. She then placed a dropfrom each
>product on the plate and used disks of two common antibiotics as
>controls. After eight hours of incubation, she found that bacterial growth
>hadbeen in

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[Pamela Grant]

Below is a segment from an article from
http://WWW.sightings.com/general2/biotox.htm

It states that "in order for an antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of
bacteria it must penetrate the outer surface or membrane and enter the
bacterial cell which is very difficult."  Does anyone know if CS can
penetrate most bacteria?--specifically, Serratia Marcescens?

PG




>># 7. Serratia Marcescens is a significant opportunistic human bacterial
>>pathogen. This microorganism has been shown to be the cause of many
>>life-threatening diseases such as pneumonia, meningitis and endocarditis.
>>It is one of the major causes of hospital-acquired infections. The
>>seriousness of a S. marcescens infection is compounded by the fact that
>>it is very resistant to most commonly used antibotics, thus making
>>treatment difficult. In this study one of the factors contributing to the
>>antibiotic resistance of S. marcescens will be examined. In order for an
>>antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of bacteria it must penetrate the
>>outer surface or membrane and enter the bacterial cell which is very
>>difficult. I hope some of this helps you to better understand what we are
>>fighting against.




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CS>washing your vegetables in CS

[Pamela Grant]

I just received the below message. Perhaps washing our vegetables in CS
would be wise. However, does anyone know how long one needs to wash their
fruits and veg. in order to kill most bacteria, viruses, along with fungus?
I know this is not an easy question as it seems that potency among other
factors would need to be considered. Has anyone done a study on this?

PG


>Good morning!
>
>Two messages from me in one day! I apologize. For those of you who seldom
>get email from me, this does not indicate a new trend - you probably won't
>get anything else from me for a while; however, I believe this alert that I
>received from my Shaklee Distributor is important enough to be sent to
>everyone.
>
>I know that most of you wash your produce in something: of course, Shaklee
>recommends Basic H. Just make sure that whatever you use will kill
>parasites, viruses & bacteria without poisoning humans. Plain water won't
>do.
>
>I thought I did a good job washing my produce, but since I throw away the
>skin of some things, such as cantaloupe & citrus fruit, I hadn't thought to
>wash them. However, as the following safety alert shows, it is important to
>wash ALL produce, even if you throw away the skin.
>
>Cheers!
>JNP
>-BEGIN ALERT---
>Safety Alerts
>June 2, 2000
>
>Salmonella Outbreak Offers Food Safety Lesson - Wash cantaloupe and other
>fruits before eating - From the South Dakota Department of Health Pierre,
>SD.,
>
>A salmonella outbreak in several western states is a good reminder to
>consumers of how important it is to wash the skins of unpeeled fruit before
>eating, says a state health official.
>
>Consumption of tainted cantaloupe has been linked to at least 39 cases
>of salmonella  in California, Oregon, New Mexico, Nevada and Washington.
>Because cantaloupes are grown on the ground, their outer skin can become
>contaminated in the field by human or animal waste, or during distribution
>prior to sale, said Dave Micklos, Director of Health Protection for the
>Department of
>Health.
>
>"Unless the cantaloupe rind is first scrubbed with soap and hot running
>water, slicing into it can contaminate the fruit," said Micklos. "Handle
>cantaloupe the same way you do raw meat - wash your hands before and after
>you work with it and refrigerate unused cut portions right away.  In fact,
>all fruits and vegetables that aren't peeled should be washed."
>
>Salmonella symptoms, which include fever, abdominal cramps and diarrhea,
>generally occur one to three days after eating contaminated  food and last
>two to five days. While most ill individuals recover without medical
>attention, the infection can be life threatening to young children, the
>elderly and those with compromised immune systems.
>END ALERT-
>
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Re: CS>heavy metal

[Pamela Grant]

http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html


* <01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html>Colloidal   Silver
(updated 11/5/99)

Someone just sent this to me. I don't know what they are saying on this
websiteabout colloidal silver, but if they are out to discredit ALL forms
of alternative medicine then it is just as well my Netscape fails me. I
thought some of you might want to check this out.

PG



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Re: CS>Does C/S have odor / taste????

[Pamela Grant]

Speaking of ionic copper, does anyone take this or make it? I hear of some
pretty great things about it. Is any coppr wire safe or does someone on
this list provide the wire?

PG



> > My wife says she can smell C/S on me and  cannot > stand the taste
>or smell. She refuses to use  it > either topically or internally.   Wanna
>really confuse her?  Start taking ionic copper, tin, gold and  platinum
>along with your silver!
>Yours in health,
>James Allison   -
>Allisons  Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary
>Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com
>Home  of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator
>And Wonderful Prices On Quality  Products Like
>MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot  Kernels
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Re: CS>BYU CS Test

[Pamela Grant]

Is a "true" colloid of silver "ionic", thus meaning a "dissolved" form of
silver?

PG



>Hi Fred;
>
>All I know is what I put on the list. I have since asked Ron Leavitt several
>questions and hope to get a reply. He said that the ASAP is a true colloid
>!!! And that most of our stuff is not. I need an input from Stephen Quinto.
>
>"Ole Bob"
>
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Re: CS>Chemtrail update

[Pamela Grant]

open your eyes


>  Try carnival-con.com
>oops, I mean carnicom.com
>
>  Nice pics of perfectly normal contrails being touted as the threat of the
>day and no distinction between obvious misinformation and possible reality
>so far.
>  KDC
>
>At 02:01 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi Pamela,
>>
>>carnicorn.com doesn't work for me.  Any ideas why?  Spelling correct?
>>
>>Trem
>>
>>
>>
>>At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> >Dear Marshall,
>>> >The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on Lifetime
>>> >Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
>>> >gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I didn`t
>>> >see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I
>>> >wonder if the town has had anything happen since then?
>>> >One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft
>>>activity, and
>>> >even black choppers.
>>> > I wonder...
>>> >Marsha
>>> >PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever.
>>> >Won`t even use CS...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>

Re: CS>Chemtrail update

[Pamela Grant]

I certainly hope as mycoplasma fermentens alone is said to be responsible
for a slew of diseases(such as Lupus, Alzheimers,
CFS/FMS/MCSHIV,AIDS,CFIDS,etc.).


