RE: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno
I fell asleep about a third of the way through that Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2007 19:19 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno As the subject says. http://www.de-bug.de/texte/5129.html robin... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno
On 10 Oct 2007, at 12:15, Robert Taylor wrote: I fell asleep about a third of the way through that You should read his stuff on mnml Rob, gushing boy most extreme :) m
Re: (313) Interesting piece on house/techno
I fell asleep about a third of the way through that OK, not deparately interesting but it generated some discussion on an otherwise semi-dormant list. Where's your topic for discussion Rob? If you're not careful I'll star another vinyl vs. digital discussion. :) robin...
Re: (313) interesting photo.
From what I remember this was taken for the Detroit Techno Museum that was around a few years ago. Is the exhibit still up in parts? Patrick. --- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --- On May 8, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Lee Herrington wrote: Check it... http://tinyurl.com/239fq5 Anybody got a story behind it? Cheers, lrh
Re: (313) interesting photo.
That is about right, it was a promotional picture for the opening of the Detroit Techno exhibition down at the Detroit Historical Museum. On 9-mei-2007, at 6:00, Patrick Wacher wrote: From what I remember this was taken for the Detroit Techno Museum that was around a few years ago. Is the exhibit still up in parts? Patrick. --- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --- On May 8, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Lee Herrington wrote: Check it... http://tinyurl.com/239fq5 Anybody got a story behind it? Cheers, lrh
RE: (313) interesting photo.
That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K
Re: (313) interesting photo.
http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K
RE: (313) interesting photo.
So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 13:55 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K
Re: (313) interesting photo.
Is there anything in the Museum relating to techno at the moment? I was disappointed not to see anything when I was there a couple of years ago. On 09/05/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 13:55 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K
RE: (313) interesting photo.
So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... The exhibit opened in January 2003. Not sure when the photo was taken. Probably in the Spring? Certainly doesn't look like Detroit in January. The opening party was at the Rooster Tail. Mojo himself introduced Aux Men who then played live versions every Detroit classic you could think of. Twas a good night indeed. _ See what youre getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507
RE: (313) interesting photo.
There was still nothing there when I was there last summer. Shame really considering how the exhibit was the most visited exhibit in the history of the museum. -Original Message- From: Nick Hardie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 14:53 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. Is there anything in the Museum relating to techno at the moment? I was disappointed not to see anything when I was there a couple of years ago. On 09/05/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 13:55 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K
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According to my sister who was just there with my nephews boy scout troop: Yes... there is a wall/hall of techno left up there. Nothing major, but a little something. You'll miss it if you don't look for it. The exhibit was supposed to go on tour around the US after it's year here in Detroit. On 5/9/07, Nick Hardie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything in the Museum relating to techno at the moment? I was disappointed not to see anything when I was there a couple of years ago. On 09/05/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 13:55 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Re: (313) interesting photo.
Of course, the real museum is upstairs at the Submerge building. On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 13:55 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K
Re: (313) interesting photo.
Yes and it's getting some updates this year! There will be more stuff on display over at the Submerge building. On 5/9/07, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, the real museum is upstairs at the Submerge building. On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess that is new(ish) Kent? Can't be so sure any more... -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 May 2007 13:55 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) interesting photo. http://www.detroithistorical.org/promo-techno/founders.asp On 5/9/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pic is about ten years old *IINM* (approx) just judging from the other contexts in which I'm seen it - I think you can get it in Google images if you ask the right question. K -- Detroit Techno Militia http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com
Re: (313) Interesting Downloads
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006, Martin Dust wrote: Both of these are interesting field recordings, Chris is of course Ex-Cabs and Z'ev is one of the most magick people I've ever met...enjoy Chris Watson - Alcedo Volcano http://www.touchradio.org.uk/ And you've probably heard his work if you have watched bbc (nature) documentaries since the 80s. :) I've got only 2 of his records, Outside The Circle Of Fire and Stepping Into The Dark, of which the first one is highly recommended if natural techno is to your liking. Acoustic landscapes inside a volcano, sounds interesting indeed... :) Jussi Lehtonen Metaprogram yourself.
Re: (313) Interesting Downloads
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 05:33:47PM +0100, Martin Dust wrote:
Both of these are interesting field recordings, Chris is of course
Ex-Cabs and Z'ev is one of the most magick people I've ever met...enjoy
And, of course, Chris is also ex-Hafler Trio.
So you've met Z'ev?! Do tell! How does his magick manifest in
person?
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Re: (313) interesting record
sorry. should clarify my last post. it's interesting, because now at last we see some tracks from those guys who have been gradually been starting to play some 'techno' over the last few years, it's interesting to see their slant on it. I can see how the ur/hermanos bits fit their sound. I read somewhere that Timmy Regisford has been battering Carl Craigs sandstorms at shelter as well. dunno if thats true. so thats what I find interesting about it, rather than actual, h, this is Interesting musically _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Interesting 313 gift
At 01:25 PM 1/31/2005, KiDD*e* wrote: And i definitively have no idea...i thought to the Analog 10, but i think i wake up waaay to late :T So if you have any proposal about DVD/CD box, book or any other item, 313 related or more widely 'electronic' that would be nice :) The Axis BEACH TOWEL. (and pencil set) -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Interesting 313 gift
There's an Axis Soccer Ball, thats way more appropriate for the European gift giver ;) On Monday, January 31, 2005, at 12:28 PM, matt kane's brain wrote: At 01:25 PM 1/31/2005, KiDD*e* wrote: And i definitively have no idea...i thought to the Analog 10, but i think i wake up waaay to late :T So if you have any proposal about DVD/CD box, book or any other item, 313 related or more widely 'electronic' that would be nice :) The Axis BEACH TOWEL. (and pencil set) -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Interesting 313 gift
You could get him a decktray (ashtray that looks like a 1210) Ive got one but they seem to have prograsses a bit since I got mine from the Bi-Wire shop a few years ago. Mine is white so has never been used, just an ornament) but they now seem to have a removable bowl for the ashtray. Here is the URL http://www.skustyle.com/PRODUCTS.html Cheers BT --- KiDD*e* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Sorry to post about it, but i'd like to ask you all if you have any gift suggestions. Because its my brother's 30th birthday in one month. And i definitively have no idea...i thought to the Analog 10, but i think i wake up waaay to late :T So if you have any proposal about DVD/CD box, book or any other item, 313 related or more widely 'electronic' that would be nice :) Thanks in advance. - KiDDy.
Re: (313) Interesting 313 gift
maybe WarpVision: The Videos 1989-2004 (CD+DVD) ?
