>actual editing of bylaws hasn't started. But it is a fairly strong
>indication that you have indeed made a "decision".
>
>> I have received some positive responses like Jay's, but we have not
>> yet formed any ORSC drafting team or started any work.
>
&
SO and ICANN into international regulatory agencies that
>> police trademarks in a more efficient, centralized way than the normal legal
>> channels.
>
>If that happens it will happen. The mandate for ICANN involvement in
>TM issues come
ek profits are scoundrels
and criminals, in her eyes. All who engage in business have no ethics or
morals, being one step below lawyer-slime.
Clearly Ronda is delusional.
Clearly Ronda offers no proof of this statement.
Clearly Ronda is an anti-business bigot.
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t, is that we are getting confused between top level
and second level names. ICANN has no authority over second level names,
IMHO. That is for the top level to decide. It is even arguable that ICANN
has authority over the top level, beyond obvious name conflicts.
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or completely eroded, narrowly specifies them as being quite different.
It is the lack of well-enforced charters that creates this problem in the
first place.
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dispute policy.
Do you see a connection? The TLD thing is icing.
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railroad.
The question is, can they commit? Once the contract is
awarded, the original people have no reason to listen to
those evil commerce people ever again.
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>Get a modern email viewer. There are plenty available.
... even on FreeBSD
BTW Dave, I have disabled the setting on out-bound mail, for my EudoraPro.
So, I can recieve such mail, but I don't send it. There are too many
complaints when I turn it on.
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eard of you. Now, out of nowhere, y'all come up with a
new DNSO proposal?
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not, IMHO, justifiable
cause to let WIPO, or anyone else, practice general DNS censorship. The
remedies abound for after the fact protection. There is no need for prior
restraint activities.
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view, I couldn't even find room for a hydrogen
molecule.
>percentage, unless it were made up of attorneys who specialize in
>trademark law (and even then . . . wow . . . 3 attorneys in one room?!!).
I would expect that would result in at least six different legal opinions
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I
have no problem with either one. However, I don't make discrete connections
and wait for my mail to download either (100baseTX is *nice*). OTOH, most
users of HTML/MIME capable clients do NOT know how to turn that feature off
(I'm not sure it CAN be turned off on
hrough actual living, breathing people.
>
>As such, there is always a significant question whether a person does, in
>fact, represent a particular corporation even if that corporation is
>legitimate.
see above wrt corporate bank accounts.
>It would be unfair to give such a
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Overall, I expect to have the list server up in a few weeks, a little more
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bad
>that no one ever told cochetti or sims that the internet as a stupid
>network with the intelligence on all our desktops can have no central
>office.
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sage for you from Gene Marsh:
>You are invited to join a discussion of IPv8 Domain Space .WEB. This
>will be an OPEN discussion, all opinions will be heard.
Did you tell Jim about this? I happen to know he'll go ballistic if he
finds out.
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At 04:01 PM 2/1/99 +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote:
>At 10:56 31/01/99 -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>> Also note that, as Active Networks come on-line, this can be
>> supplanted/replaced with LDAP directories. Also, RFC802 needs a re-write
>> anyway (talk about crufty).
&
policy. If this
>>is true, it could possibly be concluded that cybersquatters
>>are focusing more on non-trademarked names.
>
>Possible, yes, but can one truly "cybersquat" if the name
>isn't trademarked?
>
>
>
r the same name, unlike in trademark law, because
geo-political proximity issues, a compromise which much trademark law is
based on, are eliminated by the Internet itself. The only solution possible
is that trademark law can not apply to DNS entries a priori. They must be
adjudicated ad hoc.
time,
every time. You suggestion will break commercial use of the Internet.