>Remember, CS should be effective against fungus!
>
>Rense.com
>
>Special To Rense.com
>Some Comments & Conclusions On Cassani
>& Chemtrails
>By William Thomas 
>6-23-00
>
>Erminia Cassani deserves thanks and congratulations for her long and
>sometimes personally perilous investigations into low-level air drops of
>pathogen-bearing gel and red powder over suburban neighborhoods in
>Ontario, and across the USA. Throughout her research I have kept our
>confidentiality
>agreement on certain aspects of her work until she was ready to publish
>her preliminary findings. It is time that we heard from this key researcher,
>and I am glad she has come forward now.
>
>After 19 months' investigation, I believe that the higher-level 'chemtrail'
>operation involving 700 US Air Force tanker planes and some civilian
>airliners is separate, though possibly related to, the splattering of
>lab-tested bacteria, molds and fungi over homes from aircraft flying at
>tree-top level.
>
>Even more disturbing are recently witnessed deliberate spray attacks on
>some vocal aerial observers' headquarters and homes. Seen in the context
>of earlier low-level attacks against William Wallace and his wife Anne in the
>remote mountains of Washington state (after Wallace went to the media
>insisting they cover chemtrails) - these attempts at intimidation are
>serious acts of military aggression that prove that something sensitive is
>indeed going on.
>
>But what?
>
>I concur with Cassani's conclusions that it makes zero sense for a
>government torandomly sicken its entire citizenry with air-delivered
>organisms. Nor are repeated attacks of self-replicating bio-agents
>necessary. If continued, such overt bio-attacks could destroy the US
>economy, while risking rebellion from an armed and angry populace. More
>to the point: no disease-causing organisms have ever been found in
>chemtrails.
>
>While lab techs were startled and concerned by the biological organisms
>and markers turning up in samples from low-level drops that left at least one
>homeowner stricken with a heart attack, the molds and fungi that turned
>up in the only tested sample of rainwater taken immediately after heavy
>high-level chemtrail spraying were deemed by an independent Ontario lab
>as entirely normal - 'with no one species predominating.'
>
>CONTEMPLATING A CULL
>
>What about an airborne 'cull' of the elderly and similar 'useless eaters'
>burdening cash-strapped governments with their burgeoning needs for
>subsistence and medical assistance? A little-publicized high-level summit
>last January saw president Clinton (invited) and former heads and top
>officials from Japan, Germany, the World Bank, security agencies and
>major financial firms discussing the 'Impacts of Aging on Business'.
>Corporate-controlled governments are extremely and increasingly concerned
>about aging populations, which are seen as growing threats to corporate
>bottom-lines.
>
>Couple this concern with decades of documented US and British funding and
>research into Nazi-copied 'eugenics' intended to selectively cull
>unproductive resource consumers...and the high percentage of fatalities
>among the elderly during two consecutive epidemics (1998-2000) of deaths
>from Influenza-Like-Illness and related pneumonia and cardiac arrest
>appear very sinister indeed.
>
>Yet, why go to the expense and risk of blatantly spraying pathogens from
>jets to get rid of older folks (he asks counting his own gray hairs)? A
>less obvious and much cheaper course is to quietly encourage euthanasia
>in hospitals across North America and Australia, where doctors and nurses
>now admit that up to 40% of elderly patients are being deliberately killed -
>without their consent, and in many cases without any terminal ailment
>involved.
>
>Another effective tactic is to scare people into lining up for experimental
>vaccines often contaminated by pathgenic material. The constant hyping of
>vaccines for the flu, migraines and meningitis symptoms often seen in the
>wake of chemtrails is suspiciously coincidental.
>
>It is clear that, at the very least, heightened death rates among the
>elderly caught under heavy aerial spraying are being viewed as 'acceptable
>collateral damage' to a program deemed essential to national-corporate
>interests. For this reason, any official whistle-blower who dares to come
>forward with verifiable documentation concerning chemtrails will face
>legal repercussions that will make Daniel Elsberg's long incarceration for
>exposing the fake Gulf of Tonkin 'attack' and other Washington lies
>concerning Vietnam feel like a stay in a summer spa.
>
>Unless we rally to support and protect this brave soul.
>
>FUNGUS AMONG US
>
>Let's look closer at the illness rampant among our families and
>communities. While the corporate-controlled media continue to bleat 

Re: CS>Chemtrail update

[Pamela Grant]

try carnicom.com




>Hi Pamela,
>
>carnicorn.com doesn't work for me.  Any ideas why?  Spelling correct?
>
>Trem
>
>
>
>At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com
>
>
>
>> >Dear Marshall,
>> >The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on Lifetime
>> >Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
>> >gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I didn`t
>> >see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I
>> >wonder if the town has had anything happen since then?
>> >One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft activity, and
>> >even black choppers.
>> > I wonder...
>> >Marsha
>> >PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever.
>> >Won`t even use CS...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>>
>>

Re: CS>Chemtrail update

[Pamela Grant]

Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com





>Dear Marshall,
>The day before yesterday I was watching "Unsolved Mysteries" on Lifetime
>Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some
>gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I didn`t
>see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I
>wonder if the town has had anything happen since then?
>One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft activity, and
>even black choppers.
> I wonder...
>Marsha
>PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever.
>Won`t even use CS...
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Chemtrail update

[Pamela Grant]

I had pneumonia last year--presumably from mycoplasma fermantens. I began
colloidal silver(can't remember exactly when--perhaps by May), but I did
not notice it to help the lungs---it did help other problems00which I
believe was due to exposure to chemtrails. I have read that ethylene
dibromide has given lungs problems to those exposed to fall-out(as it was
found to be in chemtrails during that period--don't know if any longer the
case)---perhaps both substances were culprits. Has anyone done any
experiments with CS and fungus---would love to hear of your results. Thank
you.

PG



>Remember, CS should be effective against fungus!
>
>Rense.com
>
>Special To Rense.com
>Some Comments & Conclusions On Cassani
>& Chemtrails
>By William Thomas 
>6-23-00
>
>Erminia Cassani deserves thanks and congratulations for her long and
>sometimes personally perilous investigations into low-level air drops of
>pathogen-bearing gel and red powder over suburban neighborhoods in
>Ontario, and across the USA. Throughout her research I have kept our
>confidentiality
>agreement on certain aspects of her work until she was ready to publish
>her preliminary findings. It is time that we heard from this key researcher,
>and I am glad she has come forward now.
>
>After 19 months' investigation, I believe that the higher-level 'chemtrail'
>operation involving 700 US Air Force tanker planes and some civilian
>airliners is separate, though possibly related to, the splattering of
>lab-tested bacteria, molds and fungi over homes from aircraft flying at
>tree-top level.
>
>Even more disturbing are recently witnessed deliberate spray attacks on
>some vocal aerial observers' headquarters and homes. Seen in the context
>of earlier low-level attacks against William Wallace and his wife Anne in the
>remote mountains of Washington state (after Wallace went to the media
>insisting they cover chemtrails) - these attempts at intimidation are
>serious acts of military aggression that prove that something sensitive is
>indeed going on.
>
>But what?
>
>I concur with Cassani's conclusions that it makes zero sense for a
>government torandomly sicken its entire citizenry with air-delivered
>organisms. Nor are repeated attacks of self-replicating bio-agents
>necessary. If continued, such overt bio-attacks could destroy the US
>economy, while risking rebellion from an armed and angry populace. More
>to the point: no disease-causing organisms have ever been found in
>chemtrails.
>
>While lab techs were startled and concerned by the biological organisms
>and markers turning up in samples from low-level drops that left at least one
>homeowner stricken with a heart attack, the molds and fungi that turned
>up in the only tested sample of rainwater taken immediately after heavy
>high-level chemtrail spraying were deemed by an independent Ontario lab
>as entirely normal - 'with no one species predominating.'
>
>CONTEMPLATING A CULL
>
>What about an airborne 'cull' of the elderly and similar 'useless eaters'
>burdening cash-strapped governments with their burgeoning needs for
>subsistence and medical assistance? A little-publicized high-level summit
>last January saw president Clinton (invited) and former heads and top
>officials from Japan, Germany, the World Bank, security agencies and
>major financial firms discussing the 'Impacts of Aging on Business'.
>Corporate-controlled governments are extremely and increasingly concerned
>about aging populations, which are seen as growing threats to corporate
>bottom-lines.
>
>Couple this concern with decades of documented US and British funding and
>research into Nazi-copied 'eugenics' intended to selectively cull
>unproductive resource consumers...and the high percentage of fatalities
>among the elderly during two consecutive epidemics (1998-2000) of deaths
>from Influenza-Like-Illness and related pneumonia and cardiac arrest
>appear very sinister indeed.
>
>Yet, why go to the expense and risk of blatantly spraying pathogens from
>jets to get rid of older folks (he asks counting his own gray hairs)? A
>less obvious and much cheaper course is to quietly encourage euthanasia
>in hospitals across North America and Australia, where doctors and nurses
>now admit that up to 40% of elderly patients are being deliberately killed -
>without their consent, and in many cases without any terminal ailment
>involved.
>
>Another effective tactic is to scare people into lining up for experimental
>vaccines often contaminated by pathgenic material. The constant hyping of
>vaccines for the flu, migraines and meningitis symptoms often seen in the
>wake of chemtrails is suspiciously coincidental.
>
>It is clear that, at the very least, heightened death rates among the
>elderly caught under heavy aerial spraying are being viewed as 'acceptable
>collateral damage' to a program deemed essential to national-corporate
>interests. For this reason, any official whistle-blower who dares to come
>forward with verifiable documentation concerning chem