Re: (313) interesting pretentious music article
another clueless article theorising about electronic dance music without even considering dancing. hamlet without the prince. the author makes claims: robots cannot make better our music because they have nothing to say. he's just can't hear what the robots are saying, - set your body free. james www.jbucknell.com Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To h.com313@hyperreal.org cc 20/07/04 06:39 AM Subject (313) interesting pretentious music Please respond to article [EMAIL PROTECTED] h.com http://www.furious.com/perfect/technologytrap.html i find myself relating to both sides of this guy's argument. in alot of ways i find the old way of doing things to be superior. i also find the ability of electronic music to allow a single composer to also be a performer, arranger, engineer, etc at the same time to be the most important musical development since jazz. basically, i agree with his whole argument up to a point. his theory on the use of vocoders is absolute garbage, even someone who has heard kraftwerk once can attest to that. i think his choice of electronic musicians that are good belies his predjudice in writing this: jimi hendrix and stevie wonder stick out of an otherwise extremely pretentios group of mostly white artsy musicians. the man doesnt understand the primal greatness of techno and house music. most outstandingly annoying to me are his words of praise for brian eno. i love brian eno, i consider him to be one of my musical heroes. however, chalking up his success with nontraditional structure and composition with electronic instruments to his theory alone is missing the whole point of his music. i know eno cared about the philosophy, this is why he put explanations of his ambient pieces in the liner notes. the fact that his music exudes mood and texture is the real reason for his brilliance. these are some of the points i liked the most from this article: Computers have cracked open a plethora of fresh new noises, but we scarcely have time to grow accustomed to using one when another comes along to make its predecessor outdated. Too few know how to program a drum machine well, too few recognize unpalatable digital slickness for what it is. that really sums up the best parts of his argument. however, i dont think that most electronic music is guilty of this. if anything, people have accused some techno and house of stagnation because of the reliance on the old roland boxes and minimoogs. IDM wasnt guilty of this initially, they utilized most of the same gear and sounds. now, it, progressive house, drummy techno, and drum and bass are the most guilty of pretty much every accusation this guy has against electronic music. music is reduced to a cool sound, one that doesnt last long before the new sound comes along. part of old school techno and house's appeal to me is its rawness, the bad tape edits, the crap pressings of trax records, the primitive programming of the generally low end electronic instruments. see, these instruments dont force people into this perfection that alot of electronic music has boxed itself into. the mainstream attitude does: liking these ultra-pristine forms of music is more akin to liking bad pop music. the dirty old techno house idm and jungle is more like punk rock, its more about the expression and not the sound. yeah, lets argue about this for a while. tom andythepooh.com ForwardSourceID:NTFD0A
Re: (313) interesting pretentious music article
.. i'm really in love with sound - and working on it means more possibilities of expression - i know of and adore this primitive beauty of raw, dirty and rough sound, yet its just a single shade of the infinite spectrum /z99 ~~~ it was 20.07.2004 when u've been going like this -= :: that really sums up the best parts of his argument. however, i :: dont think that most electronic music is guilty of this. if :: anything, people have accused some techno and house of stagnation :: because of the reliance on the old roland boxes and minimoogs. IDM :: wasnt guilty of this initially, they utilized most of the same :: gear and sounds. now, it, progressive house, drummy techno, and :: drum and bass are the most guilty of pretty much every accusation :: this guy has against electronic music. music is reduced to a cool :: sound, one that doesnt last long before the new sound comes :: along. part of old school techno and house's appeal to me is its :: rawness, the bad tape edits, the crap pressings of trax records, :: the primitive programming of the generally low end electronic :: instruments. see, these instruments dont force people into :: this perfection that alot of electronic music has boxed itself :: into. the mainstream attitude does: liking these ultra-pristine :: forms of music is more akin to liking bad pop music. the dirty old :: techno house idm and jungle is more like punk rock, its more about :: the expression and not the sound. :: yeah, lets argue about this for a while. :: tom :: :: andythepooh.com ~~~
Re: (313) interesting pretentious music article
Oh gawd. Adorno: call your office. There are a lot of problems with this guy's argument, the first of which is that he's pretty much re-hashed the elitist cultural critique of a writer (Adorno) who has been shown to be very intolerant towards any form of popular music--and particularly repetitive kinds. This guy tosses around phrases such as Music is a language or Great Music without really thinking about the consequences of his logic. Thomas was right to point out the mostly white, Euro/American bourgeois genealogy of composers/artists that are Great. A lot of these anti-pop, anti-technology, nostalgia-for-the-good-old-days sort of arguments have a tendency to indirectly re-support the idea that music associated with other genders, races, sexualities, etc. are somehow inferior. poop! Luis Toronto --- Chicago (Fall) On Tuesday, July 20, 2004, at 01:39 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: http://www.furious.com/perfect/technologytrap.html
RE: (313) interesting pretentious music article
Applause! k Oh gawd. Adorno: call your office. There are a lot of problems with this guy's argument, the first of which is that he's pretty much re-hashed the elitist cultural critique of a writer (Adorno) who has been shown to be very intolerant towards any form of popular music--and particularly repetitive kinds. This guy tosses around phrases such as Music is a language or Great Music without really thinking about the consequences of his logic. Thomas was right to point out the mostly white, Euro/American bourgeois genealogy of composers/artists that are Great. A lot of these anti-pop, anti-technology, nostalgia-for-the-good-old-days sort of arguments have a tendency to indirectly re-support the idea that music associated with other genders, races, sexualities, etc. are somehow inferior. poop! Luis Toronto --- Chicago (Fall) http://www.furious.com/perfect/technologytrap.html
RE: (313) interesting pretentious music article
Whilst his book on the Beatles is a fantastic text, the late Iain MacDonald was also guilty of this sadly. His Peoples Music essays book that was published shortly before his death is full of this similar thinking. A frustrating read, as it appears that he had some phenomenal ideas on music, but was not prepared to sail on the back of future technology and be prepared to criticise what had gone before, and see where it took him. -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2004 15:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: RE: (313) interesting pretentious music article Applause! k Oh gawd. Adorno: call your office. There are a lot of problems with this guy's argument, the first of which is that he's pretty much re-hashed the elitist cultural critique of a writer (Adorno) who has been shown to be very intolerant towards any form of popular music--and particularly repetitive kinds. This guy tosses around phrases such as Music is a language or Great Music without really thinking about the consequences of his logic. Thomas was right to point out the mostly white, Euro/American bourgeois genealogy of composers/artists that are Great. A lot of these anti-pop, anti-technology, nostalgia-for-the-good-old-days sort of arguments have a tendency to indirectly re-support the idea that music associated with other genders, races, sexualities, etc. are somehow inferior. poop! Luis Toronto --- Chicago (Fall) http://www.furious.com/perfect/technologytrap.html
Re: (313) interesting pretentious music article
Consequently, placing certain restraints on how we use our musical tools is just common sense. Ugh. Gimme a break. . I might be able to take this person's arguments seriously if he made better connections and backed them up with things other than sloppy academic and pop culture references. This article seems like an exercise in masterbation unachieved - like you know it could have been really awesome, but it just ... wasn't. LOL! Growl. lisa - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:39 am Subject: (313) interesting pretentious music article http://www.furious.com/perfect/technologytrap.html i find myself relating to both sides of this guy's argument. in alot of ways i find the old way of doing things to be superior. i also find the ability of electronic music to allow a single composer to also be a performer, arranger, engineer, etc at the same time to be the most important musical development since jazz. basically, i agree with his whole argument up to a point. his theory on the use of vocoders is absolute garbage, even someone who has heard kraftwerk once can attest to that. i think his choice of electronic musicians that are good belies his predjudice in writing this: jimi hendrix and stevie wonder stick out of an otherwise extremely pretentios group of mostly white artsy musicians. the man doesnt understand the primal greatness of techno and house music. most outstandingly annoying to me are his words of praise for brian eno. i love brian eno, i consider him to be one of my musical heroes. however, chalking up his success with nontraditional structure and composition with electronic instruments to his theory alone is missing the whole point of his music. i know eno cared about the philosophy, this is why he put explanations of his ambient pieces in the liner notes. the fact that his music exudes mood and texture is the real reason for his brilliance. these are some of the points i liked the most from this article: Computers have cracked open a plethora of fresh new noises, but we scarcely have time to grow accustomed to using one when another comes along to make its predecessor outdated. Too few know how to program a drum machine well, too few recognize unpalatable digital slickness for what it is. that really sums up the best parts of his argument. however, i dont think that most electronic music is guilty of this. if anything, people have accused some techno and house of stagnation because of the reliance on the old roland boxes and minimoogs. IDM wasnt guilty of this initially, they utilized most of the same gear and sounds. now, it, progressive house, drummy techno, and drum and bass are the most guilty of pretty much every accusation this guy has against electronic music. music is reduced to a cool sound, one that doesnt last long before the new sound comes along. part of old school techno and house's appeal to me is its rawness, the bad tape edits, the crap pressings of trax records, the primitive programming of the generally low end electronic instruments. see, these instruments dont force people into this perfection that alot of electronic music has boxed itself into. the mainstream attitude does: liking these ultra-pristine forms of music is more akin to liking bad pop music. the dirty old techno house idm and jungle is more like punk rock, its more about the expression and not the sound. yeah, lets argue about this for a while. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) interesting stuff going on with iPods
She walked right up to me and got within my comfort field, Crandall stammered. I was taken aback. She pulled out the earbuds on her iPod and indicated the jack with her eyes. Warily unplugging his own earbuds, Crandall gingerly plugged them into the woman's iPod, and was greeted by a rush of techno. iPorn
Re: (313) interesting stuff going on with iPods
JESUS! next thing you know children will be plugging in to hear seniors listen to bach and sinatra! I think its so neat when writers write free ads for companies and people and people's companies under the 'news' section. sarcasticme. --- lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She walked right up to me and got within my comfort field, Crandall stammered. I was taken aback. She pulled out the earbuds on her iPod and indicated the jack with her eyes. Warily unplugging his own earbuds, Crandall gingerly plugged them into the woman's iPod, and was greeted by a rush of techno. [ ] She listens to techno and trance and things like that, he said. Things I'm completely disconnected from. Stuff I'd never listen to unless someone is guiding me It's interesting. I've probably bought half a dozen CDs based on what I've heard. It's like finding a new radio station. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,61242,00.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
