Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

gimme gimmes

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:16 PM justsumname  wrote:

> What do I know... but it seems to me that people are somehow finding a way
> to have food and their needs met and even some of their wants satisfied
> without working anywhere.
> I call it The Welfare State.   Cuz I doubt they are lottery winners.
> Parents or government or ??... someone is 'providing' it...
> --
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> It’s probably not the reason, but if I peruse the job listings for
>> WISP/FISP field techs / installers, the pay offered is often crap.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m impressed that many of them accurately state the job requirements
>> (many job ads have vague nonsense for a job description), but then they
>> offer something like $12/hour and want people to work 8-6 and half a day
>> Saturday or something.  Some have benefits and the possibility of pay
>> increases and rising within the company, but employees today probably don’t
>> think about a career with the company and rising through the ranks.  Plus
>> you can get all that at Walmart and just work a cash register or stock
>> shelves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another thing perhaps is that many young people today don’t seem to have
>> a biological clock conducive to a work day that starts at 8:00.  Most
>> construction jobs actually start at 7:00 on site (because noise ordinances
>> don’t let you start any earlier), good luck getting a 20 year old to show
>> up at 7:00 ready to work.  Used to be you had to do that, nobody cared if
>> you weren’t a morning person.  But then you got all the gig jobs where you
>> just sign into the app whenever you wanted to work.  And the retail and
>> food service jobs that abused young workers by giving them different
>> schedules every day and every week and not giving them a full 40 hours, and
>> the kids got used to it and maybe actually started to like it.  The idea
>> that you work 9-5 because the man says so, is kind of obsolete in 2020.
>> Employment probably looks less like a career and more like a la carte or
>> day labor.  I think I’ll work today.  Or maybe not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont understand this shit. I cant say much, I worked a full shift at a
>> hardee's once as a second job and never showed back up, I regret it to this
>> day.
>>
>> I think the prospect of the extra 2400 bucks a month unemployment is
>> what's driving it. Theres gonna be a back pay rider on the "stimulus"
>> package. I've considered asking the boss to "fire" me and cash may me half
>> my salary in the mean time. While I work a second cash job at a bar. I'd
>> pay off my debt in no time
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 2:49 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?
>> Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We
>> also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
>> showing up.
>>
>>
>>
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>>
>>
>>
>> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
>> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[justsumname]

What do I know... but it seems to me that people are somehow finding a way
to have food and their needs met and even some of their wants satisfied
without working anywhere.
I call it The Welfare State.   Cuz I doubt they are lottery winners.
Parents or government or ??... someone is 'providing' it...
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It’s probably not the reason, but if I peruse the job listings for
> WISP/FISP field techs / installers, the pay offered is often crap.
>
>
>
> I’m impressed that many of them accurately state the job requirements
> (many job ads have vague nonsense for a job description), but then they
> offer something like $12/hour and want people to work 8-6 and half a day
> Saturday or something.  Some have benefits and the possibility of pay
> increases and rising within the company, but employees today probably don’t
> think about a career with the company and rising through the ranks.  Plus
> you can get all that at Walmart and just work a cash register or stock
> shelves.
>
>
>
> Another thing perhaps is that many young people today don’t seem to have a
> biological clock conducive to a work day that starts at 8:00.  Most
> construction jobs actually start at 7:00 on site (because noise ordinances
> don’t let you start any earlier), good luck getting a 20 year old to show
> up at 7:00 ready to work.  Used to be you had to do that, nobody cared if
> you weren’t a morning person.  But then you got all the gig jobs where you
> just sign into the app whenever you wanted to work.  And the retail and
> food service jobs that abused young workers by giving them different
> schedules every day and every week and not giving them a full 40 hours, and
> the kids got used to it and maybe actually started to like it.  The idea
> that you work 9-5 because the man says so, is kind of obsolete in 2020.
> Employment probably looks less like a career and more like a la carte or
> day labor.  I think I’ll work today.  Or maybe not.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I dont understand this shit. I cant say much, I worked a full shift at a
> hardee's once as a second job and never showed back up, I regret it to this
> day.
>
> I think the prospect of the extra 2400 bucks a month unemployment is
> what's driving it. Theres gonna be a back pay rider on the "stimulus"
> package. I've considered asking the boss to "fire" me and cash may me half
> my salary in the mean time. While I work a second cash job at a bar. I'd
> pay off my debt in no time
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 2:49 PM  wrote:
>
> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
>
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
>
>
> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

It’s probably not the reason, but if I peruse the job listings for WISP/FISP 
field techs / installers, the pay offered is often crap.

 

I’m impressed that many of them accurately state the job requirements (many job 
ads have vague nonsense for a job description), but then they offer something 
like $12/hour and want people to work 8-6 and half a day Saturday or something. 
 Some have benefits and the possibility of pay increases and rising within the 
company, but employees today probably don’t think about a career with the 
company and rising through the ranks.  Plus you can get all that at Walmart and 
just work a cash register or stock shelves.

 

Another thing perhaps is that many young people today don’t seem to have a 
biological clock conducive to a work day that starts at 8:00.  Most 
construction jobs actually start at 7:00 on site (because noise ordinances 
don’t let you start any earlier), good luck getting a 20 year old to show up at 
7:00 ready to work.  Used to be you had to do that, nobody cared if you weren’t 
a morning person.  But then you got all the gig jobs where you just sign into 
the app whenever you wanted to work.  And the retail and food service jobs that 
abused young workers by giving them different schedules every day and every 
week and not giving them a full 40 hours, and the kids got used to it and maybe 
actually started to like it.  The idea that you work 9-5 because the man says 
so, is kind of obsolete in 2020.  Employment probably looks less like a career 
and more like a la carte or day labor.  I think I’ll work today.  Or maybe not.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I dont understand this shit. I cant say much, I worked a full shift at a 
hardee's once as a second job and never showed back up, I regret it to this 
day. 

I think the prospect of the extra 2400 bucks a month unemployment is what's 
driving it. Theres gonna be a back pay rider on the "stimulus" package. I've 
considered asking the boss to "fire" me and cash may me half my salary in the 
mean time. While I work a second cash job at a bar. I'd pay off my debt in no 
time

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 2:49 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

 

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

 

On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

I dont understand this shit. I cant say much, I worked a full shift at a
hardee's once as a second job and never showed back up, I regret it to this
day.
I think the prospect of the extra 2400 bucks a month unemployment is what's
driving it. Theres gonna be a back pay rider on the "stimulus" package.
I've considered asking the boss to "fire" me and cash may me half my salary
in the mean time. While I work a second cash job at a bar. I'd pay off my
debt in no time

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 2:49 PM  wrote:

> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[can...@believewireless.net]

We had a guy that would teach martial arts after work. He'd make $35/class
and sometimes only have a single
class a night. He'd give up a couple hours of overtime (regular pay
$22/hour) because he was making more
at his other job. He had it stuck in his head $35 > $22 when the reality
was it was $35 vs. $66. I think it took
months for that to sink in.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 8:34 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Requalified...might be part of the issue. But getting hired and no show no
> call in Texas is a reason to deny benefits. Maybe apart of the reason is
> they can't do basic math skills. I have a very few low end positions. I get
> some that say they can make more doing gig work. I tell them "You mean you
> can gross more. I think you are confused about what you can keep from that
> paycheck and the total amount".
>
> I have yet to have one understand the statement.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:25 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?
>>
>> On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk.
>> Just don’t show.
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>   wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set
>> up, no shows.
>>
>> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
>> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
>> the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
>> job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
>> least in the local area.
>>
>> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to
>> insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and
>> it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't
>> find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?
>>> Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We
>>> also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
>>> showing up.
>>>
>>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>>>
>>> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...
>>> Be making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Lewis Bergman]

Requalified...might be part of the issue. But getting hired and no show no
call in Texas is a reason to deny benefits. Maybe apart of the reason is
they can't do basic math skills. I have a very few low end positions. I get
some that say they can make more doing gig work. I tell them "You mean you
can gross more. I think you are confused about what you can keep from that
paycheck and the total amount".

I have yet to have one understand the statement.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:25 PM Robert  wrote:

> Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?
>
> On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk.
> Just don’t show.
>
> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>   wrote:
>
> 
> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set
> up, no shows.
>
> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
> the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
> job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
> least in the local area.
>
> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to
> insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and
> it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't
> find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?
>> Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We
>> also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
>> showing up.
>>
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>>
>> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
>> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

Or go back on unemployment because you requalified?

On 10/21/20 4:24 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t 
talk. Just don’t show.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:



I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews 
set up, no shows.