Re: CS machines

[Pamela Grant]

>The best reason for not using salt in making CS is that the particles
>produced that way are known to be smaller and are presumed to be
>safer and more bioavailable.


Thank you Mike. That is a good enough reason alone. Yes?

PG



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Re: CS machines

[Pamela Grant]

How does one be SURE NOT to make silver chlorite---or is it just as simple
as NOT using salt?

PG



>Addition of salt can make silver chloride, a toxic compound that can
>photoexpose in
>your skin and turn you blue permanently.  Always use pure distilled water.
>If you
>need a quicker start then warm it up, or add a little CS from the previous
>batch.
>
>Marshall
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> I noticed that the directions for the use of saline was not part of your
>> directions. Is that a thing of the past, no longer recommended and if so,
>> why?
>>
>> >Simplest CS machine can be made for under $5.  Go to radio shack and
>> >purchase a
>> >9 volt battery clip, a nine volt battery, and a package of alligator clips.
>> >Acquire some .999 silver wire and a gallon of distilled water.
>> >
>> >Put the water in an 8 oz. glass.  Take the silver wire and bend it so
>>that it
>> >hangs over the sides with an inch or two in the water on opposite sides
>>of the
>> >glass.  Connect one end of 2 alligator clips to the wire, and the other
>>end to
>> >the battery clip.  Connect the battery and time the process.
>> >
>> >Marshall
>> >
>> >morganstu...@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mary, you should make your own.  I was given instructions by one of
>>the list
>> >> members and made a cs machine in about 20 minutes for about $15.00.
>>It was
>> >> unbelievably simple.  I have been making and using cs ever since.
>> >>
>> >> Diane M.
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Re: CS machines

[Pamela Grant]

Thank you Marshall. I wish I had known that when I first started drinking
CS---though blue is my favorite color. Can you elaborate on the toxic
effects of silver chlorite?

PG




>Addition of salt can make silver chloride, a toxic compound that can
>photoexpose in
>your skin and turn you blue permanently.  Always use pure distilled water.
>If you
>need a quicker start then warm it up, or add a little CS from the previous
>batch.
>
>Marshall
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> I noticed that the directions for the use of saline was not part of your
>> directions. Is that a thing of the past, no longer recommended and if so,
>> why?
>>
>> >Simplest CS machine can be made for under $5.  Go to radio shack and
>> >purchase a
>> >9 volt battery clip, a nine volt battery, and a package of alligator clips.
>> >Acquire some .999 silver wire and a gallon of distilled water.
>> >
>> >Put the water in an 8 oz. glass.  Take the silver wire and bend it so
>>that it
>> >hangs over the sides with an inch or two in the water on opposite sides
>>of the
>> >glass.  Connect one end of 2 alligator clips to the wire, and the other
>>end to
>> >the battery clip.  Connect the battery and time the process.
>> >
>> >Marshall
>> >
>> >morganstu...@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mary, you should make your own.  I was given instructions by one of
>>the list
>> >> members and made a cs machine in about 20 minutes for about $15.00.
>>It was
>> >> unbelievably simple.  I have been making and using cs ever since.
>> >>
>> >> Diane M.
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CS and chemical viruses & bacteria

[Pamela Grant]

Is there anyone on this list who is familiar with the chemical form of a
virus(ex:chemical anthrax) and how the use of CS fairs with such?

PG



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Re: CS machines

[Pamela Grant]

I noticed that the directions for the use of saline was not part of your
directions. Is that a thing of the past, no longer recommended and if so,
why?



>Simplest CS machine can be made for under $5.  Go to radio shack and
>purchase a
>9 volt battery clip, a nine volt battery, and a package of alligator clips.
>Acquire some .999 silver wire and a gallon of distilled water.
>
>Put the water in an 8 oz. glass.  Take the silver wire and bend it so that it
>hangs over the sides with an inch or two in the water on opposite sides of the
>glass.  Connect one end of 2 alligator clips to the wire, and the other end to
>the battery clip.  Connect the battery and time the process.
>
>Marshall
>
>morganstu...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Mary, you should make your own.  I was given instructions by one of the list
>> members and made a cs machine in about 20 minutes for about $15.00.  It was
>> unbelievably simple.  I have been making and using cs ever since.
>>
>> Diane M.
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Re: CS>Reply about Distilled water OT

[Pamela Grant]

Instead of going by these articles on why NOT to drink distilled water, why
not try it out for yourselfactually, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I
drank distilled water for 2 1/2 months. I thought I'd like to die.
Experience is the best teacher, but hopefully, instead of learning the hard
way like I did, why not listen to some regular people and their experiences
with distilled water if you can't trust the "experts"? It took a lot of
colloidal minerals and electrolyte solution to try and get back to a
previous state of health. My gray hair is finally turning back now to its
original color, I can walk without feeling like my legs are about to give
out from under me, my vision is now improving---but hey, I don't expect
some of you to take my word for it either.

