Y. Omura, M.D., demonstrated this harmful effect through his
internationally renowned Bi-Digital O-Ring test. I trust his results.
He also demonstrated that the harmful influence diminishes over time.
The study, which I read long ago, suggested to me that the influence is
NOT a permanent dam
Altcancer.com, driven out of business by the FDA, had (maybe still has)
a testimonial from the parents of a little girl who recovered from a
brain cancer using low-cost products from altcancer. Check this site
and see if the information is still there. I think it may be. I
can't check on t
Caton's priceless information site is still
online. I believe that the Internet will eventually permit the truth
about alternative cures known to everyone.
JBB
On Friday, Jun 16, 2006, at 09:56 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Altcancer.com, driven out of business by the FDA, had (
, Jun 16, 2006, at 12:43 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
Marshall,
Here is the direct link:
http://altcancer.com/latham.htm
I hope and pray this helps your sister. Please let all of us know.
You have nothing at all to lose, and everything in the world to gain.
There is always a chance
The more I have read about curcumin over the years, the more impressed
I have been. I write this apropos the glioblastoma one member's
relative is suffering, because curcumin apparently transits the
blood/brain barrier, given its documented role in preventing Alz.
disease.Here's my message
List,
Many members know about big Pharm fraud, but few examples are as
compelling at the L-Tryptophan scam, which I recall very, very well.
BROJON, although being rather uneven in my opinion, has a great piece
which I am pasting below.
THE INSIDER'S STORY OF AN L-TRYPTOPHAN RESE
I love LEF, and agree entirely that the membership fee can pay for
itself on the first big discounted order. All the same, I'd point out
again that nutriceuticals such cinnamon and turmeric are cheap in bulk
at places like Costco, and very easy to take as food. Likewise the
very healthy blue
Way back in 1991, the Life Extension Foundation founders were arrested
and had their property confiscated in an attack similar to that which
shut down altcancer.com and put Greg Caton in jail.
I had not known about the LEF busts. Those concerned about health
freedom need to read this.
T
Mr. Moussouliotis, you may be aware that in the USA, orgone researcher
Dr. Wilhelm Reich had his equipment smashed, his books burned, and his
body thrown into prison, where he died in 1957 shortly before his
release. It was one of the most grotesque miscarriages of justice I
know of.
Reic
Ha! Very clever of you! I'm still chuckling as I write.
Of course I meant "his impending (or scheduled) release."
Good eye, sir.
JBB
On Tuesday, Feb 8, 2005, at 20:20 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:
and his
body thrown into prison, where he died in 1957 shortly before his
release.
##
Japanese doctors have recently admitted that more than three percent of
cancer cases in this country are caused by ionizing radiation from
X-Rays and CAT scans. I was glad that at least the information came
out in a public forum.
JBB
On Wednesday, Feb 9, 2005, at 11:14 Asia/Tokyo, Himaga
HImagain,
If you seriously worry about your site being eliminated in whatever
fashion, may I suggest that you make some CD ROMS and distribute them
to interested parties?This may be a good idea if your concerns turn
out to be well-founded.
On Thursday, Feb 10, 2005, at 16:41 Asia/Tokyo,
I know of some far-sighted persons who distribute useful civil-defense
information on CDs and mail these to those who share an interest.
That was my only point. You could charge a fee to cover the expenses.
As for going into the trenches, I do not know what sorts of
experiences you ha
Walking down stairs also has some interesting effects which are
distinct from going upstairs. This may be related to the rebound
exercise you described.Someone published some data about this
recently. Bottom line: using the staircase in both directions is a
good idea!
On Saturday, F
Question: isn't Kefir white? I tried some recently, thinking I was
purchasing yogurt drink. It was similar to yogurt drink but much more
acidic. (I liked it very much). I do not mean to pick nits, but
if Kefir is a white food, then your first prohibition needs
modification. Kindly c
I have mentioned that bloodroot tincture may be useful in getting to
the root of root-canal problems, and persons willing to experiment on
themselves may wish to try this interesting herbal remedy.
