Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Tom C
x27;ve bridged the credibility gap finally. :-) > > > > > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > > >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > >To: "pentax list" > > >Subject: Re: Hello! (introduct

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Brian Walters
Tom C. > > > > >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >To: "pentax list" > >Subject: Re: Hello! (introduction) > >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:27:02 + > > > >On 18/1/07, Mike Dausin (PDML

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Gonz
Hi Mike, Welcome to the list. I'm sure you have already figured out that we are a bunch of crazy, global warming obsessed, wallet challenged (due to frequent enablements) pixel peepers, except for those even crazier film guys. :) And dont ever let Cotty touch your lenses. He fondles them and

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Christian
Mike Dausin (PDML) wrote: > I've seen 2,000 e-mails on this list in just over a week! so, it's been a slow week. give it time, people will post more. :-) Welcome to the list! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mail

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Tom C
Ah, I see I've bridged the credibility gap finally. :-) Tom C. >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "pentax list" >Subject: Re: Hello! (introduction) >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:27:02 + > >On 18/1/07, Mike

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/1/07, Mike Dausin (PDML), discombobulated, unleashed: >Hello, I've been lurking on the list for a week or two and thought it >was about time I introduce myself. (I actually sent a message once >already, but it doesn't look like it made it. So forgive me if you get >this message twice) H

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/18/07 1:38 PM, "Mike Dausin (PDML)", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In any case, I look forward to talking with you all soon! Hi Mike, Welcome to one of the most entertaining lists of the world! Now, who's going to give him the usual welcoming routine with a "list" ? :-) Ken -- PDML Pent

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Brendan MacRae
Welcome aboard, Mike. Yes, there are still some of us who shoot Pentax. Some of us even shoot film from time to time. Imagine. ;-] -Brendan --- "Mike Dausin (PDML)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I've been lurking on the list for a week or > two and thought it > was about time I introduc

Re: Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread pnstenquist
Hi Mike, Welcome to the list. Now that you're here you'll soon find that your expensive hobby has become even more expensive. We're known for enablement. We'll help you talk yourself into buying all manner of Pentax toys. It's a free (in one sense of the word) perk that comes with list membershi

Hello! (introduction)

2007-01-18 Thread Mike Dausin (PDML)
Hello, I've been lurking on the list for a week or two and thought it was about time I introduce myself. (I actually sent a message once already, but it doesn't look like it made it. So forgive me if you get this message twice) My name is Mike Dausin and I am a computer security engineer from

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 08:50:42PM +, Cotty wrote: > On 11/1/07, Tim ?sleby, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a year and a half. > > Wow, seems more like ten. Only if you count in dog years ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net htt

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread Brian Walters
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > graywolf > Sent: 11. januar 2007 16:24 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) > > Let&#

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Cotty wrote: >> Correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a year and a half. > Wow, seems more like ten. ... [ka ching!] I've been here two years but I think it's aged me ten. Those who have been here for 8 years are probably over one hundred now, it's an e^x

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/1/07, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed: >Correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a year and a half. Wow, seems more like ten. > ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread Tim Øsleby
re a year and a half. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 11. januar 2007 16:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) Let's put it more bluntly

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread Norm Baugher
I thought this was a Pentax and all things photo related list. (I'm going to take out an insurance policy on my camera before I take a picture of my gun wrapped in a Canadian flag) Norm graywolf wrote: > Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography > techniques a

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Where and when was that suggested, and by whom? Shel > [Original Message] > From: graywolf > Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography > techniques are somewhat off-topic, and the photo-aesthetic stuff is > completely off topic and actually belongs on some oth

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-11 Thread graywolf
Let's put it more bluntly, this is a Pentax Camera list. The photography techniques are somewhat off-topic, and the photo-aesthetic stuff is completely off topic and actually belongs on some other list. The PDML has always been very tolerant of off-topic posts, but the suggestion that the on-to

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/1/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >This looks set fair to be another lot of nonsense about definitions. Define 'definitions' ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Bob W
> > On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And how did you, or do you, deal with B&W? > > > > Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but > some kind of > > technician. > > I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to > Cory's posts. Whet

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, let me then amend my post: I think he's more a technician than a > photographer concerned with the aesthetics and creativity involved in > photographing a subject. I believe Mr.Papanfuss has stated that as well, > at least to some degr

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Bruce Dayton
This could certainly be an interesting discussion. I'm sure we could categorize types of photos and the skills needed for them. Also, we could go so far as to say that the more technical skill you have, the better off you are. However, without some artistic skill, photos can be less interesting.