PG




>WHY I NOW SAY NO TO DISTILLED WATER ONLY
>
>By Chet Day
>
>Paul Bragg. Norman Walker. Herbert Shelton.
>
>I bet you recognize the names of the above three "big gun
>writers" of the modern natural health and raw food movement
>...(article below the next 4 paragraphs - a highly recommended
>read!!!)
>
>
>From Dave Perkins:
>
>To all on the CS list.  I know most of you are probably favorably
>predisposed to distilled water...and as far as I know it is still
>the only water to consider in making CS.  I certainly use it when
>I make my CS.
>
>However, it appears that much of the information on the benefits
>(or lack of problems with long term use) of distilled water was
>written many years ago and has been passed on as fact with little
>modification ever since.  In light of more recent findings many
>of those claims appear to be in error.
>
>Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of your present
>and future health, I urge you to read the following information
>by Chet Day and references by other MD's etc. Many of whom
>(especially Chet ) used to be big proponents of distilled water.
>
>I hope this gives you enough information and facts to make a well
>reasoned personal decision:
>
>
>WHY I NOW SAY NO TO DISTILLED WATER ONLY
>
>By Chet Day
>
>
>Paul Bragg. Norman Walker. Herbert Shelton.
>
>I bet you recognize the names of the above three "big gun
>writers" of the modern natural health and raw food movement.
>Each of these men advocated a predominantly uncooked vegetarian
>diet (though Walker allowed cheese and Bragg allowed occasional
>meat or fish), and each also advocated distilled water as the
>only kind of water to drink.
>
>It's amazing to me how blindly most health seekers follow the
>advice of the above three gurus as well as the advice of modern
>health writers who use Bragg, Walker, and Shelton as their main
>sources of truth.
>
>Indeed, if you spend more than about ten minutes reading many
>modern natural health writers, you'll quickly learn that all
>serious health seekers should shun any kind of water other than
>distilled water. Why? Because Paul Bragg, Norman Walker, and
>Herbert Shelton said so.
>
>Well, I bought into this commonly-accepted "truth" back in 1993
>when I started my health journey, and I continued to buy into it
>for more than five years before I started to question its
>validity. I started to question the value of drinking distilled
>water for the long-term when I finally opened my eyes enough to
>realize I was relying on information that was, in most cases,
>more than 50 years old.
>
>Let me say here that I still consider distilled water the water
>of choice when detoxing or working to heal a serious health
>challenge. To quote Dr. Zoltan Rona, who feels the same way:
>
>"Distillation is the process in which water is boiled,
>evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of
>dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special
>property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from
>the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of
>drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or
>detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a
>time). Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of
>the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and
>trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause
>heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods
>in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers
>their nutrient value."
>
>See http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm for the full text of
>Dr. Rona's article.
>
>I opened my eyes because about two years ago I started hearing
>from long-term distilled water drinkers who had been consuming
>only distilled water and who had developed troubles with their
>hair either thinning or falling out in clumps. I've subsequently
>learned that hair loss is a condition often associated with
>various mineral deficiencies.
>
>Since I'd been advised by a serious natural health student whose
>opinions I value very much that distilled water might well
>contribute to such problems, I started telling people with
>hair problems that they might try going back to filtered 

CS>Beck Device

[Pamela Grant]

Can you explain what the Beck Device is and what it does?

PG



>Dear fearless leader;
>
>CS has worked on Poison ivy, ticks and chiggers and spider
>bites and others for years for our whole family. I use brown plastic
>spray bottles from Wall Mart for everything . About a year ago I began
>spraying it on my once bald head and the hair is growing back. If you
>spray it on warts they will also go away . I had a man with a terrible
>foot infection that the hospital was just making worse after several
>months. I made a quart of Colloidal Silver and it immediately began to
>heal . It took only two weeks for it to be gone and mostly healed and
>out of danger.
>My wife begins the spring season by eating a couple of small
>ivy leaves several times and has no more trouble with it . She tears
>them up and puts them in a piece of bread.
>I have some of these machines in Africa and from the
>preliminary reports CS will cure Malaria . Blackberry season is about
>upon us here every year we make juice and put a lot away for later use .
>We use large plastic soda pop bottles and put in a table spoon of CS It
>will never ferment and lasts fine . Be sure to use enough and mix it
>good.
>I have a new microscope same as in the university science
>lab ,from China. Does any one know where a video attachment may be had
>and an idea of the price. I would like to show every one the results of
>blood treatment using Cs and the Zappers and the Beck machine. With this
>you can watch as very contaminated blood with almost no white cells and
>all red cells stacked up to where none are effective. It takes about 4
>to 5 weeks and the blood is like a new born babies. We had a black man
>from Africa that had blood that looked like sewer water. If there was a
>disease he had it , 5 weeks they were all gone.
>I want to put all. of the various bacteria and parasites where
>everyone can see for themselves as the change takes place. Believe me it
>does, big time. This is the greatest medical advance ever in my mind .
>Drugs are poison and petroleum based chemicals have no place in our
>bodies.
>
>With Gods Love to all
>Bob
>
>
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CS>VIRUS DEVELOPED that can 'CASTRATE' ENTIRE SPECIES

[Pamela Grant]

VIRUS DEVELOPED that can 'CASTRATE' ENTIRE SPECIES

NOTE: this can be targeted to, and I quote:

"The antigen-recognition process is so precise
 that it has the potential to discriminate between
 closely related species."

 For example, RACE based targeting for chemical
 'castration' ?  The result is the same.


http://www.dwe.csiro.au/crcs/vbc/detail.htm

Ok folks, this one is a complete friggin nightmare
waiting to happen.  We are talking the possible
elimination of ALL MAMMALS, which of course humans
are.

Do your best to contact these utter fools before they
get much further.  Contact one such dimwit at:

 neil.wh...@dwe.csiro.au

Say, "Are you and your colleagues FRIGGIN NUTS !?"

And be prepared as he will likely argue that this
stuff is all over your head and that "measures" have
been taken that this "designer" virus will never
"mutate" into something a little different, or some
other such NON-SENSE, as if we can control what ANY
life form becomes in the future, anymore than we can
determine what our OWN great-grandchildren will be
doing.  Give me a break, the arrogance and
irresponsibility of these scientists and doctors, so
called 'experts', give them NO respect, yank them from
their self-created pedestals, They are idiots !, lack
common sense, and should NOT be given such free reign
with our fate.

Click on an object to see an explanation of how
viral-vectored immunocontraception will work in the
rabbit.
For more information, including the work on other
species, see the Research Strategy.

http://www.dwe.csiro.au/crcs/vbc/vvic.htm


The Vertebrate Biocontrol CRC is working to control
Australia's major pest problems using the modern tools
of biotechnology.  The aim is to develop contraceptive
vaccines specifically designed for vertebrate pests,
which will 'trick' the immune system to attack the
pests' eggs and sperm as though they were foreign
cells, resulting in infertility.  Delivery of the
vaccine will be through baits, or preferably through
the agency of a virus which spreads naturally through
the target pest population.  The vaccines are created
by genetically modifying the carrier virus to include
sperm, egg (gametes) or other key reproductive
proteins (antigens).  The product is a modified virus,
which during infection of the pest, causes an immune
response which attacks the animal's own gametes
preventing fertilisation.  The use of a
virally-vectored vaccine for fertility control should
allow humane management of animal populations with
minimal cost and human intervention.

DECEIVING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM

The immune system protects the body against microbial
infection and potentially toxic foreign substances.
Specialised white blood cells called lymphocytes
constantly patrol the body, identifying and destroying
viruses, bacteria or foreign compounds that could pose
a threat to the body. Among the front-line defenders
are antibody-secreting B-lymphocytes. During embryonic
development, B-lymphocytes learn to ignore "self"
antigens - proteins and other components of the body's
own tissues so by default, immune systems will attack
any foreign ("non-self") antigens the animal may
encounter in its lifetime.

Vertebrate Biocontrol CRC scientists will attempt to
deliver antigens derived from the egg's zona pellucida
and sperm into feral mammals, in such a way that the
immune system will recognise them as foreign and
attack them with antibodies - a cellular equivalent of
"friendly fire". This would disrupt the crucial
biochemical dialogue between sperm and egg, rendering
the animal sterile.

The CRC's molecular biologists have already identified
a number of candidate sperm and egg antigens in the
rabbit and fox, and cloned the genes that encode them
(see Rabbit and Fox breakouts).