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An interesting angle on this: quote Silent, Subtle Desperation :. Look at this example of how people are using a mass produced gadget to find meaning in their lives. Life in the so-called information age: During his regular evening walk, software executive Steve Crandall often nods a polite greeting to other iPod users he passes: He easily spots the distinctive white earbuds threaded from pocket to ears. But while quietly enjoying some chamber music one evening in August, Crandall's polite nodding protocol was rudely shattered. Crandall was boldly approached by another iPod user, a 30ish woman bopping enthusiastically to some high-energy tune. She walked right up to me and got within my comfort field, Crandall stammered. I was taken aback. She pulled out the earbuds on her iPod and indicated the jack with her eyes. Warily unplugging his own earbuds, Crandall gingerly plugged them into the woman's iPod, and was greeted by a rush of techno. We listened for about 30 seconds, Crandall said. No words were exchanged. We nodded and walked off. The following evening, Crandall saw the woman again. This time, she was sharing her iPod with another iPod regular Crandall had spotted on his walks. /quote This is from Cryptogon.com, interesting website. Seems to be a bit edited from the original though, eh? Still...is it a good point? (Or on topic? ;) Peace, Andrew diana potts wrote: JESUS! next thing you know children will be plugging in to hear seniors listen to bach and sinatra! I think its so neat when writers write free ads for companies and people and people's companies under the 'news' section. sarcasticme. --- lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She walked right up to me and got within my comfort field, Crandall stammered. I was taken aback. She pulled out the earbuds on her iPod and indicated the jack with her eyes. Warily unplugging his own earbuds, Crandall gingerly plugged them into the woman's iPod, and was greeted by a rush of techno. [ ] She listens to techno and trance and things like that, he said. Things I'm completely disconnected from. Stuff I'd never listen to unless someone is guiding me It's interesting. I've probably bought half a dozen CDs based on what I've heard. It's like finding a new radio station. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,61242,00.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
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LOL - the promiscuous iPod woman who imposes techno upon poor Crandall - hehe! I kinda like Diana's idea of the young plugging in to check out the senior's Bach Sinatra ... of course there are *many* ways of seeing the story. I was amused by the article for several reasons: the power of technology and music to bond people the trend-setting potential of a positioned piece in a popular hi-tech culture mag the babe turning the dude on to techno the power of people to change technology and the power of technology to change people lisa :) Andrew wrote: An interesting angle on this: quote Silent, Subtle Desperation :. Look at this example of how people are using a mass produced gadget to find meaning in their lives. Life in the so-called information age: During his regular evening walk, software executive Steve Crandall often nods a polite greeting to other iPod users he passes: He easily spots the distinctive white earbuds threaded from pocket to ears. But while quietly enjoying some chamber music one evening in August, Crandall's polite nodding protocol was rudely shattered. Crandall was boldly approached by another iPod user, a 30ish woman bopping enthusiastically to some high-energy tune. She walked right up to me and got within my comfort field, Crandall stammered. I was taken aback. She pulled out the earbuds on her iPod and indicated the jack with her eyes. Warily unplugging his own earbuds, Crandall gingerly plugged them into the woman's iPod, and was greeted by a rush of techno. We listened for about 30 seconds, Crandall said. No words were exchanged. We nodded and walked off. The following evening, Crandall saw the woman again. This time, she was sharing her iPod with another iPod regular Crandall had spotted on his walks. /quote This is from Cryptogon.com, interesting website. Seems to be a bit edited from the original though, eh? Still...is it a good point? (Or on topic? ;) Peace, Andrew diana potts wrote: JESUS! next thing you know children will be plugging in to hear seniors listen to bach and sinatra! I think its so neat when writers write free ads for companies and people and people's companies under the 'news' section. sarcasticme. --- lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She walked right up to me and got within my comfort field, Crandall stammered. I was taken aback. She pulled out the earbuds on her iPod and indicated the jack with her eyes. Warily unplugging his own earbuds, Crandall gingerly plugged them into the woman's iPod, and was greeted by a rush of techno. [ ] She listens to techno and trance and things like that, he said. Things I'm completely disconnected from. Stuff I'd never listen to unless someone is guiding me It's interesting. I've probably bought half a dozen CDs based on what I've heard. It's like finding a new radio station. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,61242,00.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
RE: (313) interesting ...
I heard the Ben Sims mix a while back - it was really good; kind of in his trademark style, but retaining the depth of the original. I don't think the release ever surfaced though; not sure why... Sean. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2002 20:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) interesting ... On the subject of Blake Baxter, anyone ever hear what became of the Sexuality remixes that were meant to come out on Somic Groove? Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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there was just one up at teknet last month. - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: RE: (313) interesting ... I heard the Ben Sims mix a while back - it was really good; kind of in his trademark style, but retaining the depth of the original. I don't think the release ever surfaced though; not sure why... Sean. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2002 20:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) interesting ... On the subject of Blake Baxter, anyone ever hear what became of the Sexuality remixes that were meant to come out on Somic Groove? Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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well, I did read this about Kaos: http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/interviews/blake_baxter.php Thanks Mr. Osslear! :) Wow, this interview is fantastic. About this part-- I used to drive Derrick and we were really good friends back in those days. We all basically hung out and lived together. I was in Chicago at that time. Things weren't going well for me with Dj International. Derrick was delivering records for Metroplex and he was like : 'Come back to Detroit, we have a new sound we are working on.' So does anyone know if Blake ever got anything released on DJ International? And if so what did they sound like? Cheers, Matt
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Work Your Body! :) On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 03:33 PM, Matthew MacQueen wrote: well, I did read this about Kaos: http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/interviews/blake_baxter.php Thanks Mr. Osslear! :) Wow, this interview is fantastic. About this part-- I used to drive Derrick and we were really good friends back in those days. We all basically hung out and lived together. I was in Chicago at that time. Things weren't going well for me with Dj International. Derrick was delivering records for Metroplex and he was like : 'Come back to Detroit, we have a new sound we are working on.' So does anyone know if Blake ever got anything released on DJ International? And if so what did they sound like? Cheers, Matt
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Blake released the Work Your Body EP and also the Does Not Compute EP on DJ International in 1985. There were also remix eps of both these releases. Stewart - Original Message - From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: Re: (313) interesting ... Work Your Body! :) ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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supercool interview from Johnreally enjoyed it Blake did a track called Work It' for one of the Jacktrax double pack compilations. I think the double pack is the only place you can get it though.really sparce jack track with his TM spoken word over the top. on 13/12/02 7:33 AM, Matthew MacQueen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I did read this about Kaos: http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/interviews/blake_baxter.php Thanks Mr. Osslear! :) Wow, this interview is fantastic. About this part-- I used to drive Derrick and we were really good friends back in those days. We all basically hung out and lived together. I was in Chicago at that time. Things weren't going well for me with Dj International. Derrick was delivering records for Metroplex and he was like : 'Come back to Detroit, we have a new sound we are working on.' So does anyone know if Blake ever got anything released on DJ International? And if so what did they sound like? Cheers, Matt
RE: (313) interesting ...
I have to say, this quote from Blake Baxter is absolutely classic... O.M. What will it take for techno, both the music and the culture, to be generally accepted in the US? B.B. It would take Backstreet Boys and N-Sync to collaborate with Mike Banks. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:26 PM To: 313 list Subject: (313) interesting ... well, I did read this about Kaos: http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/interviews/blake_baxter.php Thanks Mr. Osslear! :)
Re: (313) interesting stuff - Footwork, Stuff
HI everyone, sorry for being a bit late on the return with this one: GOOD. As many smart labels have figured out the deepest headz are brave enough to handle the switch-ups in tempos and styles within a single label (Planet E, also to some degree also Rush Hour, Archive, Kindrid Spirits, Delsin, etc. to name a few. Also other Glasgow labels are on a roll, how about their other great genre-bending labels like Iridide and Emoticon too?) I spoke to Tom Churchill (Emoticon) last week when he was in Amsterdam and he was discussing a new project he was releasing in a Masters At Work/Jazzy Bassline/Off Beat drums vein- good for the genre-busting points and good for music in general. There is a fine balance between picking up a labels releases and being pleasantly surprised by a carefully chosen departure from the norm and the other extreme where you just don't know what to expect next. A lot of people don't like to to be too confused by label's output- we were criticised occasionally on our first release for having too many styles on one record- it wasn't an overly eclectic choice we thought, it wasn't a Coil/Kylie mash up or anything. In the future Iridite will definitely be releasing more House oriented tracks and if the quality is right, Hip Hop and anything else we can get our hands on. Distributors definitely aren't too keen on multi themed releases but it seems distributors aren't too keen on ANYTHING these days :) Cheers Jason Brunton Iridite peace, Matt
Re: (313) interesting stuff? (was RE: (313) re: best decks)
The Artcyclopedia (http://www.artcyclopedia.com) describes minimalism as 'a style of art in which objects are stripped down to their elemental, geometric form, and presented in an impersonal manner'. Robert Hood's Minimal Nation EP (Axis, 1994) is as pure as it gets, discharging solidly 3-dimensional shapes into the sonicsphere. Listening to Rhythm, you meditate on its building blocks of melody and rhythm, and find in them sonic paradoxes worthy of Escher's drawings. http://www.lipsons.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/escher/ascending.html And don't try to tell me it can't be done without cheating!!! ;)
Re: (313) interesting stuff - Footwork, Stuff
