RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
hahaha thank you dave! andy, you can like it and i wont think less of you! :) many (deaf!! :P) really good friends on here dig amp a lot too. i'm not consciously comparing it to anything. music stands on its own and so do opinions. my ears hear what they hear. it has elements of jazz, house, soul/rb, etc etc. a great combination it would seem, which is why i am/was interested. but it comes out terribly disappointing and uninspired and overly familiar _to my ears_. your mileage may vary and all that. it IS generic sounding _to me_ -- even if the combination of genres seems to defy that, the sounds themselves dont. somehow, my brain tells my ears i have heard it before -- even if the different sounds were never together in quite the same way before, i still recognize them and dont like them, on their own, together, either way. and in any case, if it was a generic record of sounds i liked...but i just plain dont like the sounds or vocals. coming at it as a jazz record or an rb record or a house record does not change how it sounds or how i hear it. if i tried to hear it as whatever unique new hybrid genre it may be i'd still hear the same thing. it does not have that much character, to me. nothing you're saying makes it sound any better, to me. enough people have already given amp props that i dont think you need to defend your opinion...but i am a potential fan of this music for stated reasons, and i was wayyy disappointed. enough said!! jt Yeah, I agree completely with JT's comments, as a long time jazz player and fan I notice that some of the jazzier things seem more hype to others on this list than to myself, and I think maybe it's because my background and jazz makes me a little harder to impress with releases that go in that directions. It's so easy to sound like noodly lounge music in this genre!!! Haven't heard the new amp fiddler record so I can't comment on that specifically. But, well I'll just keep my opinion on his cover of Too High to myself. ;) --Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar i just dont know what to say about this description of love and war. IMO nothing is generic about anything about it. perhaps the old quote he used in the lyrics is a little familiar, but i think that was the point. what lyrics?? i heard lovv and some scatting..?? quote? guess i need to listen again...? but i just dont even like his voice or his delivery..syruppy, too smooth not enough real feeling..to my ears! it's a subtle thing. i really dont see how any of this music is generic. but you know amp fiddler plays keys on at least one and probably more tracks on that album. if its fresh to you then great. not generic? well, i have heard thousands and thousands of jazz records. i sell them for a living. so maybe it's unfortunate but i dont hear anything but limp playing/ideas, heard it 1000 times before kinda stuff, as far as the jazz elements go. as far as his voice i hear a alot of rb classic vocalists distilled into something generic. its not amps fault his voice sounds the way it does but it doesnt grab me at all. i gotta say i am not very enthusiastic about the jazzy kdj stuff either, but usually it comes together better, progresses, etc etc so that it doesnt bug me and hits me better. it's a subtle thing. sometimes playing/singing this kind of cheese gets by with me, other times it makes me cringe and run to pick up the needle.. box, the amp dog knights, the detroit experiment LP with amp on a lot of the jazz on detroit experiment falls flat as well imo! sorry. i know at least a few people on here who are into jazz agree with me.. i much prefer russ gabriel's recent stuff. if he hooked up with a nice rb vocalist i think it could be in the same area as amp but blow him out of the water. if i wasnt extremely disappointed with it i wouldnt have said anything... jt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I didn't mean his comments specific to the record, but he ended with some general comments on his perspective as someone really versed in jazz. Detroit Experiment I was really only feeling a couple tracks, it seemed pretty cut and dried, like stuff that has already been done better by Herbie Hancock in the 70s which is a real pinnacle of music for me. Herbie is sick! I don't mean to knock the talent of any of those musicians on the Detroit Experiment btw, it is just an opinion. A song like Too High though which Amp Fiddler remade, well I wasn't feeling his voice and you better be damn fresh if you are going to remake a Stevie song. I wish they would have had Stevie sing on a remake of his song, now THAT would have got me excited! /dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:01 PM To: David Powers Cc: 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar Quoting David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, I agree completely with JT's comments, as a long time jazz player and fan I notice that some of the jazzier things seem more hype to others on this list than to myself, and I think maybe it's because my background and jazz makes me a little harder to impress with releases that go in that directions. It's so easy to sound like noodly lounge music in this genre!!! Haven't heard the new amp fiddler record so I can't comment on that specifically. But, well I'll just keep my opinion on his cover of Too High to myself. ;) --Dave How can you completley agree with JTs comments when he spent most of the post picking apart a record you havent listend to yet? Its easy to shrug ones shoulders and say there will always be generic music within any given genre, but to make or support a critical agrument about an album you havent heard yet is a bit presumptuous, wouldnt you say? Anyway... Is there Anyone else anxiously awaiting the new John Digweed epic trance remix of Eye to Eye? Talk about a superstar DJ with the ability to smash through genre borders with uncontested skill and dedication to the craft! -J
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy, you can like it and i wont think less of you! :) this is the second time recently that someone on this list has called me andy. whats up with that? my name is clearly tom (or thomas, depending on which parts of my email you look at). my friend is the andythepooh.com cat, i just like the free good webmail service. : P tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
-- Original Message -- From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also know very little about jazz compared to most, so maybe I don't have the same distaste as a more typical jazz head might. i think being too involved emotionally with any given style of music creates a distaste for certain sounds. when i was really into drum and bass, the left field style drum and bass didnt really appeal to me at all. neither did the second reprazent LP. now that im emotionally detatched from that, it seems what i can tolerate within that genre is much more varied. thats why i make no pledges of allegiance to any genres now, i just like it funky : ) I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. yeah, i really like that track alot as well. PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! thats what im saying. Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: ive been rocking that when i was working in the local hiphop record shop, its a nice album, good summertime music. tom andythepooh.com
(313) stevie [was RE: amp fiddler lovewar]
-- Original Message -- From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] you better be damn fresh if you are going to remake a Stevie song. have you heard madlib's white label LP of covers of stevie tunes? its f'n brilliant. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
Detroit Experiment I was really only feeling a couple tracks, it seemed pretty cut and dried, like stuff that has already been done better by Herbie Hancock in the 70s which is a real pinnacle of music for me. Herbie is sick! I am telling you Midnight at Twenty Grand is the cut!! Such a moody detroity soundtrack, I can imagine driving into the city to that one, or looking out a rooftop across the city on a warm night outside. BTW - Totally agree about Herbie... not trying to take anything away from him. But as a proponent of future music (esp. of the detroit flavor) I can't just sit back and say well that sound has been done better 30 years ago by someone else so why bother. I want people to keep pushing, I want to hear someone who'll in 30 more years have blown Herbie away... hey I know it's far fetched but you know what I mean. Once you have the Herbie moments on vinyl you need, there's plenty of places and trajectories he's launched forward... I want to seek out where those seeds landed and who is taking it forward... on the electronic tip especially. Ayro seems promising... So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Peace, Matt MacQueen
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