In theory, immunocontraception should be highly
selective. It should be possible to develop a cat or
rabbit immunocontraceptive vaccine that would not
affect any other species, be it a marsupial, a native
rodent, a livestock species or a human being. The
antigen-recognition process is so precise that it has
the potential to discriminate between closely related
species. Although foxes, wolves and dogs are cousins
in the canid family, a vaccine based on fox-specific
antigens should have no effect on Australia's native
dog, the dingo, or on domestic dogs. But realising
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Re: CS>baby shots and cs

[Pamela Grant]

What a great account to read!



>It was about 8 or 9 years ago, my wife and I were doing childcare.  One
>Saturday night, one of the parents of the children we watch called us to let
>us know that her 10 month old baby girl wasn't going to be in the following
>Monday.  She explained that she had just gotten back from the hospital and
>that her daughter had pneumonia.  The doctors had wanted to keep her baby
>there, but the mom really hated hospitals so she took her daughter home and
>promised to go back the next day to have her daughter checked out again.
>They hospital had said that if her daughter wasn't any better by Sunday
>afternoon, then they would have to keep her there.  Anyways, we talked her
>mom into coming over so we could dose her daughter up with CS.  Being new to
>CS we made up an 8oz batch of about 5ppm using saline as a catalyst (GASP),
>and had the baby drink the whole 8oz. in her plastic (SHUDDER) bottle.  We
>then made up another 8oz. bottle for the mom to take home and feed her
>daughter with the next morning (Sunday), which she did.  Sunday afternoon
>came and she took her daughter back into the hospital as she had promised.
>The mother gave me a call after the doc's had checked out her daughter and
>told me that they had been dumbfounded because of the remarkable recovery
>that her daughter had made.  They couldn't believe it!  That's just one
>instance out of a great many, but one I can tell because of my first hand
>knowledge.
>
>Knowing now what I didn't know then, the only change I would have made is
>that I wouldn't have used saline, I would have made it pure.
>
>Keep the faith.
>
>Yours in health,
>James Allison
>
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Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme

[Pamela Grant]

>I
>have had two MRI's. So should not I be cured of LYME?

no, but you may need to get cured of MRI's



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CS>SAY GOODBYE TO MEDICAL PRIVACY(and what next?)

[Pamela Grant]

just had to forward this---okay, now I'm like a kid who catches on to the
game---how might I link this to CS to justify my sending it---well, as we
lose our rights and freedoms and gain these wonderful "medical ID"
numbers(how will they be worn?) do you think there will be mandatory
"testing" also?---oh goodness, so and so goes to jail as they found the
forbidden CS in his system.


SAY GOODBYE TO MEDICAL PRIVACY

Aside from psychological reasons, why can't the Clintons be
straight-forward about things? It's easy to understand why Bill
wouldn't want to be candid about his "affairs," but what about
his policy proposals?

If the Clintons' ideas were superior, they would have no motive to
be deceitful about them, right?  Think again. The truth is that they
know that despite liberalism's virtual monopoly in the mainstream
press, the universities, and most of our other cultural institutions,
it is still not the majority philosophy among most voters. So they
have to disguise many of their programs or, in some cases, secrete
them from the public altogether.

Remember Hillary's notorious plan to socialize American medicine?
While pretending that it was going to be produced by the people
"from the bottom up," she kept her task force meetings secret to the
point of earning a rebuke by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth.
But why? What did she have to hide? Well, plenty, as it turns out.
Hillary's 1,300-page plan would have nationalized 14 percent of the
nation's economy, a fact she could ill-afford to have disclosed.

And now, she and Bill both claim to have learned their lesson from
that fiasco. But are they honest about that lesson? What they want
you to believe is that they are willing to compromise and abandon
their goal of nationalized health care. Actually, the only lesson they
learned is that to accomplish their goal of socialized medicine they
must do it incrementally, one inconspicuous step at a time.

Although Hillary Care suffered a humiliating defeat in 1994, some
of its insidious components survived and became law in 1996 with
the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996
(HIPAA), a.k.a., Kennedy-Kassebaum. Hillary's plan contained
a provision regarding a "unique health identifier" (a patient ID
number) that could be used to track each person's medical history
electronically from cradle to grave.

This WorldNetDaily gem was resurrected and codified into law
in HIPAA in 1996. So far, our Brave New World medical ID
numbers have not been created, but soon will be if something
isn't done.

contributor David Limbaugh is an attorney practicing in Cape
Girardeau, Missouri, a political analyst and commentator.

Though the provision for the creation of the medical ID numbers
is already in the law, Texas Congressman Ron Paul has been
successful so far in leading an effort to block appropriations for
implementation of this provision. This week, this appropriations
bill (HR 4577) will be voted on again, and if it passes, the unique
health identifier -- the medical ID number -- will be created for all
of us.

It gets worse. This year, the Department of Health and Human
Services proposed "medical privacy regulations" that will apply
to all individuals, whether their health care is paid for privately or
by the government. Those who love freedom and cherish privacy
should be alarmed about these developments. Here's why:

While Clinton touts the medical ID number and the proposed
medical privacy regulations as enhancing our medical privacy, they
do just the opposite. The assignment of these numbers is the first
step toward universal health care, and the regulations severely
undermine our privacy. The government will be entitled to access
our private medical records without our consent and the government --
not you -- will decide who else will have access to our records.

Under the regulation's health plans, providers, hospitals, researchers,
medical students, government agents, law enforcement officials, and
whomever else the government decides will have access. Are you
nervous yet? If not, be aware that the regulations will also limit
patients' access to their own records, especially in malpractice cases.
And they will limit our right to sue others for breaching our medical
confidentiality.

If Ron Paul fails to convince Congress again to block funding for
creating the ID numbers, all is not lost. He also has prepared a bill
to repeal the HIPAA provision that requires the adoption of our ID
numbers. This is a good start but another provision also empowers
the government to adopt those privacy regulations that authorize the
collection and sharing of our medical records without our consent.
Congress should repeal that provision as well.

Once again, the Clintons, under the guise of expanding our rights,
are taking them away. If we don't derail this train now, our chances
of thwarting Hillary's grandiose scheme to socialize health care
may be out the window.

[WND Exclusive Commentary]
FRIDAY JUNE 9, 2000

Re: CS>Just Say NO To Canola-or Got Lear?

[Pamela Grant]

Too late, it's already being done


>Maybe I'll become an evil genius and destroy the world and THEN I'll feel
>better!







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CS>Ultra Photon Sound Beam VIII

[Pamela Grant]

Is anyone familiar witht his device? It is suppose to be the latest
development in the field of Vibrational Medicine. It advances the concepts
of Tesla, Rife, Abrams, Lakhovsky and, most recently, Ed Skilling(who's
that?) by combining an advanced lymph technology with full spectrum
Frequency Technology...and so on. My point is that if you can find someone
who has one of these, a treatment would do well for your lymph(so I am
told). I have only tried one treatment thus far.

In Search of TRUTH Always,
Pam



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CS>Just Say NO To Canola-or Got Lear?

[Pamela Grant]

I'm not positive of this one, but could become my next pet peeve. Any
opinions out there on this one?