hey guys if you're into wicked Detroit-style (electro and techno-tinged) house then keep your eyes peeled for a label called Footwork Records. the label's London-based, but the guys who run it are closely affiliated with Detroit's IS12 collective. due out sometime yes the first 12 on footwork was pretty nice too, by louis digital, had a really stripped-down homemade peaches-n-cream remix, and a couple nice house tracks. that mark flash one (the second footwork) was godawful but i guess that just means i'm not a mark flash fan...0 subtletly..definitely excited to hear the new ones tho! also check out this new label from Glasgow with it's first release next week - Stuff Records, vaguely affiliated (i think?) with the guys from Rub-a-Dub (and redshift, who i think is on the list?) ...the first ep is a various artists ep full of totally crazy chit, from drexciyan electro to wigged out japanese hiphop-idm, straight-up rb remixes(!?) etc...they clearly dont care about making genre records and there is some cool stuff on there..they have a website, incomplete now but very soon complete at: http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk and a soundbite: http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk/audiobank/truffleclub.mp3 bye jt _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) interesting stuff - Footwork, Stuff
JT: yes the first 12 on footwork was pretty nice too, by louis digital, had a really stripped-down homemade peaches-n-cream remix, and a couple nice house tracks. that mark flash one (the second footwork) was godawful but i guess that just means i'm not a mark flash fan...0 subtletly..definitely excited to hear the new ones tho! the new Louis Digital definitely shows a progression from the first one, and the AMX 12 is really good too imho! i'm not sure what's happening with their website, but as i said before Groovetech has some samples anyways. also check out this new label from Glasgow with it's first release next week - Stuff Records, vaguely affiliated (i think?) with the guys from Rub-a-Dub (and redshift, who i think is on the list?) ...the first ep is a various artists ep full of totally crazy chit, from drexciyan electro to wigged out japanese hiphop-idm, straight-up rb remixes(!?) etc...they clearly dont care about making genre records and there is some cool stuff on there..they have a website, incomplete now but very soon complete at: http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk and a soundbite: http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk/audiobank/truffleclub.mp3 cool, nice heavy funky Mary J remix! as well as that Mary J remix (The Truffle Club Perculatin') the Stuff ep also features a track from Marcia Blaine School for Girls whose 12 on Dalraida is superb downtempo melodic electronica, and one by Redshift who's last ep on Surface Effect i really liked n'all (reminded me of early UR/RedPlanet electro)... and as it happens Warp have the Stuff ep in stock so i think i'll snag one shortly, along with a copy of Twoism!!! :) rob ps: is it the same Redshift (signs emails as Joe i think?) who's on this list? i always assumed Redshift was a Scot or based in Scotland, mainly cos of the Rub-a-dub association. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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no, Im a different Joe I'ved used redshift (now r3dshift) as my email for a while, but it is not connected with my performance names I perform typically as fux however, I have played a few PAs on the radio as negative saucer and was also on the bill for this years battery park cologne festival as negative saucer. (yes, I dont like fux that much either, its kinda a nickname... quite embarrassing to discuss this project on the radio... fux sounds profane.) if I have current samples of ideas and audio concepts up, they are here: www.emmrecords.com/~fux/webshite.php sorry for any confusing or extra info that no one cares about :) -Joe DelCimmuto - Original Message - From: rob webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: (313) interesting stuff - Footwork, Stuff JT: yes the first 12 on footwork was pretty nice too, by louis digital, had a really stripped-down homemade peaches-n-cream remix, and a couple nice house tracks. that mark flash one (the second footwork) was godawful but i guess that just means i'm not a mark flash fan...0 subtletly..definitely excited to hear the new ones tho! the new Louis Digital definitely shows a progression from the first one, and the AMX 12 is really good too imho! i'm not sure what's happening with their website, but as i said before Groovetech has some samples anyways. also check out this new label from Glasgow with it's first release next week - Stuff Records, vaguely affiliated (i think?) with the guys from Rub-a-Dub (and redshift, who i think is on the list?) ...the first ep is a various artists ep full of totally crazy chit, from drexciyan electro to wigged out japanese hiphop-idm, straight-up rb remixes(!?) etc...they clearly dont care about making genre records and there is some cool stuff on there..they have a website, incomplete now but very soon complete at: http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk and a soundbite: http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk/audiobank/truffleclub.mp3 cool, nice heavy funky Mary J remix! as well as that Mary J remix (The Truffle Club Perculatin') the Stuff ep also features a track from Marcia Blaine School for Girls whose 12 on Dalraida is superb downtempo melodic electronica, and one by Redshift who's last ep on Surface Effect i really liked n'all (reminded me of early UR/RedPlanet electro)... and as it happens Warp have the Stuff ep in stock so i think i'll snag one shortly, along with a copy of Twoism!!! :) rob ps: is it the same Redshift (signs emails as Joe i think?) who's on this list? i always assumed Redshift was a Scot or based in Scotland, mainly cos of the Rub-a-dub association. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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...the first ep is a various artists ep full of totally crazy chit, from drexciyan electro to wigged out japanese hiphop-idm, straight-up rb remixes(!?) YES! ..they clearly dont care about making genre records GOOD. As many smart labels have figured out the deepest headz are brave enough to handle the switch-ups in tempos and styles within a single label (Planet E, also to some degree also Rush Hour, Archive, Kindrid Spirits, Delsin, etc. to name a few. Also other Glasgow labels are on a roll, how about their other great genre-bending labels like Iridide and Emoticon too?) http://www.stuffrecords.co.uk/audiobank/truffleclub.mp3 this is awesome production... do they have a US distributor? peace, Matt
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this is awesome production... do they have a US distributor? i dunno, it's only 500 copies (and 5 different metallic shades of vinyl..o), and they suggest getting it from rub-a-dub or boomkat... maybe try emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more.. jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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UR inscribed Can a 303 heal? in one of their run-out grooves. Maybe now they have an answer? -d On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 12:38 AM, Samuel Hobbs wrote: the following is absolutely the truth: tonight i was doing my normal job to augment graduate school, which is working with autistic kids doing highly regimented behavioral modification therapy called applied behavior analysis. i was extremely stressed out because the kid was hitting himself and he pissed on my new steve madden shoes, so i decided to pop in a cd into the old cd player. the cd i chose was plus 8 classics vol. 1, it being the handiest and in my coat. the kid immediately stopped hitting himself and began following verbal directions to complete the discrete trials i was really suprised and decided to stop the cd. he started hitting himself again! so i put the cd back on. he stopped hitting himself again. not wanting the kid to start hitting himself again i left the cd on for the rest of the shift. now, i've had a couple of days to digest this. i decided that the heavy bass kick and textural acid lines provided some high level of stimulation. the only problem with the whole situation is that he's now fixated on the song with the vocal vortex and the squelching acid line. i had to give the cd to the kids parents for them to burn and bring back the next session. so any other suggestions for music to accompany applied behavior analysis? apparently my client has a hankerin' for acd!!! -sam __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
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acid has saved many a soul. james From: Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:38:03 -0800 (PST) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) interesting, as always! the following is absolutely the truth: tonight i was doing my normal job to augment graduate school, which is working with autistic kids doing highly regimented behavioral modification therapy called applied behavior analysis. i was extremely stressed out because the kid was hitting himself and he pissed on my new steve madden shoes, so i decided to pop in a cd into the old cd player. the cd i chose was plus 8 classics vol. 1, it being the handiest and in my coat. the kid immediately stopped hitting himself and began following verbal directions to complete the discrete trials i was really suprised and decided to stop the cd. he started hitting himself again! so i put the cd back on. he stopped hitting himself again. not wanting the kid to start hitting himself again i left the cd on for the rest of the shift. now, i've had a couple of days to digest this. i decided that the heavy bass kick and textural acid lines provided some high level of stimulation. the only problem with the whole situation is that he's now fixated on the song with the vocal vortex and the squelching acid line. i had to give the cd to the kids parents for them to burn and bring back the next session. so any other suggestions for music to accompany applied behavior analysis? apparently my client has a hankerin' for acd!!! -sam __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2
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My brother is autistic. He only listens to comdey and classic rock tho, and he's 19. *shrug* 11/13/2002 9:10:12 AM, James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: acid has saved many a soul. james From: Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:38:03 -0800 (PST) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) interesting, as always! the following is absolutely the truth: tonight i was doing my normal job to augment graduate school, which is working with autistic kids doing highly regimented behavioral modification therapy called applied behavior analysis. i was extremely stressed out because the kid was hitting himself and he pissed on my new steve madden shoes, so i decided to pop in a cd into the old cd player. the cd i chose was plus 8 classics vol. 1, it being the handiest and in my coat. the kid immediately stopped hitting himself and began following verbal directions to complete the discrete trials i was really suprised and decided to stop the cd. he started hitting himself again! so i put the cd back on. he stopped hitting himself again. not wanting the kid to start hitting himself again i left the cd on for the rest of the shift. now, i've had a couple of days to digest this. i decided that the heavy bass kick and textural acid lines provided some high level of stimulation. the only problem with the whole situation is that he's now fixated on the song with the vocal vortex and the squelching acid line. i had to give the cd to the kids parents for them to burn and bring back the next session. so any other suggestions for music to accompany applied behavior analysis? apparently my client has a hankerin' for acd!!! -sam __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
Re: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details
that's interesting as there's not such a large number of collaborations... let me think, 'altitude' and another track on the first album, 'mysterious traveller' on the 2nd one, and 'big sky city' from 'the power of seven', a version of which is also featured on the time space cd on transmat (mislabelled as 'mysterious traveller') that's five tracks so far... - Original Message - From: Sam Karmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details Yo, Just saw this and thought it might be of interest. I wonder if any of it is actually new work;^) http://www.inthemix.com.au/p/np/viewnews.php?newsid=1020582159,68747, Laterz Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sorry, just 4 tracks ;O)) - Original Message - From: Sam Karmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details Yo, Just saw this and thought it might be of interest. I wonder if any of it is actually new work;^) http://www.inthemix.com.au/p/np/viewnews.php?newsid=1020582159,68747, Laterz Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details