I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's 
the percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic 
would be the number of people actually interested in getting and 
holding an actual job. I have to assume that number is very close to 
zero right now, at least in the local area.


I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to 
insulating the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility 
and it's amazing how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some 
"I can't find good employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM > wrote:


Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no
show?  Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened
repeatedly to us.  We also have guys go through the whole process
of getting hired then not ever showing up.
No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet
cutter...  Be making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching
blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s probably the best explanation.

 

Plus I guess a lot of the people out of work are hoping to get called back to 
their regular job (after all, we’re “turning the corner”).  Plus they may be 
able to work a gig job with more flexibility and maybe it pays almost as good 
as you’re offering.

 

If you take a gig job for Uber or delivering groceries or fast food, ghosting 
is easy, you just sign out of the app.  It used to be you took a job and looked 
at it as a 1 or 2 year commitment, or it would look bad on your resume.  Now in 
the gig economy, it’s a 5 minute commitment.

 

There’s also probably some depression going around.  Lots of 20 year olds see a 
dystopian future they blame on older generations and may be curled up in a 
fetal position thinking what’s the use.

 

Of course, you could always try paying more.  That won’t work if they really 
just don’t want to do the job. 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk. Just 
don’t show. 





On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:



I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set up, no 
shows.   

 

I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the 
percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be the 
number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual job.  I 
have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at least in the 
local area.

 

I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to insulating the 
remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and it's amazing how 
many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't find good employees 
and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

 

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Tushar Patel]

Good to hear that we are not the only one having all these issues. I thought we 
must be doing something wrong the way we screen or who we select etc. 

Tushar


> On Oct 21, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
> 50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
> hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
> show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked 
> one day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
>>> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
>>> 
>>> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will 
 not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We 
 also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
 showing up. 
  
 No shows to scheduled interviews is very common. 
  
 On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
 making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Matt Hoppes]

It’s the ghosting era. Show up. Get hired. Find better gig. Don’t talk. Just 
don’t show. 

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set up, 
> no shows.   
> 
> I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the 
> percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be the 
> number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual job.  I 
> have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at least in the 
> local area.
> 
> I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to insulating 
> the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and it's amazing 
> how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't find good 
> employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will 
>> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also 
>> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
>> showing up. 
>>  
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common. 
>>  
>> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
>> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've had a position open here for quite some time.   Two interviews set up,
no shows.

I don't doubt the unemployment statistics are correct, (i.e. that's the
percentage collecting unemployment), but a more useful statistic would be
the number of people actually interested in getting and holding an actual
job.  I have to assume that number is very close to zero right now, at
least in the local area.

I've had occasion to use several contractors recently related to insulating
the remaining unheated space in our manufacturing facility and it's amazing
how many of them qualify their quotes/info with some "I can't find good
employees and I'm doing the best we can" hedge.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:49 PM  wrote:

> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[James Howard]

Talked to the owner of a golf course with restaurant/bar the other day.  He 
said that he's lucky if 2 in 10 show up for work after they accept the job.

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I have at least one of those a month.

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked one 
day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later.

Mark


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We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.

..ether that or you have developed a reputation.


On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.

On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I have at least one of those a month.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked one 
day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later. 

Mark



  On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!

  On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.

..ether that or you have developed a reputation.



On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  
Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We 
also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
showing up.  

  No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

  On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!

   
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Mark Radabaugh]

Happens all the time.About 50% show up for the phone interview.About 
50% of those show up for the second interview.Some that go through the 
hiring process, do the background check and the drug screen and occasionally 
show up for work on the first day.Last one went through it all, worked one 
day and called in the next day.   Quit 2 days later.

Mark

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:21 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
> 
> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will 
>> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also 
>> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever 
>> showing up. 
>>  
>> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common. 
>>  
>> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
>> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Years ago I worked for a company that hired a day labor guy who worked out 
really well so they offered him a full time job.  He turned it down when he 
found out he would only get paid every two weeks instead of daily.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 3:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two weeks!

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are 
wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.

..ether that or you have developed a reputation.

 

On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

 

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

 

On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be 
making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[can...@believewireless.net]

We just had the same happen to use this week. At least they worked two
weeks!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics are
> wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.
>
> ..ether that or you have developed a reputation.
>
>
> On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will
> not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also
> have guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever
> showing up.
>
> No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
>
> On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  Be
> making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

I hear these stories and then I have to assume unemployment statistics 
are wrong.  They must have felt they had a better option.


..ether that or you have developed a reputation.


On 10/21/2020 3:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  
Will not return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to 
us.  We also have guys go through the whole process of getting hired 
then not ever showing up.

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.
On a positive note, I am wiring up my new (to me) water jet cutter...  
Be making my own HDD drill bits and micro trenching blades soon!


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[AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

Is this a generational thing:  New hire, worked 2 days then no show?  Will not 
return calls, texts or emails.  Has happened repeatedly to us.  We also have 
guys go through the whole process of getting hired then not ever showing up.  

No shows to scheduled interviews is very common.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

It's not a garage.  It's a shop.  You can store stuff in the shed or the
basement.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:02 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You can put a car in a garage?
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 2:34 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 9/1/20 11:23, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> > North America is all about consumerism and "stuff".  Need a bigger
>> house
>> > to more of your stuff.  Need a storage locker to put more of your
>> "stuff".
>>
>>
>> I'm that weirdo that tries to keep my garage empty except for the cars.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

You can put a car in a garage?

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 2:34 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 9/1/20 11:23, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > North America is all about consumerism and "stuff".  Need a bigger house
> > to more of your stuff.  Need a storage locker to put more of your
> "stuff".
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>
> I'm that weirdo that tries to keep my garage empty except for the cars.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Like Jay Leno's garage?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 2:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Oh, so YOU'RE the one who is making all the rest of us look bad?


bp


On 9/1/2020 12:34 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 9/1/20 11:23, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> North America is all about consumerism and "stuff".  Need a bigger 
>> house to more of your stuff.  Need a storage locker to put more of 
>> your "stuff".
>
>
> I'm that weirdo that tries to keep my garage empty except for the cars.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

Oh, so YOU'RE the one who is making all the rest of us look bad?


bp


On 9/1/2020 12:34 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 9/1/20 11:23, Steven Kenney wrote:
North America is all about consumerism and "stuff".  Need a bigger 
house to more of your stuff.  Need a storage locker to put more of 
your "stuff".



I'm that weirdo that tries to keep my garage empty except for the cars.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/1/20 11:23, Steven Kenney wrote:
North America is all about consumerism and "stuff".  Need a bigger house 
to more of your stuff.  Need a storage locker to put more of your "stuff".



I'm that weirdo that tries to keep my garage empty except for the cars.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steven Kenney]

Yesterday I heard of a book that came out glorifying looting as "ok" and 
justified and only beneficial to society. 

Whats next? Renaming manholes ? Oh wait.. 

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[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
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W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:01:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 



Yesterday on the radio they got to talking about how all the food related 
emojis become sexualized. Eggplant, cake, peach, sushi. Good thing I don’t use 
emojis, it seems like an opportunity to be misunderstood, if you’re not versed 
in emoji subtext. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:34 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 





I dont know why they do sardines in water, if i wanted mushy fish id just 
 





On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:56 PM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 





I like sardines. 



King Oscar, in olive oil. 




From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Steven Kenney 
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM 
To: af < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 





That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
everyone... crammed in like sardines. Just like Eastern Europe. 





Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist 





You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income. Now 2 incomes 
and you still have difficulty making it. Especially in Canada now that the 
housing market has gone batshit crazy. 





[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ ] 


[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 


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W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 






From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 





I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number. 


Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental 
house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under the 
sun and claim a living wage is what's required. 


They eat together, buy in bulk. 


Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and needs 
are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more free 
capital than most middle class americans. 





I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them 
from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their 
wage. 





It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only wants 
them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door. 





On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun intended) 
here, they $upply. 


The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand is 
high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply. 


Don't paint us all as cheap labor. 


Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother at 
TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc. 





On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett < [ mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com | 
dmmoff...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Yeahthere are two separate comments there. 

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault. 
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them. 




On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
S

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Yesterday on the radio they got to talking about how all the food related 
emojis become sexualized.  Eggplant, cake, peach, sushi.  Good thing I don’t 
use emojis, it seems like an opportunity to be misunderstood, if you’re not 
versed in emoji subtext.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I dont know why they do sardines in water, if i wanted mushy fish id just 


 

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:56 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I like sardines.