On Tuesday, Mar 1, 2005, at 08:09 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote:
I thought I read instances of people
A friend of mine explored this therapeutic approach with his terminally
ill wife. She used a small infrared sauna, and took capsules of some
sort of blue-green algae. My friend claimed that some researchers in
Ireland had proven that this therapy would destroy cancer.
Supposedly the alga
Regarding mammograms and biopsy:the bi-digital o-ring test
developed by Y. Omura M.D. would, if exploited by trained doctors and
clinicians, provide a cheap, non-invasive, and reliable way to diagnose
breast cancer and many other forms of cancer. The archives has
links to sources of in
I am very happy to find this posting, as I just happen to have FINALLY
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book, The
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations, but intend to keep
reading and learning.
Generally I steer clear of this kind of controversy, but I have one
comment that I think may be helpful to anyone posting information about
health issues: be sure that any "attacks" do not invite or advocate
violence.
I mention this because I did read the interesting attack on Pasteur
poste
Presumably you are excluding subatomic particles from the discussion?
Leptons, mesons, etc.?
On Friday, Mar 18, 2005, at 19:33 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:
There isn't anything smaller than an ion..except maybe a different
ion.
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An excellent animated feature, "Waking Life," explores these ideas.
As usual, one of the most rewarding cinematic experiences arrived by
recommendation -- I rarely see movies unless someone tells me about
them.I also rarely recommend them, but this is an exception.
The movie has a grea
My friend's late wife used Cysplatin, which is platinum based, I
understand. My friend is English and he knew this drug was prescribed
in his country. Japanese medical doctors were willing to try it, to
their credit, though they don't usually use it. It was not helpful in
late-stage metasta
As an amateur, I am agnostic on the never-ending controversy, and try
to keep an open mind while continuing my self-education.I note that
just about everyone on this list has, in the end, observed that quality
home-brew EIS is effective for many complaints, and I have seen a
Silverge
I'm not Brooks, but I have one comment about this: it can be
difficult to re-hydrate with water, because large quantities can cause
a feeling of bloating and nausea.
I live in a very, very hot and humid summer climate, and I perspire
heavily and become dehydrated easily. For that reason,
First, the obvious: you certainly meant "barely distinguishable," or
"almost indistinguishable."
That is a minor point. The major point for most of us on this list is
your observation that both ionic products and particulate products have
nearly identical effects. This would seem to be co
Betsy,
I feel confident in saying the following, from a long time spent on
this list, and I am sure that no one on the lists will contradict me:
Quality, home-made electrically isolated silver, made using a well-made
low-voltage device such as the Silvergen SG6 or the SilverPuppy works
ver
On Friday, Apr 1, 2005, at 09:25 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
My forwarded message -- an e-mail I received -- was too long to go
through. Those interested can follow this link:
http://www.worldpharmacongress.com/
This site is very educational.
List,
I hope this forwarded
On Tuesday, Apr 5, 2005, at 14:10 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
On Tuesday, Apr 5, 2005, at 11:01 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
On Tuesday, Apr 5, 2005, at 09:16 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
Last try to send this message. . . . not going through for some
Test
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On Thursday, Apr 7, 2005, at 10:52 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
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The first and last sentence seem to describe very well much of the
behavior of the FDA. I was reading in Life Extension magazine today
that the FDA has known for years that a simple nutritional supplement
could eliminate the serious dangers of acitamenophen, but have refused
to take any a
Co-Q 10.
JBB
On Monday, Apr 11, 2005, at 23:32 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:
What is the supplement?
Marshall
"Jonathan B. Britten" wrote:
The first and last sentence seem to describe very well much of the
behavior of the FDA. I was reading in Life Extension magazine
I would love to read the report of the UK Parliament, but the link
returns a "site not found" error message.
Alas.