there Can rmx is one of my favorite on that album From: Sam Karmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Yo, Just saw this and thought it might be of interest. I wonder if any of it is actually new work;^) http://www.inthemix.com.au/p/np/viewnews.php?newsid=1020582159,68747, Laterz Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve has been working on that project for a couple of years, he told me about it in an interview maybe 1999. -- From: scotto you know [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 2:38 AM there Can rmx is one of my favorite on that album From: Sam Karmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting? System 7 Derrick May Album Details Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Yo, Just saw this and thought it might be of interest. I wonder if any of it is actually new work;^) http://www.inthemix.com.au/p/np/viewnews.php?newsid=1020582159,68747, Laterz Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle
MTV has always used great music for incidental while completely ignoring it otherwise. I remember the first season of road rules being completely accompanied by Pell Mell. Or hearing My Bloody Valentine played underneith the VJ as they introduced Pearl Jam same-o same -old On Fri, 3 May 2002, sean deason wrote: I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet?. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Like I say someone in Detroit should do a diss record, and not DJ Assault, someone more purist techno. Anyway I interviewed Boy George last night and he is planning a Enimem song on his new album which will go far beyond the Pet Shop Boys one, so I think Em's work will be cut out for him in answering them all, unless he develps a Twista style rap technique... -- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 2:36 PM Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet®. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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did you get paid, sean? on 3/5/02 3:56 pm, sean deason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet®. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know this is OT but anyone seen this FACE cover? http://breschnev.homestead.com/files/thepinkface.jpg Apparently mnm payed the FACE £100,000 pounds not to run with it?! Why? 'cos he looked gay. George dropshift.org - Original Message - From: Tim Maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [313] Interesting wrinkle in the Eminem/Moby debacle did you get paid, sean? on 3/5/02 3:56 pm, sean deason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am starting to think someone at MTV *is* in the Detroit Techno Closet®. In addition to hearing Carl's At Les used *numerous* times, various tracks from my Allegory Metaphor have been utilized on 2 epsiodes of The Real World (Chicago) and 3 episodes of Celebrity Undercover. I've also heard a Disco D track on the Real World this season. But nobody listens to techno. :^) I like Cyclones idea. I'm waiting for the new Eminem album to come out so I can sample the hell out of it. I wont get caught because nobody listens anyways. sean grand larceny deason Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Making the Video on MTV, featuring Eminem, hero to dim adolescent white boys everywhere. While the Real Slim Maybe explains his Moby dis, an interesting juxtaposition of ideologies occurs . . . the segment uses Carl Craig's At Les as filler music between clips. We go straight from C2's masterpiece to watching M2 lipsync don't nobody listen to techno while pretending to play a keyboard and do yoga. It struck me as a really odd choice of fill music, considering the show's usual diet of high-energy fromage. Coincidence? Intentional dig? Intentional placement by a closeted 313 fan? One wonders . . . Hope Carl got paid anyway. Apologies if someone already noticed this . . . I don't recall seeing it mentioned, but then I was on vacation for a bit. As an aside, I finished the illustration of the robot girl I was working on a while back: http://www.bprince.com/GallyFinal.jpg -- Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Looks like D. May is in the lead by a long-shot. That was a good move, but I'm surprised that the name was actually up for grabs in December... Must've been one of those loose ends that large corporations sometimes miss. Maybe Carl will be back on the commitee soon??? Shwew! wipes sweat off of brow TJ The future was yesterday... www.mp313.com ~~go here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:29 AM -0500 3/11/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0203/08/a01-435700.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] heh ... the real question is after years of this kind of BS, will the name be worth anything? :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:29 AM -0500 3/11/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0203/08/a01-435700.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] heh ... the real question is after years of this kind of BS, will the name be worth anything? Someone here who has any idea why he did this? You don't have to have a Phd. to know that this will piss off certain peopl at PCM and ends with a expensive law-suite. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Jongsma, K.J. wrote: At 8:29 AM -0500 3/11/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0203/08/a01-435700.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] heh ... the real question is after years of this kind of BS, will the name be worth anything? Someone here who has any idea why he did this? You don't have to have a Phd. to know that this will piss off certain peopl at PCM and ends with a expensive law-suite. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 10:27 AM -0500 3/11/02, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. And clearly, where most are concerned, Carol Marvin counts as a foreign entity. (laugh track, please) -m. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, marc christensen wrote: At 10:27 AM -0500 3/11/02, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. And clearly, where most are concerned, Carol Marvin counts as a foreign entity. (laugh track, please) -m. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Interesting Indeed
point well taken. the name does make a difference to a small extent. although i think the difference might be, the jazz fest is something that grew the demf was beyond huge its first year. set up the turntables and they will come. call it derrcik may's detroit techno how-down. it doesn't matter too much. anyways, the point i was really getting at was that derrick owning the name doesn't give him any control over who or what happens at hart plaza every memorial day from now until its still a FREE and PUBLIC festival, put on by the city of DETROIT. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, marc christensen wrote: Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
at once, this kind of both misses the original point (about the loss of the montreaux name) and displays the difficulty of finding accurate info (especially on self-serving internet sites). the piece of info below sounds like it was written by a Detroit Renasissance emplyee, simperingly gushing over the magnamity of his boss, rather than waxing poetic over Gillespie or Miles or even Brubeck. Not coincidentally, I don't believe that Gillespie or Miles or Brubeck ever played ath the Detroit Jazz Fest. They all played at Montreaux. Same place, same weekend, different years. Which the detroitjazzfest site surprisingly doesn't mention. At all. Shame, shame, shame. You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. ah well. -marc At 4:28 PM + 3/11/02, xx xx wrote: Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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If you are involve in Jazz you know it's Montreux, not Montreaux. And Montreux is the name of this famous city in switzerland where the Montreux Jazz festival takes place every year since 1967, runs by Claude Nobs, ex AR at Warner. Makes sense to me that they removed the name Montreux for the Jazz festival in Detroit. From: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:39:30 -0800 at once, this kind of both misses the original point (about the loss of the montreaux name) and displays the difficulty of finding accurate info (especially on self-serving internet sites). the piece of info below sounds like it was written by a Detroit Renasissance emplyee, simperingly gushing over the magnamity of his boss, rather than waxing poetic over Gillespie or Miles or even Brubeck. Not coincidentally, I don't believe that Gillespie or Miles or Brubeck ever played ath the Detroit Jazz Fest. They all played at Montreaux. Same place, same weekend, different years. Which the detroitjazzfest site surprisingly doesn't mention. At all. Shame, shame, shame. You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. ah well. -marc At 4:28 PM + 3/11/02, xx xx wrote: Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival
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The Montreaux Detroit Jazz Festival, I believe, is now called the Ford Detroit Jazz Festival. I went to the meeting for last years festival and it made me want to puke. Ford sponsorship was one of the main topics of the meeting, because the money givin to the jazz fest, compared to the demf, was no where near the same. I guess you can't sell Ford focuses to a jazz crowd. They had a t.v. special for the jazz fest last year and actually stopped the music while broadcasting, so the CEO of Ford could come on stage and promote there cars. This was around the time everybody was getting killed in their suv's, because of firestone tires. (I puke, again) I can honestly say that the jazz festival may not even happen in the years to come. Thanks Ford. If the Howdown had the draw that the demf does, there would be some points we could all count on: 1. Ford releases a new car called the Rodeo(smells like a steak and drives like a mechanical bull) 2. The Ceo of Ford would be walking around in a ten gallon hat 3. The festival would be called the FORD Detroit howdown 4. The festival would fold, because the sponsors would eventually move on to the next money maker. All I can be thankfull for is that I was able to perform at Montreux(when it was still montreux) and I was able to perform at the demf(when it was still the demf). ja hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm... For one, I hate media and politics- they like to make a big deal out of BS. I hear people bitch about the leech Carol Marvin all the time, but she has a committee of well-respected Detroit artists working for her now, and it is my understanding that she is good to work with. Why would any one be working with her if they didn't like her to some extent? Second, if anyone should take over the name, what about Carl Craig? It was his idea in the first place. I was surprised to read the poll in which 82% thought Derrick May should take the name. What right does he have to take it? In reality, without Pop Culture Media, there would be no (financially capable) DEMF. Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. If you read the full article, you would have noticed that the PCM president denied any rumor of selling it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ps. http://data.detnews.com/feedback/surveyletters.hbs?subject=Techno_tiff From: Catherine Eberhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:09:58 -0500 Hmmm... For one, I hate media and politics- they like to make a big deal out of BS. I hear people bitch about the leech Carol Marvin all the time, but she has a committee of well-respected Detroit artists working for her now, and it is my understanding that she is good to work with. Why would any one be working with her if they didn't like her to some extent? Second, if anyone should take over the name, what about Carl Craig? It was his idea in the first place. I was surprised to read the poll in which 82% thought Derrick May should take the name. What right does he have to take it? In reality, without Pop Culture Media, there would be no (financially capable) DEMF. Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. If you read the full article, you would have noticed that the PCM president denied any rumor of selling it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, marc christensen wrote: Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. The Montreaux Detroit Jazz Festival. Used to be that I would even miss my own professional conference for it. The best jazz festival in north america by my estimation. Perfect comparison. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. The Ford International Jazz Festival is the new name i THINK. And what is interesting with this festival is that FOR THE MOST PART it has maintained its integrity. No Kenny G. highliners...all straight ahead jazz or old school fusion. But this may be because jazz has a longer history than techno...and more people who are very very aware of what jazz is. If someone bought out the DEMF would this happen? Could be...but one argument is that it would be easier to transform the DEMF into some sort of festival that the heads wouldn't recognize, with techno's version of Kenny G. being the highliner. