Re: DEMF 2015

[Weston Prince]

https://soundcloud.com/ed612313/model-500-juan-atkins-live-at-movement-2015-hart-plaza-detroit-24-may-2015
 


Cheers,

Wes
https://soundcloud.com/westonprince 

> On 13/06/2015, at 5:55 pm, jeremy bispo  wrote:
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/keith-kemp/keith-kemp-opening-dj-set-main-stage-movement-may-2015
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Christopher L. Smith
>  wrote:
>> Anyone know where to get sets from DEMF 2015?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best,
> Jeremy
> 
> As You Like It
> Founder & Executive Producer
> www.ayli-sf.com

Re: DEMF 2015

[jeremy bispo]

https://soundcloud.com/keith-kemp/keith-kemp-opening-dj-set-main-stage-movement-may-2015

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Christopher L. Smith
 wrote:
> Anyone know where to get sets from DEMF 2015?
>
> Thanks.
>



-- 
Best,
Jeremy

As You Like It
Founder & Executive Producer
www.ayli-sf.com

Re: DEMF Post Op?

[Thorin Teague]

I also haven't been able to make it for several years, sadly. I would love
to hear any music anyone has to post from the fest.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Arturo Lopez 
wrote:

> How'd it go this year? I couldn't make it due to an upcoming germany
> trip, but some of you might be recovering enough for a write-up?
>
> Standout afterparties? Festival Proper? Any of those tracks you kept
> hearing sprinkled throughout?
>
> -Arturo
>

(313) Re: DEMF Schedule Released!!!

[Andy Mitchell]

> http://www.movement.us/?p=1752
>
> Derrick May, Robert Hood and Inner City all at the same time!?!?
>
> Good gooly!! That puts me in a very difficult situation.

Good gooly, I just went to www.demf.com looking for this... Does anyone
know if Carl ever got his $14,099.93?

RE: (313) relax re: demf

[Odeluga, Ken]

http://www.discogs.com/release/66299

-Original Message-
From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) relax re: demf


Well it's pretty obvious that Kwame's problems go way beyond thinking
with his dick. I never meant to justify all the other crap he's
allegedly pulled.

I was trying to make a pretty specific small point, not justify a whole
range of high crimes and misdemeanors, either in Clinton or Kilpatrick's
case.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM, theREALmxyzptlk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> k A gentleman doesn't kiss and
>  > tell.  Hauling someone up on perjury charges for trying to keep a  
> > private matter private is BS -- it's the same as Clinton's  > 
> impeachment.
>
>
>  Gentlemen usually don't fire those who investigate them (ruining
>  careers) and help waste 9 million badly needed city dollars to cover
the
>   mess either...
>  Concisely, I wasn't a fly on the wall and am therefore not privy to 
> the  actuals, but from what I CAN see, the analogy above needs some 
> work.
>

RE: (313) relax re: demf

[Robert Taylor]

Sounds like an episode of The Wire 


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Sent: 26 March 2008 21:55
To: kent williams; Odeluga, Ken
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) relax re: demf

gentlemen dont cheat on their wives, possibly conspire in the
police-murder of a stripper, cover up 2 investigations, obstruct
justice, fire police investigating his crimes, and then settle it all
with 9 million dollars of taxpayer money that the city of detroit simply
can't afford to pay out.

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Re: (313) relax re: demf

[kent williams]

Well it's pretty obvious that Kwame's problems go way beyond thinking
with his dick. I never meant to justify all the other crap he's
allegedly pulled.

I was trying to make a pretty specific small point, not justify a
whole range of high crimes and misdemeanors, either in Clinton or
Kilpatrick's case.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM, theREALmxyzptlk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> k A gentleman doesn't kiss and
>  > tell.  Hauling someone up on perjury charges for trying to keep a
>  > private matter private is BS -- it's the same as Clinton's
>  > impeachment.
>
>
>  Gentlemen usually don't fire those who investigate them (ruining
>  careers) and help waste 9 million badly needed city dollars to cover the
>   mess either...
>  Concisely, I wasn't a fly on the wall and am therefore not privy to the
>  actuals, but from what I CAN see, the analogy above needs some work.
>

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[theREALmxyzptlk]

k A gentleman doesn't kiss and

tell.  Hauling someone up on perjury charges for trying to keep a
private matter private is BS -- it's the same as Clinton's
impeachment.



Gentlemen usually don't fire those who investigate them (ruining 
careers) and help waste 9 million badly needed city dollars to cover the 
 mess either...
Concisely, I wasn't a fly on the wall and am therefore not privy to the 
actuals, but from what I CAN see, the analogy above needs some work.



jeff

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

and 25% worth the effort

;-)

MEK

"/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/26/2008 04:56:15 PM:

> that lineup is ~30 percent complete, btw
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "M Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: (313) relax re: demf
>
>
> > From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already
> > expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully)
> > and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of
> > Paxahau, which is great.
> >
> > In turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of
> > Paxahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you
> > feel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write
> > to them directly?
> >
> > If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at
> > least we should be too.
> >
> > We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in
> > Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, kent williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>  > Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the
festival
> >>  >  in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order
to
> >>  >  survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
> >>  >  better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking.
> >>  >  Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.
> >>
> >>  a little latitude is one thing. how much do they need? the quality of
> >>  the crap they book keeps going down, more and more lowest common
> >>  denominator nonsense. girl talk is a serious joke. as for moby, i am
> >>  at least willing to say he could possibly do something decent. i'm
not
> >>  expecting it but i can't be that mad at that particular booking. but
> >>  girltalk? the cool kids? this is turning into ironic hipster fest 08.
> >>
> >>  tom
> >>
> >
>

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[/0]

that lineup is ~30 percent complete, btw

- Original Message - 
From: "M Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: (313) relax re: demf



From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already
expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully)
and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of
Paxahau, which is great.

In turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of
Paxahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you
feel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write
to them directly?

If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at
least we should be too.

We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in
Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

 > Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the festival
 >  in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order to
 >  survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
 >  better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking.
 >  Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.

 a little latitude is one thing. how much do they need? the quality of
 the crap they book keeps going down, more and more lowest common
 denominator nonsense. girl talk is a serious joke. as for moby, i am
 at least willing to say he could possibly do something decent. i'm not
 expecting it but i can't be that mad at that particular booking. but
 girltalk? the cool kids? this is turning into ironic hipster fest 08.

 tom

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[/0]

gentlemen dont cheat on their wives, possibly conspire in the police-murder 
of a stripper, cover up 2 investigations, obstruct justice, fire police 
investigating his crimes, and then settle it all with 9 million dollars of 
taxpayer money that the city of detroit simply can't afford to pay out.


suprisingly, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you, Kent.

the issue with Clinton wasnt the deed, it was lying about it in a court of 
law.  there is a time for absolute truth.


using city-issued blackberries to hook up extra-marital booty calls with 
your chief aide isn't exactly genius either.



- Original Message - 
From: "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: (313) relax re: demf



I think everyone wanted Kwame to be a great mayor for Detroit. Sadly
it was not to be.  I don't care where he dips his wick -- that's his
own business.  But there are plenty of ways he's loused up the
business of the City as well.

And I don't know all the facts of the case, either. But one thing I do
know, that I was taught as a young boy: A gentleman doesn't kiss and
tell.  Hauling someone up on perjury charges for trying to keep a
private matter private is BS -- it's the same as Clinton's
impeachment.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

OK. Fair enough Kent.

 In passing, speaking of The City:

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340939,00.html

 Yes, I too do not know all the facts, so can't make any comment either
 way, even were it my place to do so.

 And I'm not making any comment one way or the other about the source
 having anything to do with the veracity of the story. Not at all. Would
 never do that.

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Martin Dust]

 Evolution is part of life
  

but this is deevolution.

tom



I'd love to see Devo at DEMF ;)

Spudboy

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM, U&I Design
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Evolution is part of life.

but this is deevolution.

tom

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[U&I Design]

I can't help but compare this thread to discussions I've heard about
the evolution of the Winter Music Conference..  over the years the
conference has evolved completely into a festival of mass proportions.

Or even comparing it to the debate I used to hear over and over again
about Vinyl vs CD, turntables vs Laptop.
Evolution is part of life.
It sometimes doesn't matter how much better you think it used to be.
And to be fair...  was it really that good at the beginning?  I
mean... yeah, the music line-ups were amazing...  but were the bills
to the production staff paid...? No...  causing a lot of people in
this city to struggle in one capacity or another...  I know one person
who was owed $9,000 after a fest w/ Carol... that was only one person
out of the many people that filed lawsuits trying to get their money,
but no luck... and this was during the years that the city invested an
est. $300,000 a year in DEMF.
So...  DEMF has changed... the city no longer invests like that...
they have to fund it all themselves...  the music line-ups have
changed...  and people are actually getting paid what they were
promised...  some things are for the better...  don't get me wrong, I
can come up with 50 things they should do that could make it better
and another 20 things I'm angry that they changed, but I recognize
that it's a bit foolish to try to stop change, and even more foolish
to think DEMF the first 3 years were the perfect symbol for what DEMF
should be




On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:03 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, and technically, I don't think it is "DEMF"
>  afaik Carol Marvin owns "DEMF"
>
>  what Paxahau is doing is "Movement"
>
>  I've come to the conclusion that, although they both have taken place in
>  the same place and the same annual dates, the festivals are two different
>  things with two almost entirely different spirits
>
>  Paxahau's "Movement" festival isn't "DEMF", although it does use the tag
>  line - "Detroit's Electronic Music Festival"
>  It's not THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival
>  The Detroit Electronic Music Festival doesn't exist anymore and more than
>  likely will never again
>  I'm glad I got to experience it - it was during a time when they could get
>  away with bringing in THAT much talent, legendary artists that  I REALLY
>  respect without asking for any money from any of the fans
>  Celebrating Detroit, Detroit music, Detroit electronic music, and 1st
>  through 3rd (and 4th) waves of Detroit influence
>
>  splitting hairs maybe but I've pretty much come to realize that Paxahau
>  probably don't feel any obligation or need to keep the festival in line
>  with the original spirit of the original DEMF
>  Therefore, Paxahau isn't soiling the legacy of the DEMF because they aren't
>  doing THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival
>
>  I'm happy that I can say "I was there when..."
>  It might never happen again but how often do those times get repeated
>  anyway?
>
>  well, those are my coping skills explained anyway  ;-)
>
>  MEK
>
>  "Arturo Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/26/2008 01:05:41 PM:
>
>
>
>  > This isn't
>  > trance-cracker raver fest, it's DEMF.
>
>