 

King Oscar, in olive oil.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.  

 

Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist

 

You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 2 
incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in Canada now that 
the housing market has gone batshit crazy.  

 


 <https://www.wavedirect.net/> 

 <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
<https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
<https://twitter.com/wavedirect1><https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>  

STEVEN KENNEY 
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E: st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>  | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net <http://www.wavedirect.net> 

 


  _  


From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.

Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental 
house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under the 
sun and claim a living wage is what's required.

They eat together, buy in bulk.

Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and needs 
are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more free 
capital than most middle class americans.

 

I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them 
from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their 
wage.

 

It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only wants 
them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.

 

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun intended) 
here, they $upply.

The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand is 
high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.

Don't paint us all as cheap labor.

Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother at 
TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc. 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

 

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."

 

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I have be

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

I dont know why they do sardines in water, if i wanted mushy fish id just


On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:56 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I like sardines.
>
>
>
> King Oscar, in olive oil.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for
> everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.
>
>
>
> Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist
>
>
>
> You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 2
> incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in Canada now
> that the housing market has gone batshit crazy.
>
>
>
> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1>
> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
>  | P: 519-737-9283W: www.wavedirect.net
> <http://www.wavedirect.net>*
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.
>
> Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a
> rental house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service
> under the sun and claim a living wage is what's required.
>
> They eat together, buy in bulk.
>
> Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and
> needs are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have
> more free capital than most middle class americans.
>
>
>
> I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at
> them from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5
> times their wage.
>
>
>
> It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally,
> specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only
> wants them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun
> intended) here, they $upply.
>
> The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand
> is high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.
>
> Don't paint us all as cheap labor.
>
> Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil
> brother at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amo

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Chuck McCown]

Love high density == more customers.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Steven Kenney  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
> everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.  
> 
> Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist
> 
> You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 2 
> incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in Canada now 
> that the housing market has gone batshit crazy.  
> 
>  
>  
> STEVEN KENNEY 
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY
> A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
> 
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
> 
> I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.
> Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental 
> house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under 
> the sun and claim a living wage is what's required.
> They eat together, buy in bulk.
> Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and 
> needs are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more 
> free capital than most middle class americans.
> 
> I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them 
> from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their 
> wage.
> 
> It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
> specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only 
> wants them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun 
>> intended) here, they $upply.
>> The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand is 
>> high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.
>> Don't paint us all as cheap labor.
>> Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother 
>> at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>>> 
>>> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
>>> fault.
>>> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they 
>>> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what 
>>> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, 
>>> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from 
>>> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in 
>>> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above 
>>> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that 
>>> amount of money.
>>> 
>>> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
>>> specifically "The Wall".
>>> 
>>> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
>>> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  
>>> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a 
>>> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
>>> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of 
>>> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with 
>>> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and 
>>> have far less drug issues. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take 
>>> back to the office 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I like anchovies too.
Get the Ortiz in a jar. About $20/oz. They come in a 3.3 oz jar
  for $66.


bp



On 9/1/2020 10:55 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I like sardines.
 
King Oscar, in olive oil.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steven
  Kenney
  Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
  

 

  
That
is what is coming to North America ... high density
housing for everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just
like Eastern Europe.  
  
  
 
  
  
Its
coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist
  
  
 
  
  
You
used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1
income.  Now 2 incomes and you still have difficulty
making it.  Especially in Canada now that the housing
market has gone batshit crazy.  
  
  
 
  
  

  

  


   
 
 
 
 

  
  
STEVEN
  KENNEY 
  DIRECTOR
  OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A:
  158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
  E: st...@wavedirect.org
  | P: 519-737-9283
  W: www.wavedirect.net
  

  

  
  
 
  
  
  
  
From:
"Steve
Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
  
  
 
  
  

  I
  dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary
  per hour number.
  
Most
of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20
or more to a rental house. They dont have iphones
and xboxes and every streaming service under the sun
and claim a living wage is what's required.
  
  
They
eat together, buy in bulk.
  
  
Their
wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume.
Their costs and needs are so low, that at minimum
wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more free
capital than most middle class americans.
  
  
 
  
  
I
think that's why they're always smiling, they look
at us, looking at them from our debt saddle thinking
they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their
wage.
  
  
 
  
  
It
sucks one side of our country doesnt want them
coming in legally, specifically to keep them down as
political pawns and the other side only wants them
coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.
  

 

  
On
Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  

  The
  Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in
  demand is high (pun intended) here, they $upply.
  
The
Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work
from coming in...demand is high for a low cost
dependable work force...American companies
$upply.
  
  
Don't
paint us all as cheap labor.
  
  
Some
of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon,
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steven Kenney]

North America is all about consumerism and "stuff". Need a bigger house to more 
of your stuff. Need a storage locker to put more of your "stuff". 

Its gonna make a hoarder look like Oscar Madison's house (if you get that 
reference you are aging yourself) once they cram all that stuff in. 

Reminds me of that George Carlin skit on "stuff". [ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac | 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac ] 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:55:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 



I like sardines. 



King Oscar, in olive oil. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney 
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM 
To: af  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 





That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
everyone... crammed in like sardines. Just like Eastern Europe. 





Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist 





You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income. Now 2 incomes 
and you still have difficulty making it. Especially in Canada now that the 
housing market has gone batshit crazy. 





[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ ] 


[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 


STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 






From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 





I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number. 


Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental 
house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under the 
sun and claim a living wage is what's required. 


They eat together, buy in bulk. 


Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and needs 
are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more free 
capital than most middle class americans. 





I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them 
from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their 
wage. 





It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only wants 
them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door. 





On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 





The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun intended) 
here, they $upply. 


The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand is 
high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply. 


Don't paint us all as cheap labor. 


Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother at 
TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc. 





On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett < [ mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com | 
dmmoff...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Yeahthere are two separate comments there. 

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault. 
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them. 




On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 




My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm. I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually. Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa. The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum. The local 
Ca

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[can...@believewireless.net]

I prefer Wild Planet.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I like sardines.
>
>
>
> King Oscar, in olive oil.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for
> everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.
>
>
>
> Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist
>
>
>
> You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 2
> incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in Canada now
> that the housing market has gone batshit crazy.
>
>
>
> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1>
> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
>  | P: 519-737-9283W: www.wavedirect.net
> <http://www.wavedirect.net>*
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.
>
> Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a
> rental house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service
> under the sun and claim a living wage is what's required.
>
> They eat together, buy in bulk.
>
> Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and
> needs are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have
> more free capital than most middle class americans.
>
>
>
> I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at
> them from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5
> times their wage.
>
>
>
> It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally,
> specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only
> wants them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun
> intended) here, they $upply.
>
> The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand
> is high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.
>
> Don't paint us all as cheap labor.
>
> Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil
> brother at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Nate Burke]

One of the large landscaping outfits we work with brings in summer help 
from Puerto Rico.  They house them all Dorm Style, no Idea what they pay 
them, but they provide them WIFI.  They say they don't have any of the 
immigration/legality problems because, Puerto Rico.


On 9/1/2020 12:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I like sardines.

King Oscar, in olive oil.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.


Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist

You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 
2 incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in 
Canada now that the housing market has gone batshit crazy.


logo <https://www.wavedirect.net/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed><https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/><https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/><https://twitter.com/wavedirect1><https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>



*STEVEN KENNEY *
*DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY **A: 158 Erie St. N | 
Leamington ON

E: st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net <http://www.wavedirect.net>*



*From: *"Steve Jones" <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>

*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.

Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a 
rental house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming 
service under the sun and claim a living wage is what's required.


They eat together, buy in bulk.

Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs 
and needs are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. 
They have more free capital than most middle class americans.


I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at 
them from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 
times their wage.


It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side 
only wants them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.


On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high
(pun intended) here, they $upply.

The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming
in...demand is high for a low cost dependable work
force...American companies $upply.

Don't paint us all as cheap labor.

Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist
..lil brother at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's
their own damn fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market
for them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on
work visas, they aren’t illegal immigrants.

*From:*AF 
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I
don't know what "good size" is in other areas, but here
it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and millions of dollars
annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central
america on a work visa. The farm gave them a trailer to
live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at
the time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians
would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about
immigration and specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the
migrant labor.  He shouted at me that we should let the
free market come up with a solution.  I looked at him
quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

I like sardines.

 

King Oscar, in olive oil.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:49 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
everyone... crammed in like sardines.  Just like Eastern Europe.  