hahaha ok matt one last reply then.. to. It's funny you use jazz as a reference cause that's the last thing I would have likened it too. I like the songwriting. I would classify it as 'rb' or 'soul' before I would think of it as jazz, but wherever me too!! its just the jazz elements that irritate me the most, followed closely by the too-smooth rb elements...my comments on the jazziness were really msiunderstood i think...talk good me not do I also think when you take a mouthful of something and spit it out immediately (judging from your reaction that seemed to be the case?) You nahh i've had a lot of other amp stuff in digital for awhile, but just title tracks, thought i'd give a whole record a try... might have written it off wholesale without looking a little further. I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. haha yeah freakin would definitely be my favorite one...not saying much tho..its not that i think any of its so terrible, just does nada for me...and i guess i was just very disappointed after all my friends have been sayin such good stuff and seem to dig it so much.. I like the lyrics to love and war... didn't hear any scat myself. haha did i just have the volume too low?? was i trippin?? i'll definitely have to listen again aghh The keys playing I find interesting, moreso than the rhythms... the piano keys in 'love and war' I think are great and moody. Did you yuck! too nice, but this is a very subtle thing to me...he could make another song with similar keys and i'd like them. i still wouldnt think it was much special tho... listen to the electronic synth parts in freakin' ? Crazy analogue sounds and squiggles and synth farts, etc. It's just a fresh little summer jammy jam, I don't see anything generic in it.. the solo is nuts! nahhh...generic is being harsh i guess, but it all does really remind me of other things, and in any case, not doing it for me...i do like this kinda stuff, but not THIS stuff...i'm really not looking for an entirely different approach or anything at allit's just..so close, but so far..to me...y'know? has a lot of talent on the keys and I like the sound of his voice myself definitely very talented, and great voice -- just not for me, and awfully familiar on both counts there, to my ears...seriously, blame it on all the cheesey rb i listen to. it dominates the radio down here y'know -- if its not country, it's slowjams and rb. couple that with the fact i sell lame jazz records by the crate...my ears have been tainted :P i like crazier sh*t..more unique if i gotta put it that way but maybe that isnt fair The beats I think could be better compared to other elements of his productions, but we'll see what happens in the future... Maybe Amp just needs some $tinkworx beats to liven it up!! hahaha n dont say that!! i was disappointed by the beats because i like them when they start but then...they go nowhere...drop those sticks out for awhile in lovewar or something! or drop out everything but the sticks..i love em but damn..i got annoyed after a few measures... i really did want to like this stuff y'know..i dunno maybe it was all just too built up before i heard it...cant see ever loving it but maybe i should relax my expectations some... hope i wasnt too hard on ya either andy, probably, sorry man! thanks for trying to open my ears some.. PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! yeah, again dont get me wrong -- i actually like this album too, tho at the same time i end up a little disappointed with most songs individually, they bug me at some point...but i really enjoy listening to it and yeah it works really well as a whole..i bought it for both my parents even (they hip y'know :P) It seems to be the trendy thing now with a lot of techno heads to dislike where Carl is going on the jazz collective tip and I'm not havin it... music needs to expand, the detroit sound is way to wide to stay pegged in a single genre. I'm glad people are going for it. i dont mind the direction a bit! i think it'll get better and better... PS - Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: yeah i saw rolling stone kinda slammed it, 1 or 2 stars or something, but i love their stuff. se? its not that amp isnt my kinda thing, its just something subtle about it that makes..not doing it for me...i might really be digging some future stuff tho... i mean i call it generic, but so much music is these days, including a lot of music i love...new gangstarr is basically generic primo hiphop, but i dig it...i dont mean to be insulting when i say crap like that... jt
RE: (313) andy is tom
dammit!! so sorry about that! i just did it 2 or 3 times...i noticed that and you beat me before i could correct myself... its because when i hit reply, all i see is your email adress and it has a name in it..sorry tom.. jt -- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy, you can like it and i wont think less of you! :) this is the second time recently that someone on this list has called me andy. whats up with that? my name is clearly tom (or thomas, depending on which parts of my email you look at). my friend is the andythepooh.com cat, i just like the free good webmail service. : P tom andythepooh.com _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I really love Amp Fiddler because of the RB feel, I'm surprised you don't like it, but hey! ;) He's really won over the DJs here. I love his song with Only Child, U Got Vibes. Is Amp's album as Mr Fiddler, With Respect, on Elektra circa 1990 still available in the US? Isn't JT Justin Timberlake's 'hip-hop' nickname? Just playin'! ;) -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 9:34 AM hahaha ok matt one last reply then.. to. It's funny you use jazz as a reference cause that's the last thing I would have likened it too. I like the songwriting. I would classify it as 'rb' or 'soul' before I would think of it as jazz, but wherever me too!! its just the jazz elements that irritate me the most, followed closely by the too-smooth rb elements...my comments on the jazziness were really msiunderstood i think...talk good me not do I also think when you take a mouthful of something and spit it out immediately (judging from your reaction that seemed to be the case?) You nahh i've had a lot of other amp stuff in digital for awhile, but just title tracks, thought i'd give a whole record a try... might have written it off wholesale without looking a little further. I like Freakin, reminds me of a cut you'd hear coming out of someone's trunk at a BBQ in the summer, recalls a Fatback or SOS Band vibe almost. haha yeah freakin would definitely be my favorite one...not saying much tho..its not that i think any of its so terrible, just does nada for me...and i guess i was just very disappointed after all my friends have been sayin such good stuff and seem to dig it so much.. I like the lyrics to love and war... didn't hear any scat myself. haha did i just have the volume too low?? was i trippin?? i'll definitely have to listen again aghh The keys playing I find interesting, moreso than the rhythms... the piano keys in 'love and war' I think are great and moody. Did you yuck! too nice, but this is a very subtle thing to me...he could make another song with similar keys and i'd like them. i still wouldnt think it was much special tho... listen to the electronic synth parts in freakin' ? Crazy analogue sounds and squiggles and synth farts, etc. It's just a fresh little summer jammy jam, I don't see anything generic in it.. the solo is nuts! nahhh...generic is being harsh i guess, but it all does really remind me of other things, and in any case, not doing it for me...i do like this kinda stuff, but not THIS stuff...i'm really not looking for an entirely different approach or anything at allit's just..so close, but so far..to me...y'know? has a lot of talent on the keys and I like the sound of his voice myself definitely very talented, and great voice -- just not for me, and awfully familiar on both counts there, to my ears...seriously, blame it on all the cheesey rb i listen to. it dominates the radio down here y'know -- if its not country, it's slowjams and rb. couple that with the fact i sell lame jazz records by the crate...my ears have been tainted :P i like crazier sh*t..more unique if i gotta put it that way but maybe that isnt fair The beats I think could be better compared to other elements of his productions, but we'll see what happens in the future... Maybe Amp just needs some $tinkworx beats to liven it up!! hahaha n dont say that!! i was disappointed by the beats because i like them when they start but then...they go nowhere...drop those sticks out for awhile in lovewar or something! or drop out everything but the sticks..i love em but damn..i got annoyed after a few measures... i really did want to like this stuff y'know..i dunno maybe it was all just too built up before i heard it...cant see ever loving it but maybe i should relax my expectations some... hope i wasnt too hard on ya either andy, probably, sorry man! thanks for trying to open my ears some.. PS - I love Detroit Experiment as one of the whole greater than the sum of the parts thing, each track is a little different and the crazy influences do come out individually AND collectively (to me). Midnight at Twenty Grand!! yeah, again dont get me wrong -- i actually like this album too, tho at the same time i end up a little disappointed with most songs individually, they bug me at some point...but i really enjoy listening to it and yeah it works really well as a whole..i bought it for both my parents even (they hip y'know :P) It seems to be the trendy thing now with a lot of techno heads to dislike where Carl is going on the jazz collective tip and I'm not havin it... music needs to expand, the detroit sound is way to wide to stay pegged in a single genre. I'm glad people are going for it. i dont mind the direction a bit! i think it'll get better and better... PS - Speaking of... Now I gotta go drive to Dusty Groove and pick up the new Dwele LP: yeah i saw rolling stone
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I love his song with Only Child, U Got Vibes. i actually got this in mp3 and dig it too, couldnt figure out when it was from? i think i have some from that album too, but i didnt like most of em much...i dunno, maybe its just amp's voice that turns me off the most...either ya like it or ya dont, nothing to do with being good or not...y'know? and i like similar sounding vocalists, go figure... but minto knows my taste pretty damn good and says i'd dig the first amp a lot more, oh well... Isn't JT Justin Timberlake's 'hip-hop' nickname? Just playin'! ;) yeah thats me! i just got off my ab-roller, techno ladies hit me up with some emails ;) jt _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I love his song with Only Child, U Got Vibes. i actually got this in mp3 and dig it too, couldnt figure out when it was from? i think i have some from that album too, but i didnt like most of em much...i dunno, maybe its just amp's voice that turns me off the most...either ya like it or ya dont, nothing to do with being good or not...y'know? and i like similar sounding vocalists, go figure... It's from Only Child's new album Solitaire on Grand Central. Isn't JT Justin Timberlake's 'hip-hop' nickname? Just playin'! ;) yeah thats me! i just got off my ab-roller, techno ladies hit me up with some emails ;) Ha, ha, sprung bad... I don't think he's sexy at all. The others can have him. This is one cat fight I'm staying out of. ;)
(313) Lil' Louis
Does he DJ out much? I was trying to convince a house promoter here to do him.