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Actually, and technically, I don't think it is "DEMF"
afaik Carol Marvin owns "DEMF"

what Paxahau is doing is "Movement"

I've come to the conclusion that, although they both have taken place in
the same place and the same annual dates, the festivals are two different
things with two almost entirely different spirits

Paxahau's "Movement" festival isn't "DEMF", although it does use the tag
line - "Detroit's Electronic Music Festival"
It's not THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival
The Detroit Electronic Music Festival doesn't exist anymore and more than
likely will never again
I'm glad I got to experience it - it was during a time when they could get
away with bringing in THAT much talent, legendary artists that  I REALLY
respect without asking for any money from any of the fans
Celebrating Detroit, Detroit music, Detroit electronic music, and 1st
through 3rd (and 4th) waves of Detroit influence

splitting hairs maybe but I've pretty much come to realize that Paxahau
probably don't feel any obligation or need to keep the festival in line
with the original spirit of the original DEMF
Therefore, Paxahau isn't soiling the legacy of the DEMF because they aren't
doing THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival

I'm happy that I can say "I was there when..."
It might never happen again but how often do those times get repeated
anyway?

well, those are my coping skills explained anyway  ;-)

MEK

"Arturo Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/26/2008 01:05:41 PM:

> This isn't
> trance-cracker raver fest, it's DEMF.

(313) relax re: demf

[Arturo Lopez]

I agree with Mike and Tom.

Perhaps someone could tell me: How does the festival in it's current
incarnation reflect/celebrate the city and culture it is/was supposed
to represent?

If the current idea is just to fill up the place, then these bookings
make plenty of sense.  If they are actually trying to be "true to the
spirit" for lack of a better phrase, then this is a cruel joke.  This
is an important distinction.  I think a lot of people on the list
would be much happier with a smaller festival of good music, building
on a reputation of quality, than a capacity crowd of fluff acts.
That's obviously not what's happening, though, as we've been seeing
over the last few years.

The idea that this festival should be "bringing in more people" as a
bottom line, is really problematic.  I think it's a terrible idea to
appeal to the lowest common denominator musically.  This isn't
trance-cracker raver fest, it's DEMF.  There is no lack of alternative
music festivals featuring a wide range of -other- electronic music.
If people are upset, it's because this thing looks more
run-of-the-mill every single year.  And I'm not saying this should be
'techno only;' I've heard exceptional live house, jazz, freestyle
rappers in impromptu circles, the whole spectrum over the years in the
plaza.  What I see lately are generic tents filled with flavor of the
month artists and flavor of the month styles.  I don't think anyone
can make a valid case that the quality has gone UP year after year. If
you disagree I'd love to hear so, but please keep it civil.

-Arturo

p.s. Sorry if this starts a new thread, working out email kinks at work...

RE: (313) relax re: demf

[Stoddard, Kamal]

>From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already
>expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully)
>and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of
>Paxahau, which is great.

Yeah, but they live there, which means they can give support by simply
having the right attitude and saying a few words to other POI. Being a
person of "influence" means they probably won't pay a dime to get in
either. Support by a guy from London means plane tickets, hotels,
attitude, and much more effort. Ask yourself, if these "people of
influence" would fly across an ocean to come to this festival on their
own hard earned dime after having their views disregarded. Bet not.

>n turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of
>axahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you
>eel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write
>o them directly?

Being a person of distinct non-influence in Detroit, I have a hard time
seeing the logic in that given the disregard for others they've already
displayed. And as Tom said, not my job.

>If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at
>least we should be too.

Never really been a bandwagon type. I got my own head.

>We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in
>Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see.

Bullshxt. We write about what we like and dislike. It just so happens
that there're more things to dislike every year. That sucks and I think
it needs to be said. Can you give me a few things that you like about
this years festival that were not there before? Go on, think about it.
Any new sick Detroit talent that never got exposed? Cool new directions?
New concepts for stages?
...Thought not. Now how about new things that suck? Yep got the list
rolling out like toilet paper. 




Kamal "I can't believe I just replied to this thread again" Stoddard

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

I think it's important to discuss both the likes and dislikes
if you only discuss what you like then the things you don't get swept under
the carpet and they'll think "well, nobody complained"

Interesting that Paxahau isn't listening to these "people with influence"
Is their sense of independence fierce or arrogant?  Seems like there is
this concerted effort on their part to break off from the "old" Detroit.

MEK

"M Ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/26/2008 10:27:58 AM:

> From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already
> expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully)
> and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of
> Paxahau, which is great.
>
> In turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of
> Paxahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you
> feel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write
> to them directly?
>
> If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at
> least we should be too.
>
> We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in
> Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see.
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, kent williams
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the
festival
> >  >  in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order
to
> >  >  survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
> >  >  better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking.
> >  >  Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.
> >
> >  a little latitude is one thing. how much do they need? the quality of
> >  the crap they book keeps going down, more and more lowest common
> >  denominator nonsense. girl talk is a serious joke. as for moby, i am
> >  at least willing to say he could possibly do something decent. i'm not
> >  expecting it but i can't be that mad at that particular booking. but
> >  girltalk? the cool kids? this is turning into ironic hipster fest 08.
> >
> >  tom
> >

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:27 AM, M Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already
>  expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully)
>  and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of
>  Paxahau, which is great.

i feel less and less like this festival has anything to do with
detroit every year. nothing about that is great. if detroit is really
so starved for bad music, the people should just move anywhere else.
there is no shortage of crap like girltalk in any city in the US. if
detroit really doesnt get that, people should be thankful for it.

>  In turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of
>  Paxahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you
>  feel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write
>  to them directly?

it is not my job to do that.

>  If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at
>  least we should be too.

the community on the ground? who is that exactly?

>  We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in
>  Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see.

i disagree.

tom

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[M Ng]

>From what I know, certain people in Detroit with influence already
expressed their views (ie take a break this year and plan carefully)
and Paxahau chose to go on. These people are still supportive of
Paxahau, which is great.

In turn, I just feel we should now be at least be supportive of
Paxahau, rather than write off and whinge about everything. If you
feel so strongly about the steps they have taken, why not just write
to them directly?

If the community on the ground in Detroit is being supportive, then at
least we should be too.

We should be writing about the things we are excited to see in
Detroit, rather than the things we don't want to see.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the festival
>  >  in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order to
>  >  survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
>  >  better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking.
>  >  Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.
>
>  a little latitude is one thing. how much do they need? the quality of
>  the crap they book keeps going down, more and more lowest common
>  denominator nonsense. girl talk is a serious joke. as for moby, i am
>  at least willing to say he could possibly do something decent. i'm not
>  expecting it but i can't be that mad at that particular booking. but
>  girltalk? the cool kids? this is turning into ironic hipster fest 08.
>
>  tom
>

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the festival
>  in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order to
>  survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
>  better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking.
>  Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.

a little latitude is one thing. how much do they need? the quality of
the crap they book keeps going down, more and more lowest common
denominator nonsense. girl talk is a serious joke. as for moby, i am
at least willing to say he could possibly do something decent. i'm not
expecting it but i can't be that mad at that particular booking. but
girltalk? the cool kids? this is turning into ironic hipster fest 08.

tom

Re: (313) relax re: demf

[kent williams]

I think everyone wanted Kwame to be a great mayor for Detroit. Sadly
it was not to be.  I don't care where he dips his wick -- that's his
own business.  But there are plenty of ways he's loused up the
business of the City as well.

And I don't know all the facts of the case, either. But one thing I do
know, that I was taught as a young boy: A gentleman doesn't kiss and
tell.  Hauling someone up on perjury charges for trying to keep a
private matter private is BS -- it's the same as Clinton's
impeachment.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK. Fair enough Kent.
>
>  In passing, speaking of The City:
>
>  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340939,00.html
>
>  Yes, I too do not know all the facts, so can't make any comment either
>  way, even were it my place to do so.
>
>  And I'm not making any comment one way or the other about the source
>  having anything to do with the veracity of the story. Not at all. Would
>  never do that.
>

RE: (313) relax re: demf

[Odeluga, Ken]

OK. Fair enough Kent.

In passing, speaking of The City:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340939,00.html

Yes, I too do not know all the facts, so can't make any comment either
way, even were it my place to do so. 

And I'm not making any comment one way or the other about the source
having anything to do with the veracity of the story. Not at all. Would
never do that.

(Not nowadays anyway.)

There are reasons to be a little bit gladder and reasons to be sadder
however true it turns out to be, naturally.

Ken


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Subject: (313) relax re: demf


Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the festival in
terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order to
survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking. Since
it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.

Maybe some kids will come for Girltalk, some Prius-driving middle
managers will come for Moby, and have their minds blown by Carl Craig or
Dan Bell, or TP.  Stranger things have happened.

By the way, Girltalk has MAD draw. I went to the Dan Deacon/Girl Talk
show here in Iowa because my son paid for a ticket and had to be out of
town, and because I don't mind Dan Deacon.  There was a crowd TWICE what
the fire marshall allows.

I don't know about Moby as a draw though. I knew him a little back in
the day via the Internets; I bet he sincerely is excited and honored to
play the festival.  He might suck, or he might surprise people. He's not
without a modicum of talent and intelligence.

(313) relax re: demf

[kent williams]

Given that a) the City of Detroit can't or won't support the festival
in terms of paying for insurance and crowd control and b) in order to
survive, the festival needs to at least break even, maybe it's the
better part of valor to give Paxahau a little latitude on booking.
Since it isn't the 313-list Electronic Music Festival.