 

Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist

 

You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income.  Now 2 
incomes and you still have difficulty making it.  Especially in Canada now that 
the housing market has gone batshit crazy.  

 


 <https://www.wavedirect.net/> 

 <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
<https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
<https://twitter.com/wavedirect1><https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>  

STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>  | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net <http://www.wavedirect.net> 

 

  _  

From: "Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.

Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental 
house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under the 
sun and claim a living wage is what's required.

They eat together, buy in bulk.

Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and needs 
are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more free 
capital than most middle class americans.

 

I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them 
from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their 
wage.

 

It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only wants 
them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.

 

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun intended) 
here, they $upply.

The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand is 
high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.

Don't paint us all as cheap labor.

Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother at 
TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc. 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

 

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."

 

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bough

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steven Kenney]

That is what is coming to North America ... high density housing for 
everyone... crammed in like sardines. Just like Eastern Europe. 

Its coming! Just wait ! /shakes fist 

You used to be able to make a living, have a cottage on 1 income. Now 2 incomes 
and you still have difficulty making it. Especially in Canada now that the 
housing market has gone batshit crazy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:57:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 

I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number. 
Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental 
house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under the 
sun and claim a living wage is what's required. 
They eat together, buy in bulk. 
Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and needs 
are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have more free 
capital than most middle class americans. 

I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them 
from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times their 
wage. 

It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally, 
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only wants 
them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door. 

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 



The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun intended) 
here, they $upply. 
The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand is 
high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply. 
Don't paint us all as cheap labor. 
Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother at 
TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc. 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett < [ mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com | 
dmmoff...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Yeahthere are two separate comments there. 

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault. 
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them. 


On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 




My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm. I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually. Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa. The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum. The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money. 

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall". 

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor. He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution. I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants." 




On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



I have been doing this for a long time. Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction. The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites. All the drama and drug use is with the whites. 
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues. 





I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?! Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”. The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment. And that our OT is crimping his 
freedo

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Mike Hammett]

North America. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:55:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 


Immigrants to what? 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Technically, even the "natives" are just immigrants. They came from Asia. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 5:34:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 


>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot. We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 


This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants. Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here... 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 




IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here. People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot. We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in 
this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in the 
world infringes on lent. 


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic. Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics. 




From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 


Same here. He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money". 

Well..why look for the other job? 




Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. He passes the first 
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OK he hangs up on us. 

Sad to say, this is the norm. Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview. Maybe 3 will show up. We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
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[Adam Moffett]

To me the statement read as hyperbole.  Jokes don't need to be true, 
they just need to be funny.  It helps if they're partially truewhich 
it is.  It's ok buddy, take it easy.



On 8/29/2020 6:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
Lay off the 'white republican' thing . that is a bullshit, false 
equivalency statement that is easily disproven.
But I can forgive you for making that statement because I don't try to 
argue with peoples' experiences...

...just their conclusions.

I do not understand how people survive without money.  When I don't 
have money, I go hungry.   I must be doing 'life' wrong or something.
I'm not in WISP anymore, but I feel very bad for you guys that are 
still grinding away to make it work with the shittiest of employees.  
 Good for you ... some of you have become quite rich and I'm happy for 
you ( I don't spend much emotional energy on 'envy' )


Personally, I can't stand working with people who can't communicate 
regardless of their racial background.
But maybe that is some 'white privilege' that I can believe in:  
 somehow those people are surviving life with no money (or job).
I was not offended by McCown's statement but I was by yours because it 
was snide.   And stupid.

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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:17 PM Darin Steffl <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:


Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating
to the US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their
jobs and work harder for less money.

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same
money because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a
bunch of money, have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job
all day while taking their sweet time.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees
when compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK,
he blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment
assessments.  He passes the first interview. Passes
the second interview (had to go to two different
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today. 
No-show.  Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on
us.
Sad to say, this is the norm. Out of 100 applications,
10 will actually agree to an interview. Maybe 3 will
show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or
last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the
effort of interviewing, we do a background check now
for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t
understand people.
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[Josh Luthman]

Immigrants to what?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 12:56 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Technically, even the "natives" are just immigrants. They came from Asia.
>
>
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> ----------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2020 5:34:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> >People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
> generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use
> a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
>
> This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of
> natives around here...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
>> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
>> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
>> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
>> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>>> numbers or anything.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>>
>>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>>
>>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes
>>>>> the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two
>>>>> different places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.
>>>>> Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to 
>>>>> find
>>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then 
>>>>> a
>>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[justsumname]

Lay off the 'white republican' thing . that is a bullshit, false
equivalency statement that is easily disproven.
But I can forgive you for making that statement because I don't try to
argue with peoples' experiences...
...just their conclusions.

I do not understand how people survive without money.   When I don't have
money, I go hungry.   I must be doing 'life' wrong or something.
I'm not in WISP anymore, but I feel very bad for you guys that are still
grinding away to make it work with the shittiest of employees.   Good for
you ... some of you have become quite rich and I'm happy for you ( I don't
spend much emotional energy on 'envy' )

Personally, I can't stand working with people who can't communicate
regardless of their racial background.
But maybe that is some 'white privilege' that I can believe in:   somehow
those people are surviving life with no money  (or job).
I was not offended by McCown's statement but I was by yours because it was
snide.   And stupid.
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:17 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the
> US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work
> harder for less money.
>
> Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money
> because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money,
> have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking
> their sweet time.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>
>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

I dont think people understand value, just an arbitrary per hour number.
Most of the "unregistered citizens" around here live 20 or more to a rental
house. They dont have iphones and xboxes and every streaming service under
the sun and claim a living wage is what's required.
They eat together, buy in bulk.
Their wages arent anywhere near as low as people assume. Their costs and
needs are so low, that at minimum wage taxes, or cash untaxed. They have
more free capital than most middle class americans.

I think that's why they're always smiling, they look at us, looking at them
from our debt saddle thinking they're dumb as we go bankrupt on 5 times
their wage.

It sucks one side of our country doesnt want them coming in legally,
specifically to keep them down as political pawns and the other side only
wants them coming in legally but wont open the fucking door.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 2:39 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun
> intended) here, they $upply.
> The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand
> is high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.
> Don't paint us all as cheap labor.
> Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil
> brother at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>>
>> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
>> damn fault.
>> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
>> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>>
>> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
>> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
>> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
>> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
>> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
>> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
>> amount of money.
>>
>> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
>> specifically "The Wall".
>>
>> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
>> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
>> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
>> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
>> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
>> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
>> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
>> have far less drug issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
>> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
>> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
>> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
>> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
>> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
>> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
>> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
>> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
>> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>>
>>
>>
>> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
>> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
>> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
>> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Jaime Solorza]

The Wall... doesn't stop drugs from coming in demand is high (pun
intended) here, they $upply.
The Wall ... doesn't stop people looking for work from coming in...demand
is high for a low cost dependable work force...American companies $upply.
Don't paint us all as cheap labor.
Some of us are engineers..lil brother EE at Raytheon, chemist ..lil brother
at TVA, forensic accountant for guvment, lil sis..etc.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 1:57 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
>
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>
>
>
> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:
>
> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>
>
>
> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
> not show up or last out the

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Jaime Solorza]

Bingo

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 10:17 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the
> US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work
> harder for less money.
>
> Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money
> because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money,
> have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking
> their sweet time.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>
>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Getting some people to think past breakfast, lunch, or dinner is
  a challenge these days.
Are there snacks?!?


bp



On 8/29/2020 11:44 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
My neighbor has some Hispanic people
  building a decorative fence around his patio.  They only come
  on weekends, so it’s probably a side gig.
 
The entire family comes in the crew cab
  pickup, and I mean the entire family.  Mom, Dad, sons,
  daughter.  Even the boy who looks to be about 6 carries tools
  and materials.  OSHA would have a fit, but they have no
  jurisdiction over family member employees.
 
But like Jaime says, learn to value work
  from an early age.  Many are religious and family oriented, I
  would think conservatives would love them, I don’t quite
  understand the animosity.  “Taking our jobs” I guess, but
  nobody else wants a lot of the jobs.  Your typical American
  wants to be like Mark Zuckerberg, worth $200 billion and how
  hard did he work for it?  Got the idea for a “face book”,
  maybe wrote a few lines of code in the beginning, hardest job
  he’s ever done is put on a suit and tie and sit in
  Congressional hearings and get yelled at.
 