>CANOLA OIL - Deadly for the Human Body!
>
>
>-=
>---
>
>  Ride the Wave of Health!=20
>
>
>Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For Human =
>Consumption.
> =20
>S
>U
>M
>M
>A
>R
>Y Before you read the following article, here is a summary =
>of a few facts regarding Canola Oil:
>a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.=20
>b.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape =
>registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others)=20
>c.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It =
>has never been meant for human consumption.=20
>d.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered =
>a toxic and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very =
>quickly.=20
>e.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street =
>Journal: 6/7/95)=20
>f.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects =
>won't eat it.=20
>g.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of =
>vision, disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, =
>anemia, constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, =
>low birth weights in infants and irritability.=20
>h.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking =
>almost 10 years before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to =
>inhibit proper metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. =
>Canola is a Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to =
>cancer. These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially =
>hydrogenated oils. Avoid all of them!=20
>i.. According to John Thomas' book, Young Again, 12 years =
>ago in England and Europe, rape seed was fed to cows, pigs and sheep who =
>later went blind and began attacking people. There were no further =
>attacks after the rape seed was eliminated from the diet.=20
>Source: David Dancu, N.D.=20
>   =20
>
>By Jim Lynn, Essential Oils
>It's amazing to me...The more research I do, the more I see a =
>relationship between the food we eat and fatal diseases. Canola oil is =
>no exception. Readers of EOO are familiar with the meat industry =
>practice of feeding rendered meat "by-products" to cattle and poultry =
>(EOO #015), and the suspected relationship of Mad Cow Disease to CJD and =
>Alzheimer's Disease (EOO #016). Now comes information that Canola Oil is =
>the suspected causative agent for Scrapie, a viral disease transmitted =
>to cattle who were fed rendered sheep infected with Scrapie. Both =
>Scrapie and Mad Cow Disease destroy the brain's ability to function. =
>They literally eat the brain away, causing blindness, loss of mind and =
>erratic behavior.=20
>
>
>Canola oil's real name is "LEAR" oil (Low Erucic Acid Rape). it is =
>more commonly known as "rape oil," a semi-drying oil that is used as a =
>lubricant, fuel, soap and synthetic rubber base, and as an illuminant to =
>give color pages in magazines their slick look. In short it is an =
>industrial oil that does not belong in the human body. It is typically =
>referred to in light industry as a penetrating oil.=20
>
>
> Back in the 1980's, rape oil was widely used in animal feeds in =
>England and throughout Europe. It was banned in 1991. Since then, =
>Scrapie in sheep has totally disappeared.=20
>
>
> While that's good for Europeans, it is bad for Americans because =
>the problem is now ours. Rape seed oil (Canola oil) is widely used in =
>thousands of processed foods...with the blessings of our own government. =
>
>
>
> Canola oil was first developed in Canada. It's proponents claim =
>that due to genetic engineering and irradiation, it is no longer rape =
>oil, but "canola" (Canadian oil). They also claim it is completely safe, =
>pointing to it's unsaturated structure and digestibility. Although, I =
>could not verify it, it is claimed the Canadian government paid the FDA =
>the sum of $50 million dollars to have canola oil placed on the GRAS =
>list (Generally Recognized As Safe). However it was done, a new industry =
>was created.=20
>
>
> The truth is however, that rape is the most toxic of all food oil =
>plants. Not even insects will eat it. No wonder farmers like growing it. =
>It turns out that rape is a member of the mustard family of plants, and =
>is the source for the chemical agent, mustard gas, which causes =
>blistering on skin and lungs when inhaled. Mustard Gas was banned after =
>WWI for this very reason.=20
>
>
>Studies of canola oil done on rats indicate many problems. Rats =
>developed fatty degeneration of heart, kidney, adrenals and thyroid =
>gland. When the canola oil was withdrawn f

CS>Speaking of Soft Drinks

[Pamela Grant]

Guess what's the pH for soft drink, e.g. Coke? pH 3.4!

This acidity is strong enough to Dissolve Teeth and Bones! Our human body
stops building bones at the age of about 30. After that, it'll be dissolving
about 8 - 18% of the bones each year from the urine, depending on the
acidity of food intake (acidity does not depend on the taste of the food,
but the ratio of potassium / calcium / magnesium etc. to (phosphorus).

All the dissolved calcium combination will be accumulated and composted in
the arteries, veins, skin. organs e.g. Affecting the kidney functioning
(Kidney stone).

Soft drinks do not have any nutrition value (in terms of vitamins &
minerals). It has high sugar content, carbonic acid, chemical e.g. Coloring
etc. Some like to take cold soft drinks after each meal, guess what's the
impact? Our body needs an optimum temperature of 37 deg. Celsius for
Digesting enzymes functioning. The temperature of cold soft drinks is very
much below 37 deg or even close to 0 deg Celsius. This will dilute the
enzymes & stress the digestive sustem, the foodtaken will not be digested.
In fact it will be fermented!  (Now you understand why chinese drink hot tea
after their meals!)

The fermented food produces gases, decays and becomes toxic, gets absorbed
by the intestine, circulates in the blood stream and is carried to the whole
body. Hence toxin is accumulated in others parts of the body, developing
into various diseases.

Think before you drink Coke / Pepsi (or any soft drinks) again. Have you
ever thought what you drink on aerated drinks? You gulpdown Carbon-Di-Oxide,
nobody in the world would advise you to drink CO2.

Two months back, there was a competition in the Delhi University "Who could
drink more cokes?" The winner drank 8 bottles and died on the spot - too
much CO2 in the blood. Thereafter, the principal from the canteen banned all
soft drinks!

Someone put a broken tooth in a bottle of Pepsi and in 10 days - it
DISSOLVED! Can you believe it? Teeth and bones are the only human organ that
stays intact for years after death. Imagine what the drink must be doing to
your soft intestines and stomach lining.

Request to All: Forward this message to your friends to increase the
awareness of the GREAT USA made softdrinks. In India, people hesitate to pay
more than Rs.5/- for a tender coconut but prefers to pay Rs.8/ and drinks
these dreaded items.



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Re: CS>Avoid Gall Bladder Surgery

[Pamela Grant]

You are most welcome. I have 2 friends who could have also avoided this
surgery had they know.