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I'm stunned. I really can't believe anyone doesn't love this record. When I played it for my friend Ben, who doesn't really pay attention to anything electronic and is generally uninterested in it, I had to rip the headphones off his head. When I played it out a couple of weeks ago, one of my friends who fiercely hates vocals in house was cheering me on. It's useless for me to reiterate Tom (Andy ;)'s points, b/c I think he's said it all perfectly, but Dave, please give this a listen, b/c I wouldn't characterize anything about it as jazzy in anything more than the vaguest sense. It is pure funk. The keys that come in 1/2-way through are gorgeous. Perhaps they're simple, but they are as effective as anything Moodymann has ever done on his own and then some. The precise moment that they enter confirms the perfect arrangement of this record. I have heard it at least 50 times now, and every time that his keys come in I get a tingle in my spine. It does it for me in every way. J.T., we're really butting heads recently, aren't we. ;) Oh, and his live set was bar-none the best moment of the festival for me. Nothing else was even close - other than maybe Traxx @ Cannonball. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Portable
Not sure how much folks are paying attention to Background these days, but if you are, and get the chance to see Portable live, I highly recommend it. Seen him a few times in the last year, including tonight, and his sets are always wicked. He injects something primal into clicks 'n cuts. It's great. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) LFO are back!
On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. S. Poindexter Hieroglyphic Being: My Life As A Skinny Puppy and some of the Robert Hood are probably the only records I like this year. --- Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Rob Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: (313) LFO are back! morning all, some v.good news, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.warprecords.com. The long awaited new album from LFO is here. 'Sheath' is released on 22nd September 2003, preceded by a single in August that will make you 'Freak'. The tracks that he played off of this @ ATP were bloody brilliant. I've never agreed with SPW more. Wicked! Warp and LFO both getting back to what they do best. Or atleast, I wanted to run around naked after Mark Bell's set @ Camber Sands. I can't wait to do so for real. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Re: (313) LFO are back!
- Original Message - From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: Re: (313) LFO are back! On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) LFO are back!
There is no point in doing LFO again if they are not going to do LFO again(at least in a similar vein). If they are going to do something else then it would probably be a good idea to use a different moniker since LFO is so, well, LFO It would be like Hawtin using the Plastikman moniker to do FUSE stuff or vice-versa. On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan
(313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song.
Re: (313) Portable
Aha! I also just got back home from this (3.30am) - another deeply affecting set from Alan. I hadn't had a good dance for ages until tonight - still buzzing in fact! If anyone gets the chance to check him out do so without fail, his live sets have never dissapointed, as Tristan said, something primal about them that's irrestible. He's also releasing stuff on Sud as well as Background BTW. Any other 313ers present apart from Tristan? Dan. At 01:22 am +0100 7/7/03, Phonopsia wrote: Not sure how much folks are paying attention to Background these days, but if you are, and get the chance to see Portable live, I highly recommend it. Seen him a few times in the last year, including tonight, and his sets are always wicked. He injects something primal into clicks 'n cuts. It's great. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) new records
Some recommendations (some mentioned previously on this list) to start off your work week (all on vinyl): Gary Martin Summer EP (Flux UK) Vince Watson Aurelon (Re-shapes Vol. 2) (Bio UK) esp. Deetron reshape Rei Loci Faction (Seventh Sign UK) - don't forget Headspace 2003 Sampler Krom It All Makes Sense Now (Remixes) (Mikrolux Germany) Oliver Ho Sand Dune (Meta UK) Mr Velcro Fastener Thales of Miletos 2x12 (Zenit Germany) Isolee Can't Sleep All Night (Playhouse Germany) esp. Lost Polarius Winter In Polarius (Creme Organization Netherlands) Dennis DeSantis Clock Wise 2x12 (K2O Germany) John Tejada Arian Leviste Faifax Sake 2x12 (Playhouse Germany) Paul Mac Push Came To Shove 2x12 (Primate UK) Paul Mac Back Forth (Oliver Ho/ Vince Watson Rmxs) (Primate UK) Adam Beyer Ignition Key (Aril Brikha/ Speedy J Rmxs) (Truesoul Sweden) Everything from Detroit techno to minimal to tech house to electro. All are worth more than a quick listen. Also check out the new Derek Carr Destiny EP (Geek UK) and Ultradyne Age of Discontent (Pi Gao Movement US/ Netherlands) Orrin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: (313) new records I'm bored. Can anyone recommend anything new thats good? The only thing I've bought that was new in the last week or two is 1) New Frictional 12 (It's excellent, I really like it) 2) The M.O.U.T thing out of Holland (which I also really like) so, what's new folks? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Lil' Louis
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Does he DJ out much? I was trying to convince a house promoter here to do him. For money? Isn't that...illegal? peace lks
Re: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
IMHO Sextant is Herbie Hancock's best work although the LPs you mention are all excellent. On Sunday, Jul 6, 2003, at 21:57 America/Detroit, Ian wrote: On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song.
Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
I'm stunned. I really can't believe anyone doesn't love this record. When I alright, ok, i'm an idiot then! :P i listened to it again and gave it more of a chance...i must admit the lyrics are decent, dunno why i didnt notice them the first time, nice message yeah. i guess i only heard the things i didnt like -- the smoky horns, the very nice/typical keys (sorry, its just a scale! nicely played but too nice! loungey..spine tingling?? ookkk :P), and the vocal delivery in general (btw there are bits of scatting in there matt, not much but a little) to say its not jazzy is to ignore the smoky horns and loungey keys and scatty bits, but i agree lovewar isnt really very jazzy overall, or housey, or even that rb tho, its more like old soul because of the vocals...i really wanna like it, and now after being treated like a moron for not liking it, i almost cant help it :P it's very good but it just dont do much for me, even now that i feel stupid about it. the parts i dont like go a long ways towards turning me off to the whole thing. i dont like that loungey leaning sound (like dave mentioned..) and it's very _nice_ stuff -- there's no twist...too damn nice! i do like the dub better, didnt even listen to it the first time i played the record. the beat does drop to just sticks and has a lot more happening, nice snares etc etc. alright. i'll hold onto it a little while maybe it'll grow on me. i still just aint feeling amp's vocals either tho. very much like old soul but without any rough edges and sounding a bit overcooked...imo! t smooth and smoky. i bet he was great live without the studio smoothness. the record is all close but no cigar to me...i do like it more now that i hear what the lyrics are saying tho. i'll review some other stuff i really do like soon. so far out of an order of 30 records this is the only thing i'm not very happy with. jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
(313) for a price.
G-man - Beautiful - i220 - 2x12 Richie Hawtin Live @ MIXMAG - triple pack vinyl (just for the track Roman IV - Altes Testement - Ladomat?) Anyone?
Re: (313) Lil' Louis
i've only heard of him playing once in chicago (a really big deal) and once in detroit (not such a big deal- but a great party, mostly) On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Does he DJ out much? I was trying to convince a house promoter here to do him.
Re: (313) LFO are back!