What other examples do we have in current
  American culture?  Celebrity parents who pay bribes to get
  their kids into elite colleges so they can cut classes to be
  “influencers”.  Or the whole Kardashian family.  At least
  professional athletes are told they need another line of work
  to fall back on after 10 years, is anybody telling that to the
  influencers and professional gamers?
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Jaime
Solorza
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 11:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

  Work ethic is taught to us at an early
age.  
  
Respect your boss, respect your work.
  
  
Not in a subservient manner but the
  reality of the value of good work.
  
  
Proteje tu trabajo.
  

 

  
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:39 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:
  
  

  

  
I swear, if
they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy
employees when compared to Hispanics.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Josh Luthman 


  Sent:
  Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  


   

  
  

  Same
  here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he
  was OK, he blocked the call and texted back
  "boss gave me more money".
  
  Well..why look for the other job?
  
  

  

   

Josh
Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
  

  
  
 
  


   


  
On Fri,
Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

My neighbor has some Hispanic people building a decorative fence around his 
patio.  They only come on weekends, so it’s probably a side gig.

 

The entire family comes in the crew cab pickup, and I mean the entire family.  
Mom, Dad, sons, daughter.  Even the boy who looks to be about 6 carries tools 
and materials.  OSHA would have a fit, but they have no jurisdiction over 
family member employees.

 

But like Jaime says, learn to value work from an early age.  Many are religious 
and family oriented, I would think conservatives would love them, I don’t quite 
understand the animosity.  “Taking our jobs” I guess, but nobody else wants a 
lot of the jobs.  Your typical American wants to be like Mark Zuckerberg, worth 
$200 billion and how hard did he work for it?  Got the idea for a “face book”, 
maybe wrote a few lines of code in the beginning, hardest job he’s ever done is 
put on a suit and tie and sit in Congressional hearings and get yelled at.

 

What other examples do we have in current American culture?  Celebrity parents 
who pay bribes to get their kids into elite colleges so they can cut classes to 
be “influencers”.  Or the whole Kardashian family.  At least professional 
athletes are told they need another line of work to fall back on after 10 
years, is anybody telling that to the influencers and professional gamers?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 11:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Work ethic is taught to us at an early age.  

Respect your boss, respect your work.

Not in a subservient manner but the reality of the value of good work.

Proteje tu trabajo.

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Having a job, and having a job you enjoy are two different
  things. If you're unhappy with your current employment, there's
  nothing wrong with going fishing.
Given the right industry, you can turn serious coin by switching
  employers.


bp



On 8/29/2020 11:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I wouldn’t bash Indeed, we get lots of applications.  But
everyone and their dog seems to apply.  And good candidates
are not usually looking for a job because they already have
one.
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
  

 
  
  
what is the deal with indeed? it seems like a
  class product lately. Is it just where scumbags go
  employee and employer or are professionals more accustomed
  to headhunters and linkedn or something. I just see alot
  of indeed bashing lately
 

  On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at
12:38 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  I would say that agrees with my experience. 
Respect is a common element amongst Hispanics.
  The opposite with the white trash that seem
to apply on indeed.  
  

   
  
From: Jaime Solorza

Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020
  10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
  hires
  

 
  
  
Work ethic is taught to us at an early
  age.  
  Respect your boss, respect your work.
  Not in a subservient manner but the
reality of the value of good work.
  Proteje tu trabajo.

 

  On Fri, Aug
28, 2020, 9:39 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  I swear, if they were available,
my company would be 100% Hispanic. 
Racist or not, white guys are lousy
employees when compared to
Hispanics.  
  

   
  
From: Josh
Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August
  28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
          OT new hires
  

 
  
  
Same here.  He didn't
  show up, called to see if he was
  OK, he blocked the call and texted
  back "boss gave me more money".
  
  Well..why look for the other job?
  

  
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I wouldn’t bash Indeed, we get lots of applications.  But everyone and their 
dog seems to apply.  And good candidates are not usually looking for a job 
because they already have one.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

what is the deal with indeed? it seems like a class product lately. Is it just 
where scumbags go employee and employer or are professionals more accustomed to 
headhunters and linkedn or something. I just see alot of indeed bashing lately

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 12:38 PM  wrote:

  I would say that agrees with my experience.  Respect is a common element 
amongst Hispanics.
  The opposite with the white trash that seem to apply on indeed.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Work ethic is taught to us at an early age.   
  Respect your boss, respect your work.
  Not in a subservient manner but the reality of the value of good work.
  Proteje tu trabajo.

  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

what is the deal with indeed? it seems like a class product lately. Is it
just where scumbags go employee and employer or are professionals more
accustomed to headhunters and linkedn or something. I just see alot of
indeed bashing lately

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 12:38 PM  wrote:

> I would say that agrees with my experience.  Respect is a common element
> amongst Hispanics.
> The opposite with the white trash that seem to apply on indeed.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> Work ethic is taught to us at an early age.
> Respect your boss, respect your work.
> Not in a subservient manner but the reality of the value of good work.
> Proteje tu trabajo.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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[chuck]

I would say that agrees with my experience.  Respect is a common element 
amongst Hispanics.
The opposite with the white trash that seem to apply on indeed.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Work ethic is taught to us at an early age.   
Respect your boss, respect your work.
Not in a subservient manner but the reality of the value of good work.
Proteje tu trabajo.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

Not mine, I gots UFO blood in me.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 10:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Technically, even the "natives" are just immigrants. They came from Asia.




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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 5:34:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires


>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move 
to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate 
numbers or anything.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people 
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

There is a theory backed by DNA research that after the Supervolcano 
explosion in the far east the population of Homo Sapiens dropped to a 
few thousand, maybe much less, so not quite the garden of eden, but 
close enough for government work..  After a population of hundreds of 
thousands if not a million.


On 8/29/20 10:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

True. And the Asians probably came from Africa.

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On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 9:56 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


Technically, even the "natives" are just immigrants. They came
from Asia.



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*From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2020 5:34:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

>People who chose to move to another country in search of
opportunity are generally desperate or very motivated to improve
their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in this
country

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants. Unless there's a
couple of natives around here...

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
wrote:

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who
chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot. 
 We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country,
especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in
the world infringes on lent.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't
have accurate numbers or anything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be
100% Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy
employees when compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
            *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was
OK, he blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me
more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment
assessments.  He passes the first interview. 
Passes the second interview (had to go to two
different places for the interviews).  Supposed to
start today. No-show.  Called him to see if he is
OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100
applications, 10 will actually agree to an
interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1
and he will not show up or last out the week. 
Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now for
driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t
understand people.
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

True. And the Asians probably came from Africa.

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> Technically, even the "natives" are just immigrants. They came from Asia.
>
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2020 5:34:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> >People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
> generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use
> a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
>
> This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of
> natives around here...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
>> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
>> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
>> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
>> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>>> numbers or anything.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>>
>>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>>
>>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes
>>>>> the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two
>>>>> different places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.
>>>>> Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to 
>>>>> find
>>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then 
>>>>> a
>>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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[Mike Hammett]

Technically, even the "natives" are just immigrants. They came from Asia. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 5:34:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 


>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot. We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 


This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants. Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here... 





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Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 




IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here. People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot. We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in 
this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in the 
world infringes on lent. 


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything. 





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Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic. Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics. 




From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires 


Same here. He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money". 

Well..why look for the other job? 




Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



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So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. He passes the first 
interview. Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
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OK he hangs up on us. 

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to an interview. Maybe 3 will show up. We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Jaime Solorza]

Work ethic is taught to us at an early age.
Respect your boss, respect your work.
Not in a subservient manner but the reality of the value of good work.
Proteje tu trabajo.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:39 AM  wrote:

> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>
>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Lewis Bergman]

Now thats funny, because it's true.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>
> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't get it.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 1:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There’s a folk tale about a father who is going to give the feeble old
> grandfather a blanket and send him away.  The grandson say an old man
> doesn’t need such a big blanket, cut it in half and give the other half to
> me.  The father agrees but asks what his son wants with the other half
> blanket, and he replies “I’m going to save it for when I send you away”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:24 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Logan’s run.
>
> Soylant green.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 12:21 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the
> minorities, and people in states that vote different from me.
>
>
>
> Remember, “… then they came for me.”
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their
> breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be
> to ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with
> it until it’s an absolute crisis.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a
> bunch of us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long
> time.
>
>
>
> “Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby
> boomers die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep
> paying out the benefit checks. “
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Lewis Bergman]

I believe you are on to something. America started out this way but we have
fallen too far off the path after generations of not having to sacrifice
and risk to get what we want.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>
>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Lewis Bergman]

That's unfair. Only ignorant while republicans are against immigration. To
get political we need to make legal immigration faster, cheaper, and
easier. When a nation averages less birthes than 2 the economy is doomed
just as one really good reason. Not to mention needing Latinas to get
anything built in this country.