At 04:59 PM 2/2/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote:
>[I am not on the dnsproc-en list, so you have my permission to forward
>my response there if you wish. --gregbo]
>
>"Roeland M.J. Meyer" <[EMAIL PROT
ers, on 250 MILLION machines,
is equally non-trivial. We are discussing inherent traits with plenty of
inertia behind them. When I said "incompatible", and what Vint Cerf clearly
meant, was that the two weren't even in the same dimension, there is no
commonal
nate, which is
>working alongside ISOC to put on the event, will then pass a
>mock law, based on user input. The real-world event, called
>"Internet Law: Conquering a Global Village," will take place
>19-29 March. For more information, see ISOC France at
>http://www.isoc.asso.fr
t;1 (212) 924-8800
>1 (212) 924-0240 fax
>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
>New York, NY 10011 USA
>http://www.edventure.com
>
>PC Forum: 21 to 24 March 1999, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
>High-Tech Forum in Europe: 24 to 26 October 1999, Budapes
t;
>{ >Actually, one may have multiple references for the same name. People
>{ >do it all the time. My company has several IP addresses for its web
>{ >site, that are offered in a round-robin manner for load sharing.
>{ >
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-regulation. The ICANN does not.
The two organizations can not be compared.
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>>Diane Cabell
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>>http://www.mama-tech.com
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>>Fausett, Gaeta & Lund, LLP
>>Boston, MA
>>http://www.fausett.com
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oubt me, check the EPIC site and search for WIPO references.
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None that I know of, it is not an ORSC list.
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know that I always have
been a vocal proponent for freedom and civil liberties, that greatly
trancend the Internet, business, and profits. This is a higher calling that
you seem to have missed.
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so now.
http://www.epic.org
nuf said.
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ck-record.
Martin, you asked for proof, be careful what you ask for, I just gave it to
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results to these lists
later.
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he west coast. We (INEGroup) would suggest meetings be held in a
>more centralized location such as Dallas.
Jeff,
Dallas is only central to Texans, of which my wife is one .
Albeit, from the Texas capital of Louisianna, Port Arthur, cher.
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LD may yet be in the future. Whether or not ICANN
blesses it, we don't care. They're "ate up" anyway. A secure TLD is
self-sufficient, it has to be and that is the main benefit.
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t would filter out the duplicates and provide consolidated
two-way content. The current situation is wearing out my delete-key, on a
keyboard that already has enough problems. (Anyone have a "short" Northgate
keyboard available, even used? These new ones suk [no f
uch consensus backing and approval is
the "Paris Draft" DNSO proposal.
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>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Sondow writes:
>> Roeland M.J. Meyer a =E9crit:
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>> > Are you aware that the ISOC is representing the DSNO.ORG Washington DC
>> > draft?=20
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uch consensus backing and approval is
the "Paris Draft" DNSO proposal.
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a
definite consensus that agreement needs to be found among the various DNSO
proposal drafts. The process of negotiated compromise has already begun,
absent the editors of the BMW draft, by their choice. Maintaining open
neutrality, in the face of the available evidence, is ... difficult.
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e same. One does not have to be an ISP. Pacific Bell, MCI, and
Wells Fargo Bank also control their own zone files.
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At 12:16 PM 2/8/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote:
>Roeland M.J. Meyer a écrit:
>
>> Anyone with knowledge, a Unix system, and a full-time Internet connection
>> can do the same.
>
>Do the average domain name holders have the knowledge, a Unix machine, and
>an Internet
w.
The only way out is a gap analysis and some creative negotiating towards a
solutions matrix. It appears that, with the possible exception of the
trademark interests, the rest of the community is willing to go down that
road, are you? Most of the significant leaders have spoken in favour of
this
value judgement and there is enough controversy as it is . I just got
a message from Vint Cerf and I'll replay it here next.
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admit that it is an intractable problem.
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>Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:35:20 -0500
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At 01:21 PM 2/9/99 -0500, Bret A. Fausett wrote:
>Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>
>>I'm just tossing this to start things off. It addresses the fundamental
>>issue wrt trademarks. It is an insight that I think we can all agree with
>>at some level. Much of the disagreemen
ated my view of the importance of this issue.
>Thank God we have laws in this country.
Which country *is* that? Therein lays the problem.
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is is the problem. There are some
obvious questions from this;
Why to TM attorney's always ignore the administrative portion of the name
(the TLD), in their suits? Is there some issue with trademark law that
requires them to do this? If there is no such requirement then why do it
, I argue that society is better served by preserving the
>maximum freedom of action and freedom for the marketplace.