JBB
On Thursday, Apr 14, 2005, at 01:59 Asia/Tokyo, Terry Chamberlin wrote:
For a pick-me-up, read the rest of this:
UK Parliament SMASHES Big Pharma...
Opinion by Consumer A
I saw on the news tonight that Chinese groups have waged some cyber
attacks on Japanese servers.This may be cause of some problems
here. Thanks for the information.
JBB
On Thursday, Apr 14, 2005, at 21:27 Asia/Tokyo, Judydownmaine wrote:
Working fine for me -- 8:30 AM easter time Thur
I will second that. Our results were nothing short of astounding.
JBB
On Thursday, Apr 14, 2005, at 19:00 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:
Actually, Laurie, pink eye was one of the first things I tried CS on,
with convincing success. My (at the time) 8 yr. old daughter had it,
and a few drop
Bob Beck claimed that his Brain Tuner is very effective in treating
addictive disorders.It is available from SOTA instruments and from
list member T. Chamberlain also, I believe. The product is very
modestly priced in comparison to rehab -- a few hundred dollars -- and
may very well work
I read today that a former US senator, Billy Tauzin, (R-La.), recently
retired from Congress. In addition to his 85 thousand dollar annual
retirement package, he now gets close to two million dollars per year
as head of a pharmaceutical association. In Congress he was -- big
surprise -- on
; on this
dude.??? if he's honest, let it be, if not cut the juevoes off.
Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
I read today that a former US senator, Billy Tauzin, (R-La.),
recently retired from Congress. In addition to his 85 thousand
dollar annual retirement package, he now gets
re because our concern on this list is
with CS, and only my original posting was directly pertinent, insofar
as we are concerned with pharmaceutical companies in relation to CS.
On Saturday, Apr 16, 2005, at 16:07 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
See this link for details of a
Someone posted a link to Congressional hearings about Vioxx. You can
download the hearings with that link; check the archives. It is
appalling to see and hear the testimony of the FDA's own scientists,
who clearly, unambiguously recommended disapproval of the drug. They
knew it would cau
I second the motion. I would be wiling to purchase a low-cost but
well-made assembly.
JBB
On Friday, Apr 22, 2005, at 01:52 Asia/Tokyo, Vince Richter wrote:
I'm sure that an enterprising individual could help several people by
assembling and selling for a reasonable fee a complete apparatus
This comment will quickly to Off Topic if it goes anywhere, but here
goes. It pertains to "blackout" as mentioned by our moderator.
For some time now, i have routinely been asking friends whom I know to
be intelligent, well-informed, and highly literate whether or not they
are aware that a
Jacobs makes abundantly clear on her site and via correspondence that
she has no idea what kind of sliver product she took. This simple
fact invalidates many of her claims about silver medicine.
I did note a few years ago that she testified at some kind of hearing
about mild silver protein
I would add that the Jacobs site has some very useful information. For
example, she reveals that those little, silvery sugar beads used as
cake decorations are coated with -- get this -- real silver. I had not
known. Could you get argyria from these things? Perhaps so.
Moreover, her sit
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/michaelforrestarrested09jan05.shtml
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I have been searching for several years for a simple, high-quality
hand-held device enabling an independent researcher to conduct
self-checks of muscle strength.
I would be GREATLY indebted to anyone who can provide such information.
I would also be interested in cooperation from anyone ski
Thanks very much for the reply.
I am familiar with surrogate testing, but my goal is to perform
independent, solo tests.
I am not surprised that spring devices are useless; they are too
imprecise and the very fact that the device includes metal makes in
useless. Special materials are neede
:07 Asia/Tokyo, Sasha wrote:
Jonathan,
The Aurastar is a device that does just that. Contact Sylvia at
ssr...@rochester.rr.com
Sasha
---Original Message---
From: Jonathan B. Britten
Date: 05/11/05 17:30:00
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS & other cancer therapies
List,
Several times in the past few months, one member has responded to
messages using an alternative English orthography -- i.e., a kind of
phonemic spelling system that was unconventional but readable.