Maybe some kids will come for Girltalk, some Prius-driving middle
managers will come for Moby, and have their minds blown by Carl Craig
or Dan Bell, or TP.  Stranger things have happened.

By the way, Girltalk has MAD draw. I went to the Dan Deacon/Girl Talk
show here in Iowa because my son paid for a ticket and had to be out
of town, and because I don't mind Dan Deacon.  There was a crowd TWICE
what the fire marshall allows.

I don't know about Moby as a draw though. I knew him a little back in
the day via the Internets; I bet he sincerely is excited and honored
to play the festival.  He might suck, or he might surprise people.
He's not without a modicum of talent and intelligence.

(313) Re: DEMF some names announced finally

[Arturo Lopez]

It's always mixed emotions when the lineups are announced; you have to
balance the excitement of the sprinkled musical gems with the "what
were they thinking?", just like most other years.  I think we just
have to accept we aren't going to have the sort of festival the first
few years were anymore, and make the most of it.  Besides, all of the
joke acts will act like flypaper for the raver crowd, leaving plenty
of dance space for the good music : )

Still, I'm certainly cooking up a fresh batch of hater-tots for any
progressive/breaks/trance nonsense.

-Arturo

P.S. Anyone who thinks I'm being too snarky here, just close your eyes
and think how it's going to look/sound this year when Moby closes out
the main stage with "Porcelain" to a sea of waving glow sticks. Try
not to keep your dinner down after that mental image.

Re: (313) RE: demf/movement sets 2007 online

[info]

friends,

try this out:

http://mixesdb.com/db/index.php/Category:DEMF

there's also a lot more to let your hearts rise up with and get wishes reached 
quite done!

regards.



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> 
> I wonder if the Rhythm & Sound set will ever be added?  
> 
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> 
> don't think this got mentioned before, but i just thought i'd check if
> any more of last years sets had been added to the demf website, and
> found that now all (?) of last years sets are available. 
> 
> i think you can only listen through an embedded player, but i bet there
> are some less-technically-disabled people than me on this list that
> might be able to post links to the mp3(?)sources of these files. 
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(313) RE: demf/movement sets 2007 online

[O'Connor, Chris]

I wonder if the Rhythm & Sound set will ever be added?  

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don't think this got mentioned before, but i just thought i'd check if
any more of last years sets had been added to the demf website, and
found that now all (?) of last years sets are available. 

i think you can only listen through an embedded player, but i bet there
are some less-technically-disabled people than me on this list that
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(313) Re: DEMF this year....?

[Jacob Arnold]

I'll be going to cover it for Gridface. Staying at the Omni. I'm looking
forward to meeting some list members.

Jacob


Ng, Melody wrote:
> Who's going and where r u all staying... Any londoners coming this year?
> ;)

(313) RE: demf lineup

[Adam Jay]

yea that was last years lineup?

hence this year Saturday is May 24th, not May 25th.

wtf?

FW: (313) Re: DEMF Rumors

[FRED giannelli]

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:56:00 -0400
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Subject: Re: (313) Re: DEMF Rumors

on 4/18/03 12:35 PM, Kent williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Fred Giannelli told me he wasn't going to come to Movement unless someone
> booked him, which, as of a couple of weeks ago, hadn't happened yet.
> 
> Mills is down for the 25th.
> 
> None of the rockin afterparties have been announced that i know of.
> 

More like I can't afford to come.  Still paying off that dislocated finger
that happened @ Hawtin's unControlled birthday party last year.

telepathic regards,
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Re: (313) Re: DEMF Rumors

[Kent williams]

Fred Giannelli told me he wasn't going to come to Movement unless someone
booked him, which, as of a couple of weeks ago, hadn't happened yet.

Mills is down for the 25th.

None of the rockin afterparties have been announced that i know of.

(313) Re: DEMF Rumors

[Kookie]

Lets see

Anthony Rother - Live
Rolondo
Paul Oakenfold
Derrick May
Kevin Saunderson
Detroit Experiement

On 4/18/2003, "Klaas Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>On vrijdag, apr 18, 2003, at 18:02 Europe/Amsterdam, Matt Hellige wrote:
>
>> Don't forget Jeff Mills live PA/DJ set for 6 hours EACH NIGHT on the
>> main stage
>
>Every night? yeah that sounds really believable :) oh and extremely
>boring
>
>
>
>
>> [Jim Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>>> let's see the rumors flying around right now:
>>>
>>> speedy j, kooky scientist, luomo, vladislav delay live
>>>
>>> john acquaviva, richie hawtin, luciano, dandyjack, sammy dee and
>>> zip
>>>
>>> speedy j, kooky scientist, john acquaviva, richie hawtin in one room
>>> sammy dee, luciano, zip and dandyjack in the other
>>>
>>> 5th floor of ponchartrain completely reserved for richie afterparty
>>> with
>>> rich, speedy j, sammy dee and zip
>>>
>>> speedy j, kooky scientist, richie hawtin and john acquaviva on the
>>> pool deck
>>> of the ponchartrain.
>>>
>>> pole live in the underground
>>> speedy j live in the underground
>>>
>>> which ones are true?
>>>
>>> i know
>>>
>>> do you?
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Re: [313] re: DEMF/ Kate

[PhedX]

22/05/2002 05:04 PM

> What the??

> 
> I duno about that, I read them both, all the electronic stuff in Real
> Detroit is done by the same person, so it's always the same artists
> talked about.  
> 
> I really liked the article, it was a good justification from all sides.
> Real Detroit couldn't do that beacuse they are affiliated with PCM and
> they would get a whooping from Marvin if they even tried.  How lame...

> 
I need not respond; must resist the urge to be sarcastic...

(this hurts people like telling a whale to for go the blow hole hurts...)

:) okay, unclench.


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Re: [313] re: DEMF/Metro Times Article (lester)Lisa

[John Sokolowski]

Perhaps God doesn't like Carol Marvin too much either. That could explain 
the hail from last year.


It might be a good idea to leave your lighting rod at home this weekend  :)

Cheers,
John



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Subject: Re: [313] re: DEMF/Metro Times Article (lester)Lisa
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:19:48 +



Were you goi ng to ask about the plans to charge next year?



god doesn't charge for his events.

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Were you goi ng to ask about the plans to charge next year?



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Re: [313] re: DEMF/Metro Times Article (lester)Lisa

[Catherine Eberhardt]

What the??


>>> PhedX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/22/02 16:05 PM >>>
ummm why? The metro times is an okay mag/rag but most the technophiles
here
in town read RealDetroit the rest of the year cause they have more
techno
related stuff.  Or stay here i n the electro nic world u ntil club
time...>>>

I duno about that, I read them both, all the electronic stuff in Real
Detroit is done by the same person, so it's always the same artists
talked about.  
 
I really liked the article, it was a good justification from all sides. 
Real Detroit couldn't do that beacuse they are affiliated with PCM and
they would get a whooping from Marvin if they even tried.  How lame...

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[313] re: DEMF/Metro Times Article (lester)Lisa

[PhedX]

ummm why? The metro times is an okay mag/rag but most the technophiles here
in town read RealDetroit the rest of the year cause they have more techno
related stuff.  Or stay here i n the electro nic world u ntil club time...
 
Your article covered most of the points, except the part of the thirty
dollar ticket (maybe that was after you got shut down.  They [Gregg/Carol]
did that to me too it was annoying)

Were you goi ng to ask about the plans to charge next year?

Oh yea, and both rags really only put photos of people who advertise with
you in their relative who is who sections so to email in a blurb or  on the
off chance it would get printed, no thank-you.


nice try to increase circulation through involved interaction though...
:)


Gregg


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Re: [313] RE: DEMF hotels

[Bill Van Loo]

Days Inn is probably a good choice - about a 10 minute walk to Hart Plaza, and 
you have the added bonus of hitting The Clique restaraunt 
downstairs for breakfast in the morning! 

bvl

> check out Days Inn on Jefferson: www.daysinn.com; locate the hotel by 
> clicking reservations and locations.  i check the rates and its as low 
> as $67.96 and high as $119.95.  The dates I used is May 24th through May 
> 28 so it can be more or less according to how long you're staying.
> 
> Days Inn
> 3250 E. Jefferson
> Detroit, Michigan, 48207
> United States
> 313-568-2000
> 
> 
> check out Comfort Inn on Jefferson: www.comfortinn.com or 
> www.sleepinn.com and choose 'Comfort Inn' at the 'Select Brand' pull 
> down menu; locate the hotel by clicking reservations and locations.  i 
> check the rates and its as low as $109.00 a night and high as $159.00  
> 
> Comfort Inn Downtown
> 1999 E. Jefferson Ave.
> Detroit, MI, US (313) 567-
> 
> if I find more I'll let you guys know.
> 
> g.
> 
> Carissa Tintinalli wrote:
> 
> > I got my room at the Ponchartrain through Travelocity for $80/night 
> > but they aren't offering that price anymore. The hotel is also 
> > completely booked Fri. May 24th and Sat. May 25th.
> >
> > Priceline was offering $60-$70 rooms at the Courtyard Marriot but they 
> > don't accept non-US credit cards (which is why I went through 
> > Travelocity). And as the "official DEMF hotel" they are most likely 
> > completely booked.
> >
> > I believe there's still room at the Best Western although the rooms 
> > are going for $130 and up. The same goes for the RenCen (even more 
> > expensive...$160 and up).You might want to try the Ramada on 
> > Cassit's a few blocks away but definitely cheaper.
> >
> > Does anyone still have a copy of the 313 DEMF Guide from last year? 
> > Maybe a repost (it used to be on the technotourist site) would help 
> > some out people out :)
> >
> >> From: "Pryor, Ryan N" To: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> 
> >> Subject: [313] DEMF Hotels Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:21:12 -0400
> >>
> >> I recently saw a deal for The Ponchatrain. $80 a night // 2 beds= $20 
> >> a night per person. I will see if I can hunt down a link to the site 
> >> to post, but just be aware there are good deals on nice downtown 
> >> hotels Memorial Day weekend :)
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[glyph1001]

check out Days Inn on Jefferson: www.daysinn.com; locate the hotel by 
clicking reservations and locations.  i check the rates and its as low 
as $67.96 and high as $119.95.  The dates I used is May 24th through May 
28 so it can be more or less according to how long you're staying.