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, xx xx wrote: If you are involve in Jazz you know it's Montreux, not Montreaux. Or if you're an excellent speller. I won the spelling bee in 7th grade but this was a bit ago. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, Ms. Marvin's 'in' with the city in getting the DEMF approved, was due in a great part for her 'marketing' skills in obtaining media and corporate sponsorships for the Montreux Detroit Jazz Festival. Perhaps this is a cycle?...just a suggestion ;) I agree that it is a shame how the jazzfest is now represented and believe that Derrick is perhaps trying to prevent the same from happening to us. The difference between the jazzfest and the DEMF would appear to be that there are a multitude of small independent businesses and labels that have kept electronic dance music from Detroit alive in the global environment and playing field and indeed made the DEMF a viable consideration in the first place. As long as we are not representing ourselves in any more than a creative capacity with the DEMF and not in the hardcore business aspect of itit is my contention that they will attempt to marginalize, market segment, brand, slice and dice it up any way they can (most likely...distastefully) to make a profit. I believe there WAS ALWAYS a happy medium in balancing the corporate $$ and marketing of this music to mutual success---with everybody winning---I'm just not sure whether one single person should be in charge of making those decisions for an entire community. Glad that Carol has a selection committee of our peers this year. She should, however, further engage a committee of the same types to approve business plans in a like democratic manner to keep us actively involved. This has always been my premise and concern. Carol should remain at the helm, as she 'actualized' this festival--more or less. But without engaging any of us in the business and marketing of the festival, disrespect will always loom ahead and be INHERENT from our simple lack of input/presence. I think perhaps this is what Derrick is correct in standing up for. The 'DEMF' name is far more representative of a community than it is a product to be bought and sold. Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. -humbly offered You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is exactly correct, how it should be, but how can we go about doing this? As for me, I am clueless when it comes to altering corporate business into a democratic manner. There are alternate ways to go about doing this, besides what Derrick May is doing. laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/02 14:58 PM She should, however, further engage a committee of the same types to approve business plans in a like democratic manner to keep us actively involved. This has always been my premise and concern. Carol should remain at the helm, as she 'actualized' this festival--more or less. But without engaging any of us in the business and marketing of the festival, disrespect will always loom ahead and be INHERENT from our simple lack of input/presence. _ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. I guess I gave her too much credit, because registering the name would have been one of the first steps she should have taken, if your taking care of business properly... ~E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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so could one copyright the acronym DEMF insteam of detroit electronic music festival or would the lawyers shred that in court? totally off topic, -Joe - Original Message - From: Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@HYPERREAL.ORG Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. I guess I gave her too much credit, because registering the name would have been one of the first steps she should have taken, if your taking care of business properly... ~E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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her name is diana. not diane. -Original Message- From: lauryn goller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:38 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Insight i think that what nick and diane are saying is right..to use the ford motor company as basically a rich aunt and go to their festival and be glad someone forked over some cash to foot the bill for the talent that we are going to get to see and the production but yet not to be all showing gratitude by buying their car. i think somehow though that maybe demf lost a little bit of it's majick but not all...the music is free still and it's not lost any of it's quality. until i see keoki headlining, i won't bitch too much. the only problematic thing that ford focus could possibly do at this point is try and charge admission for the detroit electronic music festival somewhere down the line. they credit the success of their automobile on their ad campaign and i guess they think they can sell us more cars by sponsoring a music festival to get their automobile more attention or whatever. i don't think most of us are going to buy into it. their ad campaign is brilliant and j walter thompson (the ad agency that did the commercial in question) did a wonderful job of putting the commercial together (too bad the rest of their commercials are pure shite...i pretty much watch commercials for a living and i did a bit of research on them in the company database...heh...basically, that commercial was a one-off for them with the ford motor company who uses a few other ad agencies with a much better track record, imho. that commercial was truly a fluke.) if you read up on all the press releases done by the ! ford motor company, apparently the ad campaign did its job and sold a lot of cars. the ford focus did win awards for car of the year in both america and europe, too. i don't think it had anything to do with a bunch of technoheads buying the car, though, because i think most of us are smarter than that. i don't know a single soul personally who bought one of them and i sure know i wouldn't. i just don't know how long the ford focus sponsorship will last if their sales start dwindling. i do believe that when people start getting too much recognition for their creative efforts, a lot of the time, production quality starts disappearing. out of that, comes stagnation and the inability to further create. too many people are content to rest upon their laurels instead of being moved to innovate and forge further into their art. but there are always going to be the people who are in their basements or bedrooms who are unknown who create a sound never heard before and it will replace the same ol' same ol' and eventually, we will all come to the realization that if you don't think forward and move forward, you get left behind, just the same way a lot of producers of the past are who just don't feel the need to keep current with their ideas. there is the recognition that their material was innovative and inspiring, but i think most of us are intelligent enough to discern the difference between being good NOW and being good THEN. this is why i give recognition to cer! tain djs and producers, yet i don't feel that just because i enjoy their older stuff and they paved the way for artists whom i enjoy now, that i have to book them, listen to their stuff that has completely fallen off in quality, or buy their cds or whatever just because of who they are. too bad not everyone recognizes that. i am just glad that there will always be people out there who will make something that isn't tired and played and will produce quality releases and not just rest on past triumphs. just my personal opinions, take 'em or leave them... lauryn. -- ** nothing is an end because it can always be used as a basis for something new and different. -keith haring ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i think that what nick and diane are saying is right..to use the ford motor company as basically a rich aunt and go to their festival and be glad someone forked over some cash to foot the bill for the talent that we are going to get to see and the production but yet not to be all showing gratitude by buying their car. i think somehow though that maybe demf lost a little bit of it's majick but not all...the music is free still and it's not lost any of it's quality. until i see keoki headlining, i won't bitch too much. the only problematic thing that ford focus could possibly do at this point is try and charge admission for the detroit electronic music festival somewhere down the line. they credit the success of their automobile on their ad campaign and i guess they think they can sell us more cars by sponsoring a music festival to get their automobile more attention or whatever. i don't think most of us are going to buy into it. their ad campaign is brilliant and j walter thompson (the ad agency that did the commercial in question) did a wonderful job of putting the commercial together (too bad the rest of their commercials are pure shite...i pretty much watch commercials for a living and i did a bit of research on them in the company database...heh...basically, that commercial was a one-off for them with the ford motor company who uses a few other ad agencies with a much better track record, imho. that commercial was truly a fluke.) if you read up on all the press releases done by the ! ford motor company, apparently the ad campaign did its job and sold a lot of cars. the ford focus did win awards for car of the year in both america and europe, too. i don't think it had anything to do with a bunch of technoheads buying the car, though, because i think most of us are smarter than that. i don't know a single soul personally who bought one of them and i sure know i wouldn't. i just don't know how long the ford focus sponsorship will last if their sales start dwindling. i do believe that when people start getting too much recognition for their creative efforts, a lot of the time, production quality starts disappearing. out of that, comes stagnation and the inability to further create. too many people are content to rest upon their laurels instead of being moved to innovate and forge further into their art. but there are always going to be the people who are in their basements or bedrooms who are unknown who create a sound never heard before and it will replace the same ol' same ol' and eventually, we will all come to the realization that if you don't think forward and move forward, you get left behind, just the same way a lot of producers of the past are who just don't feel the need to keep current with their ideas. there is the recognition that their material was innovative and inspiring, but i think most of us are intelligent enough to discern the difference between being good NOW and being good THEN. this is why i give recognition to cer! tain djs and producers, yet i don't feel that just because i enjoy their older stuff and they paved the way for artists whom i enjoy now, that i have to book them, listen to their stuff that has completely fallen off in quality, or buy their cds or whatever just because of who they are. too bad not everyone recognizes that. i am just glad that there will always be people out there who will make something that isn't tired and played and will produce quality releases and not just rest on past triumphs. just my personal opinions, take 'em or leave them... lauryn. -- ** nothing is an end because it can always be used as a basis for something new and different. -keith haring ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** --
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i don't know whether he wrote it for the ad, but it was released in the UK under the name tyre trax after the ad was aired over hear. if I remember right, he got paid around £50k. it did rock, both the ad and the track. MJ ran across NY bay, and up the statue of liberty - it was pretty cool FX, and in away kind reminiscent of the chris cunningham style (although it was several years before they started working together...) - Original Message - From: Max Duley (ARCart) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [313] Interesting Insight Aphex Twin doing a Pirelli ad? Does anyone remember that? It was really good. It had Michael Johnson (I think) sprinting across a large flat surface with a thin layer of water on it, with one of the most mental tracks from the early Caustic Windows release slamming to the rhythm of his strides. I heard Richard got paid a vast amount of money for that, and he didn't even write it for the ad. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i don't know whether he wrote it for the ad, but it was released in the UK under the name tyre trax after the ad was aired over hear. It had been around for a couple of years on the 3rd Caustic Window EP on Rephlex.