I can not find the postings from this person in my files. Would that
member kindly id
Pass in the tub of good warm water?
I hope that is not what you meant!
JBB
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, at 23:39 Asia/Tokyo, Richard Harris wrote:
Drinking only Papaya Juice for 3 days (nothing else, neither food nor
drink)--then drink 6 ounces of warm olive oil and sit in a tub of good
wa
Brooks,
Your opinion is of course priceless. I personally am leery of the
promotional materials distributed by this company, and can not help
but wonder whether these are an attempt to inflate the value of its
share prices, which perhaps are publicly traded.
Breathless claims of breakthr
It is good to hear a reliable anecdote about the Beck Protocol.
I got a message from the SOTA people some months back, saying they
would start a private list for persons wishing to share such anecdotes
and other information, but so far as I know, this list it not yet in
progress; there was
Regrettably, this is one of the most uncalled for and insulting replies
I have seen on this site. I hope to see no more like this one. This
list has many of the most polite and considerate correspondents on the
web, and we do not deserve such a splenetic posting, which itself is
based on fal
Interestingly, the term was also used to describe a certain state of
fetal development, at which time the fetus was thought to be truly
alive. I am not positive, but this may have corresponded with the
first felt movements in utero.
JBB
On Tuesday, May 31, 2005, at 20:35 Asia/Tokyo, Ode
A dentist in Japan replaced my amalgams with a substance he identified
as "Herculite." It is a brand of composite. I found it mentioned
here:
http://www.qualitydentistry.com/dental/terms.html
I have been quite satisfied. The appearance is much better, and the
material has proven quite du
List,
I just found this site. Worth a look.
http://www.geocities.com/longevityrpt/
JBB
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List,
This is interesting, well-written, and, in my view, accurate.
http://www.orgonelab.org/fda.htm
JBB
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Note that MDs in Brazil recently claimed a complete cure of a severe
diabetic, whose pancreas was restored to full function after the
transplant of adult stem cells taken from the man's own nostrils.I
do not have details as the report was very brief.More information
would be welcome.
More about the pancreas again. Harvard University has just announced
that it will carry out stem cell research with Tokyo University. One
aim is to restore damaged pancreases. This has been done in Brazil.
Bottom line: some kinds of diabetes may be fully curable in the
not-distant futu
Y. Omura, M.D., has convincing data to show that Chinese Parsely
(cilantro) effective chelates mercury from the body.
This method is cheap, easy, and delicious: eat cilantro. Make pesta!
Google "cilantro and mercury" or something like that and you will find
lots of information.
JBB
On
, 2005, at 10:38 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
Y. Omura, M.D., has convincing data to show that Chinese Parsely
(cilantro) effective chelates mercury from the body.
This method is cheap, easy, and delicious: eat cilantro. Make pesta!
Google "cilantro and mercury" or some
-
From: "Marshall Dudley"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Chelation for lead
As well as lead and aluminum.
You might find this interesting:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jedcline/cilantro.html
Marshall
"Jonathan B. Britten" wrote
. The full
report is on the Internet somewhere.
On Thursday, Jun 16, 2005, at 12:20 Asia/Tokyo,
wrote:
Breathing fumes (thru a mask) while melting and pouring lead diver's
weights. stupid--stupid---
From: "Jonathan B. Britten"
Date: 2005/06/15 Wed PM 11:07:05 EDT
strong, but
we had no protection. . . .
On Thursday, Jun 16, 2005, at 14:35 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
Live and learn, all of us.
NB the McDonalds mass killer, James Oliver Huberty, had been a welder;
post-mortem study reportedly found absolutely incomprehensible level
of
There is some useful info also on some of Vinny Pinto's pages.
Fermented turmeric may have additional potency.
JBB
On Friday, Jun 17, 2005, at 10:28 Asia/Tokyo, William Amos wrote:
Turmeric, the spice that gives curry its brilliant yellow color, may
help preserve your brilliance. A com
Note also that persons undertaking such alternative/complementary
therapeutic efforts are very likely to benefit from one of the various
forms of applied/neurological kinesiology, which is often wrongly
called "muscle testing." In fact the method is based on the
opening/closing of some kind
hange.