It would be like Hawtin using the Plastikman moniker to do FUSE stuff or vice-versa. wait- there's a difference? ;) On a more serious note I hope this has those signature sub basslines and old school technoid flavor. It doesn't. He already did that album - what's wrong with just listening to that, if it's all you want? He's also done a few better albums since then. Tristan
RE: (313) derrick may tracks
Where these *ever* pressed seperately? Winter in the boulevard I remember everyone fussing abt when the pack was released as it seemed new ... but hey what do I know? ... Ok, don't answer that pls. k -Original Message- From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:42 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) derrick may tracks im looking for some ambient tracks of the Derrick May Innovator 5lp box set. i would like to get the originals because all the records in the box set were repressed in poor quality. heres the tracks im looking for: -THE END -WINTER IN THE BLVD anyone know where these ambient tracks were pressed originaly??? ryan burns _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) time difference
Ian wrote: Detroit = EST. EST (GMT-0500) or EDT (GMT-0400), depending on the time of year. EDT right now. http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/
(313) An Electro Mix....
http://www.acidmixes.com/electro.mp3 Aphex Twin - On - Warp Acid Jesus - Interstate - Klang Sterac - Hydroxy - 100% Pure Anthony Rother - Sex with the Machines - Kanzleramt Department of Dance - The Statement ep - Junkfood Audio Tech - I'm Your Audio Tech - Express Sensorama - Welcome Insel - Ladomat 2000 ? White label with 2 printed blue 'm's on it.. Third Electric - 1.9.8.3 - Electrecord Anthony Rother - Red Light District - Elektrolux Frankie Bones - My Silver Box - Electric Music Works Jark Prongo - K-ucci - Fresh Fruit Soul Sonic Force - Planet Rock - Tommy Boy Anthony Rother - Destro them my Robots - Plasmek Enjoy
Re: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
My favourites: Empyrean Isles is far better than Maiden Voyage. The Prisoner Speak Like A Child are gorgeous, layered post bop lps. The Japanese only Dedication for the fantastic solo Nobu - and of the later electronic ones, my pick would be Sextant. Though all of Sextant, Mwandishi and Crossings are essential. I prefer this stuff to Headhunters and later. Saying that, most later albums have some track that makes it all worthwhile. If you can track them down, pick up the 12s of Stars In Your Eyes (promo for the extended mix) and Magic Number. There was a really tedious South Bank show (UK ITV) on Herbie Hancock last week. It didn't encourage me to run and grab his recent stuff. Jonny - Original Message - From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar) On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song.
Re: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
herbie hancock 'dedication' [sony japan] features the track 'nobu', LIVE techno recorded in 1974 or something. i've read loads of possitive things about another japan only live release, think it's called 'flood', there's some nice things on there. 'sextant' is great, you can play games with it too; 'spot the sample'. 'thrust' is in the same veign as 'sextant', and so is 'mwandisi'. carl craig lifted a sample off 'sunlight' for one of his 69 releases. oh, and anyone know if 'the prisoner' [blue note] is a must have? saw a top 5 list of madlib's favorite blue note records, and it's placed second. i allready picked up his number one 'blacks and blues' by bobbi humphrey, and i love it! oh, and i was playing 'fat albert rotunda' last night, another 'spot the sample'-record; 'tell me a bedtime story' off that album is a favorite of mine. jurren _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: (313) Herbie H
BTW - Totally agree about Herbie... not trying to take anything away from him. But as a proponent of future music (esp. of the detroit flavor) I can't just sit back and say well that sound has been done better 30 years ago by someone else so why bother. I want people to keep pushing, I want to hear someone who'll in 30 more years have blown Herbie away... hey I know it's far fetched but you know what I mean. Once you have the Herbie moments on vinyl you need, there's plenty of places and trajectories he's launched forward... I want to seek out where those seeds landed and who is taking it forward... on the electronic tip especially. Ayro seems promising... Talking of Herbie - did anyone in the UK see the 'South Bank Show' last Sunday? They did a special on him. Loads of wicked old footage of him in the 70's/80's. Lots of interesting insights too. I've got a few Herbie H LP's and 12's. Although I tend to find myself liking the LP's that he did that weren't necessarily trad jazz lps. He said in the documentary that every so often he does a project thats 'now' and deliberately goes out to make an LP with a particular sound as opposed to something he might do that he feels is him. I think the Sunlight LP (which I really like) was his take on disco etc etc, and then other LP's for diff. genres e.g. Headhunters for funk etc. I also like the LP with Magic Number on - something windows its called. I dunno, I know nothing about jazz. I have a few Miles Davis LPs, some Pharoh Sanders stuff and that, but I've never been able to find much more stuff that I'm really enthusistic about (mainly because I don't even know what to look for). 'In a Silent way' is something I like... Maybe JT can recommend some stuff for us for the list? or anyone else? top 5 jazz lp's to find that we might like?? would be interested to know. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) herbie H
ha! I just saw Jonnys opinion of the south bank show!! It was a bit ploddy, but I suppose its always like that - its the 'British Arts Institution' show I guess. But yeah, totally agree about the fact that it didn't make me want to go out and buy his new stuff. But, the old footage was cool Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
I read an interview with HH sometime ago and he said(in so many words) that most people werent into Sextant, it was too heady for them and so he made Headhunters to please the crowd. It amazes me though that Hancock is so brilliant at both heady and crowd pleasing music. I imagine if he went out to make crap he would do a bloody good job of it :P On Monday, Jul 7, 2003, at 05:39 America/Detroit, jurren baars wrote: herbie hancock 'dedication' [sony japan] features the track 'nobu', LIVE techno recorded in 1974 or something. i've read loads of possitive things about another japan only live release, think it's called 'flood', there's some nice things on there. 'sextant' is great, you can play games with it too; 'spot the sample'. 'thrust' is in the same veign as 'sextant', and so is 'mwandisi'. carl craig lifted a sample off 'sunlight' for one of his 69 releases. oh, and anyone know if 'the prisoner' [blue note] is a must have? saw a top 5 list of madlib's favorite blue note records, and it's placed second. i allready picked up his number one 'blacks and blues' by bobbi humphrey, and i love it! oh, and i was playing 'fat albert rotunda' last night, another 'spot the sample'-record; 'tell me a bedtime story' off that album is a favorite of mine. jurren _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) Herbie H
Talking of Herbie - did anyone in the UK see the 'South Bank Show' last Sunday? They did a special on him. Loads of wicked old footage of him in the 70's/80's. Lots of interesting insights too. Hee hee. I don't like biographical type documentaries. I'd rather they got into the technical stuff, the problems they faced etc. Even if you know nothing in advance you learn something, and some of the enthusiasm rubs off. I saw a fantastic documentary on Mark Morris, the choreographer. Usually I'd put dance on a par with Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals but not after seeing that. Jurren: Flood is good, especially the cover art! Check with Nick the Record, I think he has one on sale. Hit me off list if you want. Maybe JT can recommend some stuff for us for the list? or anyone else? top 5 jazz lp's to find that we might like?? would be interested to know. Personally, I'll stick to Blue Note and suggest, as well as those Herbie Hancock LPs: Joe Henderson's Page One Kenny Dorham's Una Mas Bobby Hutcherson's Patterns Eric Dolphy Out To Lunch! Pete LaRoca Basra That's nowhere near enough! J
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Joe Henderson's Page One Kenny Dorham's Una Mas Bobby Hutcherson's Patterns Eric Dolphy Out To Lunch! Pete LaRoca Basra Nice one Jonny - thats what I was looking for. I got the Eric Dolphy - forgot to say - I'll have to pull that out, not listened to it in a while. I like it though, its pretty mad. That's nowhere near enough! carry on then.! P.S. did you check the re-edit of secret friend? worth getting? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) Subject: Donna Summer - I feel dub (was: Good girls)
is someone know where i can buy the glen undreground/ dj sneak (?) mix bootleg of midnight express chase with donna summer i fell love ? There's a Sneak remix of 'The Chase', I got mine from Hard To Find Records. There's also a bootleg of Donna Summer called 'I Feel Dub' - can't remember where I got that (sorry.) Can someone clarify whether the I feel dub is made by Glen Underground or somebody else? I wasn't too impressed by the Sneak mix of the Chase, but it did have a Paul Oakenfold mix on the other side (if I remember rightly) so it must sound pretty stunning next to that! There are at least two pressings of the Glen Underground Donna Summer remix - the more recent one has 3 versions that seem quite similar - I got mine from Hardwax 2-3 years back but it seems to be out of print these days. I have an older pressing which has the long version on one side and a pretty hard track on the flip with lots of filter effects and a long sample of Samuel L Jackson doing that Bible quote in Pulp Fiction - no idea whether it is also Glen Underground but its a great track in its own right... As for Giorgio Moroder's The Chase, my recommendation to check would be the Danny Tenaglia mix - it goes very nicely alongside the GU track! Cheers David