Days Inn
3250 E. Jefferson
Detroit, Michigan, 48207
United States
313-568-2000


check out Comfort Inn on Jefferson: www.comfortinn.com or 
www.sleepinn.com and choose 'Comfort Inn' at the 'Select Brand' pull 
down menu; locate the hotel by clicking reservations and locations.  i 
check the rates and its as low as $109.00 a night and high as $159.00  


Comfort Inn Downtown
1999 E. Jefferson Ave.
Detroit, MI, US (313) 567-

if I find more I'll let you guys know.

g.

Carissa Tintinalli wrote:

I got my room at the Ponchartrain through Travelocity for $80/night 
but they aren't offering that price anymore. The hotel is also 
completely booked Fri. May 24th and Sat. May 25th.


Priceline was offering $60-$70 rooms at the Courtyard Marriot but they 
don't accept non-US credit cards (which is why I went through 
Travelocity). And as the "official DEMF hotel" they are most likely 
completely booked.


I believe there's still room at the Best Western although the rooms 
are going for $130 and up. The same goes for the RenCen (even more 
expensive...$160 and up).You might want to try the Ramada on 
Cassit's a few blocks away but definitely cheaper.


Does anyone still have a copy of the 313 DEMF Guide from last year? 
Maybe a repost (it used to be on the technotourist site) would help 
some out people out :)


From: "Pryor, Ryan N" To: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> 
Subject: [313] DEMF Hotels Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:21:12 -0400


I recently saw a deal for The Ponchatrain. $80 a night // 2 beds= $20 
a night per person. I will see if I can hunt down a link to the site 
to post, but just be aware there are good deals on nice downtown 
hotels Memorial Day weekend :)


-=ryan=-



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SV: [313] Re: DEMF hotels

[hansi . gucluer]

I survived incredibly cheap last year at some hostel type thing(with a room
of my own) in the theatre-district (15 min walk to DEMF or 5 mins with the
People Mover). Something like $120 for a whole week. Can't remember its name
right now but I think I can look it up (or maybe someone else knows it). A
warning though: I nearly didn't get my $150 deposit back the day I was
leaving, and the owner(?) either tried to charge me for an extra night or
did it by mistake and got really mad, screaming and everything, when I found
out. Weird.

Unbeatable price though...



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I'm sorry if this has already been discussed (subscribed today).

What is the cheapest way to survive those 3 days in Detroit? I
graduate on the 23rd and want to take a `vacation' but I'm not sure
how much the whole thing will end up costing me. I don't mind living a
hike away (does Detroit have a decent public transpot system?)-- so if
anyone knows the cheapest (though safe) place to stay the nights in
Detroit, I'd love to hear it.

Also, on a less practical note: what have people heard about the DEMF
this year? Again, I would check archives but can't seem to access the
more recent ones online.

Thanks,
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[313] Re: DEMF hotels

[Tahir]

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed (subscribed today).

What is the cheapest way to survive those 3 days in Detroit? I
graduate on the 23rd and want to take a `vacation' but I'm not sure
how much the whole thing will end up costing me. I don't mind living a
hike away (does Detroit have a decent public transpot system?)-- so if
anyone knows the cheapest (though safe) place to stay the nights in
Detroit, I'd love to hear it.

Also, on a less practical note: what have people heard about the DEMF
this year? Again, I would check archives but can't seem to access the
more recent ones online.

Thanks,
--tahir

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[313] RE: DEMF hotels

[Carissa Tintinalli]

I got my room at the Ponchartrain through Travelocity for $80/night but they 
aren't offering that price anymore. The hotel is also completely booked Fri. 
May 24th and Sat. May 25th.


Priceline was offering $60-$70 rooms at the Courtyard Marriot but they don't 
accept non-US credit cards (which is why I went through Travelocity). And as 
the "official DEMF hotel" they are most likely completely booked.


I believe there's still room at the Best Western although the rooms are 
going for $130 and up. The same goes for the RenCen (even more 
expensive...$160 and up).You might want to try the Ramada on Cassit's a 
few blocks away but definitely cheaper.


Does anyone still have a copy of the 313 DEMF Guide from last year? Maybe a 
repost (it used to be on the technotourist site) would help some out people 
out :)


From: "Pryor, Ryan N" To: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> 
Subject: [313] DEMF Hotels Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:21:12 -0400


I recently saw a deal for The Ponchatrain. $80 a night // 2 beds= $20 a 
night per person. I will see if I can hunt down a link to the site to post, 
but just be aware there are good deals on nice downtown hotels Memorial Day 
weekend :)


-=ryan=-



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[313] re demf update re moot/mute

[PhedX]

huh they are not interchangable like an anagram?  My mistake...

Mt!


Sounds like a Wisconsin dairy farm moot...


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[PhedX]

I concur, my letter needed the (outta) added...


:)

that said I agree with you

>...you have to hope that people are coming to Detroit to come
to see Detroit music.  Unfortunately, a lot of great acts aren't big in the
cities where they originated, and I'm sure the same is true of a lot of
great Detroit electronic acts.  If we're going to have variety, though,
let's have it!  Let's have every style of electronic represented, not just
what's "big" in Detroit but what's GOOD, as they are not always the same
thing.


>..."big" in Detroit but what's GOOD, as they are not always the same
thing.

none of the major club (or their DJs) are represented at the show yet they
are good enough every weekend for thousands... hmmm


>not to be argumentive, simply informative for outta towners...


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RE: [313] re: DEMF update

[Matthew Cloney]

>>funk is funk or else we would find it in the techno cds right?

>>So, that said, PCM/theComittee is outta the genre already...


True, I'd forgotten about that, thanks for pointing that out.

.  .  .


>>I would be happy with more Detroiters too.  They (the comittee) we nt
outta
>>their way not to pick from the DETROIT crowd...


>>R e p r e s e n t...

Yeah I would too, you have to hope that people are coming to Detroit to come
to see Detroit music.  Unfortunately, a lot of great acts aren't big in the
cities where they originated, and I'm sure the same is true of a lot of
great Detroit electronic acts.  If we're going to have variety, though,
let's have it!  Let's have every style of electronic represented, not just
what's "big" in Detroit but what's GOOD, as they are not always the same
thing.

Cheers,

-m


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well

funk is funk or else we would find it in the techno cds right?

So, that said, PCM/theComittee is outta the genre already...


now I LIKE funk but it is not techno...


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[PhedX]

well

funk is funk or else we would find it in the techno cds right?

So, that said, PCM/theComittee is outta the genre already...


now I LIKE funk but it is not techno...


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[fixer]

Record Labels handle the marketing.  Maybe it's just how NovaMute handles 
this artist that you like better than others? 

Jayson B. writes: 

 

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> ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in 
detroit. 

very interesting - 

how do you know that ? 


what are your facts, making you say this ?
 

why is it that when someone asks you a question, that you keep answering 
it with the similiar question? 

Actual Facts?  don't have too many. 

But the whole plastikman concept, the way richie markets his cd's and his 
persona, and the style that he plays, is just flat out more marketable 
than the way CC or D may or any of them.  Richie markets a style that goes 
along with his music, that goes beyond just the music.  And that style 
simply is more accepted than the styles of other artists. 

how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? 

 



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Re: [313] kms afterparty (was Re: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313)

[Cyclone Wehner]

Carl Cox didn't show because of sickness and Derrick came on and played what
he says was the best party since his old MI days in the back. He did the
lights and blacked out the room and played this remix of The Climax with the
poetry - off the hook. Herdest played real nice in the front, as did Gene,
and Kevin played briefly. Derrick's set definitely made up for the rained
out festival, it was very special.

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>To: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [313] kms afterparty (was Re: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures
of Carol Marvin313)
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 1:31 PM
>

> I was at the KMS party.  The highlight of the festival for me personally,
> I guess.  But that lineup isn't right...I arrived around 2am and D-wynn
> was on...Doc Martin followed, and then Master Reese...Derrick May played
> last.  Not sure about the lineup in the front as I was enthralled in the
> back all night, but I know that Gene Farris played in there.
>
> Coxy wasn't around.  Wasn't he supposed to be "sick?" Jim Masters came
> through though - he was stumbling around on the dancefloor for awhile
> trying to pick up ladies.
>
> The Works was serving a mean "cranberry juice with extra ice" until
> 7am.  Is this normal in the D?
>
> -Eli
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:51:36PM -0500, Matthew L. Thompson wrote:
>> I had wanted to go to the KMS afterparty last year at The Works... my
>> schedule did not allow for that, unfortunately.  I think tickets for that
>> were pretty reasonable, something like $15 at the KMS booth at DEMF, and $20
>> at the door.  That included Kevin Saunderson, D. Wynn, Herdest Cummings, and
>> Carl Cox (who "sicked out" on the DEMF but managed to make it to the
>> afterparty, I heard).  I don't know who was charging so much, but you
>> wouldn't have seen me at any of the high dollar afterparties.
>>
>> In regards to streaming the sets over the web from the stages, didn't
>> Groovetech provide a live feed and/or an archive of the sets as well?  Or
>> maybe that was just for the first DEMF, I'm not sure.  I don't think they
>> are around anymore, so it's anyone's guess as to who might handle it this
>> year.  KMS Productions has a nice streaming broadband audio/video feed of
>> the Monday evening set with Inner City, Juan Atkins, and I also believe
>> Derrick May (before the hailstones hit) on their site at kmsproductions.com.
>>
>> Matt
>> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Web Site: http://www.magicmattkelly.com
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:22:25
>> > To:
>> > From: Ja'Maul Redmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
>> > Subject: RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313
>> >
>> > Well i agree about the recording,, like i said i can't believe no one got
>> > Jay's set on tape or c.d., not even him. I've checked.
>> > But $200 for the after parties I spent about $60 last year on after
>> > parties and even though I missed one night of them, I can't believe I
>> > would've spent $140 more that night.
>> >
>> > Unless of course someone party hops to 3 or 4 a night and then I don't see
>> > how you would really enjoy the parties anyway? I thought the after parties
>> > were priced reasonably. Although I did have to pick and choose.
>>
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[NewDisposal]

It's funny to think that it takes 7 people to fill 1 man's shoes. 

