[AFMUG] Now the Navy has been hacked

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/navy-reports-more-one-hundred-thousand-sailors-hacked-n687896

We really need to start hitting these hackers hard whether it be a country or 
individuals.  Enough is enough.  Of course, after the B.S. I went through 
tonight with tech support of that shell of a former company called HP, it 
doesn't surprise me.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"One thing you learned as a Cubs fan, when you bought a ticket, you could 
always bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The 450i will power on with any polarity. So you can put + on 4&5 and - and
7&8 and it will still power on...However, for sync to be received, 4&5
needs to be return, and 7&8 needs to be power.

If you are powering on all 4 pairs, you still need to honor this
polarization on 4&5 and 7&8 for sync to be able to be received.   You can
put either polarity on 1&2 and on 3&6.

-forrest


On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:32 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I'm confused. A 450i will receive sync with return on 4&5 and +48VDC on
> 7&8 only, i.e. standard Canopy polarity? 4-pair powering + sync over power
> is not supported? That would be news to me.
>
> But yeah, for my 450i cluster, I put +48VDC on PowerA, plugged the radios
> in and sync works fine.
>
> On 11/25/2016 12:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Whoah.
>
> You say 'switch polarity of the pins'.
>
> That's wrong.   A 450i should be hooked up exactly the same as a 450, just
> at 48VDC, not 24V.  If it isn't, it will power on, but won't receive sync.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> Just logged into the AP tonight and still not receiving sync over power.
>> Here are the details of my setup:
>>
>> AP firmware: 14.2.1
>> cable lengh from Syncpipe to Sync Injector: 8 feet
>> cable lengh from Powerinjector to AP: 15 feet
>> Syncpipe Deluxe is Revision H or H1
>> Powerinjector is daisy chained from a Syncinjector that is receiving
>> timing pulse (Have a 3.65ghz 450AP that is receiving sync over power from
>> this injector)
>>
>> I don't have any Site Monitor or Base Units to verify if the sync is
>> turned on at the injector but I just received the injector last week brand
>> new. I do have a Sync Box for Aux port I could throw on this AP and see if
>> I can get sync working that way. If I really feel like it I could set the
>> injector up for 24v power, switch polarity on pins and verify that a
>> regular 450 AP can recive sync from this injector. But I am guessing this
>> may be an issue related to 450i
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, the GigE PowerInjector+Sync that I have at the NOC running the four
>>> 450i's is the newest I have with s/n 118966. It has a pretty old Rev G
>>> Deluxe pipe on it, which is attached to the ice bridge about 6" off of the
>>> wall, but has a decent view of the west and south and is tracking 10 out of
>>> 12 sats. About 190 feet of cable to the radios. And they haven't lost sync
>>> since they've been up, about three weeks. And I just jinxed it knowing my
>>> luck.
>>>
>>> On 11/24/2016 5:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> If the orange LED is blinking, then the injector is receiving sync, and
>>> 1PPS Active should = 1 (if you have a base unit connected to see it).
>>>
>>> Kurt, what software is your 450i running? FWIW, I have a limited number
>>> of 450i APs up, but I have some on SyncBox Junior's (don't get the GPS
>>> data) and the one PowerInjector+Sync at the NOC. All of my 450 and 450i is
>>> running 14.1.2. Perhaps Cambium changed something in 14.2+.
>>>
>>> I would verify that the port has sync enabled. Obviously you'd need a
>>> base unit connected. I've plugged radios in backwards on more than one
>>> occasion. Injector upside down for one reason or another, so the radios
>>> ended up 4 thru 1 instead of 1 thru 4 because I wasn't paying attention.
>>> Port 4 is at the end closest to the SyncPipe/sync daisy chain ports. That's
>>> the most obvious issue if you turned off the sync pulse on a port to run an
>>> AirFiber. But if multiple people have had the same problem, then my theory
>>> is bunk.
>>>
>>> On 11/24/2016 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> I had that same problem last week. Finally started working on its own.
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
>>>
>>> Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact
>>> same problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power
>>> Injector plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync
>>> Injector in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is
>>> running in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at
>>> all and it is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a
>>> couple hours now. Will keep checking back here.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a
 guide for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
 is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.com/
 downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
 and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
 effectively put the two inputs in parallel?

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[George Skorup]

I'm confused. A 450i will receive sync with return on 4&5 and +48VDC on 
7&8 only, i.e. standard Canopy polarity? 4-pair powering + sync over 
power is not supported? That would be news to me.