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:09 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) My turn to say "Interesting". Ever since I really got seriously interested in photography, in the late 80's, I've felt it was a great melding

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Tom C
ROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:16:59 -0500 > >Interesting. > >I consider myself a photographer - period. Although I tend to enjoy nature >

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
; inquired if they were for sale! These were highly abstract images of fracture surfaces of some automotive components. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Cory Papenfuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) > Watch out here as

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Watch out here as an elitist snob... I have been very careful to qualify any of my potentially denigrating comments WRT "photographer" vs. "technician." I personally think of it as the difference between a "technical photographer" and an "artsy photographer." I am very much the former

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, let me then amend my post: I think he's more a technician than a photographer concerned with the aesthetics and creativity involved in photographing a subject. I believe Mr.Papanfuss has stated that as well, at least to some degree. Further - and this just may be me - I don't recall ever se

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:23 AM, William Robb wrote: >> I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to >> Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making photographs to create art or >> records surely they are still a photographer if they control how or >> what is being photographed? >

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > I may have overstated my position somewhat, but I personally find > endless tweaking on the computer irritating and circuitous. My > "photography" style ends as it did when shot film... once the > shutter is > pressed. All of the technical (

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Digital Image Studio" Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) > On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And how did you, or do you, deal with B&W? >> >> Youir comments suggest that you're not

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 11/01/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And how did you, or do you, deal with B&W? > > Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of > technician. I'm a bit confused and surprised at some of the comments relating to Cory's posts. Whether somebody is making

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> And how did you, or do you, deal with B&W? > Occasionally. > Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of > technician. > > Shel I may have overstated my position somewhat, but I personally find endless tweaking on the computer irritating and circuitou

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And how did you, or do you, deal with B&W? Youir comments suggest that you're not a photographer but some kind of technician. Shel > > Cory Papenfuss wrote: >... I am quite in the minority as a > "technical photographer" as > opposed to an "artsy photographer." > Most are the latter and

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: >You need to look at more good pictures then. >Not necessarily photographs either. Great advice! I'm very fortunate to live within walking distance of a good art museum (the Carnegie) and I find looking at paintings to be quite instructive. They had an exhibit of Hudson Rive

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not photography, that's creating a recording of a subject. You > have to learn to trust your eyes and aesthetics, and develop the > ability to see, to do photography. Wow, I didn't realize that this was the case. -- Rob Studdert

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Agreed. For example, I find it useless in most situations to try to reproduce the exact temperature of the light. For some shots, I want a warm look, for others, something colder. What the finished photographs communicates is the important element. To me, what was really there is insignificant.

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-10 Thread John Whittingham
> The real test is how they appear in prints. Yes absolutely. My Epson 1290S is in for service at the moment though. > How do you compare the sharpening in ACR to C1? I never seem to be able to get a truly sharp image using the controls in ACR, no big deal if I'm going to open the image in PS a

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 9, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > ... I am quite in the minority as a "technical photographer" as > opposed to an "artsy photographer." Most are the latter and whatever > looks good is acceptable. I find it difficult to trust my own > sense of > quality, so I resort to objec

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Cory Papenfuss" Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) > > I am cursed by the fact that I do not trust my own preference for > "pleasing/accurate," You need to look at more good pictures then. Not necessarily phot

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> The problem, Cory, is that the question I was responding to, and > subsequent discussion, was a bona fide question by a new user on how > best to work with his K10D RAW image files. Not all of us are > interested in theoretical pedantry. > My bad... I don't recall the original inquiry. I

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello John, I have used C1 for quite a long time. What I found was that it was very good for doing batches of images. If you were only going to do one or two, then some of the batch capabilities didn't really help much. It shines best when adjust the first image of a group of similar (WB, expos

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
The real test is how they appear in prints. How do you compare the sharpening in ACR to C1? Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Whittingham > Thanks Wendy, I seem to be able to get sharper images with C1 than with ACR, > at least that's how they appear on the monitor. -- PDML Pent

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread John Whittingham
> I love using Capture One. I used to use BreezeBrowser for batch > conversions, now I tend to use C1. > It doesn't support the K10D pef and DNG yet, unfortunately. > I have the LE version. > > Wendy Thanks Wendy, I seem to be able to get sharper images with C1 than with ACR, at least that's how