I have long been a proponent of a trade system. You give us 100,000 hard
working Latinas and we give you 100,000 worthless pieces of shit that
refuse to work of any ethnicity we can scrape up. Probably mostly white.
Being in Texas I can tell you there are worthless Latinos but they are much
harder to find. Not sure why. Maybe it is because in general they are proud
and for good reason. I have had really good employees of nearly every race,
but again, Latinos are the most common. This is especially true if the work
is difficult or outdoors.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:17 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the
> US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work
> harder for less money.
>
> Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money
> because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money,
> have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking
> their sweet time.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>
>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 6:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I'm like 1/64th Gypsythey were a first nation back in India somewhere.  I 
feel like I need reparations.

On 8/28/2020 6:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I have some first nations blood in me.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 

 

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here...

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Chuck McCown]

My mom was kidnapped by Gypsies as a kid.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm like 1/64th Gypsythey were a first nation back in India somewhere.  I 
> feel like I need reparations.
> 
> On 8/28/2020 6:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I have some first nations blood in me. 
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>  
>> >People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>> >generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use 
>> >a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
>>  
>> This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
>> natives around here...
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move 
>>> to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
>>> motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more 
>>> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like 
>>> everything else in the world infringes on lent. 
>>>  
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate 
>>>> numbers or anything.
>>>>  
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
>>>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics. 
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Josh Luthman
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>>>  
>>>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
>>>>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>>>  
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
>>>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two 
>>>>>> different places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  
>>>>>> No-show.  Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
>>>>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
>>>>>> will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find 
>>>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of 
>>>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and 
>>>>>> then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

I'm like 1/64th Gypsythey were a first nation back in India 
somewhere.  I feel like I need reparations.


On 8/28/2020 6:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have some first nations blood in me.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity 
are generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We 
could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple 
of natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:


IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who
chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot. We
could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country,
especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in the
world infringes on lent.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman
 wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic. Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees
when compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK,
he blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment
assessments.  He passes the first interview. Passes
the second interview (had to go to two different
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today. 
No-show. Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100
applications, 10 will actually agree to an interview. 
Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty
good to find people and I am paying for it, but wow. 
Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a
background check now for driving problems, and then a
no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Jaime Solorza]

Yah eeth

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:58 PM  wrote:

> I have some first nations blood in me.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> >People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
> generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use
> a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
>
> This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of
> natives around here...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
>> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
>> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
>> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
>> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>>> numbers or anything.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>>
>>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>>
>>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes
>>>>> the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two
>>>>> different places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.
>>>>> Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to 
>>>>> find
>>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then 
>>>>> a
>>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I have some first nations blood in me.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move 
to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate 
numbers or anything.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people 
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Depending on how far you want to go back, we're all immigrants,
  including all the indigenous peoples. 

bp



On 8/28/2020 3:34 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  >People who chose to move to another country in
search of opportunity are generally desperate or very motivated
to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
immigrants in this country


This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless
  there's a couple of natives around here...

  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  

  
  
  
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21
  PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
  wrote:


  
IMHO, there is some self selecting going on
  here.  People who chose to move to another country in
  search of opportunity are generally desperate or very
  motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a
  lot more immigrants in this country, especially in rural
  areas, but that, like everything else in the world
  infringes on lent.  


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at
11:05 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
  
  
It appears to be that way around here,
  too, but I don't have accurate numbers or anything.
  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  



  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020
at 11:39 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  I swear, if they were available, my
company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or
not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.  
  

   
  
From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Friday, August 28,
  2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
  hires
  

 
  
  
Same here.  He didn't show
  up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
  the call and texted back "boss gave me
  more money".
  
  Well..why look for the other job?
  

  
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
   

 

  On Fri,
Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
  
  

  

  So we get this guy to do the
pre employment assessments.  He
passes the first interview. 
Passes the second interview (had

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Josh Luthman]

>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use
a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of
natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>
>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

shoot boat if bomber is inside...

On 8/28/20 2:18 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

That's just being mean

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:14 PM James Howard <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:


I can see shooting someone’s boat and stealing their dog but
shooting the dog seems over the top.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:48 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure
if someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the
law or violating a regulation.

Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or
importing heroin.

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more
like stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their
own damn fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for
them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work
visas, they aren’t illegal immigrants.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I
don't know what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6
figures of head of cattle, and millions of dollars annually.
Every single worker was brought up from central america on a
work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid
them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up
sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about
immigration and specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant
labor.  He shouted at me that we should let the free market
come up with a solution.  I looked at him quizzically and
said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the
illegal immigrants."

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time. Both manufacturing
and OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor
candidates are of general lousy quality amongst whites.
All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics
work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have
far less drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that
we had to take back to the office mid shift), that when
confronted with chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load
with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
have these problems if you guys bought new equipment”
!?!  Right before getting fired his supervisor asked:
“That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how
would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy
equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his freedom.
Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was
about to get a ton of freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing. Lazy entitled
white bums.  We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

        *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my
house one time and he told me he only hires other mexicans
because they are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I swear, if they

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

That's just being mean

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:14 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I can see shooting someone’s boat and stealing their dog but shooting the
> dog seems over the top.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
> violating a regulation.
>
> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
> heroin.
>
>
>
> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
>
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>
>
>
> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:
>
> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blo

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[James Howard]

I can see shooting someone’s boat and stealing their dog but shooting the dog 
seems over the top.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin.

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires


Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.


On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires


My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."


On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to a

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

On 8/28/20 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:

close to lent, but I definitely two republican parties now
  ^^ SEE ^^
On 8/28/20 9:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, at my company, the pay is the same across the board.  Actually 
it is lower for the crappy white guys.  I am a republican all in 
favor a a very strong worker visa program.  I have actually 
considered doing that visa thing where I have to go get them, bring 
them up here, house them and take them back after 6 months.
I grew up in Oregon and let me tell you, there would be zero fruit 
industry without migrant workers.  When immigration would show up 
some summers and all the workers would evaporate, orchardists could 
not get anyone to come pick fruit amongst the locals.

*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:16 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to 
the US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and 
work harder for less money.
Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money 
because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of 
money, have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day 
while taking their sweet time.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
interview (had to go to two different places for the
interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called
him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications,
10 will actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will
show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last
out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now for driving
problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

You just described most of the labor in the Middle East oil countries.   
That's how the countries were built in every aspect and how they 
continue to work them.


On 8/28/20 1:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I just wish that we would open up our "regulations/laws" to let people 
have citizenship easier. simpler entry, harsher ejection for fucking 
up, shorter time to citizenship. Wipe out the masive cost of managing 
illegal aliens and focus that cash on helping get legal entries 
onboarded.


But the truth is, most migrant (seasonal migrant)workers dont want 
citizenship. Lawful migrant workers make bank compared to their nation 
of origin, even afer paying taxes here they live very well back home, 
with less nonsense. When I use to work at a motel there was a massive 
project going on at our landfill, it was leeching into the soil 
because the liner was improper. So this copmany had a massive work 
crew of mexicans, even most of the foreman were mexicans, I assume the 
ownership was other. They were trained spelunkers, which a i ssume 
they were given a shovel,a rope and instructions not to die under the 
landfil. they had to dig under the entire landfill and place a liner. 
The smell alone made it 99 percent non american,
These fellas for the most part were awesome guys, had a ton of hand 
gesture conversations with guys where we both were speaking louder 
hoping it would make the other guy understand. The fellas that spoke 
better english flat our said they had no interest in citizenship. They 
would come work this company a few visa rotations and go back home and 
live like kings. Starting pay worked out to about 36k and that was 22 
years ago, they had no expenses while here. They left before light and 
came back after dark, so I dont know what the hourly wage worked out 
to. They didnt seem to care, they all looked at is as an x year time 
investment (contrary to popular belief among alot of my maga 
compatriots, mexicans arent dumb ust because we dont speak their 
language and they smile too much) for a massive long term payout in 
quality of life.
Most mexicans as it turns out arent yearning to be in america, they 
think we are dicks and they love their nation as much as we love ours, 
theyre just not raised with every luxury and safety net we are. One of 
the drawbacks of USMCA is some of the mandatory minimum pay 
requirements in mexican facilities. Raise mexicos quality of life too 
high, theyll become assholes like us and we wont have any labor thats 
worth a shit


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL
so don't take my advice and enter improperly.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not
sure if someone sneaks in and works if that is actually
breaking the law or violating a regulation.
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or
importing heroin.
More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is
more like stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's
their own damn fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market
for them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work
visas, they aren’t illegal immigrants.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I
don't know what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's
6 figures of head of cattle, and millions of dollars
annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live
in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time
was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally
not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about
immigration and specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant
labor.  He shouted at me that we should let the free market
come up with a solution.  I looked at him quizzically and
said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the
illegal immigrants."