But yeah, for my 450i cluster, I put +48VDC on PowerA, plugged the 
radios in and sync works fine.


On 11/25/2016 12:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Whoah.

You say 'switch polarity of the pins'.

That's wrong.   A 450i should be hooked up exactly the same as a 450, 
just at 48VDC, not 24V.  If it isn't, it will power on, but won't 
receive sync.


-forrest

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Just logged into the AP tonight and still not receiving sync over
power. Here are the details of my setup:

AP firmware: 14.2.1
cable lengh from Syncpipe to Sync Injector: 8 feet
cable lengh from Powerinjector to AP: 15 feet
Syncpipe Deluxe is Revision H or H1
Powerinjector is daisy chained from a Syncinjector that is
receiving timing pulse (Have a 3.65ghz 450AP that is receiving
sync over power from this injector)

I don't have any Site Monitor or Base Units to verify if the sync
is turned on at the injector but I just received the injector last
week brand new. I do have a Sync Box for Aux port I could throw on
this AP and see if I can get sync working that way. If I really
feel like it I could set the injector up for 24v power, switch
polarity on pins and verify that a regular 450 AP can recive sync
from this injector. But I am guessing this may be an issue related
to 450i



On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

BTW, the GigE PowerInjector+Sync that I have at the NOC
running the four 450i's is the newest I have with s/n 118966.
It has a pretty old Rev G Deluxe pipe on it, which is attached
to the ice bridge about 6" off of the wall, but has a decent
view of the west and south and is tracking 10 out of 12 sats.
About 190 feet of cable to the radios. And they haven't lost
sync since they've been up, about three weeks. And I just
jinxed it knowing my luck.

On 11/24/2016 5:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:

If the orange LED is blinking, then the injector is receiving
sync, and 1PPS Active should = 1 (if you have a base unit
connected to see it).

Kurt, what software is your 450i running? FWIW, I have a
limited number of 450i APs up, but I have some on SyncBox
Junior's (don't get the GPS data) and the one
PowerInjector+Sync at the NOC. All of my 450 and 450i is
running 14.1.2. Perhaps Cambium changed something in 14.2+.

I would verify that the port has sync enabled. Obviously
you'd need a base unit connected. I've plugged radios in
backwards on more than one occasion. Injector upside down for
one reason or another, so the radios ended up 4 thru 1
instead of 1 thru 4 because I wasn't paying attention. Port 4
is at the end closest to the SyncPipe/sync daisy chain ports.
That's the most obvious issue if you turned off the sync
pulse on a port to run an AirFiber. But if multiple people
have had the same problem, then my theory is bunk.

On 11/24/2016 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I had that same problem last week. Finally started working
on its own.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into
the exact same problem the Original Poster had here. I have
the Gigabit Power Injector plus Sync and it is blinking for
receiving sync from another Sync Injector in the same
enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is
running in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving
any sync at all and it is decided to Generate its own Sync.
Has been running for a couple hours now. Will keep checking
back here.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:

all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them,
is there a guide for the 10/100 and gigabit
powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
is it just the same as
http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf

only with the pin order backward?
and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector,
would that effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian
(List Account)  wrote:

Depends on the power circuitry 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Whoah.

You say 'switch polarity of the pins'.

That's wrong.   A 450i should be hooked up exactly the same as a 450, just
at 48VDC, not 24V.  If it isn't, it will power on, but won't receive sync.