Re: (313) Herbie H
Check out Sun Ra (Out To Lunch is brilliant, pick that up if you get the chance) That's nowhere near enough! carry on then.! P.S. did you check the re-edit of secret friend? worth getting? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Subject: Donna Summer - I feel dub (was: Good girls)
I wasn't too impressed by the Sneak mix of the Chase, but it did have a Paul Oakenfold mix on the other side (if I remember rightly) so it must sound pretty stunning next to that! Jam Spoon to be precise! Never play that side. The Sneak remix is OK but not really worth the effort it would be to hunt it down. David Hampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/07/2003 11:38:46 To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: (313) Subject: Donna Summer - I feel dub (was: Good girls) is someone know where i can buy the glen undreground/ dj sneak (?) mix bootleg of midnight express chase with donna summer i fell love ? There's a Sneak remix of 'The Chase', I got mine from Hard To Find Records. There's also a bootleg of Donna Summer called 'I Feel Dub' - can't remember where I got that (sorry.) Can someone clarify whether the I feel dub is made by Glen Underground or somebody else? I wasn't too impressed by the Sneak mix of the Chase, but it did have a Paul Oakenfold mix on the other side (if I remember rightly) so it must sound pretty stunning next to that! There are at least two pressings of the Glen Underground Donna Summer remix - the more recent one has 3 versions that seem quite similar - I got mine from Hardwax 2-3 years back but it seems to be out of print these days. I have an older pressing which has the long version on one side and a pretty hard track on the flip with lots of filter effects and a long sample of Samuel L Jackson doing that Bible quote in Pulp Fiction - no idea whether it is also Glen Underground but its a great track in its own right... As for Giorgio Moroder's The Chase, my recommendation to check would be the Danny Tenaglia mix - it goes very nicely alongside the GU track! Cheers David
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
YUCK! i checked it in realaudio before ordering and assumed it went somewhere that the clip wasnt long enough to tell me but no...beautiful cover artwork, lame lame music. sappy, bland jazz touches that make marian It's news to me if it was meant to be any more jazzy than your average Detroit mid-tempo house fayre. Trust me, 'Freaky' on a comparitive basis is flippin' wicked as RnB! (But it does remind me of D'Angelo though!) Really though what strikes me most about some of the criticisms of this record is that they appear to be out of proportion relative to both its strengths *and* its weaknesses! Is something else going on here!?! k
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
Really though what strikes me most about some of the criticisms of this record is that they appear to be out of proportion relative to both its strengths *and* its weaknesses! Is something else going on here!?! true! well said..nothing going on tho, and i'm lightening up and enjoying it more for what it is now (thanks tom matt)...my criticisms probably usually come off as out of proportion and agro but its just me being a picky opinionated mofo, please dont take me too seriously i say all this crap with a big smirk...dont mean anything by it..just way opinionated about some things...the only thing i got against amp is that it comes so close to the sort of music i wanna hear but lets me down with the longey elements and the vocals etc etc..it's still great stuff just wasnt quite what i was hoping for and made me frustrated with my friends for propping it so much :P..i thought it was worth discussing, but everyone but me seems to love it very much... btw nice reviews on the new bleep43 ken :) but i am gonna be PISSED if i pick that stuff up and it lets me down!!! haha jk!! jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
OK, well after all this talk, I'm gonna have to d/l this and see what I think. Of course if I like it, I will buy it. Money's just too dear to purchase things unheard these days. /Dave -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:20 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar I'm stunned. I really can't believe anyone doesn't love this record. When I played it for my friend Ben, who doesn't really pay attention to anything electronic and is generally uninterested in it, I had to rip the headphones off his head. When I played it out a couple of weeks ago, one of my friends who fiercely hates vocals in house was cheering me on. It's useless for me to reiterate Tom (Andy ;)'s points, b/c I think he's said it all perfectly, but Dave, please give this a listen, b/c I wouldn't characterize anything about it as jazzy in anything more than the vaguest sense. It is pure funk. The keys that come in 1/2-way through are gorgeous. Perhaps they're simple, but they are as effective as anything Moodymann has ever done on his own and then some. The precise moment that they enter confirms the perfect arrangement of this record. I have heard it at least 50 times now, and every time that his keys come in I get a tingle in my spine. It does it for me in every way. J.T., we're really butting heads recently, aren't we. ;) Oh, and his live set was bar-none the best moment of the festival for me. Nothing else was even close - other than maybe Traxx @ Cannonball. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Richie's hair was (313) Richie Hawtin in Toronto June 3 0
He bandged it out in nyc for the muscle 'headz' on sat night, but played more concept type stuff from 5-8am, lots of volume fading and edits played from his laptop. He also has those extra knobs on the xone:62 mixer of his. Magda played before him and dropped some new tracks that local nyc producers have made, but the track that did it for me was the new plastikman stuff... I was in the booth at the time when she dropped it and everyone stopped what they were doing and looked at one another, jaws down to the floor... Really cool stuff. I heard clark drop lots of brinkman and the original freakbox in the back. Cool night. -Pete -Original Message- From: LR T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:20 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Richie's hair was (313) Richie Hawtin in Toronto June 30 Saw Richie last night in Baltimore. I had heard that he was growing out his hair but OH MY GOD, I didn't expect a full head of hair cut in a sort of geeky 1960's clean cut boy next door style. This was the first time I have seen him playing a set that wasn't an all out heavy banging till your head and chest hurt. Much more minimal and almost quiet, more of a head nodding than dancing set. From: Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Erin Berg (WPL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: (313) Richie Hawtin in Toronto June 30 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:34:59 -0700 _not_ _his_ _party_. i've seen him at megarave events where there were giant inflatable animals hanging from the ceiling. he played some candy rave thing in texas last year where there were carnival rides. seriously. as to whether he can veto these things: no. being who he is he'll probably have some degree of influence, but he's a contractor in these circumstances, not the guy in charge. maybe the fact that the control series of parties -- which originated in detroit, were 100% his events, and therefore completely under his creative control -- has morphed into a portable performance technique with the same name is what's tripping you up. don't expect to see a 'richie' party just because he's there, unless it's been put on by Minus. and more than likely, is taking place in detroit. On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 12:06 PM, Erin Berg (WPL) wrote: Ha _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
what strikes me most about some of the criticisms of this record is that they appear to be out of proportion relative to both its strengths *and* its weaknesses! Is something else going on here!?! Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. I like the record but if someone (else whose opinion on music I respect A LOT, by the way) DOESN'T like it, I'm not going to think it's for some dark and mysterious ulterior motive... some records just hit different people differently! SHeesh folks... --this horse is officially nearing it's beaten-to-death phase-- Peace, Matt MacQueen
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
my criticisms probably usually come off as out of proportion and agro actually I felt the tone was more like a couple of headz sitting around a record store dropping needles on stuff and just BS'ing about the releases and relative hype or substance of various stuff, I thought it was funny :) just me being a picky opinionated mofo, please dont take me too seriously i say all this crap with a big smirk...dont mean anything by it..just way opinionated about some things... and we wouldn't have it any other way! Stop apologizing for it JT.. opinions challenge assumptions and this has been a good thread! It's drawn out a lot of good discussions about the merits and shortcomings of said record! nice reviews on the new bleep43 ken :) but i am gonna be PISSED if i pick that stuff up and it lets me down!!! haha jk!! LOL! Yeah are reviewers now have to offer you'll like this or your money back guarnteed!? And if you like that, get the extra Ginsu Steak Knife set for only 3 easy payments of $9.99... Peace, Matt MacQueen
RE: (313) amp fiddler lovewar
Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. Isn't there?!? ;-) Sorry, I didn't express myself as flippantly as I was feeling abt it evidently. k