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread wendy beard
I love using Capture One. I used to use BreezeBrowser for batch conversions, now I tend to use C1. It doesn't support the K10D pef and DNG yet, unfortunately. I have the LE version. Wendy On 1/8/07, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anybody tried Capture One Pro? There's a demo av

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not all of us are interested in theoretical pedantry. Mark! Two quotes out of the one post, impressive. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distud

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Christian
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Pedantry does not produce photographs. MARK! ;-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 9, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > I don't thing Photoshop deals with RAW images anyway, does it? A > RAW image doesn't even make sense until it's been interpolated into > RGB. > Anyway, as usual I care little... just having a good ol' fashioned > pedantic discussion...

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Cory Papenfuss" Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) >> > I don't thing Photoshop deals with RAW images anyway, does it? A > RAW image doesn't even make sense until it's been interpolated into RGB. > Anyway,

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread John Whittingham
> I bought a 2GB Sandisk extreme III card and with it came a cd with > RescuePro and a license for registrering CaptureOne LE. As it > doesn't support the pef of the K10D yet, I didn't look further into > it. I am entitled to one upgrade, so I hope the next upgrade > includes the support of the

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-09 Thread Frits Wüthrich
I bought a 2GB Sandisk extreme III card and with it came a cd with RescuePro and a license for registrering CaptureOne LE. As it doesn't support the pef of the K10D yet, I didn't look further into it. I am entitled to one upgrade, so I hope the next upgrade includes the support of the K10D for P

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Cory Papenfuss
>> If you haven't already, you might want to take a read of this >> guy's rantings on linear vs. gamma errors. The color management >> part of >> it is different from "gamma errors." >> http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/evaluation/gie/index.htm > > This guy is using Photoshop 6. Which means he's not

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 8, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > If you haven't already, you might want to take a read of this > guy's rantings on linear vs. gamma errors. The color management > part of > it is different from "gamma errors." > http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/evaluation/gie/index.htm This

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, but I think the first edition is more applicable to Elements. Paul On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:34 PM, George Sinos wrote: > Ed - There are two versions of the book. It was rewritten when CS2 > was released. > > GS > > On 1/8/07, Ed Keeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks for the info - I'm head

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-08 Thread George Sinos
Ed - There are two versions of the book. It was rewritten when CS2 was released. GS On 1/8/07, Ed Keeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the info - I'm heading out to the library this afternoon to > check out Fraser's book. > > Thanks! > Ed > > On 1/6/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-08 Thread John Whittingham
Has anybody tried Capture One Pro? There's a demo available, I was just wondering what the general opinions were. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is

Re: Introduction

2007-01-08 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/8/07, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Ed Keeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Everyone - I just want to say thanks for the warm welcome. I didn't > > anticipate such a "heated" conversation about the list ;-) > > > > I'm still reviewing the posts and making notes... > > > > T

Re: Introduction

2007-01-08 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Ed Keeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Everyone - I just want to say thanks for the warm welcome. I didn't > anticipate such a "heated" conversation about the list ;-) > > I'm still reviewing the posts and making notes... > > Thanks! > Ed You ain't heard nothing yet.:-) Wait till the green bu

Re: Introduction

2007-01-08 Thread Ed Keeney
Everyone - I just want to say thanks for the warm welcome. I didn't anticipate such a "heated" conversation about the list ;-) I'm still reviewing the posts and making notes... Thanks! Ed On 1/6/07, Ed Keeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello... > > Just wanted to introduce myself (again). I

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-08 Thread Ed Keeney
Thanks for the info - I'm heading out to the library this afternoon to check out Fraser's book. Thanks! Ed On 1/6/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can also purchase Bruce Fraser's Real World Camera RAW. It was > written with CS1 in mind, but it's quite a close match to Elements

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-08 Thread Cory Papenfuss
> Sorry, but that's not true. I know the difference between Bayer > interpolation and gamma-encoding. And gamma-encoding is not "simply > applying a logrithmic function" to the data before quantizing. It's a > mite bit more involved than that, although it presents a first order > approximation. > >

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
And you do this in Photoshop, right? ]'-) > You're confusing Bayer interpolation with gamma-encoding images. > They're not the same thing Bayer interpolation takes the monochome > "image" taken by the sensor with alternating RGBG color filter > masks and > tries to recreate an actual 3-col