Mr.Craig may have booked his 'buddies' for 2 years in a row, but it would 
only prove  that he was smart enough to make friends with the most innovative 
producers and performers in electronic music. Thank god Carl Craig did pull 
together people he knew - or we would have no DEMF!'

I don't believe that anyone has dogged on PCM's ability to put together a 
festival, however their abuse of power and privilege hasn't done much good 
for anyone. If Carl Craig got played by Carol Marvin, who is to say this old 
white lady isn't about to 'play' her new committee? It looks to me like this 
group of artists is more of a publicity move than much of an artistic 
endevour. Everyone, including the committee members, can believe that there 
are 7 detroit-related artists making sure things go right. 

There's nothing to stop Mrs.Marvin from doing what she did to Carl Craig to 
her new 'consultants' if they don't play by her rules.

>I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in 
>organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in the 
>past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party' and the Jazz 
>Festival) so 
>that's the 'promoter' component there.  As if Carl had previous 
>experience in putting together a huge festival on his own. To be quite 
>frank, it seems to me alot of 'buddies' were picked to play 
>the last two 
>years.  
>
>Flame, flame,
>
>--G.
>
>(Truth Be Told) wrote:
>
>> Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they 
>bring in their 
>> favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If 
>> you look at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A 
>> seven-member board of longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose 
>> the artist lineup..." the panel is there only to choose the talent 
>> they don't need to know how it works (festival 
>producer/promoter = Pop 
>> Culture Media). I would think that traveling and developing 
>> relationships with other DJs/artists, they are more
>> then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there 
>> will be
>> checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in 
>their buddies
>> (perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20 
>> years and
>> know who was there from the start.
>> I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep 
>the spirit
>> alive.
>>
>> Truth
>>
>> I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself...
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[313] kms afterparty (was Re: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313)

[Eli Bingham]

I was at the KMS party.  The highlight of the festival for me personally,
I guess.  But that lineup isn't right...I arrived around 2am and D-wynn
was on...Doc Martin followed, and then Master Reese...Derrick May played
last.  Not sure about the lineup in the front as I was enthralled in the
back all night, but I know that Gene Farris played in there.

Coxy wasn't around.  Wasn't he supposed to be "sick?" Jim Masters came 
through though - he was stumbling around on the dancefloor for awhile
trying to pick up ladies.

The Works was serving a mean "cranberry juice with extra ice" until
7am.  Is this normal in the D?

-Eli

On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:51:36PM -0500, Matthew L. Thompson wrote:
> I had wanted to go to the KMS afterparty last year at The Works... my
> schedule did not allow for that, unfortunately.  I think tickets for that
> were pretty reasonable, something like $15 at the KMS booth at DEMF, and $20
> at the door.  That included Kevin Saunderson, D. Wynn, Herdest Cummings, and
> Carl Cox (who "sicked out" on the DEMF but managed to make it to the
> afterparty, I heard).  I don't know who was charging so much, but you
> wouldn't have seen me at any of the high dollar afterparties.
> 
> In regards to streaming the sets over the web from the stages, didn't
> Groovetech provide a live feed and/or an archive of the sets as well?  Or
> maybe that was just for the first DEMF, I'm not sure.  I don't think they
> are around anymore, so it's anyone's guess as to who might handle it this
> year.  KMS Productions has a nice streaming broadband audio/video feed of
> the Monday evening set with Inner City, Juan Atkins, and I also believe
> Derrick May (before the hailstones hit) on their site at kmsproductions.com.
> 
> Matt
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:22:25
> > To:
> > From: Ja'Maul Redmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313
> >
> > Well i agree about the recording,, like i said i can't believe no one got
> > Jay's set on tape or c.d., not even him. I've checked.
> > But $200 for the after parties I spent about $60 last year on after
> > parties and even though I missed one night of them, I can't believe I
> > would've spent $140 more that night.
> >
> > Unless of course someone party hops to 3 or 4 a night and then I don't see
> > how you would really enjoy the parties anyway? I thought the after parties
> > were priced reasonably. Although I did have to pick and choose.
> 
> 
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[Dan Sicko]

The one who shells out the cash get no props because its 
automatically 'always about the money.'


my point being:

The "money" end of The World Party was not a success. And the 
artistic direction was handled by someone else.


Can one infer anything from this?  Maybe.

Ancient history? Probably.

 I'm just trying to call out "a flop" when I see  (saw?) one.

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[Matthew L. Thompson]

I thought I had read somewhere that Groovetech was having financial troubles
a while back and was being forced to shut down?  If I recall, Groovetech had
two physical locations, of which they were planning to close at least one...
that's probably what I was thinking of, the fact that they're still around
and they still have a web presence is good news to me. :)

I discovered the KMS stream on their site over the holidays... so I would
assume that it is still there.  I attempted to do a quick check of their
site to confirm it, but I can't get it to come up for me... g.  Try
again later, I guess! ;)

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>
> What do you mean you "don't think they are around anymore?" You mean
> Groovetech? They are certainly are still around and they're still
> broadcasting. They did an excellent job for the first DEMF (almost like
> being there - almost) but I don't think they were allowed to broadcast for
> DEMF '01 because Ford monopolized it.
> Thanks for the tip on KMS stream - is it still available?
>
> MEK



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[R.Y.Fixer]

On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 20:51, Matthew L. Thompson wrote:

> In regards to streaming the sets over the web from the stages, didn't
> Groovetech provide a live feed and/or an archive of the sets as well?  Or
> maybe that was just for the first DEMF, I'm not sure.  I don't think they
> are around anymore, so it's anyone's guess as to who might handle it this
> year.  KMS Productions has a nice streaming broadband audio/video feed of
> the Monday evening set with Inner City, Juan Atkins, and I also believe
> Derrick May (before the hailstones hit) on their site at kmsproductions.com.
> 

having a nice setup in a fixed studio is night and day different from a
live situation.  not at all similar to a live event with multiple
stages.


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[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

What do you mean you "don't think they are around anymore?" You mean
Groovetech? They are certainly are still around and they're still
broadcasting. They did an excellent job for the first DEMF (almost like
being there - almost) but I don't think they were allowed to broadcast for
DEMF '01 because Ford monopolized it.
Thanks for the tip on KMS stream - is it still available?

MEK




   
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I had wanted to go to the KMS afterparty last year at The Works... my
schedule did not allow for that, unfortunately.  I think tickets for that
were pretty reasonable, something like $15 at the KMS booth at DEMF, and
$20
at the door.  That included Kevin Saunderson, D. Wynn, Herdest Cummings,
and
Carl Cox (who "sicked out" on the DEMF but managed to make it to the
afterparty, I heard).  I don't know who was charging so much, but you
wouldn't have seen me at any of the high dollar afterparties.

In regards to streaming the sets over the web from the stages, didn't
Groovetech provide a live feed and/or an archive of the sets as well?  Or
maybe that was just for the first DEMF, I'm not sure.  I don't think they
are around anymore, so it's anyone's guess as to who might handle it this
year.  KMS Productions has a nice streaming broadband audio/video feed of
the Monday evening set with Inner City, Juan Atkins, and I also believe
Derrick May (before the hailstones hit) on their site at
kmsproductions.com.

Matt
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.magicmattkelly.com

> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:22:25
> To:
> From: Ja'Maul Redmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313
>
> Well i agree about the recording,, like i said i can't believe no one got
> Jay's set on tape or c.d., not even him. I've checked.
> But $200 for the after parties I spent about $60 last year on after
> parties and even though I missed one night of them, I can't believe I
> would've spent $140 more that night.
>
> Unless of course someone party hops to 3 or 4 a night and then I don't
see
> how you would really enjoy the parties anyway? I thought the after
parties
> were priced reasonably. Although I did have to pick and choose.



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[Matthew L. Thompson]

I had wanted to go to the KMS afterparty last year at The Works... my
schedule did not allow for that, unfortunately.  I think tickets for that
were pretty reasonable, something like $15 at the KMS booth at DEMF, and $20
at the door.  That included Kevin Saunderson, D. Wynn, Herdest Cummings, and
Carl Cox (who "sicked out" on the DEMF but managed to make it to the
afterparty, I heard).  I don't know who was charging so much, but you
wouldn't have seen me at any of the high dollar afterparties.

In regards to streaming the sets over the web from the stages, didn't
Groovetech provide a live feed and/or an archive of the sets as well?  Or
maybe that was just for the first DEMF, I'm not sure.  I don't think they
are around anymore, so it's anyone's guess as to who might handle it this
year.  KMS Productions has a nice streaming broadband audio/video feed of
the Monday evening set with Inner City, Juan Atkins, and I also believe
Derrick May (before the hailstones hit) on their site at kmsproductions.com.

Matt
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> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:22:25
> To:
> From: Ja'Maul Redmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313
>
> Well i agree about the recording,, like i said i can't believe no one got
> Jay's set on tape or c.d., not even him. I've checked.
> But $200 for the after parties I spent about $60 last year on after
> parties and even though I missed one night of them, I can't believe I
> would've spent $140 more that night.
>
> Unless of course someone party hops to 3 or 4 a night and then I don't see
> how you would really enjoy the parties anyway? I thought the after parties
> were priced reasonably. Although I did have to pick and choose.



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RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313

[Ja'Maul Redmond]

Well i agree about the recording,, like i said i can't believe no one got
Jay's set on tape or c.d., not even him. I've checked.
But $200 for the after parties I spent about $60 last year on after
parties and even though I missed one night of them, I can't believe I
would've spent $140 more that night.

Unless of course someone party hops to 3 or 4 a night and then I don't see
how you would really enjoy the parties anyway? I thought the after parties
were priced reasonably. Although I did have to pick and choose.