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. ahh no, it's alright! i understand i seem a little over the top.. --this horse is officially nearing it's beaten-to-death phase-- yep is time for the glue factory... i DO really love the club sodade: cesaria evora remix pack! another beautiful record cover (wow)... i guess my favorites are the obvious ones, chateau flight, cc, pepe, 4 hero, francois k...but i was pleasantly surprised to really dig the kerri chandler mixes, and it's still growing on me but the osunlade is real stripped down and pretty cool too. the dj rork and demon ritchie (who?) and cris prolific mixes arent too special imo, and seem a little bit redundant after the great other mixes which are similar but better but damn..hard to go wrong with such dope vocals and source material...i dunno if its so great as a remix ALBUM but its great as a remix collection...oh i dunno about besame mucho tho, the senor coconut...haha! besamm...do da do...hey what nationality/language is the source stuff anyways? portuguese? or somewhere in africa? (see details in the credits which point to both..)...loveelllyyy!! my kinda summer music.. jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
Cesaria Evora is Brazilian what nationality/language is the source stuff anyways? portuguese? or somewhere in africa? (see details in the credits which point to both..)...loveelllyyy!! my kinda summer music.. jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
portuguese.cesaria evoria is form cabo verde, a small arcipelago of islands off the coast of western africa, a former poruguese colony http://www.cesaria-evora.com/uk/ind_home.html besos fab - Original Message - From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. ahh no, it's alright! i understand i seem a little over the top.. --this horse is officially nearing it's beaten-to-death phase-- yep is time for the glue factory... i DO really love the club sodade: cesaria evora remix pack! another beautiful record cover (wow)... i guess my favorites are the obvious ones, chateau flight, cc, pepe, 4 hero, francois k...but i was pleasantly surprised to really dig the kerri chandler mixes, and it's still growing on me but the osunlade is real stripped down and pretty cool too. the dj rork and demon ritchie (who?) and cris prolific mixes arent too special imo, and seem a little bit redundant after the great other mixes which are similar but better but damn..hard to go wrong with such dope vocals and source material...i dunno if its so great as a remix ALBUM but its great as a remix collection...oh i dunno about besame mucho tho, the senor coconut...haha! besamm...do da do...hey what nationality/language is the source stuff anyways? portuguese? or somewhere in africa? (see details in the credits which point to both..)...loveelllyyy!! my kinda summer music.. jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
Ooops. Could have sworn she was Brazilian - when I worked for V-- Megacorp, we always stuck her CDs in the Brazilian section - I think she must have worked with Brazilian arrangers/producers then. -Original Message- From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:56 PM To: J. T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) portuguese.cesaria evoria is form cabo verde, a small arcipelago of islands off the coast of western africa, a former poruguese colony http://www.cesaria-evora.com/uk/ind_home.html besos fab - Original Message - From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind everything ? That last line is out of order. ahh no, it's alright! i understand i seem a little over the top.. --this horse is officially nearing it's beaten-to-death phase-- yep is time for the glue factory... i DO really love the club sodade: cesaria evora remix pack! another beautiful record cover (wow)... i guess my favorites are the obvious ones, chateau flight, cc, pepe, 4 hero, francois k...but i was pleasantly surprised to really dig the kerri chandler mixes, and it's still growing on me but the osunlade is real stripped down and pretty cool too. the dj rork and demon ritchie (who?) and cris prolific mixes arent too special imo, and seem a little bit redundant after the great other mixes which are similar but better but damn..hard to go wrong with such dope vocals and source material...i dunno if its so great as a remix ALBUM but its great as a remix collection...oh i dunno about besame mucho tho, the senor coconut...haha! besamm...do da do...hey what nationality/language is the source stuff anyways? portuguese? or somewhere in africa? (see details in the credits which point to both..)...loveelllyyy!! my kinda summer music.. jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
brazillian |-Original Message- |From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 07 July 2003 17:02 |To: Fabrizio Nahum; J. T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) | | |Ooops. Could have sworn she was Brazilian - when I worked for |V-- Megacorp, we always stuck her CDs in the Brazilian |section - I think she must have worked with Brazilian |arrangers/producers then. | |-Original Message- |From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:56 PM |To: J. T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: Re: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) | | |portuguese.cesaria evoria is form cabo verde, a small |arcipelago of islands off the coast of western africa, a |former poruguese colony | |http://www.cesaria-evora.com/uk/ind_home.html | |besos |fab |- Original Message - |From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org |Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:48 PM |Subject: RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) | | | Oh god Ken, why does there always have to be a conspiracy behind | everything ? That last line is out of order. | | ahh no, it's alright! i understand i seem a little over the top.. | | --this horse is officially nearing it's beaten-to-death phase-- | | yep is time for the glue factory... | | i DO really love the club sodade: cesaria evora remix pack! another | beautiful record cover (wow)... i guess my favorites are the obvious | ones, chateau flight, cc, pepe, 4 |hero, | francois k...but i was pleasantly surprised to really dig the kerri |chandler | mixes, and it's still growing on me but the osunlade is real |stripped | down and pretty cool too. the dj rork and demon ritchie (who?) and | cris prolific mixes arent too special imo, and seem a little bit | redundant |after | the great other mixes which are similar but better but damn..hard to | go wrong with such dope vocals and source material...i dunno |if its so | great |as | a remix ALBUM but its great as a remix collection...oh i dunno about |besame | mucho tho, the senor coconut...haha! besamm...do da | do...hey what nationality/language is the source stuff anyways? | portuguese? or somewhere in africa? (see details in the |credits which | point to both..)...loveelllyyy!! my kinda summer music.. | | jt | | _ | Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. | http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail | | | |### |## |Note: | |Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do |not necessarily represent |those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless |specifically stated. This email |and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely |for the use of the |individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have |received this email in |error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Thank You. |### |## |
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
Cesaria Evora is Brazilian. Really? I don't know C Evoria's nationality. But Angola was a colony of Portugal until 1974 (?) 'Brazilian' language is more accurately a dialect of Portuguese. Official language of Angola is Portuguese: http://www.celestia.co.uk/wexas/p4_angola.htm k -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:50 PM To: J. T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) Cesaria Evora is Brazilian what nationality/language is the source stuff anyways? portuguese? or somewhere in africa? (see details in the credits which point to both..)...loveelllyyy!! my kinda summer music.. jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
Did someone say there were more 12s coming in this project? Or that some of the double pack might be released in single EP format? Just that whilst nice as they are, I'd love a whole-side pressing of some of those, especially the Kerri Chandler mix ... k
Re: (313) The message in Herbie's LPs (was Re: (313) amp fiddler lovewar)
i dont really like much of future shock, though i have a couple different 12 versions of rockit and the whole LP on vinyl, i wouldnt call it a standout. his stuff with miles was much better. and for a solo LP, i always play the lead track off of thrust when i deejay funky sh*t, it always goes over well. that whole album is like a spacier version of headhunters. tom -- Original Message -- From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:57:00 -0400 On 7/6/03 7:28 PM, Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you jazz fans, how about the top 3-5 must have Herbie Hancock LPs or moments ? Commentary encouraged. Maiden Voyage is a standout LP and track. Sublime mid 60s jazz exploration. The classic Dolphin Dance bookends the album. Head Hunters is the next must have. So completely influenced by 60s soul, and so influential on 70s funk and jazz. You know the bassline for Chameleon by heart even if you don't recognize the title. Trippy synth solos abound. I heard Sunlight on a Shake or CC mix and had to track down the 1977 release. Commercial, mildly funky, and so loaded with antique gear it'll make your head spin. Warning: vocoder in FULL effect. Most people point to Rockit from Future Shock next. An electro classic that's flat-out over-exposed right now. I haven't really listened to his last two releases enough to find favorite moments. That doesn't mean they aren't lurking in there. -- im P.S. Get a hold of Sound-System just to hear People are Changing. It's a cover of a brilliantly funky Timmy Thomas song. andythepooh.com
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
I don't know C Evoria's nationality. But Angola was a colony of Portugal until 1974 (?) haha ok i m feeling stupid for not assuming she was angolan given the song titled angola but ya never know... Official language of Angola is Portuguese: but i assume this stuff is a dialect, as it has words like nho which are not portuguese..lovely...kinda like kemit sources who i guess have roots in french-speaking africa, but sing in a mixed french-african dialect...ahhh is lovely stuff anyways. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