Chuck
This tagline is programming you in ways that may not be apparent for
months, or even years.
On 6/28/2005 9:23:19 PM, Jonathan B. Britten
(jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp) wrote:
Note also that persons undertaking such alternative/complementary
therapeutic efforts are very like
Experimenters with pure silver may be interested in Tracy's Stained
Glass Workshop.
This business has the lowest price on pure silver foil I could find
anywhere on the net.
25 sheets for fifty bucks; some places charge that much for a single
sheet of the same size.
Tracy verified from her
Just to make things easier for everyone regarding which end of the
magnet has beneficial effects:
This is from a useful, simply-written "Biomagnetic Handbook" by Wm.
Philpott M.D.:
"Methods for Correctly Identifying Magnetic Polarities"
Compass Method: When the compass needle (north-seekin
My children told me that in one area around Mount Fuji, the magnetic
compass goes completely haywire; this is something they learned in
junior high school science class.
I assume underground metallic magma plays havoc with the magnetic field
lines. If I recall their explanation, the compas
Life Extension Foundation operates on this principle, at least
partially, and supporting LEF may be one of the best ways to ensure
long-term availability of nutritional supplements. The FDA tried to
shut down LEF in 1981, but the company fought back and is still
thriving. One reason is th
A letter to the editor in today's newspaper (Daily Yomiuri) mentioned
a recent success in room-temperature fusion somewhere in California.
I wonder whether that's correct; seems it would be big news if so.
A quick Google did not turn up anything definitive; if anyone knows of
something new
empire would be one of the first blessings.
Those lucky few who identify the Microsoft of cold fusion
commercialization will of course become quite wealthy. But I assume
most research at this stage is non-commercial.
JBB
On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 14:39 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
See the latest edition of the Life Extension Foundation monthly
magazine for a good overview of the CODEX and potential ramifications
for the USA. It is balanced and informative. I think you can get
the magazine online.
On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 23:43 Asia/Tokyo, rose wrote:
hi l
empire would be one of the first
blessings.
Those lucky few who identify the Microsoft of cold fusion
commercialization will of course become quite wealthy. But I
assume
most research at this stage is non-commercial.
JBB
On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 14:39 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
if commercialized, would change the world so
radically we
can hardly comprehend the implications and ramifications. The
rapid
demise of the corrupt oil empire would be one of the first
blessings.
Those lucky few who identify the Microsoft of cold fusion
commercialization will of course become qui
List,
The link below suggests to me that EIS, if it has actions similar to
antibiotics, may reduce the risk of stomach cancer.
I note that several members have reported strong stomach pain upon
first using EIS; in my case the pain gradually dissipated over a
matter of days.This suggest
Coincidentally, I attempted to help my daughter with an infection at
the same place; the infection behind the right ear was becoming
chronic, and despite wonderful results with EIS with conjunctivitis and
other infections, it was very difficult to keep that particular area
covered with EIS.
Cindy,
I highly recommend to your son a book called Natural Hormonal
Enhancement. It is very educational, has excellent data on nutrition
and weightlifting, and includes a recipe for a low-cost fitness drink.
Google for this title and you can find a web page devoted to the book.
JBB
On
I had exactly the same experience with the SG6.
It illustrates the difficulty of cleaning the silver probes. I have
never gotten results as good as the very first batch, but the most
effective cleaning method I have found so far is to wipe the electrodes
after each use with a microfiber clot
Some members may enjoy this; it was educational to me.
http://www.essays.cc/free_essays/e4/dkt106.shtml
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:45 PM
Subject: CS>Essay on Reality
Some members may enjoy this; it was educational to me.
http://www.essays.cc/free_essays/e4/dkt106.shtml
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A young woman in Japan whom I knew attempted to help herself with FIR
using a home sauna. She had metastasized stomach cancer. She loosely
followed a protocol from Ireland involving FIR in conjunction with
spirulina. The
theory was that something in the this type of algae binds with cancer
An excellent article by Stephen Cha in the recent Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/
AR2005072202220.html
JBB
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Initially, it opened fine. I checked before I sent it.