>
>g) You have also made the argument that burden on existing stakeholders is
>sufficiently severe to warrant immediate and dramatic relief. I disagree as
>both a f
opinion why this should be this way and I'll leave it to the
attorney's on this list to provide such, should they so chose.
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>But it's certainly possible I may have missed something -- perhaps
>you could list the things WIPO advocates that would break current TM
>law?
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is that Bill knows his business as well as you
know yours. Bill is a *practicing* attorney.
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ever space they
>needed for their own network, but really, would such a list be bigger
>than *two* characters could deal with?)
Could you clarify this?
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ins. The domain admin determines the architecture of the
sub-domains. MHSC.NET goes down to five-level domains, with a completely
different architecture.
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xt of existing law.
>
>The slipperiness of this is obvious. What does it mean to be "done in the
>context of existing law??" Does that mean that it is legal, illegal,
>extralegal? Is there any thing that is NOT "in the context of" existing law?
>The man i
rs, and likely to undermine values of free expression.
>Recent
>case law demonstrates that there is a good chance that a US court would find
>such an arbitration agreement contained in an adhesion contract to be
>unconscionable when applied to a consumer and refuse to enforce it. I
conclude that there
>is no way that nma.org is connected to nma.com, and thus the use of the two
>DNs are not confusingly similar.
>
>OK, that was the example with acronyms (which are not particularly
>distinctive) - what about microsoft.com and microsoft.org.
My daughter
he
>> opportunity to form a constituency.
>
>So, you believe that big business should have two constituencies: one for
>themselves, and one for their lawyers?
You mis-read him Michael. I believe he was comparing both drafts.
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ribed to the other lists. This mechanism will be up
for the duration of this discussion. I didn't announce it before because it
has only recently passed testing (I wasn't sure it would work ). I
believe this is called an "exploder" list.
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At 10:33 AM 2/11/99 +00-04, Kerry Miller wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:50:13 -0800
>> From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Could we think of it as a tree, with subsections branching into other
>> >lists?
>>
>> 1) T
there is
>>no decision reprinted on lexis. can anyone lay their hands on the actual
>>decision?
>>
>http://www.compupix.com/ballysucks/decision.htm
>
>See also:
>
>http://www.compupix.com/ballysucks/
>
>which is up and running.
>
>Bill Lovell
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le and publicized precedent would be lost.
>
>Yeah, but if it meant getting rid of the jewsforjesus.org precedent, you
>would be for it. In any event, the national civil courts will be superior
>to any administrative tribunal below it. So no valuable and publicized
>(publicized?) precedent
inted on lexis. can anyone lay their hands on the actual
>decision?
>
>
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rast, if the TM holder won, the nameholder would be shut out
>from its site and forced to sue to regain the name.
>
>e) The court's analysis would be clouded by the need to interpret the WIPO
>adjudication.
>
>f) Valuable and publicized precedent would be lost.
>
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rmonization of TM law with the DNS.
Thank you, but let's not, unless we have compelling reason. It takes effort
to re-arrange filters.
PS. I don't have an "s" anywhere in my name.
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enforced TLD charters would help in reducing this trademark pressure?
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possible about this. It would be a good sign
>for the new year if there were a change that made it more possible
>for people to participate in the IFWP process.
>
>With best wishes for the new year
Happy new year
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> Hunter S. Thompson
Welcome sir,
As you may already surmise. Mr. Sondow makes a rather bad habit of
stereotypical castigation. It is the nature of the beast, I'm afraid.
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forget these things momentarily. I think
we need occasional reminders that the above is a basic truth.
I like Stef's recommendation of a values-based organization at the top, be
it ICANN/DNSO or otherwise. It strikes a chord with me, personally.
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rom the IFWP list.
This is directly contrary to all assurances we have had from DNSO.ORG
folks. You are stating that they are double-dealing scoundrels.
Is this the cat exiting the bag?