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On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> >But all of that aside, I agree that the panel (its make-up in particular)
> is a step in the right direction.  I
> >believe the DEMF's future will be okay (maybe even bright, perhaps?), but
> we shall see what unfolds this year. :)
>
> I hope at least Groovetech (or another capable web based broadcaster) will
> be able to stream video/sound this year. Ford did a f*cking miserable job
> at it last year (eventhough I was there I'd like to be able to relive
Eddie
> Fowlkes', Kenny Larkin's, and DJ D'jital's sets on the smaller stages).
>
> MEK

This is one really important measure of the level of "commercialism."
Will people around the world have access to ALL of the dj sets, or just
the corporate sponsored ones?


peace
lks


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[Vince Woolums]

> This is one really important measure of the level of "commercialism."
> Will people around the world have access to ALL of the dj sets, or just
> the corporate sponsored ones?

Which, interestingly, includes not just the festival itself, but promoters
putting on 'after parties'.  They're certainly commercial, but not offered
free of charge.  In my opinion, some of last year's after parties were
rudely expensive.

Vince Woolums
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> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > >But all of that aside, I agree that the panel (its make-up in
particular)
> > is a step in the right direction.  I
> > >believe the DEMF's future will be okay (maybe even bright, perhaps?),
but
> > we shall see what unfolds this year. :)
> >
> > I hope at least Groovetech (or another capable web based broadcaster)
will
> > be able to stream video/sound this year. Ford did a f*cking miserable
job
> > at it last year (eventhough I was there I'd like to be able to relive
Eddie
> > Fowlkes', Kenny Larkin's, and DJ D'jital's sets on the smaller stages).
> >
> > MEK
>
> This is one really important measure of the level of "commercialism."
> Will people around the world have access to ALL of the dj sets, or just
> the corporate sponsored ones?
>
>
> peace
> lks
>
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[Lester Kenyatta Spence]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> >But all of that aside, I agree that the panel (its make-up in particular)
> is a step in the right direction.  I
> >believe the DEMF's future will be okay (maybe even bright, perhaps?), but
> we shall see what unfolds this year. :)
>
> I hope at least Groovetech (or another capable web based broadcaster) will
> be able to stream video/sound this year. Ford did a f*cking miserable job
> at it last year (eventhough I was there I'd like to be able to relive Eddie
> Fowlkes', Kenny Larkin's, and DJ D'jital's sets on the smaller stages).
>
> MEK

This is one really important measure of the level of "commercialism."
Will people around the world have access to ALL of the dj sets, or just
the corporate sponsored ones?


peace
lks


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[glyph1001]

>I think the last two DEMF's were successes on commercial *and* 
artistic levels. But that's just one 
aging-techno-gone-all-downtempo-and-broken-beat man's >opinion.  :)

>
>-d

Tee hee, its all good Dan.   :-)

I don't know...out of all the things she could've invested money in she 
chose to invest in a Detroit Techno music event in '93 or '94 with great 
talent rather than doing some other mainstream mish-mash, because where 
would that leave us? With NO techno music event to enjoy, period. Of 
course she didn't capitalize and it was her risk..another lesson 
learned.  Chalk one up for experience. Nonetheless, it was a gamble on 
techno. And she had the decency to choose someone who knew what's up. 
How about some props for that? She could've easily chosen some cheese 
label of the month A&R jerk to pick the talent so our ears can bleed.


The one who shells out the cash get no props because its automatically 
'always about the money.'  Could it just be that she saw potential for 
this to be bigger in a positive way, even almost 10 years ago?   Yes, 
yes, yes!...we live in a shameless, capitalistic country/world...that's 
life.  And like most things in life, any investment made, there is a 
hope, and sometimes an expectation of a return.  But what makes a big 
difference is whether or not this person have the foresight to remain 
true to the art...without having to go broke in the process.


The original point is that there should be promoters in the committee, 
yes?  I'm saying Carol has had experience in organizing/promoting big 
events therefore she's the 'promoter' element.  Whether or not the gigs 
were good is a new ball game and gawd, one promoter is good 
enough...sheesh!   :-)


Have a good day all,

--g.

Dan Sicko wrote:

Ok, let me put a quash on all this talk about "how World Party was a 
flop".



no ... I at least meant flop in every American, commercial sense of 
the word.


The music was definitely not there yet ... this was the city that 
couldn't keep the narrow confines of the Music Institute open. And a 
year or so later she books Joe Louis Arena ...  not smart.  It was a 
shallow attempt to capitalize on all the Europeans in for the World 
Cup games.  Too bad they were all staying a half hour away around 
Pontiac where the games were being held. Carol took a huge risk and it 
didn't pay off.


And the credibility ... that would all be down to that event's 
artistic consultant ... Gary Arnett.  Props.   I'll have to drag out 
the flyer to list the killer line-up.


I think the last two DEMF's were successes on commercial *and* 
artistic levels. But that's just one 
aging-techno-gone-all-downtempo-and-broken-beat man's opinion.  :)


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[s mcgill]

You guys are so lucky.  I live in the UK and still have not managed to see
the DJ's you speak of : Jules, Tong, Sasha etc. Will Jim Masters be playing
again?

In all seriousness though, if there is a representation from Europe then why
isn't it at least people like Oliver Ho, Mark Broom, Steve Rachmad, Claude
Young ;o) etc. People who have at least been touched and influenced by
Detroit. Can you see this happening?

SM
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>
> Yeah, and the "Dunk the DJ" thing - I want to see Pete Tong get dunked -
he
> is playing DEMF this year isn't he?
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> I just hope they still have the electric bull in the middle of hart plaza
> this year.  That was my favorite part of the festival.  Nothing can top
> getting bucked off the bull to the pleasant chant of Autecre.  I can't
> wait!
> ! ! !
>
>
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> > Oh,
> > they should not be on the logistics end of it. When I say promoters get
> > involved, I mean from a creative angle. Obviously the reason PMC is in
on
> > all of this is they know how to handle an event this size.  But of
course
> > just because an event is big does not mean it is any good.
Incorporating
> > some of the aspects of the Detroit scene on an event this size would
> > definitely be something best handled by people who have done it first
> hand.
> > A lot of the people involved throwing events here work their brains out
> on
> > those events and I have no doubt would do the same given the opportunity
> to
> > "do it right". And yes I know several promoters who have worked on and
> are
> > qualified to work on "concert festival" size events.
> >
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> >
> >
> > Heh.
> >
> > Well, I was kind of joking about DJ worship, but what I was really
> > hinting at is that techno, house, electronic music, what have you ...
> > are in an entirely different context at an event like DEMF.  It's not
> > a club, not an outdoor "rave," ... it's a concert festival.  How many
> > local promoters have tackled one of those?
> >
> > -d
> >
> >
> > >Oh, I forgot.
> > >We don't dance anymore..
> > >
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> stare
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[Dan Sicko]

Ok, let me put a quash on all this talk about "how World Party was a flop".


no ... I at least meant flop in every American, commercial sense of the word.

The music was definitely not there yet ... this was the city that 
couldn't keep the narrow confines of the Music Institute open. And a 
year or so later she books Joe Louis Arena ...  not smart.  It was a 
shallow attempt to capitalize on all the Europeans in for the World 
Cup games.  Too bad they were all staying a half hour away around 
Pontiac where the games were being held. Carol took a huge risk and 
it didn't pay off.


And the credibility ... that would all be down to that event's 
artistic consultant ... Gary Arnett.  Props.   I'll have to drag out 
the flyer to list the killer line-up.


I think the last two DEMF's were successes on commercial *and* 
artistic levels. But that's just one 
aging-techno-gone-all-downtempo-and-broken-beat man's opinion.  :)


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[glyph1001]

Ok, let me put a quash on all this talk about "how World Party was a flop".

Have you considered the fact that maybe the music wasn't there yet? 
Meaning the event/concept was probably ahead of its time. How many 
people were into techno as much as today?  I seem to remember artists 
like Derrick and Inner City were on the bill right?  So if you are 
referring to musical credibility, you can't get any more credible than 
those guys. They were the big, superstar headliners, right ? And it 
still failed. The bottom line is, not too many people were even aware of 
Detroit techno, especially not early 90's Detroit. And certainly not 
enough to fill an entire arena. After all the Music Institute couldn't 
even last, and that club was the size of one closet in the Joe Louis 
Arena (not Cobo).  Besides, that was almost 10 years ago. You have to 
figure that the people into techno now were kids back then and knew 
nothing of this music.  

If anything, Carol's mistake was that she put TOO MUCH faith in the 
drawing power of this music at that time, to her financial regret.


--g.

Holly MacDonald-Korth wrote:


well, we all know what a great success World Party was!

what credibility!!

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I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in 
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in the 
past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party' and the Jazz Festival) so 
that's the 'promoter' component there.  As if Carl had previous 
experience in putting together a huge festival on his own. To be quite 
frank, it seems to me alot of 'buddies' were picked to play the last two 
years.  


Flame, flame,

--G.

(Truth Be Told) wrote:


Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If 
you look

at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they 
are more
then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there 
will be

checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
(perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20 
years and

know who was there from the start.
I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
alive.

Truth

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[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

>But all of that aside, I agree that the panel (its make-up in particular)
is a step in the right direction.  I
>believe the DEMF's future will be okay (maybe even bright, perhaps?), but
we shall see what unfolds this year. :)

I hope at least Groovetech (or another capable web based broadcaster) will
be able to stream video/sound this year. Ford did a f*cking miserable job
at it last year (eventhough I was there I'd like to be able to relive Eddie
Fowlkes', Kenny Larkin's, and DJ D'jital's sets on the smaller stages).

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[Matthew L. Thompson]

At the risk of maybe stepping on some toes here, I, for one, don't think
promoters are necessary.  The atmosphere and line-ups at the first two
DEMF's pretty well speak for themselves, in my opinion.  When you have
people on the advisory board like the group that has been assembled for this
year, I would think they could contact and deal with the artists/performers
directly, rather than adding a middle man acting as an agent who's going to
add his own fee into the cost and further add to the expenses.  I'd also be
concerned about a promoter possibly pushing or attempting to book another
performer under his umbrella that probably wouldn't fit into the DEMF
lineup, just for the sake of the almighty dollar.