Pam


>This is excellent information, Pam. Thanks so much. I have a friend who
>has already lost her GB to surgery and she suffers from some of the
>things mentioned here. It's too bad it's too late for her to know this.
>
>Diane
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>>
>> Forwarded from another list.(this recipe seems important enough, wouldn't
>> you say?)
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> http://www.cat007.com/stones.htm
>>
>> Improve your health dramatically..easy and free.
>>
>> Lowers cholesterol and allows your body to function efficiently.
>> Avoid needless and dangerous gall bladder surgery.
>>
>>  At least 80% of people older then 30 have intrahepatic stones, that we
>> call "gallstones" as there is no big difference between stones inside the
>> liver
>> and stones inside the gall bladder.
>>  Gallstones are always first created inside the liver!
>>  Gallstones inside the gallbladder(GB) have always first started inside
>> the
>> liver (intrahepatic bile ducts = tubes inside your liver)!!!
>>  Then , they "roll" down to the GB, where they may continue growing,
>>until
>> they take all the space inside your GB.   People may have gallstones as big
>> as 5 cm across. (2 inch)
>>  If you have stones inside your GB, you already have hundreds of stones
>> inside your liver !   (Not all of them are big !) I call "stone" everything
>> bigger
>> then 2 mm across, everything in solid state, everything that can not be
>>called
>> bile, but is still made of it.
>>  Questions:
>>  How many cleanses do you need ?
>>  Very few adults have no stones!   Healthy skin is a sign of healthy
>>liver
>> and healthy intestines.
>>  After age 50-60 almost all the people have stones !   Some adults with
>> very good and healthy liver menage to clean out all liver in only 3-5
>> cleanses.
>>   Skin of those people is extremely beautiful, soft and healthy, before, and
>> especially after cleanse.   After cleanse, their skin is as beautiful as
>> skin of
>>  the people from the first group.  Other people get stones out every
>>time
>> they do cleanse, regardless of cleanse frequency.   The liver of these
>>people
>> is able to generate hundreds of new stones (something like process of
>>  crystallization inside intrahepatic bile ducts, bile starts
>> crystallizing and
>> stones starts growing.) in just a few days or few weeks.   Skin of those
>> people is not as healthy as skin of those from the previous group.
>>
>>  You will know it is working. You will see the stones in your stools.
>>
>>  New stones are usually of tann-green color, almost transparent, pure
>> cholesterol, bile salts and toxins (heavy metals, mercury from food and
>> amalgam, cadmium, led, and others ).   Old stones can have more different
>> colors, more pigment, more different salts and if cut across one will see
>> layers, which can not be easily seen in stones created in very short
>>time.  If
>> cleanses are done 2/3 times each week then:   First 1-3 cleanses are
>> cleaning out almost only old stones.   Next 3-10 cleanses can clean out
>> combination of old and newly created stones.   Next 10 - X .. cleanses will
>> clean out only newly created stones.  If your liver keep producing stones
>> constantly, you can do 1 cleanse every two months.
>>  People who do cleanse regularly, will dramatically reduce their chances
>> for getting Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS and many other diseases.
>> Cleanse will keep toxins and parasites away, and will keep you in good
>> mood!
>>  For people who already suffer from Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes,
>>AIDS, the
>> liver cleanse is a vital step in regaining health.
>>  It is always much easier to prevent diseases, than to regain
>>health, once
>> you are sick.  Don't blame your liver for making gallstones constantly.   Be
>> happy that your liver is still able to pack all the bad toxins inside small
>> marbles, so that they are not reabsorbed with your intestines!
>>  Liver /GB cleanse is single MOST powerful way to improve your health in
>> JUST 24 hrs.  It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a
>> day!
>> The liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one
>> large tube
>> (the common bile duct).   The gallbladder is attached to the common bile
>> duct and acts as a

CS>Avoid Gall Bladder Surgery

[Pamela Grant]

Forwarded from another list.(this recipe seems important enough, wouldn't
you say?)

Pam

http://www.cat007.com/stones.htm

Improve your health dramatically..easy and free.

Lowers cholesterol and allows your body to function efficiently.
Avoid needless and dangerous gall bladder surgery.

 At least 80% of people older then 30 have intrahepatic stones, that we
call "gallstones" as there is no big difference between stones inside the
liver
and stones inside the gall bladder.
 Gallstones are always first created inside the liver!
 Gallstones inside the gallbladder(GB) have always first started inside
the
liver (intrahepatic bile ducts = tubes inside your liver)!!!
 Then , they "roll" down to the GB, where they may continue growing, until
they take all the space inside your GB.   People may have gallstones as big
as 5 cm across. (2 inch)
 If you have stones inside your GB, you already have hundreds of stones
inside your liver !   (Not all of them are big !) I call "stone" everything
bigger
then 2 mm across, everything in solid state, everything that can not be called
bile, but is still made of it.
 Questions:
 How many cleanses do you need ?
 Very few adults have no stones!   Healthy skin is a sign of healthy liver
and healthy intestines.
 After age 50-60 almost all the people have stones !   Some adults with
very good and healthy liver menage to clean out all liver in only 3-5
cleanses.
  Skin of those people is extremely beautiful, soft and healthy, before, and
especially after cleanse.   After cleanse, their skin is as beautiful as
skin of
 the people from the first group.  Other people get stones out every time
they do cleanse, regardless of cleanse frequency.   The liver of these people
is able to generate hundreds of new stones (something like process of
 crystallization inside intrahepatic bile ducts, bile starts
crystallizing and
stones starts growing.) in just a few days or few weeks.   Skin of those
people is not as healthy as skin of those from the previous group.

 You will know it is working. You will see the stones in your stools.

 New stones are usually of tann-green color, almost transparent, pure
cholesterol, bile salts and toxins (heavy metals, mercury from food and
amalgam, cadmium, led, and others ).   Old stones can have more different
colors, more pigment, more different salts and if cut across one will see
layers, which can not be easily seen in stones created in very short time.  If
cleanses are done 2/3 times each week then:   First 1-3 cleanses are
cleaning out almost only old stones.   Next 3-10 cleanses can clean out
combination of old and newly created stones.   Next 10 - X .. cleanses will
clean out only newly created stones.  If your liver keep producing stones
constantly, you can do 1 cleanse every two months.
 People who do cleanse regularly, will dramatically reduce their chances
for getting Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS and many other diseases.
Cleanse will keep toxins and parasites away, and will keep you in good
mood!
 For people who already suffer from Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS, the
liver cleanse is a vital step in regaining health.
 It is always much easier to prevent diseases, than to regain health, once
you are sick.  Don't blame your liver for making gallstones constantly.   Be
happy that your liver is still able to pack all the bad toxins inside small
marbles, so that they are not reabsorbed with your intestines!
 Liver /GB cleanse is single MOST powerful way to improve your health in
JUST 24 hrs.  It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a
day!
The liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one
large tube
(the common bile duct).   The gallbladder is attached to the common bile
duct and acts as a storage reservoir.   Eating fats triggers the
gallbladder to
squeeze itself empty after about twenty minutes, and the stored bile finishes
its trip down the common bile duct to the intestine.   Liver usually manage to
take most of the toxins (that it can recognize) out of our body.
 Bile is used to remove heavy metals out from our body (cadmium,
copper, lead, mercury, radioactive elements, ...)   But, the way our liver is
doing it may cause those toxins to come back inside of our body.   Our liver
is producing bile from cholesterol by converting it into bile acids. Bile
contain
also a lot of toxins that have to be removed from our body.   But, the problem
is that bile is going directly into our intestines, and by doing this we have
chance of absorbing those toxins again in our blood stream.
 It is natural fibers and lignans in our food that are suppose to bind
with
bile, and help taking bile out of our intestines. What happens if we don't eat
enough fibers ?   We may reabsorb some of the bile back into the blood and
lymph stream.
 In order to prevent reabsorbing those toxins, our intestines produce even
more mucus on it's walls, preventing

CS>Health Bill

[Pamela Grant]

Barrett/Renner “Anti-Health Campaign” fizzles in Minnesota.

Minnesota recently passed, and signed into law, one of the most
comprehensive health reform bills in the history of the United States.
The bill passes both houses of the State legislature with a huge majority,
and was signed by the Governor despite a massive lobbying effort by what
health leaders call "the minions of the drug barons."