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/01/07, Cory Papenfuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Likely done in a gamma-corrected 16-bit colorspace, but it doesn't > *have* to be. With 16-bits/channel, gamma-correction is even more > processing to the original RAW data than is necessary. Ah but it does, most commercial RAW con

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Cory Papenfuss
>> A few ways around that data loss: >> - Use 16-bit gamma RGB. There's still *some* data manipulation in >> terms >>of quantizing (rounding up/down), but 12-bit linear has less >> gradations >>in all areas than 16-bit gamma. >> >> - Keep all images 16-bit linear and use color-managem

Re: Introduction

2007-01-07 Thread graywolf
Well, you can trust anything I say.* *Except when I am lying or wrong... David Savage wrote: > Man, that list keeps growing. Are certain people more believable now? > > > Dave :-) > > On 1/7/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Welcome. >> >> BTW, Don't believe anything Paul Stenquist, Wil

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Tim Øsleby
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 7. januar 2007 15:21 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) Remember that in doing RAW conversion you are performing a gamma correction on a linear dataset. This means compressing (pushing closer together, setting

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff
IIRC, Bruce Fraser made that point in his books, and I've read it elsewhere as well. I usually set the black point in Photoshop, not ACR, but I'll play around with the black point in ACR just to see what the results might look like. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > You c

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: > A few ways around that data loss: > - Use 16-bit gamma RGB. There's still *some* data manipulation in > terms >of quantizing (rounding up/down), but 12-bit linear has less > gradations >in all areas than 16-bit gamma. > > - Ke

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Cory Papenfuss
A few ways around that data loss: - Use 16-bit gamma RGB. There's still *some* data manipulation in terms of quantizing (rounding up/down), but 12-bit linear has less gradations in all areas than 16-bit gamma. - Keep all images 16-bit linear and use color-management during any pr

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Remember that in doing RAW conversion you are performing a gamma correction on a linear dataset. This means compressing (pushing closer together, setting the white point on...) the high values) while expanding (stretching apart, setting the black point on...) the low values to fit the range

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Paul Stenquist
I sometimes set the black point first as well. I'm not really conscious of a specific ordering of steps in regard to exposure, brightness and shadows. I think I vary my sequence in respect to the specific needs of the shot I'm working with. Paul On Jan 7, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Jan van Wijk wrote: >

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-07 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 02:15:12 +0100, Tim sleby wrote: > >But unlike you, I think it is better setting the darks before brightness. If >I set darkness before brightness, it seems I always need to go back again. I agree with Tim on this one. Otherwise, I must say Paul's description is pretty clos

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread David Savage
Man, that list keeps growing. Are certain people more believable now? Dave :-) On 1/7/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Welcome. > > BTW, Don't believe anything Paul Stenquist, William Robb, Mark Roberts, > Frank Theriault, or Jostein say. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.ne

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread P. J. Alling
I know what part I believe... Brian Walters wrote: > Now which part of that do we believe? > > > Cheers > > Brian > > ++ > Brian Walters > Western Sydney Australia > > > Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> I don't know WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU MORON Ca

RE: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
: Re: Introduction On 6/1/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >Maybe it's been decided that Cotty's problems will quickly become >evident ... I don't know WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU MORON Cant you see your WRONG WRONG WRONG and I will rise out of the mist and become

Re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
You can also purchase Bruce Fraser's Real World Camera RAW. It was written with CS1 in mind, but it's quite a close match to Elements. Paul On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Hello Ed, > > If you're using Camera Raw with Photoshop Elements, most of the > information from Bruce

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Brian Walters
Now which part of that do we believe? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't know WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU MORON Cant you see your WRONG > WRONG > WRONG and I will rise out of the mist and become

re: RAW workflow (was: introduction)

2007-01-06 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Hello Ed, If you're using Camera Raw with Photoshop Elements, most of the information from Bruce Fraser's excellent book, "Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop CS2", as pertains to RAW data theory and Camera Raw basic functions, and suggested operational use, will be very helpful to you. T

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Introduction (Raw work flow) I'm probably a bit too tired and inebriated to do this, but I'll rough it out. I shoot only RAW. I open them in Camera RAW converter. I have CS1 on my main computer and CS2 on my laptop. I use both. CS2 is only an advan

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Cotty
On 6/1/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >Maybe it's been decided that Cotty's problems will quickly become >evident ... I don't know WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU MORON Cant you see your WRONG WRONG WRONG and I will rise out of the mist and become THE GREAT GOD of the aperture simulator a