On 8/28/

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

close to lent, but I definitely two republican parties now

On 8/28/20 9:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, at my company, the pay is the same across the board.  Actually 
it is lower for the crappy white guys.  I am a republican all in favor 
a a very strong worker visa program.  I have actually considered doing 
that visa thing where I have to go get them, bring them up here, house 
them and take them back after 6 months.
I grew up in Oregon and let me tell you, there would be zero fruit 
industry without migrant workers.  When immigration would show up some 
summers and all the workers would evaporate, orchardists could not get 
anyone to come pick fruit amongst the locals.

*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:16 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to 
the US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and 
work harder for less money.
Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money 
because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of 
money, have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while 
taking their sweet time.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
He passes the first interview. Passes the second interview
(had to go to two different places for the interviews). 
Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called him to see if he
is OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10
will actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show
up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now for driving
problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

"illegal" on its own doesn't mean anything except perhaps to identify you
as a racist.  It isn't even english.  She's illegal?  He's an illegal?  Not
english.
Alien has a specific legal meaning - i.e a non-citizen resident.  Could be
documented or undocumented.
illegal Alien has historically been used, and the term doesn't personally
bother me, but I'd say its in bad form since racists started calling people
"illegals"

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I just wish that we would open up our "regulations/laws" to let people
> have citizenship easier. simpler entry, harsher ejection for fucking up,
> shorter time to citizenship. Wipe out the masive cost of managing illegal
> aliens and focus that cash on helping get legal entries onboarded.
>
> But the truth is, most migrant (seasonal migrant)workers dont want
> citizenship. Lawful migrant workers make bank compared to their nation of
> origin, even afer paying taxes here they live very well back home, with
> less nonsense. When I use to work at a motel there was a massive project
> going on at our landfill, it was leeching into the soil because the liner
> was improper. So this copmany had a massive work crew of mexicans, even
> most of the foreman were mexicans, I assume the ownership was other. They
> were trained spelunkers, which a i ssume they were given a shovel,a rope
> and instructions not to die under the landfil. they had to dig under the
> entire landfill and place a liner. The smell alone made it 99 percent non
> american,
> These fellas for the most part were awesome guys, had a ton of hand
> gesture conversations with guys where we both were speaking louder hoping
> it would make the other guy understand. The fellas that spoke better
> english flat our said they had no interest in citizenship. They would come
> work this company a few visa rotations and go back home and live like
> kings. Starting pay worked out to about 36k and that was 22 years ago, they
> had no expenses while here. They left before light and came back after
> dark, so I dont know what the hourly wage worked out to. They didnt seem to
> care, they all looked at is as an x year time investment (contrary to
> popular belief among alot of my maga compatriots, mexicans arent dumb ust
> because we dont speak their language and they smile too much) for a massive
> long term payout in quality of life.
> Most mexicans as it turns out arent yearning to be in america, they think
> we are dicks and they love their nation as much as we love ours,
> theyre just not raised with every luxury and safety net we are. One of the
> drawbacks of USMCA is some of the mandatory minimum pay requirements in
> mexican facilities. Raise mexicos quality of life too high, theyll become
> assholes like us and we wont have any labor thats worth a shit
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so
>> don't take my advice and enter improperly.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
>>> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
>>> violating a regulation.
>>> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
>>> heroin.
>>>
>>> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
>>> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>>>
>>> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
>>> damn fault.
>>> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
>>> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know
>>> what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of
>>> cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought
>>> up from central america o

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.  

Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. 

 

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

 

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."

 

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

 

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check no

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

I just wish that we would open up our "regulations/laws" to let people have
citizenship easier. simpler entry, harsher ejection for fucking up, shorter
time to citizenship. Wipe out the masive cost of managing illegal aliens
and focus that cash on helping get legal entries onboarded.

But the truth is, most migrant (seasonal migrant)workers dont want
citizenship. Lawful migrant workers make bank compared to their nation of
origin, even afer paying taxes here they live very well back home, with
less nonsense. When I use to work at a motel there was a massive project
going on at our landfill, it was leeching into the soil because the liner
was improper. So this copmany had a massive work crew of mexicans, even
most of the foreman were mexicans, I assume the ownership was other. They
were trained spelunkers, which a i ssume they were given a shovel,a rope
and instructions not to die under the landfil. they had to dig under the
entire landfill and place a liner. The smell alone made it 99 percent non
american,
These fellas for the most part were awesome guys, had a ton of hand gesture
conversations with guys where we both were speaking louder hoping it would
make the other guy understand. The fellas that spoke better english flat
our said they had no interest in citizenship. They would come work this
company a few visa rotations and go back home and live like kings. Starting
pay worked out to about 36k and that was 22 years ago, they had no expenses
while here. They left before light and came back after dark, so I dont know
what the hourly wage worked out to. They didnt seem to care, they all
looked at is as an x year time investment (contrary to popular belief among
alot of my maga compatriots, mexicans arent dumb ust because we dont speak
their language and they smile too much) for a massive long term payout in
quality of life.
Most mexicans as it turns out arent yearning to be in america, they think
we are dicks and they love their nation as much as we love ours,
theyre just not raised with every luxury and safety net we are. One of the
drawbacks of USMCA is some of the mandatory minimum pay requirements in
mexican facilities. Raise mexicos quality of life too high, theyll become
assholes like us and we wont have any labor thats worth a shit

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so
> don't take my advice and enter improperly.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>
>> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
>> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
>> violating a regulation.
>> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
>> heroin.
>>
>> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
>> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>>
>> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
>> damn fault.
>> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
>> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>>
>> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
>> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
>> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
>> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
>> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
>> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
>> amount of money.
>>
>> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
>> specifically "The Wall".
>>
>> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
>> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
>> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
>> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
>> con

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

So is there an actual commonly acceptable definition of “illegal”?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so don't 
take my advice and enter improperly.  

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

  I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.  
  Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. 

  More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

  1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
  2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.



  On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they 
aren’t illegal immigrants.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires



My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what 
"good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I 
looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and 
it's the illegal immigrants."



On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  



  I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take 
back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, 
not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  



  But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We 
have a ton of them around here it seems.  



  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires



  I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time 
and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  





  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires



Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked 
the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes 
the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  



  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show u

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe we should call them "regulatory infracting immigrants"


On 8/28/2020 4:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if 
someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or 
violating a regulation.
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing 
heroin.
More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like 
stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own 
damn fault.

2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, 
they aren’t illegal immigrants.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know 
what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head 
of cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was 
brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a 
trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at 
the time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally 
not show up sober for that amount of money.


Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration 
and specifically "The Wall".


I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  
He shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a 
solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free 
market HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."


On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and
OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates
are of general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and
drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick
learners, don’t cause problems and have far less drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had
to take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with
chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being
confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of
this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys
bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks
mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy
equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his freedom. Supervisor
told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a ton of
freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white
bums. We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house
one time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they
are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
interview (had to go to two different places for the
interviews). Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called
him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications,
10 will actually agree to an interview. Maybe 3 will show
up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so don't
take my advice and enter improperly.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
> violating a regulation.
> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
> heroin.
>
> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
>
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>
>
>
> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:
>
> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.  
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. 

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.



On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they 
aren’t illegal immigrants.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

   

  My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what 
"good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

  Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

  I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I 
looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and 
it's the illegal immigrants."

   

  On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take 
back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, 
not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

 

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We 
have a ton of them around here it seems.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and 
he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

   

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people 
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own 
damn fault.

2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.


On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, 
they aren’t illegal immigrants.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know 
what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of 
cattle, and millions of dollars annually. Every single worker was 
brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a 
trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the 
time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not 
show up sober for that amount of money.


Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration 
and specifically "The Wall".


I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a 
solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free 
market HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."