But all of that aside, I agree that the panel (its make-up in particular) is
a step in the right direction.  I believe the DEMF's future will be okay
(maybe even bright, perhaps?), but we shall see what unfolds this year. :)

Matt
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> To: 313@hyperreal.org
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>
> Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
> favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If you
look
> at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
> longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
> panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
> works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
> traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they are
more
> then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there will
be
> checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
> (perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20 years
and
> know who was there from the start.
> I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
> alive.
>
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>
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[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Yeah, and the "Dunk the DJ" thing - I want to see Pete Tong get dunked - he
is playing DEMF this year isn't he?




  "TJ Johnson"  

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I just hope they still have the electric bull in the middle of hart plaza
this year.  That was my favorite part of the festival.  Nothing can top
getting bucked off the bull to the pleasant chant of Autecre.  I can't
wait!
! ! !


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> Oh,
> they should not be on the logistics end of it. When I say promoters get
> involved, I mean from a creative angle. Obviously the reason PMC is in on
> all of this is they know how to handle an event this size.  But of course
> just because an event is big does not mean it is any good.  Incorporating
> some of the aspects of the Detroit scene on an event this size would
> definitely be something best handled by people who have done it first
hand.
> A lot of the people involved throwing events here work their brains out
on
> those events and I have no doubt would do the same given the opportunity
to
> "do it right". And yes I know several promoters who have worked on and
are
> qualified to work on "concert festival" size events.
>
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>
>
> Heh.
>
> Well, I was kind of joking about DJ worship, but what I was really
> hinting at is that techno, house, electronic music, what have you ...
> are in an entirely different context at an event like DEMF.  It's not
> a club, not an outdoor "rave," ... it's a concert festival.  How many
> local promoters have tackled one of those?
>
> -d
>
>
> >Oh, I forgot.
> >We don't dance anymore..
> >
> >I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and
stare
> >at the DJ music"
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[TJ Johnson]

I just hope they still have the electric bull in the middle of hart plaza
this year.  That was my favorite part of the festival.  Nothing can top
getting bucked off the bull to the pleasant chant of Autecre.  I can't wait!
! ! !


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> Oh,
> they should not be on the logistics end of it. When I say promoters get
> involved, I mean from a creative angle. Obviously the reason PMC is in on
> all of this is they know how to handle an event this size.  But of course
> just because an event is big does not mean it is any good.  Incorporating
> some of the aspects of the Detroit scene on an event this size would
> definitely be something best handled by people who have done it first
hand.
> A lot of the people involved throwing events here work their brains out on
> those events and I have no doubt would do the same given the opportunity
to
> "do it right". And yes I know several promoters who have worked on and are
> qualified to work on "concert festival" size events.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:40 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313
>
>
> Heh.
>
> Well, I was kind of joking about DJ worship, but what I was really
> hinting at is that techno, house, electronic music, what have you ...
> are in an entirely different context at an event like DEMF.  It's not
> a club, not an outdoor "rave," ... it's a concert festival.  How many
> local promoters have tackled one of those?
>
> -d
>
>
> >Oh, I forgot.
> >We don't dance anymore..
> >
> >I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and
stare
> >at the DJ music"
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[Altitude]

Oh,
they should not be on the logistics end of it. When I say promoters get
involved, I mean from a creative angle. Obviously the reason PMC is in on
all of this is they know how to handle an event this size.  But of course
just because an event is big does not mean it is any good.  Incorporating
some of the aspects of the Detroit scene on an event this size would
definitely be something best handled by people who have done it first hand.
A lot of the people involved throwing events here work their brains out on
those events and I have no doubt would do the same given the opportunity to
"do it right". And yes I know several promoters who have worked on and are
qualified to work on "concert festival" size events.

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Heh.

Well, I was kind of joking about DJ worship, but what I was really
hinting at is that techno, house, electronic music, what have you ...
are in an entirely different context at an event like DEMF.  It's not
a club, not an outdoor "rave," ... it's a concert festival.  How many
local promoters have tackled one of those?

-d


>Oh, I forgot.
>We don't dance anymore..
>
>I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and stare
>at the DJ music"
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[Dan Sicko]

Heh.

Well, I was kind of joking about DJ worship, but what I was really 
hinting at is that techno, house, electronic music, what have you ... 
are in an entirely different context at an event like DEMF.  It's not 
a club, not an outdoor "rave," ... it's a concert festival.  How many 
local promoters have tackled one of those?


-d



Oh, I forgot.
We don't dance anymore..

I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and stare
at the DJ music"
-r


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[Holly MacDonald-Korth]

well, we all know what a great success World Party was!

what credibility!!

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I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in 
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in the 
past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party' and the Jazz Festival) so 
that's the 'promoter' component there.  As if Carl had previous 
experience in putting together a huge festival on his own. To be quite 
frank, it seems to me alot of 'buddies' were picked to play the last two 
years.  

Flame, flame,

--G.

(Truth Be Told) wrote:

> Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
> favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If 
> you look
> at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
> longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
> panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
> works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
> traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they 
> are more
> then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there 
> will be
> checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
> (perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20 
> years and
> know who was there from the start.
> I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
> alive.
>
> Truth
>
> I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself...
>
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[Altitude]

Oh, I forgot.
We don't dance anymore..

I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and stare
at the DJ music"
-r

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>  but I thought that this particular event (DEMF) is supposed to be a
>reflection of what is at the core of dance music in Detroit

I don't think that's exactly the intent ... "dance" isn't in the title.  :)

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[Dan Sicko]

 but I thought that this particular event (DEMF) is supposed to be a
reflection of what is at the core of dance music in Detroit


I don't think that's exactly the intent ... "dance" isn't in the title.  :)

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[Altitude]

Thats my point though..
Carl is not a promoter and is not as qualified as the people who have been
throwing parties here for years.  I'm sure PMC has thrown large, successful
events but I thought that this particular event (DEMF) is supposed to be a
reflection of what is at the core of dance music in Detroit and I KNOW that
PMC knows absolutely nothing about that.  World party (a large party that
was held at Cobo Arena in '93 or '94 for those who don't know) was a bomb
and illustrates that corporate entities can not cater to the tastes of
people they do not understand (or have a just have a rudimentary
understanding of).  The new board is definitely a step in the right
direction but IMHO if the festival is to be to its full potential it should
be a joint effort by everyone who has worked for and made Detroit what it is
today.   PMC obviously understands this by choosing people entrenched in the
Detroit dance culture but the scene here always went beyond the DJ's and
producers.  I have no doubt that if PMC was going to run the show on their
own they would simply look up the "Top DJs" list in Spin magazine and book
accordingly, and I am sure this is not what we want. My hope is that this
years festival will give people a real understanding of what this city means
to us and not just the glimpses they get by seeing Detroit DJ's or in the
press.  This is my interpretation of what Carl wanted to do in the first
place and why the first year was such a success.

-raph

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I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in the
past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party' and the Jazz Festival) so
that's the 'promoter' component there.  As if Carl had previous
experience in putting together a huge festival on his own. To be quite
frank, it seems to me alot of 'buddies' were picked to play the last two
years.

Flame, flame,

--G.

(Truth Be Told) wrote:

> Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
> favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If
> you look
> at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
> longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
> panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
> works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
> traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they
> are more
> then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there
> will be
> checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
> (perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20
> years and
> know who was there from the start.
> I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
> alive.
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Re: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313

[glyph1001]

That doesn't matter.  Experience only adds to the knowledge of doing 
better next time.


--G.

Dan Sicko wrote:

I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in 
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in 
the past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party'



Let's not forget what a huge flop the World Party was ...

I haven't been to a jazz festival since Branford Marsalis was 
supporting his "Crazy People Music" album, so I don't know how well 
that's been handled ...


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[Dan Sicko]

I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in 
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in 
the past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party'


Let's not forget what a huge flop the World Party was ...

I haven't been to a jazz festival since Branford Marsalis was 
supporting his "Crazy People Music" album, so I don't know how well 
that's been handled ...


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I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in 
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in the 
past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party' and the Jazz Festival) so 
that's the 'promoter' component there.  As if Carl had previous 
experience in putting together a huge festival on his own. To be quite 
frank, it seems to me alot of 'buddies' were picked to play the last two 
years.  


Flame, flame,

--G.

(Truth Be Told) wrote:


Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If 
you look

at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they 
are more
then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there 
will be

checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
(perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20 
years and

know who was there from the start.
I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
alive.

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[(Truth Be Told)]

Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If you look
at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they are more
then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there will be
checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
(perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20 years and
know who was there from the start.
I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
alive.

Truth

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Re: [313] Re: DEMF Press Conference

[Nathan John de Yonker]

Maybe Carl will announce the lineup in alphabetical order, so then if he
says "Mike Banks" or "Mike Ink", I'll be cheering too hard to care. 

not that i'm going to the conference. 
:D
n8

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, stephen wrote:

> > According to the DEMF website, the press conference for the artist
> > lineup
> > and festival activities is this Thursday (5.29) at Detroit City Hall.
> >
> > Are there any list members who plan on attending?
> 
> Yes I can see it now, the name "Moby" coming out of Carl Craig's mouth
> as 313 list members cheer and applaud with approval.
> 
> 
> np: next is the, next is the, next is the, E. ugh..ugh..ugh..ugh..
> 
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[stephen]

> According to the DEMF website, the press conference for the artist
> lineup
> and festival activities is this Thursday (5.29) at Detroit City Hall.
>
> Are there any list members who plan on attending?

Yes I can see it now, the name "Moby" coming out of Carl Craig's mouth
as 313 list members cheer and applaud with approval.


np: next is the, next is the, next is the, E. ugh..ugh..ugh..ugh..

Re: RE: [313] Re: DEMF-enough

[d . pinter]

Sorry folks.private reply that got posted. Doh!!!


Joel Flory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> are you trying to tell me something this morning?