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Cotty
On 6/1/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: >BTW, Don't believe anything Paul Stenquist, William Robb, Mark Roberts, >Frank Theriault, or Jostein say. :-) Freedom at last!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com ___

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
hlights. > Paul > On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > >> As you might know, I'm no expert. So why don't others chime in >> correcting >> me? >> >> >> Tim >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >> >> >> -Original M

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Bruce Dayton
>>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: Introduction >>Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:03:52 -0500 >> >>Welcome back, Ed. You're off to a good start with your gallery

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Bruce Dayton
Ed, Welcome back aboard. Have lot's of fun with that new DSLR and post some PESO's now and then. Join in the conversation when you can. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, January 6, 2007, 6:38:35 AM, you wrote: EK> Hello... EK> Just wanted to introduce myself (again). I was once a subscribe

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
TECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > Brian Walters > Sent: 6. januar 2007 23:11 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: RE: Introduction (Raw work flow) > > Thanks for that Tim. Very useful to know how others approach raw > processing. > > Oh, and welcome

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Maybe it's been decided that Cotty's problems will quickly become evident ... Brian Walters wrote: > Am I imaging it or is this list getting longer with each new introduction? > And what about Cotty? Is he now to be trusted? > &

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread P. J. Alling
Hah! I knew it! Paul Stenquist wrote: > In my secret second ( or maybe third?) life, I'm Ken Rockwell, and > I'm damn well tired of you Pentaxians making fun of me. Nikon rules! > Paul > On Jan 6, 2007, at 3:18 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > > >> Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>

RE: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
: Introduction Am I imaging it or is this list getting longer with each new introduction? And what about Cotty? Is he now to be trusted? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Welcome. > > BTW

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
The list is getting longer because Pentax is producing more viable products. One goes with the other. Paul On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > Am I imaging it or is this list getting longer with each new > introduction? And what about Cotty? Is he now to b

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
ubject: RE: Introduction (Raw work flow) Thanks for that Tim. Very useful to know how others approach raw processing. Oh, and welcome Ed! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Welcome Ed.

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread P. J. Alling
t;> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Introduction >> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:03:52 -0500 >> >> Welcome back, Ed. You're off to a good start with your gallery. Keep >> working at it. The dog

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Brian Walters
Am I imaging it or is this list getting longer with each new introduction? And what about Cotty? Is he now to be trusted? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Welcome. > > BTW

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks for that Tim. Very useful to know how others approach raw processing. Oh, and welcome Ed! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Welcome Ed. > > About raw word flow. I wrote an "article" des

Re: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
In my secret second ( or maybe third?) life, I'm Ken Rockwell, and I'm damn well tired of you Pentaxians making fun of me. Nikon rules! Paul On Jan 6, 2007, at 3:18 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> If you are Ken Rockwell, you like strong colours. > > I'm

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have replaced Cotty in the unreliable list:-). Paul On Jan 6, 2007, at 3:10 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: > On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Tom C wrote: > >> Welcome. >> >> BTW, Don't believe anything Paul Stenquist, William Robb, Mark >> Roberts, >> Frank Theriault, or Jostein say. :-) > > Seems like on

RE: Introduction (Raw work flow)

2007-01-06 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you are Ken Rockwell, you like strong colours. I'm not, thank God Dave Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

RE: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
Pentax Mental Syndrom? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 6. januar 2007 20:45 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Introduction And keep in mind that Tom suffers from

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread K.Takeshita
On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Tom C wrote: > Welcome. > > BTW, Don't believe anything Paul Stenquist, William Robb, Mark Roberts, > Frank Theriault, or Jostein say. :-) Seems like one usual suspect is missing. Can't remember who :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://p

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
gt; >> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Introduction >> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:03:52 -0500 >> >> Welcome back, Ed. You're off to a good start with your galler

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ed, Welcome back. I started digital with a Sony S75-85 in tandem with film. About 18 months ago, I went for a *ist Ds and NO MORE Shutter Lag. I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I took Picasa up on their offer and haven't looked back. The uploading is so much easier than AOL. I post the less

Re: Introduction

2007-01-06 Thread Tom C
Welcome. BTW, Don't believe anything Paul Stenquist, William Robb, Mark Roberts, Frank Theriault, or Jostein say. :-) Tom C. >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Introduction >D

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