Ken, I could well be wrong but I think the Kerri Chandler mixes were done on a seperate 12 too.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Herbie H
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dunno, I know nothing about jazz. I have a few Miles Davis LPs, some Pharoh Sanders stuff and that, but I've never been able to find much more stuff that I'm really enthusistic about (mainly because I don't even know what to look for). if you like sanders, you should definitely get coltrane's a love supreme and meditations both of which feature pharoh heavily and are awesome records. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
I could well be wrong but I think the Kerri Chandler mixes were done on a separate 12 too.. __ yeah what is the deal with the separate 12... did it come out as a preview to the 2xLP or after, or what? What is different on it than the 2xLP, etc. Does anyone actually have both? Are there plans for any more? Cheers, Matt MacQueen
RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
there is a seperate 12 (thought there was) if you go here http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/ and enter 'Kerri Chandler' in the search bit, it pops up as about the 4th thing on the list. not too sure about any other details. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
The 12 features both Kerri mixes on the 2x12 - they might slightly differ - plus instrumental and beats mixes of both. 3 tracks on each side, which isn't so great. But if, like me, you're only after those mixes and have already grabbed the Pepe Bradock ones then it's better value than the LP. - Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar) I could well be wrong but I think the Kerri Chandler mixes were done on a separate 12 too.. __ yeah what is the deal with the separate 12... did it come out as a preview to the 2xLP or after, or what? What is different on it than the 2xLP, etc. Does anyone actually have both? Are there plans for any more? Cheers, Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) club sodade
The 12 features both Kerri mixes on the 2x12 - they might slightly differ - plus instrumental and beats mixes of both. 3 tracks on each side, which isn't so great. But if, like me, you're only after those mixes and have already grabbed the Pepe Bradock ones then it's better value than the LP. is the cc mix on the same 12 with the pepe mixes? it is, isnt it? what about the chateau flight? is that LP only? shame if so... yeah the LP was muy expensivo, a couple friends are gonna want this stuff so i'll point them to the seperate 12s...do they have nice covers too? just curious, the LP cover is so nice (but not worth an extra $10!) jt _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) Herbie H
also look into McCoy Tyner - pianist with Coltrance I've got Extensions by Tyner which has a great line-up of Alice Coltrane on harp (wife of John), Elvin Jones on drums, Wayne Shorter and Gary Bartz on sax, and Ron Carter on bass . however, if you want to hear one, if not the greatest trumpet player look for Clifford Brown - if he had lived longer he might very well have eclipsed Miles Davis. MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: h.com Subject: RE: (313) Herbie H 07/07/03 10:26 AM Please respond to death -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dunno, I know nothing about jazz. I have a few Miles Davis LPs, some Pharoh Sanders stuff and that, but I've never been able to find much more stuff that I'm really enthusistic about (mainly because I don't even know what to look for). if you like sanders, you should definitely get coltrane's a love supreme and meditations both of which feature pharoh heavily and are awesome records. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) club sodade
The 12 features both Kerri mixes on the 2x12 - they might slightly differ - plus instrumental and beats mixes of both. 3 tracks on each side, which isn't so great. But if, like me, you're only after those mixes and have already grabbed the Pepe Bradock ones then it's better value than the LP. is the cc mix on the same 12 with the pepe mixes? it is, isnt it? what about the chateau flight? is that LP only? shame if so... yeah the LP was muy expensivo, a couple friends are gonna want this stuff so i'll point them to the seperate 12s...do they have nice covers too? just curious, the LP cover is so nice (but not worth an extra $10!) Yep, CC + Pepe Bradock. The FK remix came out about 5 or 6 years ago, too. Beyond that everything is exclusive to the LP, AFAIK.
Re: (313) Herbie H
Maybe JT can recommend some stuff for us for the list? or anyone else? top 5 jazz lp's to find that we might like?? would be interested to know. Personally, I'll stick to Blue Note and suggest, as well as those Herbie Hancock LPs: Joe Henderson's Page One Kenny Dorham's Una Mas Bobby Hutcherson's Patterns Eric Dolphy Out To Lunch! Pete LaRoca Basra jonny, if i didn't know any better, i'd say you're a joe henderson fan ;^) i recommend checking kirk detroitio's hall of fame @ http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com he points quite a couple of records out, and even describes them, so you've got a vague idea what you're buying. and even if kirk's favorites turn out not to be your personal favorites, they'll help you find what you're looking for. as that's always been my main problem: where to start? oh, and when digging for unknown artists; always go for the funky looking bands, and guys with beards, you'll never fail ;^) jurren _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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there is a compilation of herbie's warner bros. years that absolutely changed my life. http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/cd/review.asp?aid=11028 i listened in awe as my ideas of what music could be totally exploded. never gets old. yummy. on 7/7/03 12:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also look into McCoy Tyner... i like this album a lot... http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS80307071313sql=An7jqeat24x a7 shake, i'll hit you up soon! okaybyebye jph
(313) Late jazz?
i like this album a lot... http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS80307071313sql=An7jqeat24x a7 shake, i'll hit you up soon! okaybyebye I was going to ask if anyone had any strong recommendations on jazz from after the 70s. Andrew Hill's album from 2002, Dusk, is a firm favourite of mine - I'm listening to it for about the 200th time as I type. It isn't Marsalis style classic jazz, it isn't noisy art made for Wire readers, it's just ace. Much like Joe Henderson (yes OK, Jurren so what? ;) Andrew Hill just focused on his own musical personality, without caring much for fashion. That's a good signal that Here-lies-great-music if you ask me. Anyone else got some hot late jazz tips? Dusk: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS70305161434sql=Aexg9keztaq7q
Re: (313) Herbie H
On Monday 07 July 2003 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe JT can recommend some stuff for us for the list? or anyone else? top 5 jazz lp's to find that we might like?? Top 5 jazz LPs I like: 1) Pharoah Sanders: Journey To The One 2) Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage 3) Sun Ra: Lanquidity 4) Alice Coltran: Journey In Satchidananda 5) Doug Hammond, David Durrah, Otis Harris et al.: Reflections In The Sea Of Nurnen Cheers, Michel
Re: (313) club sodade
- Original Message - From: Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: Re: (313) club sodade The 12 features both Kerri mixes on the 2x12 - they might slightly differ - plus instrumental and beats mixes of both. 3 tracks on each side, which isn't so great. But if, like me, you're only after those mixes and have already grabbed the Pepe Bradock ones then it's better value than the LP. is the cc mix on the same 12 with the pepe mixes? it is, isnt it? what about the chateau flight? is that LP only? shame if so... yeah the LP was muy expensivo, a couple friends are gonna want this stuff so i'll point them to the seperate 12s...do they have nice covers too? just curious, the LP cover is so nice (but not worth an extra $10!) Yep, CC + Pepe Bradock. The FK remix came out about 5 or 6 years ago, too. Beyond that everything is exclusive to the LP, AFAIK. I just heard the FK and Joe Clausell one the other day. It was a bit bland and noodly IMHO. If anyone's hunting it down, they have a copy @ Apple Records in Croydon (UK), and they do mail order. There is a Kerri Chandler remix 12 with 5 versions that came out a week or two before the album. Had I known the album was coming out, I would've waited, although the Alternate version on the 12 is better than the album version (also IMHO ;), but not a whole lot different really. Other than the Pepe and C2 remixes, the Senor Coconut version on the album is pretty cool, and I think I liked the new FK version. Only scanned the album once so far though, so these reviews are subject to revision. ;) Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Late jazz?
On the contemporary jazz tip (sort of) I can highly recommend the new HiM album on Fatcat: http://www.fat-cat.co.uk/?id=14section=2 It's absolutley gorgeous. Dan. At 06:40 pm +0100 7/7/03, Jonny McIntosh wrote: i like this album a lot... http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS80307071313sql=An7jqeat24x a7 shake, i'll hit you up soon! okaybyebye I was going to ask if anyone had any strong recommendations on jazz from after the 70s. Andrew Hill's album from 2002, Dusk, is a firm favourite of mine - I'm listening to it for about the 200th time as I type. It isn't Marsalis style classic jazz, it isn't noisy art made for Wire readers, it's just ace. Much like Joe Henderson (yes OK, Jurren so what? ;) Andrew Hill just focused on his own musical personality, without caring much for fashion. That's a good signal that Here-lies-great-music if you ask me. Anyone else got some hot late jazz tips? Dusk: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS70305161434sql=Aexg9keztaq7q
Re: (313) Late jazz?