Apparently, the people of the State of Minnesota woke up one morning and
decided that they wanted “real health care” in their State.  So they put a
group together, wrote a definitive health bill,  hand-carried it through the
legislature, and up to the Governor’s desk, and said "Hey Jesse, sign
here..."  Jesse did.

They wanted their health bill to protect their right to freedom of choice,
and to keep their practitioners free from harassment - while establishing
guidelines.  GOOD idea.

They did it.  It’s done.  The Governor signed the bill Thursday, May 11th,
2000.  And now, Minnesota leads the nation with the best, most comprehensive
health bill in the country.  It is a law to copy, everywhere.

And, despite opposition from the "drug lord minions," they did it easily.

I’d say “Congratulations” to them, if they’d accept it - and maybe they
will.  But I have the feeling that Minnesota would shrug, and say something
like “we just did what we needed to do - what’s the big deal?”

The fact is, it is a big deal - because Minnesota did it first, and they did
it best.

So, whether you want to hear it, or not, Minnesota, “Congratulations.”

Oh, and by the way, “THANK YOU VERY MUCH.”

THE “QUACKPOT MENACE (Barrett, Renner, et al)”  was there, of course, trying
to stop “The People’s” efforts. But their performance was, well, in kind
words, “laughable.”

Apparently Barrett and Renner, in the beginning, were confident that their
local team in Minnesota could deal with the problem.  “After all,” they must
have said, “we have our very own legislator (‘Doc Mulder’) on tap.”  “And,”
they must have said, “we have our very own ‘quack museum - the Museum of
Questionable Medical Devices’ - right there in Minneapolis. That should do
it...”

But, it didn’t...

Despite the best efforts of Barrett’s Minnesota henchmen, who, to the
apparent amusement of elected officials,  screeched up and down the halls of
the legislature screaming “this is a witchcraft bill,” the bill passed the
House with a vote of 111 to 23.  Stunned, I’d guess, Barrett’s local lead
man muttered all the way back to his “museum.”

For the quackpots then, it was time to bring in the “Big Guns” and “show
these Minnesotans Who’s Who.”  So, on the scene pops Stephan Barrett (don’t
call him doctor) himself  - interviewed (yawn) on Minnesota Public Radio.
And then, entering from stage left is “the man, himself,” the President of
the National Council For Reliable Health Information - John Renner - who,
apparently,  tells Minnesota legislators that “A multi-million dollar New
York law firm is responsible for the Minnesota Health Freedom bill.”

I heard the legislators' laughter could be heard in South Dakota...

Did the mighty Renner and Barrett, the scions of so-called anti-quackery,
have an effect on the bill’s future?  Oh yeah!   The Senate passed the
health bill 80 to 1.

Then, of course, the Governor signed it.

WHAT’S NEXT?

Well, I suggest, in every State, it’s time to go to the next logical step...

For instance, isn’t it time for a “Physician’s Re-Training Act” - a bill
designed to force MD s to upgrade their skills - or lose their licenses?
MDs just don’t keep up with the needs of the public - they seem to want to
just peddle dangerous drugs, or push costly, and unnecessary, “surgeries.”

And then, a “Physician’s Review Act,” where a citizen’s committee can review
an MDs practice to determine whether he/she is using expensive, and
personally profitable, drug “treatments” where he/she should be using
natural “cures,” or dealing with the “cause” of an illness.  This bill could
provide for license removal and the seizure of assets of convicted
offenders - the assets could be put into a fund for MD “victims.”

Then, a “Medical Board Revision Act,” designed to remove all MDs from state
medical boards, and replace them with citizens (like they are doing in
Ontario, Canada - right now).  Give them a mandate to clean up the MD’s
act - with police, assett seizure, and arrest, powers.  MDs, as a group,
have shown an inability to regulate themselves - and are abusing their
regulatory power to stifle, and destroy, competition for health dollars.

Then a “Hospital Reform Act...”  And then, and then,,,

Here's the story from the Minnesota Health Reform team, in their own
words...

-

Minnesota Natural Health Legal Reform Project
3236 17th Ave. S, #1
Minneapolis, MN 55407
(612) 721-3305

Health NewsJune 6, 2000

Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura signs ”Health Care Freedom of Access Bill.”


The “Complementary and Altern

Re: CS>The biggest homeopathy list

[Pamela Grant]

Thank you. I just have one more request. If you are on that list, any
chance you could send me an invite as I am unable to go to the web at
present.

PG




>The biggest homeopathy list (over 2000 members)
>is the homeopathy lyghtforce list.  You can get on the
>list by going to www.homeopathyhome.com
>
>They give instructions on how to join the list.
>
>M. Louis
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Pamela Grant" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:36 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>attn:Nicole...Lyme and Ledum
>
>
>> Does anyone know of a homeopathy list? I would be quite interested in
>such--
>>
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CS>OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme

[Pamela Grant]

Thanks



>Hi Pamela
>try these sites for the info you require
>http://www.ioa.com/~dragonfly/multi-pulser.html
>http://www.rarebooks.net/beck/b9.htm
>http://www.sota-inc.com/mpg
>Alvin
>
>Pamela Grant wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Do you have any links to this device or website?
>>
>> PG
>>
>> >Hi Again Pamela
>> >it's me again...The magnetic pulser is a magnetic pulse generator
>> >which generates a powerful magnetic pulse...The coil acts as the
>> >primary winding of a transformer and the body tissue acts as the secondary
>> >winding which induces 50 to 100 microamps of current into the location.
>>such
>> >as the lymph nodes or diseased organ...this current is harmless to healthy
>> >cells
>> >This microcurrent disables viruses, bacteria and pathogens in the tissue in
>> >the same way that the blood purifier does in the blood...
>> >Alvin
>> >
>> >Pamela Grant wrote:
>> >
>> >> What is the magnetic pulser?
>> >>
>> >> PG
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Marshall
>> >> >With the Beck Devices it's just a matter of not taking toxic substances
>> >> >and treat yourself until you have completely recovered...Problems
>> >> >that are not in the blood takes a little longer and the magnetic pulser
>> >> >is required for lymph node and tumor recovery as you have to
>> >> >treat the areas affected...good magnetic power projection is
>> >> >required for the pulser and colloidal silver to help the immune system.
>> >> >Alvin
>> >> >
>> >> >Marshall Dudley wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> rob gr wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hey, need some feedback from some Lymies out there.  For those
>> >>trying to
>> >> >> > come back from later stage lyme... How long before you saw
>>improvement/
>> >> >> > remission?  also, any one have similar symptoms: burning sensations,
>> >> >> > inflamation, and muscle spasms before using CS and did this
>>resolve any
>> >> >> > and/or all of these problems? Finally, did others use CS alone or in
>> >> >> > conjunction with Antibiotics?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > thanks,
>> >> >> > rob
>> >> >> > in memphis
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My sister in Memphis who was in the later stages used CS alone,
>>but hit a
>> >> >> plateau.  She then started using Beck's 4 step protocol and was
>> >>symptom free
>> >> >> in about 2 months.  The slowest part was using the magnetic pulsar
>>on the
>> >> >> lymph system, there are so many nodes, she would clear it out of
>>one area
>> >> >> then move on to another area.  By the time she was through, some
>> >> >>swelling had
>> >> >> returned to the initially treated areas, so this took a look of
>>work to
>> >> >> completely clear out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marshall
>> >> >>
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