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Subject: Fwd: [313] Re: DEMF-enough


Just posted on the 313list...as you can see it's the hot topic right now.



diana potts  wrote:
> *the following message is not to be read with any
hostility, but rather hunger induced crankiness*

 alrighty. ya know, at least we know its actually
happening this year. Last year it was 100% until less
than a month before the event. AND i had to walk
through 50 feet of snow in my bare feet to get to
school every morning when I was four.

 The festival is on.There is a contract. Its Memorial
Day weekend. It WILL rock hard. Though talent hasn't
been _announced_ it doesn't mean wheels are not
turning and thing's aren't being done. Carl Craig is
handpicking the talent-so there is VERY little room
here for suckage. Yes, now "suckage" is a word.

 Hotels are easy to find if you use your webbrowser
and the archives. Use CitySearch.com, detroit and sort
by neighborhood-downtown and other Detroit sites. I
understand stress from people coming far and wide..but
its getting repetitive. 

 It IS happening. May 25-27. I suggest you stay until
the 28th and come in the 24th because parties will
rock harder core this year- as they do with the
progression of any music festival. Things will be
different, but hopefully the spirit will be the same.

yahoo&happiness.
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Re: [313] Re: DEMF-enough

[xx xx]

Other time, other method.
Linda G, WHERE ARE U ? I've missed you.
Remind, this girl had organized the accomadation( in a terrific hotel, with 
a crazy discount!) for all "other there people"! I'm still thank you Linda!

Today they've asked me to do it by myself!



From: Jsoh Landau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Re: DEMF-enough
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:10:27 -0500

At 07:58 AM 2/15/2001 -0800, you wrote:

*the following message is not to be read with any
hostility, but rather hunger induced crankiness*


*snip*


 It IS happening. May 25-27. I suggest you stay until
the 28th and come in the 24th because parties will
rock harder core this year- as they do with the
progression of any music festival. Things will be
different, but hopefully the spirit will be the same.


It IS happening.  According to the website (www.electronicmusicfest.com) it
is happening May 26-28.  So, I alternately will suggest you arrive on the
25th and leave on the 29th, for much the same reason Diana has.

Didn't want any of the tourists booking bad times. :)  Perhaps hunger also
induced data entry errors, diana?

Josh

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[313] Re: DEMF-enough

[Jsoh Landau]

At 07:58 AM 2/15/2001 -0800, you wrote:

*the following message is not to be read with any
hostility, but rather hunger induced crankiness*


*snip*


 It IS happening. May 25-27. I suggest you stay until
the 28th and come in the 24th because parties will
rock harder core this year- as they do with the
progression of any music festival. Things will be
different, but hopefully the spirit will be the same.


It IS happening.  According to the website (www.electronicmusicfest.com) it 
is happening May 26-28.  So, I alternately will suggest you arrive on the 
25th and leave on the 29th, for much the same reason Diana has.


Didn't want any of the tourists booking bad times. :)  Perhaps hunger also 
induced data entry errors, diana?


Josh

dj - phase 10, the grind
WCBN-FM 88.3, ann arbor, mi

Re: DEMF-enough

[diana potts]

*the following message is not to be read with any
hostility, but rather hunger induced crankiness*

 alrighty. ya know, at least we know its actually
happening this year. Last year it was 100% until less
than a month before the event. AND i had to walk
through 50 feet of snow in my bare feet to get to
school every morning when I was four.

 The festival is on.There is a contract. Its Memorial
Day weekend. It WILL rock hard. Though talent hasn't
been _announced_ it doesn't mean wheels are not
turning and thing's aren't being done. Carl Craig is
handpicking the talent-so there is VERY little room
here for suckage. Yes, now "suckage" is a word.

 Hotels are easy to find if you use your webbrowser
and the archives. Use CitySearch.com, detroit and sort
by neighborhood-downtown and other Detroit sites. I
understand stress from people coming far and wide..but
its getting repetitive. 

 It IS happening. May 25-27. I suggest you stay until
the 28th and come in the 24th because parties will
rock harder core this year- as they do with the
progression of any music festival. Things will be
different, but hopefully the spirit will be the same.

yahoo&happiness.
d

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Re: [313] re: demf

[Deliverator]

Yikes!  I knew it went up, but I didn't know it went up *that* much.  FWIW
the rooms were $150 last year.  Every room I've ever stayed in there, has a
hide-a-bed as well as the number of beds you order.So it is good for
large groups of people

jim

> In case anyone is curious...I called the Athenium and found out that a
room
> with 2 queen beds is $270/night.
> yes i have too much time on my hands today...
> Lara

Re: [313] re: demf

[L R]

In case anyone is curious...I called the Athenium and found out that a room 
with 2 queen beds is $270/night.

yes i have too much time on my hands today...
Lara





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[Deliverator]

"Athenium isnt that far
(though more expensive I think), "

The Athenium is about a four block walk from hart plaza.  I stayed there
last year for DEMF.  I actually stay there whenever I don't feel like
staying with the parents anymore.  Anyway, it is a little expensive, but you
can seriously house about 6 people in one room.  The staff are pretty easy
going about that sort of thing as well.  Their rates have gone up since the
casino opened though.

I'm not sure  if the Greektown casino has a proper hotel or not.  Two thumbs
up for the athenium tho'

jim

http://www.mp3.com/zarathustra

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RE: [313] RE DEMF+SHAKE

[Samuel Valenti IV]

It's amazing how a credible Detroit DJ can make a record you hate a little 
more palatable (even if you still dont want it)...thats probably why theres 
a 313 list and not a 212 or 312 list, right?


Sam Valenti IV
Ghostly International, LLC.



From: "Scott MacInnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Samuel Valenti IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: RE: [313] RE DEMF+SHAKE
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:15:30 -0400

I hated that track till I heard Shake play it.  That "...Our Lovely 
City..."

part just came off stupid.  Now I stand (somewhat) corrected.  Still won't
buy it.

Scott


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> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: [313] RE DEMF+SHAKE
>
>
> Dave,
>
>   One of the songs that you were curious about in the Shake set
> at the DEMF
> was "Hands up for Detroit" by Matthew Dear on my label, Ghostly
> International.
>Alot of people think it's "time's up" for the Detroit also, but that
> would be kind of scary, no?
>
> anyway,
> send me an email and I can get you a copy if you'd like one...
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RE: [313] RE DEMF+SHAKE

[Scott MacInnis]

I hated that track till I heard Shake play it.  That "...Our Lovely City..."
part just came off stupid.  Now I stand (somewhat) corrected.  Still won't
buy it.

Scott


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> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: [313] RE DEMF+SHAKE
>
>
> Dave,
>
>   One of the songs that you were curious about in the Shake set
> at the DEMF
> was "Hands up for Detroit" by Matthew Dear on my label, Ghostly
> International.
>Alot of people think it's "time's up" for the Detroit also, but that
> would be kind of scary, no?
>
> anyway,
> send me an email and I can get you a copy if you'd like one...
>Sam Valenti IV
>Ghostly Int., LLC
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RE DEMF+SHAKE

[Samuel Valenti IV]

Dave,

 One of the songs that you were curious about in the Shake set at the DEMF 
was "Hands up for Detroit" by Matthew Dear on my label, Ghostly 
International.
  Alot of people think it's "time's up" for the Detroit also, but that 
would be kind of scary, no?


anyway,
send me an email and I can get you a copy if you'd like one...
  Sam Valenti IV
  Ghostly Int., LLC

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re: DEMF afterblindinglight

[The Deliverator]

hello,

"PS 430 West party: Octave One starting their live set with "I believe"
and finishing with their Jaguar remix. I rest my case."

Awww man, you people were all around me- all weekend.  I wish I would have had 
a little more time to plan and meet you allsigh...

next year in detroit!

jim

DEMF Schedule to go (was Re: demf site suggestion)

[Dave Walker]

Hope this doesn't step on any toes...

Here's the DEMF schedule in Palm DOC
format (readable by various Palm OS utilities)
I grabbed the schedule from the Free Press

Download either

  http://bewitched.dyndns.org/files/DemfSched.hqx

or

  http://bewitched.dyndns.org/files/DemfSched.zip

depending on your desktop platform.

   -d.w.


MikeD wrote:

> I don't know if anyone from the demf is listening to all of this..but I'd
> like to make a suggestion:
>
> avant-go palm pilot schedule download.
>
> i'll try and make one available for download before the weekend...but odds
> are i wont complete it...   does anyone know how to do this out there?
> can you hook it up?  =)

RE: DEMF get together

[johno]

Hi Mike, 

Just for the record: Johno is my e-mail addy since there are two Johns here
at the office. So it's John without the extra 'o'. My grandmother used to
call me that when I was little so ...
My girlfriend Annick will also be joining us. 

See ya Friday,


John

P.S. Isn't it a bit late to go record shopping at 8pm? Are shops still open
or do I miss something here?
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To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma
Cc: Hans Veneman; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Diana Potts;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; steve lammers; s pruett; Nate
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Subject: Re: DEMF get together


Hello, 

So far the confirmed posse includes Klaas-Jan, Hans, Phred, Diana,
Holly, Johno, Steve lammers, and myself. If you guys know anybody else
coming into town, feel free to invite them along. I figure we should
probably hit Recordtime first as the restaurant will be open later.
Diana mentioned Fishbones, but I am open to suggestions. I figure we
should probably hit Recordtime around 8pm and then hit the restaurant.
Traxx and Carlos Souffront will be playing at Cloud 9 later in the
night, so I figure that's where we should head after drinks and dinner. 

I am going to post to the list about a general listmember meet up at
Recordtime for 8pm 
on Friday night. 

We also need to think about how we are going to handle transportation. I
have room for 3 others in my car. If you have any questions feel free to
ask, and if you want to be removed from the CC list, once again, just
ask. 

Take care, 
Mike

Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >I was wondering if anybody had plans for dinner and record shopping next
> >Friday? I figure we should get something going before the festival
> >starts. Let me know if you are interested.
> 
> We will be there Mike but i think Hans already said that.
> 
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