Some jazz I really like. I posted on Herbie but I'm not sure it came through. So I'll repeat it: Mwandishu, Crossings, and of course the super funky Fat Albert Rotunda are my favorite albums by him. John Zorn's Masada group. It's not exactly jazz but it is definitely amazing. Everything Charles Mingus ever did. Muhal Richard Abrams big band. One of the Chicago guys who has been really adept at combining music rooted in the Afro-American tradition with more experimental sounds. Also along this line, try anything with Roscoe Mitchell, or stuff by the Art Ensemble of Chicago. Stuff by Henry Threadgill, from the 80s through now. This guy is another of those Chicago cats, and some of his compositions are just totally wild. His band Very Very Circus had 2 drummers, two tubas, and two guitars among other things. Not every album is on the same level, but the majority of his stuff is just killer, unlike anything else I have ever heard. I would strongly urge you to check him out. Solo albums of world jazz by Don Cherry (formerly with Ornette Coleman). If you're the adventurous type, try Cecil Taylor, Evan Parker, Anthony Braxton, etc. Oh, I would also say that Andrew Hill has always been a great piano player and has matured to create a quite intriguing sound as of late that to me is more interesting than his classic blue note albums. Dave -- Original Message - Subject: (313) Late jazz? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:40:29 +0100 From: Jonny McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Hogans [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 list 313@hyperreal.org i like this album a lot... http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS80307071313sql=An7jqeat24x a7 shake, i'll hit you up soon! okaybyebye I was going to ask if anyone had any strong recommendations on jazz from after the 70s. Andrew Hill's album from 2002, Dusk, is a firm favourite of mine - I'm listening to it for about the 200th time as I type. It isn't Marsalis style classic jazz, it isn't noisy art made for Wire readers, it's just ace. Much like Joe Henderson (yes OK, Jurren so what? ;) Andrew Hill just focused on his own musical personality, without caring much for fashion. That's a good signal that Here-lies-great-music if you ask me. Anyone else got some hot late jazz tips? Dusk: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=CASS70305161434sql=Aexg9keztaq7q
(313) sample original
Can anyone name the song dj sneak used for the tracks u betta and the rhythm slave, both reelased on the classic label? They sample the same song. Cheers, Maarten --- my musical interests http://www.morthenkiang.com/
(313) Quadrant
Am I losing braincells way too fast, or were there not two Quadrant EP's on Planet E, one of which was really hard to find? Also, can anyone shed anylight on whether Dytiq (which was on a New Electronica complation) was released on either the RS or Planet E 12s? Discogs wasn't a whole lot of help. I know this has been discussed here before, but can't for the life of me recall when. Thanks! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Quadrant
There was only one Planet E release AFAIK, but it came out twice - the original pressing is very hard to find but the blue vinyl repress is much more widely available. I think Dytiq was exclusive to the New Electronica compilation - which would make sense as the comp is called Unreleased 1 :) Cheers, Tom Am I losing braincells way too fast, or were there not two Quadrant EP's on Planet E, one of which was really hard to find? Also, can anyone shed anylight on whether Dytiq (which was on a New Electronica complation) was released on either the RS or Planet E 12s? Discogs wasn't a whole lot of help. I know this has been discussed here before, but can't for the life of me recall when. Thanks! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) club sodade
Cesaria Evora is Brazilian Since when ? That's for sure I missed something... Cesaria comes from Cabo Verde. Official Cabo Verde language is Portuguese. And yes they have dialects in Cabo Verde. But no, Brazilian language is not a dialect. And yes we have dialects in Brazil. I already hear the question: where is located Cabo Verde? Well, the Archipelago of Cabo Verde is located 450 km off the coast of Senegal (west Africa), it is composed of 10 islands and 8 islets. A very brief history. Between 170 and 210 million people speak Portuguese throughout the world today. Portuguese ranks eighth among the most spoken languages in the world (third among the western languages, after English and Castilian) and is the official language of seven countries: Angola (10.3 million inhabitants), Brazil (151 million), Cabo Verde (346,000), Guinea-Bissau (1 million), Mozambique (15.3 million), Portugal (9.9 million), and São Tomé and Príncipe islands (126,000). During the 18th century, other differences between the American and European Portuguese developed. At that time Brazilian Portuguese failed to adopt linguistic changes taking place in Portugal produced by French influence. The Brazilian Portuguese remained loyal to the pronunciation sed at the time of its discovery. In the 20th century, the split between the Portuguese and Brazilian variants of Portuguese heightened as the result of new words for technological innovations. This happened because Portuguese lacked a uniform procedure for adopting such words. Certain words took different forms in different countries. For example: in Portugal one hears comboio, and in Brazil one hears trem, both meaning train. Autocarro in Portugal is the same thing as ônibus in Brazil, both meaning bus. In the vast noncontiguous areas of the world where Portuguese is spoken there are differences and variations in the pronunciation, grammar and vocabulary (this is the case with every living language). Though we cannot deny these differences, they are not sufficient to challenge the basic structure of the language. Despite its history, Portuguese continues to maintain its considerable cohesion among its many variations. Brit/American: lay by/rest area, petrol/gasoline, lorry/truck, minerals/soft drinks Well that's for sure American is an English dialect. a language is a dialect promoted by élites.
Re: (313) club sodade (was amp fiddler lovewar)
On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 05:16 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, I could well be wrong but I think the Kerri Chandler mixes were done on a seperate 12 too.. _ Yeah- Rub A Dub in Glasgow have some- the album/double pack has all the mixes too cheers Jason Brunton
Re: (313) Quadrant
the Quadrant EP was released twice once on Planet E (which got re-issued) and as well on RS.. The RS version got several tracks extra Quadrant 2, better known as Q1.1 was released shortly after on Basic Channel But I think this is all old news? - Original Message - From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: (313) Quadrant There was only one Planet E release AFAIK, but it came out twice - the original pressing is very hard to find but the blue vinyl repress is much more widely available. I think Dytiq was exclusive to the New Electronica compilation - which would make sense as the comp is called Unreleased 1 :) Cheers, Tom Am I losing braincells way too fast, or were there not two Quadrant EP's on Planet E, one of which was really hard to find? Also, can anyone shed anylight on whether Dytiq (which was on a New Electronica complation) was released on either the RS or Planet E 12s? Discogs wasn't a whole lot of help. I know this has been discussed here before, but can't for the life of me recall when. Thanks! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Quadrant
the Quadrant EP was released twice once on Planet E (which got re-issued) and as well on RS.. The RS version got several tracks extra Yes, but the Planet E release features a Carl Craig mix of Infinition: http://www.circonium.de/music/bc_related-releases.html But I think this is all old news? Who cares, this is a truely amazing EP :) One of my favourites at least. Cheers, Hans - Original Message - From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: (313) Quadrant There was only one Planet E release AFAIK, but it came out twice - the original pressing is very hard to find but the blue vinyl repress is much more widely available. I think Dytiq was exclusive to the New Electronica compilation - which would make sense as the comp is called Unreleased 1 :) Cheers, Tom Am I losing braincells way too fast, or were there not two Quadrant EP's on Planet E, one of which was really hard to find? Also, can anyone shed anylight on whether Dytiq (which was on a New Electronica complation) was released on either the RS or Planet E 12s? Discogs wasn't a whole lot of help. I know this has been discussed here before, but can't for the life of me recall when. Thanks! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org
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Thanks all! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) Quadrant the Quadrant EP was released twice once on Planet E (which got re-issued) and as well on RS.. The RS version got several tracks extra Yes, but the Planet E release features a Carl Craig mix of Infinition: http://www.circonium.de/music/bc_related-releases.html But I think this is all old news? Who cares, this is a truely amazing EP :) One of my favourites at least. Cheers, Hans - Original Message - From: Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: (313) Quadrant There was only one Planet E release AFAIK, but it came out twice - the original pressing is very hard to find but the blue vinyl repress is much more widely available. I think Dytiq was exclusive to the New Electronica compilation - which would make sense as the comp is called Unreleased 1 :) Cheers, Tom Am I losing braincells way too fast, or were there not two Quadrant EP's on Planet E, one of which was really hard to find? Also, can anyone shed anylight on whether Dytiq (which was on a New Electronica complation) was released on either the RS or Planet E 12s? Discogs wasn't a whole lot of help. I know this has been discussed here before, but can't for the life of me recall when. Thanks! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org