Now it does not.
JBB
On Thursday, Jul 28, 2005, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Acmeair wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/
AR2005072202220.html
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slip through the first time. . . .
On Thursday, Jul 28, 2005, at 14:25 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
wrote:
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Did Natural Immunogenics take the trouble to write up any peer-reviewed
articles about your use of their product? What a great help that
would be to people with MS !
JBB
On Friday, Jul 29, 2005, at 11:55 Asia/Tokyo, Nancy DeLise wrote:
I'm not sure what it is, but I can tell you it is ver
I believe that one need not be rich or expensively educated to discover
important things. If you spend some time studying those things that
interest you, you may have a breakthrough.
Note that the creator of the periodic table of the elements, for
example, was "just" a high school chemistry
A friend who lives in Thailand asked me about Cancema for a worrisome
spot on his chest (probably BCG from his description.) The company
that made Cancema was destroyed by the FDA.
Someone once posted a link to a supplier of a similar salve, but
despite repeated efforts to contact the compan
Musical drills -- an innovation of symphonic proportions! The Chicago
Industrial Orchestra will be interested!
On Sunday, Aug 7, 2005, at 08:38 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:
My drills don't corrode inside, but the chords do fall apart.
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Thanks very much for this! If this is really the original formula, my
friend will be glad indeed.
Cancema is painful but it works phenomenally well. If Australia's
bureaucracy has had the good sense to authorize Cancema, good on them!
Skin cancer rates are very, very high Down U
I read yesterday that biologists have found bacteria ubiquitous in sea
water. No one had ever expected them to be common, but there may be as
many as 20,000 in a drop. When swimming one can not help but take
them into the body.Even the experts are learning new things daily.
On Wednesd
I had correspondence from centereforce; a representative Bevan Potter
me by e-mail that their Cancema salve is the original Greg
Caton/altcancer.com formula.
Thanks for this information.
On Tuesday, Aug 9, 2005, at 13:50 Asia/Tokyo, bbanever wrote:
I happen to know of a source for BCG
List members may be interested: a French doctor recently invented a
very low-cost mixture of soft peanut butter mixed with vitamins and
minerals; used in Nigeria and elsewhere is has nearly miraculous
benefits for severely malnourished babies, who love the stuff. Like
EIS, this product repr
baby
under a year old. It can cause an allergic reaction that can, and will
often kill them, even when they are an adult
Marshall
"Jonathan B. Britten" wrote:
List members may be interested: a French doctor recently invented a
very low-cost mixture of soft peanut butter mixed with vi
I think they start with a product called Nutella, or something very
similar to it. The processing of this foodstuff may eliminate the
risks associated with peanuts.
On Thursday, Aug 11, 2005, at 06:19 Asia/Tokyo, T J Garland wrote:
Peanuts (raw) contain a lot of mold ( Hulda Clark)
I believe that a double-blind study or dream activity would demonstrate
a direct and repeatable alteration of REM (dreaming) sleep, and EEG
activity, thereby suggesting if not proving crossing of the BBB.
On Thursday, Aug 11, 2005, at 21:05 Asia/Tokyo, marmar...@aol.com wrote:
In a message
Greg Caton of altcancer.com is, or at least was, a firebrand, too, and
ended up in jail as a result. But the business goes on; it is no
longer feasible to shut down the free flow of information.
Life Extension features a criticism of the FDA in almost every issue
of its monthly magazine.
Hi,
I believe I noticed this effect, but one anecdote is not of much value.
The effect was so strong, though, that I feel confident that it has
to be neurological.
You might try to see for yourself whether EIS alters your dreams. If
so, list members might be interested.
Some have said
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