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At 11:35 PM 2/14/99 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote:
>
>
>Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>
>> Martin makes a really good case for enforcing TLD charters. NSI has allowed
>> them to erode simply because the TLD space has been frozen. Do you think
>> enforced TLD charte
At 12:49 AM 2/15/99 +, jeff Williams wrote:
>Milton and all,
>
>Milton Mueller wrote:
>
>> Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>>
>> > Martin makes a really good case for enforcing TLD charters. NSI has
allowed
>> > them to erode simply because the TLD space h
domain in a for-profit TLD (COM)?
What I am really trying to find out is the level of "due-diligence" that
would be required of the TLD registry.
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At 12:55 AM 2/15/99 -0500, Antony Van Couvering wrote:
>>
>> Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>>
>> > Martin makes a really good case for enforcing TLD charters. NSI
>> has allowed
>> > them to erode simply because the TLD space has been frozen. Do
>> yo
until we start working possible solution-sets for
the legal/political problem. Since the problem is primarily legal, that
must be worked first. Technical and logistical issues only work to
constrain the solution-set.
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>
>On 15-Feb-99 Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>> Not necessarily. Given sufficient resources and careful crafting of
>> requirements, all things are implement able. It is largely a matter of
>> cost/effectiveness. IOW, is
omain Name Handbookhttp://www.domainhandbook.com
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ifferent parts, of course). It is
generally still considered experimental.
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>merchanise* had to be stated onsite, much of the pressure would
>be relieved.
>
> For 'enforcement', there is a body of net users who I imagine would
>be happy to tip off violators.
>
>As for *implementation, it seems like an ideal place to use XML.
>
>kerry
ithout forethought. I
submit that this type of mis-management can not be regulated away. Someone
will find some other way to make a boneheaded move. Please rest assured of
that. It also gets to the implementation question of who approves TLD
charters. It is a question expressly avoided until now.
eans that other
>> "doctors" who are not medical doctors are deprived of the use of a
>> string that also identifies them. Now, say we had .doctor, we could
>> delegate md.doctor to the AMA and they could then issue names as they
>> please.
&g
At 12:44 AM 2/16/99 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
>
>On 16-Feb-99 Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>>
>> NOW we go back up a few thousand feet to the primary question, do TLD
>> charters serve a purpose? In this specific context, will they help with the
>> TM vs DN
At 11:28 AM 2/16/99 +0200, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>
>> NOW we go back up a few thousand feet to the primary question, do TLD
>> charters serve a purpose?
>
>Why should they when they can not be enforced?
That is the sec
t find a TLD that matches their business needs then maybe they
should charter their own TLD? Unlike SLD registrations, TLD charters must
be manually reviewed, but the rate of additions is much lower. I really
don't see millions of TLDs, but then, no one foresaw millions of COM SLDs
either.
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Wouldn't the
>companies who are interested in having those names in all (or even
>most) TLDs pursue the same avenues they are pursuing in the existing
>gTLDs?
>
>--gregbo
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truggling
>entrepreneurs. We might very well wind up with only a few large
>companies as registries, because the others just won't be able to
>survive financially.
I have never seen a market for a pure TLD registry, as a stand-alone business.
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t is
much better than host files since primary DNS servers are vastly
out-numbered by secondaries. Only the primaries need be synch in this way,
normal DNS operations can update their secondaries. A 12-hour sync delay is
also acceptable, since the root-servers only get updated every 24 hours anyway.
clog the system. Another example is disk thrashing when the
>working set for a code is significantly bigger than the page cache.
Nice generalities, but where's the beef?
>Note that DNS traffic is already a significant fraction of the
>traffic on the backbones.
Do you ha
it even makes a good war story. Unfortunately, such
"John Wayne" tactics also create a bunch of dead heros. In a way, that's
sort of what was done with the ICANN and that's why they're in trouble.
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At 10:03 PM 2/21/99 +, jeff Williams wrote:
>Roeland, Stef and all,
>
>Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>
>> At 09:56 PM 2/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>At 03:06 PM 2/19/99 -0800, Einar Stefferud wrote:
>> >>>I have not analyzed this in any depth.
>>
At 06:18 PM 2/22/99 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
>At 02:02 AM 2/22/99 -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
>>So, if I understand your position, you would be willing to deal with the
>>devil himself just to move things forward and crush NSI? That's some pretty
>
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>Ro
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