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yeah...i think it may have been a re-named, re-release after the ad. - Original Message - From: Max Duley (ARCart) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [313] Interesting Insight i don't know whether he wrote it for the ad, but it was released in the UK under the name tyre trax after the ad was aired over hear. It had been around for a couple of years on the 3rd Caustic Window EP on Rephlex. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I caught this re-run of Frontline last night also. Watching the show, it was hard not to think of the Ford marketing campaign with regard to Techno. There were many parallels between what marketing firms do with regard to selling to teens and how Ford is marketing the Focus. It would be interesting to see the results of the focus (no pun intended) groups Ford conducted with people in their late teens and early 20s to determine what is 'cool.' Seemingly, they discovered the techno/electronic music/rave/dance scene. They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Considering the type of people who attend these types of events along with other 'rave' type events are mostly white, upper-class kids in their late teens and early 20s who can afford a Focus. A Focus is after all, the lowest class of car Ford makes. The best thing Ford can do is make it appealing to those who can afford it. Marketers are the best sociologists. Cheers. From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting Insight Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:39:20 -0400 Mildly offtopic, and I apologize in advance http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ Documentary on the feedback loop between what 's cool and what marketers use to be down with teens. Conclusion is that Detroit's own ICP is ripe for being co-opted. KISS2 anyone? I'm thankful that true Detroit techno escaped by virtue of its happening early enough, and under the radar. What I wonder though: Detroit has a tradition of musical innovation, which might be subject to greater attention in the near future. What other scenes are still virgin and raging? -- There4IM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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interesting fact... last year, ford was promoting the focus, by choosing cool scenesters and giving them cars. in nyc, jackie christie (formerly of the d) got one... peace, h -Original Message- From: John Sokolowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Insight I caught this re-run of Frontline last night also. Watching the show, it was hard not to think of the Ford marketing campaign with regard to Techno. There were many parallels between what marketing firms do with regard to selling to teens and how Ford is marketing the Focus. It would be interesting to see the results of the focus (no pun intended) groups Ford conducted with people in their late teens and early 20s to determine what is 'cool.' Seemingly, they discovered the techno/electronic music/rave/dance scene. They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Considering the type of people who attend these types of events along with other 'rave' type events are mostly white, upper-class kids in their late teens and early 20s who can afford a Focus. A Focus is after all, the lowest class of car Ford makes. The best thing Ford can do is make it appealing to those who can afford it. Marketers are the best sociologists. Cheers. From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting Insight Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:39:20 -0400 Mildly offtopic, and I apologize in advance http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ Documentary on the feedback loop between what 's cool and what marketers use to be down with teens. Conclusion is that Detroit's own ICP is ripe for being co-opted. KISS2 anyone? I'm thankful that true Detroit techno escaped by virtue of its happening early enough, and under the radar. What I wonder though: Detroit has a tradition of musical innovation, which might be subject to greater attention in the near future. What other scenes are still virgin and raging? -- There4IM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Definitely better than those awful Focus commercials shot in front of the State Theater (?), with a scary-makeup'ed, middle-aged pitchwoman interpreting all the cool things that kids are saying about the car... One of the kids says slammin' tunes 24/7, then she turns to the camera and says quality stereo. Makes me retch much more than most car commercials. .john.
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jesus... i hate it when there are commas where they don't belong. i apologize to anyone this typo caused pain. -Original Message- From: Holly MacDonald-Korth Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:36 AM To: 'John Sokolowski'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Interesting Insight interesting fact... last year, ford was promoting the focus, by choosing cool scenesters and giving them cars. in nyc, jackie christie (formerly of the d) got one... peace, h -Original Message- From: John Sokolowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Insight I caught this re-run of Frontline last night also. Watching the show, it was hard not to think of the Ford marketing campaign with regard to Techno. There were many parallels between what marketing firms do with regard to selling to teens and how Ford is marketing the Focus. It would be interesting to see the results of the focus (no pun intended) groups Ford conducted with people in their late teens and early 20s to determine what is 'cool.' Seemingly, they discovered the techno/electronic music/rave/dance scene. They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Considering the type of people who attend these types of events along with other 'rave' type events are mostly white, upper-class kids in their late teens and early 20s who can afford a Focus. A Focus is after all, the lowest class of car Ford makes. The best thing Ford can do is make it appealing to those who can afford it. Marketers are the best sociologists. Cheers. From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting Insight Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:39:20 -0400 Mildly offtopic, and I apologize in advance http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ Documentary on the feedback loop between what 's cool and what marketers use to be down with teens. Conclusion is that Detroit's own ICP is ripe for being co-opted. KISS2 anyone? I'm thankful that true Detroit techno escaped by virtue of its happening early enough, and under the radar. What I wonder though: Detroit has a tradition of musical innovation, which might be subject to greater attention in the near future. What other scenes are still virgin and raging? -- There4IM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A couple of weeks ago en route to Toronto I parked my car at the satellite Parking lot called ParkEx and got on the shuttle bus the next guy on asked if my equipment was camera equipment. Turns out it was David Fanning the executive producer of Nightline. We had a nice chat on the way to the terminals and he asked me what I thought about that specific episode. Frontline is a great show and highly recommended. Telepathic regards, fRED on 5/2/01 11:28 AM, John Sokolowski at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I caught this re-run of Frontline last night also. Watching the show, it was hard not to think of the Ford marketing campaign with regard to Techno. There were many parallels between what marketing firms do with regard to selling to teens and how Ford is marketing the Focus. It would be interesting to see the results of the focus (no pun intended) groups Ford conducted with people in their late teens and early 20s to determine what is 'cool.' Seemingly, they discovered the techno/electronic music/rave/dance scene. They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Considering the type of people who attend these types of events along with other 'rave' type events are mostly white, upper-class kids in their late teens and early 20s who can afford a Focus. A Focus is after all, the lowest class of car Ford makes. The best thing Ford can do is make it appealing to those who can afford it. Marketers are the best sociologists. Cheers. From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting Insight Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:39:20 -0400 Mildly offtopic, and I apologize in advance http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ Documentary on the feedback loop between what 's cool and what marketers use to be down with teens. Conclusion is that Detroit's own ICP is ripe for being co-opted. KISS2 anyone? I'm thankful that true Detroit techno escaped by virtue of its happening early enough, and under the radar. What I wonder though: Detroit has a tradition of musical innovation, which might be subject to greater attention in the near future. What other scenes are still virgin and raging? -- There4IM Upcoming Live Electronic Demonstrations: May 25th - Detroit Electronic Music Fest http://www.electronicmusicfest.com/lineup/index.html -- TELEPATHICA - P.O.B.80337 - Boston, MA 02180-0010 FX 978-741-8901 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeah ... can you tell that's a dealer spot and not national advertising? :) someone should digitize that for listmembers abroad. it's quite awful. -d At 11:40 AM -0400 5/2/01, John Bush wrote: They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Definitely better than those awful Focus commercials shot in front of the State Theater (?), with a scary-makeup'ed, middle-aged pitchwoman interpreting all the cool things that kids are saying about the car... One of the kids says slammin' tunes 24/7, then she turns to the camera and says quality stereo. Makes me retch much more than most car commercials. .john. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I saw the mid-end of this last night. It's been one of the better things I've seen on tv lately. In the end I thought 'electronic music is next for the bastardizing whip'. I now understand why MTV USA has left it alone for the most part and chooses to remain publically ignorant.Because it doesn't appeal to the mook. (The part about buying programming completely fit in with the 'cheapo' reputation MTV has amongst production houses.) From someone who's into the repeat cycles of society, culture and the younger gens etc. I found the show really interesting and thought provoking. I think the most disturbing image was the room full of 11 year olds and early teens taking a break at the 'model search' to pump and grind on one another. I also found it interesting that the ICP crowd thinks sticking up the middle finger is the most interesting way to 'fight the man'. I wondered why these people channel that energy into anger instead of creativity. Why it was their minds went that way instead of others. I'll stop there...like i said...thought provoking. Basically, what it boils down to is...unless we break the cycle-we're our own worst enemy. *Re the part about ford: Ford is trying to label or brand Detroit techno.They want to own this. They want to reach a point where 'techno=cool=fun=Ford' and one owes itself to the other. I owe this eye opener to Miss G. The only way they'll own it is if its allowed. I'm not saying ban the DEMF or Ford's money. But rather, use them as the rich aunt. Sure, throw the money around all you want-but it doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to praise you or acknowledge you in my life liner notes. on a lighter note if you're in Ann Arbor, MI get on down to Stucci's and Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream-it's free ice cream for lunch day.:) tc d sorry so long. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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isn't that the lady who sings the national anthem at the red wing games? *shrug* luomo rawks. -Original Message- From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:22 PM To: John Bush; 313; John Sokolowski Subject: RE: [313] Interesting Insight yeah ... can you tell that's a dealer spot and not national advertising? :) someone should digitize that for listmembers abroad. it's quite awful. -d At 11:40 AM -0400 5/2/01, John Bush wrote: They have a great marketing plan with sponsoring the DEMF and Moby tour. Definitely better than those awful Focus commercials shot in front of the State Theater (?), with a scary-makeup'ed, middle-aged pitchwoman interpreting all the cool things that kids are saying about the car... One of the kids says slammin' tunes 24/7, then she turns to the camera and says quality stereo. Makes me retch much more than most car commercials. .john. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What a wicked post... A last a chance for some REAL discussion Basically, what it boils down to is...unless we break the cycle-we're our own worst enemy. *Re the part about ford: Ford is trying to label or brand Detroit techno.They want to own this. They want to reach a point where 'techno=cool=fun=Ford' and one owes itself to the other. I owe this eye opener to Miss G. The only way they'll own it is if its allowed. I'm not saying ban the DEMF or Ford's money. But rather, use them as the rich aunt. Sure, throw the money around all you want-but it doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to praise you or acknowledge you in my life liner notes. Totally, I've mentioned this before ages ago... There're a lot of people involved in this scene at roots level. If there're people at this level then it can never become commercial and it will never be possible to stick it in it's own special rack in HMV or Tower... Detroit techno is just to broad. Example... There is still good underground hip hop about despite the fact that it's all in the charts (stateside and in Europe) and has sprung in and out of fashion a few times over the past 20 years. The reason for this is that it's easy to produce and there're lots of kids at roots level that can just pick up a mike and MC without even considering getting a big record deal... That's when the best music is made... In fact, I spoke to a mate about this the other day. We came to the conclusion that most legendary bands and artists only ever produce one really great album, the first one... Then they start making money and there's no enthusiasm to create good new music anymore... Not true for all bands tho obviously. This links with the recent posts about secertive producers... Lots of producers have released stuff on UR but are never credited and they don't care. That's one of the reasons the label is so good and so true to detroit techno... What do you think? Nick:) Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
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I just watched that video of the woman from Look-Look online mag hunting down cool teen street culture. Ugh, f*ing parasitic job... I don't think I could do that and sleep at night. I doubt that having tatoos and and multiple piercings is really underground and different. Everyone in that video had them... Yeah, I think that Detroit techno and most other techno will escape more or less intact becasuse it's not the visual circus that mook music is. Other scenes that are still virgin is the reggae music scene. Most people don't know anything past Bob Marley. I just saw Mad Prof. and the venue was not even half full and slowly emptied out... people not understanding the Jamacian soundsystem/DJ/MC thing. MEK From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Music Institute 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Interesting Insight Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:39:20 -0400 Mildly offtopic, and I apologize in advance http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ Documentary on the feedback loop between what 's cool and what marketers use to be down with teens. Conclusion is that Detroit's own ICP is ripe for being co-opted. KISS2 anyone? I'm thankful that true Detroit techno escaped by virtue of its happening early enough, and under the radar. What I wonder though: Detroit has a tradition of musical innovation, which might be subject to greater attention in the near future. What other scenes are still virgin and raging? -- There4IM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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In the end I thought 'electronic music is next for the bastardizing whip'. yes and no. If you remember the chemical brothers/prodigy fiasco, that was mass media's attempt at bankin on electronica. and it was a huge flop. but that could've been because they overcompensated on their we need to water this down so its familiar plans. electronica maybe had just a LITTLE too much rock in it. anyone see the Tire commercial on TV with timo maas's production crew's song dooms night? Maybe mass media has realized that watering down the music isn't the answer to popularity. who knows. I now understand why MTV USA has left it alone for the most part and chooses to remain publically ignorant. back to said chemical prodigy fiasco. Both groups' videos on mtv did HORRIBLE (except for smack my bitch up, which was ironically pulled and was one of my favorite videos of all time). I also found it interesting that the ICP crowd thinks sticking up the middle finger is the most interesting way to 'fight the man'. its their most interesting way to make money off of fighting the man. that's why. Its like Rage against the machine, FUCK SOCIETY, FUCK THE GOVERNMENT, FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT, but please buy our records and T shirts and 40 dollar concert tickets. Its their business. Another example of the pure genius of the Riaa: they can take anything and turn it into profit, even the hate for themselves. Basically, what it boils down to is...unless we break the cycle-we're our own worst enemy. but let me ask you this: WHY should we break the cycle? This cycle has been a part of the human society machine since the very begining of our existence, except it used to be called Culture and not Mass Media. The Masses Control themselves; the importance of belonging is so important they will supercede their own impulses to do what a group is doing. The way i see it, there's 3 groups in Society (not an original thought, but i think it needs to be reiterated here). Group one are those who follow Mass Media as much as possible. They're the biggest. there's group 2 who goes against mass media's influence, and in turn, are just as much a bunch of followers and such as group one. then there's group 3 who just doesn't give a fuck. They don't listen to said music style Abecause it makes them look smart and they don't ignore music style B because they'll look dumb. They just follow their own impulses (not completely: they still have been influenced by culture somehow) ok, i'll shut up. Shiat, i wrote that as if it was never said before. I owe this eye opener to Miss G. miss G. The only way they'll own it is if its allowed. I'm not saying ban the DEMF or Ford's money. But rather, use them as the rich aunt. Sure, throw the money around all you want-but it doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to praise you or acknowledge you in my life liner notes. well said. There's nothing wrong with corporate sponsorship, there IS something wrong with corporations wanting to control it through their sponsorship. on a lighter note if you're in Ann Arbor, MI get on down to Stucci's and Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream-it's free ice cream for lunch day.:) so not fair. I moved from ypsi/ann arbor a year ago. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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[Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] yes and no. If you remember the chemical brothers/prodigy fiasco, that was mass media's attempt at bankin on electronica. and it was a huge flop. If you consider Prodigy a flop, I'm not sure what your standards for success are. They were the top selling band in the US for 1998 (yes, even bigger than the Spice Girls, who were at their prime then). anyone see the Tire commercial on TV with timo maas's production crew's song dooms night? Maybe mass media has realized that watering down the music isn't the answer to popularity. who knows. Well the Timo Maas remix of Doom's Night is absolutely massive in Europe, I'd be surprised if nobody used it. It's just sad that so much good music is used in commercials in the US. Even music that is quite out there. Alec Empire doing a car commercial? Aphex Twin doing a Pirelli ad? -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
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On Wed, 2 May 2001, atomly wrote: Aphex Twin doing a Pirelli ad? What's weirder is hearing an Aphex Twin song in an anti-drug ad. -- Cafard, [EMAIL PROTECTED] qu'est-ce que tu penses? AIM:pr0j2501 Matt Kane's Brain http://mkb.n3.net ===jive turkey http://jive-turkey.n3.net===
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[mkb [EMAIL PROTECTED]] What's weirder is hearing an Aphex Twin song in an anti-drug ad. What, are they saying if you do drugs, you'll end up crazy like this guy? -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
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If you consider Prodigy a flop, I'm not sure what your standards for success are. Its not that *I* consider prodigy a flop, its that the big boys thought they were. even though that album sold a lot, the Record Labels still didn't stick the groups into the 1-album-a-yea-until-people-are-sick-of-you routine that they do with other groups. I guess i attributed that to they thought they made all the money they could on it. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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[Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] even though that album sold a lot, the Record Labels still didn't stick the groups into the 1-album-a-yea-until-people-are-sick-of-you routine that they do with other groups. I guess i attributed that to they thought they made all the money they could on it. Well, another part of the problem was probably that the Prodigy had enough clout from all their #1 singles in the UK that they didn't take shit from the US record companies. I still love the fact that they wanted to release The Fat of The Land as The Land of The Fat in the US. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly
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Aphex Twin doing a Pirelli ad? Does anyone remember that? It was really good. It had Michael Johnson (I think) sprinting across a large flat surface with a thin layer of water on it, with one of the most mental tracks from the early Caustic Windows release slamming to the rhythm of his strides. I heard Richard got paid a vast amount of money for that, and he didn't even write it for the ad.