On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and
OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates
are of general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and
drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners,
don’t cause problems and have far less drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had
to take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with
chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being
confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of
this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys bought
new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his supervisor
asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how
would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled
something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And
that our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it
was his lucky day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white
bums.  We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one
time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are
Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.
He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
interview (had to go to two different places for the
interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called
him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

Sad to say, this is the norm. Out of 100 applications, 10
will actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show
up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now for driving
problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."

 

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

 

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know 
what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of 
cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was 
brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a 
trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the 
time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not 
show up sober for that amount of money.


Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration 
and specifically "The Wall".


I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a 
solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market 
HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."



On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of 
general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is 
with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause 
problems and have far less drug issues.
I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to 
take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic 
absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being 
confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this 
with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys bought new 
equipment” !?! Right before getting fired his supervisor asked: 
“That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would it be any 
better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment. And that our OT is crimping 
his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was 
about to get a ton of freedom.
But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  
We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one 
time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are 
Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He
passes the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had
to go to two different places for the interviews).  Supposed
to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he is OK he
hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm. Out of 100 applications, 10 will
actually agree to an interview. Maybe 3 will show up.  We will
hire 1 and he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed
works pretty good to find people and I am paying for it, but
wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t
understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/20 11:23, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Logan’s run.
Soylant green.


Logan's Run was mandatory "carousel" on your 30th birthday.

I thought Soylent Green voluntary go to the happy pictures death room 
when if you feel like it for any reason. Or get smashed by the riot scoops.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

There’s a folk tale about a father who is going to give the feeble old 
grandfather a blanket and send him away.  The grandson say an old man doesn’t 
need such a big blanket, cut it in half and give the other half to me.  The 
father agrees but asks what his son wants with the other half blanket, and he 
replies “I’m going to save it for when I send you away”.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Logan’s run.

Soylant green.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:21 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the minorities, 
and people in states that vote different from me.

 

Remember, “… then they came for me.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

 

“Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
benefit checks. “

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[chuck]

Logan’s run.
Soylant green.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the minorities, 
and people in states that vote different from me.

 

Remember, “… then they came for me.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

   

  “Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
benefit checks. “




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[Ken Hohhof]

If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the minorities, 
and people in states that vote different from me.

 

Remember, “… then they came for me.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

 

“Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Brian Webster]

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

 

“Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

i think its less race than origin. too many generations out and they become
"american" i think thats more where the problem lies. The POS mexicans i
know are 3rd and 4th generation. I think the closer in generations you get
to those who immigrated the more value the citizenship/lawful presence
holds. my grampa fled nazi germany, I probably take my citizenship for
granted much more than him (I want to learn german, he refused to speak it
once he learned english and wouldnt teach it to my mom and uncles, because
they were american) My kids even more. my grandkids will probably be
leftist and lazy. Its the circle of value. Hard times make strong men,
strong men make good times. good times make weak men, weak men make hard
times.

We are still fairly new as a nation

I dont know why we have so many mexicans here in a small town podunk, maybe
migrant workers that stayed. One of my best friends growing up is third
generation decorated airborne ranger, he has a tamale aunt too. Id love to
have that guy working here. his daughter isnt being raised to be part of
the negative trend circle though. there are exceptions to the generation
rule

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:46 AM  wrote:

> Currently, all of my hispanics are citizens and were born here.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:20 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>>
>>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
>>>> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
>>>> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
>>>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
>>>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
>>>> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.
  “Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Brian Webster]

I bet if you dug deep in to things like FICA tax, who is paying in, and who is 
paying in but never going to be able to collect benefits from the system, the 
immigration issue might become a little clearer. I suspect both parties are 
liking people who are paying in that they won’t have to give benefits to. Since 
the SS system is playing more of a shell game since they have been repeatedly 
raiding the trust fund, and issuing useless bonds as a promissory note back to 
the trust, they really don’t want to disclose the state of the fund if you were 
to take those bonds off the books as a legitimate asset (these bonds are a 
special series that are only redeemable to with the government, they cannot be 
sold on the open market like regular bonds). 

 

The same politicians that have been grandstanding about the unfairness of the 
immigration/anchor babies and illegals etc., have always had the power to just 
increase the immigration quotas and/or relax the rules if need be. But remember 
that you can’t usually get re-elected if you solve problems. The fight is in 
keeping the problem perpetuated. This applies to BOTH parties, neither one is 
clean on this issue.

 

Once I finally realized they can fix the problem with legislation change, I 
stopped listening to them on the topic and realized how full of crap they all 
are. I also realized how gullible the public is for not realizing the same 
thing. Then I realized our educational curriculum fails us for not teaching 
everyone  enough to all come to that same realization. The last generation or 
two are being taught not by the schools, but the various media and social media 
platforms. Civics and how government, banking and finances work is no longer 
being taught in schools on any real comprehensive level. Just look at the 
student loan debt crisis if you don’t think so.

 

Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
benefit checks (remember the trust has already been raided, look at how much of 
our deficit is funded by that money, really go look it up for yourself). Once 
they die off, the normal population curves and worker to retiree ratio gets 
back to a more normal ratio. They need immigrants who are not citizens to keep 
paying in to the system right now so they can cover the float on this 
population spike. This spike has more retirees than workers paying in to the 
system. So the trust cannot really afford to pay out to those who paid in when 
they were working (because they borrowed that money and haven’t paid it back). 
The current workers payments in are immediately going back out to pay current 
retirees (and of course disabled folks who weren’t originally factored in to 
this system). You won’t get a single one of them that will actually talk about 
these facts though, from either side of the aisle. It’s the proverbial elephant 
in the room and the only media I have ever seen who will actually dive in to a 
bit if that guy on RT TV who wears the bow tie…….. But hey ignorance is bliss

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the US, 
because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work harder for 
less money.

 

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money because 
honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money, have great 
benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking their sweet time.

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applic

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, I think that’s a common misconception, that most of the Hispanics you see 
are illegal immigrants, or even immigrants.  No doubt some are, but most aren’t.

 

It’s probably like the stereotype of Indian convenience store owners.  The 
reason is they are willing to put up the money and hard work to acquire a 
franchise, and it probably helps to have relatives to help staff the place.  If 
white guys were willing to do the same, they could have a 7-Eleven or Subway 
franchise.

 

Or I look at all the Hispanic lawn and landscaping services by me.  It’s not 
just cheap labor.  These guys are good businessmen and are willing to buy the 
top commercial equipment so they are very efficient.  Often neighbors will also 
sign up with them, so they show up and do a bunch of adjacent properties.  I 
have no reason to believe any of them are undocumented.

 

If all the Hispanic workers went away, a lot of the farms around here – 
especially the ones with animals – couldn’t operate.  Yes the turkey farm can 
hire a bunch of high school kids before Thanksgiving to pluck turkeys, but 
getting them to work on a pig farm will be difficult unless it’s a family 
operation.

 

Another area is roofing.  90% of the roofing crews I see are all Hispanic, even 
if the owners aren’t.  You start at 7am and work hard until sundown and then do 
it again the next day, often 6 days a week.  Tree services are also heavily 
Hispanic, although some of the really expert arborists that you see taking down 
really big trees where you’re up in the bucket of a giant lift with a 4 ft 
chainsaw and have to know how to rope down big chunks of tree without them 
falling on the customer’s house, those still tend to be white guys, but not all.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 11:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Currently, all of my hispanics are citizens and were born here.  

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:20 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

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wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

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So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

Currently, all of my hispanics are citizens and were born here.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

Well, at my company, the pay is the same across the board.  Actually it is 
lower for the crappy white guys.  I am a republican all in favor a a very 
strong worker visa program.  I have actually considered doing that visa thing 
where I have to go get them, bring them up here, house them and take them back 
after 6 months.  

I grew up in Oregon and let me tell you, there would be zero fruit industry 
without migrant workers.  When immigration would show up some summers and all 
the workers would evaporate, orchardists could not get anyone to come pick 
fruit amongst the locals.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the US, 
because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work harder for 
less money. 

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money because 
honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money, have great 
benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking their sweet time.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move
to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
everything else in the world infringes on lent.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
> numbers or anything.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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[Steve Jones]

Id give anything for a mexican tech. I dont know if down there work is just
kind of part of the day instead of an inconvenience or what. Green card or
first, maybe second generation only.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
> numbers or anything.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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[Darin Steffl]

Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the
US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work
harder for less money.

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money
because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money,
have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking
their sweet time.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
> numbers or anything.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Josh Luthman]

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
numbers or anything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>
>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Cameron Crum]

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and
he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
Mexi-CAN'Ts.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>
>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
understand people.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Josh Luthman]

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>
> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
> don’t understand people.
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[AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
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