-forrest

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Just logged into the AP tonight and still not receiving sync over power.
> Here are the details of my setup:
>
> AP firmware: 14.2.1
> cable lengh from Syncpipe to Sync Injector: 8 feet
> cable lengh from Powerinjector to AP: 15 feet
> Syncpipe Deluxe is Revision H or H1
> Powerinjector is daisy chained from a Syncinjector that is receiving
> timing pulse (Have a 3.65ghz 450AP that is receiving sync over power from
> this injector)
>
> I don't have any Site Monitor or Base Units to verify if the sync is
> turned on at the injector but I just received the injector last week brand
> new. I do have a Sync Box for Aux port I could throw on this AP and see if
> I can get sync working that way. If I really feel like it I could set the
> injector up for 24v power, switch polarity on pins and verify that a
> regular 450 AP can recive sync from this injector. But I am guessing this
> may be an issue related to 450i
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> BTW, the GigE PowerInjector+Sync that I have at the NOC running the four
>> 450i's is the newest I have with s/n 118966. It has a pretty old Rev G
>> Deluxe pipe on it, which is attached to the ice bridge about 6" off of the
>> wall, but has a decent view of the west and south and is tracking 10 out of
>> 12 sats. About 190 feet of cable to the radios. And they haven't lost sync
>> since they've been up, about three weeks. And I just jinxed it knowing my
>> luck.
>>
>> On 11/24/2016 5:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> If the orange LED is blinking, then the injector is receiving sync, and
>> 1PPS Active should = 1 (if you have a base unit connected to see it).
>>
>> Kurt, what software is your 450i running? FWIW, I have a limited number
>> of 450i APs up, but I have some on SyncBox Junior's (don't get the GPS
>> data) and the one PowerInjector+Sync at the NOC. All of my 450 and 450i is
>> running 14.1.2. Perhaps Cambium changed something in 14.2+.
>>
>> I would verify that the port has sync enabled. Obviously you'd need a
>> base unit connected. I've plugged radios in backwards on more than one
>> occasion. Injector upside down for one reason or another, so the radios
>> ended up 4 thru 1 instead of 1 thru 4 because I wasn't paying attention.
>> Port 4 is at the end closest to the SyncPipe/sync daisy chain ports. That's
>> the most obvious issue if you turned off the sync pulse on a port to run an
>> AirFiber. But if multiple people have had the same problem, then my theory
>> is bunk.
>>
>> On 11/24/2016 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> I had that same problem last week. Finally started working on its own.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
>>
>> Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact
>> same problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power
>> Injector plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync
>> Injector in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is
>> running in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at
>> all and it is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a
>> couple hours now. Will keep checking back here.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a
>>> guide for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
>>> is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.com/
>>> downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
>>> and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
>>> effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would
 be ok.

 If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that
 port and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base
 unit in the field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the
 poweron column for the sync row for that port to '0').

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to
> power some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those
> ports? I don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on
> a port with an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the
> only way to turn off sync is bu

Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

[Chuck McCown]

Yes

From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

Shipping now when we order through third parties? CTI for example?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

 

They have 10 times more vitamin E as well!

 

From: Keefe John 

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

 

How does this differ from the current version?

On 11/23/2016 4:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  This is the 10th rev and the best yet.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

[Keefe John]

this happened in Milwaukee with SelecTV as well.


On 11/24/2016 4:00 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


I don't remember this
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161124/downtown/max-headroom-1987-chicago-wgn-wttw-unsolved-mystery

Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Shipping now when we order through third parties? CTI for example?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

 

They have 10 times more vitamin E as well!

 

From: Keefe John 

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

 

How does this differ from the current version?

On 11/23/2016 4:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

This is the 10th rev and the best yet.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Just tried 14.1.2 and same thing, tomorrow I am going to feed this injector
from a different sync pipe instead of pulling sync over the daisy chain and
see if that helps. Also if that doesn't I have another NIB powerinjector I
can try here.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> H, I haven’t had any problems with power port sync from a CTM-2 and
> 450i.  300 ft cables though.  Some of them had 14.2 Build 15 on them and I
> downgraded to 14.1.2, power port sync worked both ways.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
>
>
>
> I just tried the "debouncepowerport off" command and no change. I may
> try downgrading to firmware 14.1.2.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> OK, I did get a report from one customer that my new surge protector
> design actually fixed this problem with a 450i.
>
> Not yet confident enough to state it will fix the problem.
>
>
>
> I was testing with my new surge suppressor when I got it to go.
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
>
> *To:* af
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
>
>
>
> The 450i is extremely sensitive to any transition noise on the pulse.
> There's a hidden command in the cambium radios which you may want to try.
> I'm sending you a email off-list with it in caseyou want to try it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same
> problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector
> plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector
> in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running
> in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it
> is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours
> now. Will keep checking back here.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide
> for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
>
> is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.com/
> downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
>
> and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
> effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be
> ok.
>
>
>
> If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port
> and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in
> the field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron
> column for the sync row for that port to '0').
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power
> some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I
> don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port
> with an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way
> to turn off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to
> it and turn it off through the web interface?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE
> PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly
> after boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like two
> short at the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + the
> older APC's don't play nice anyway.
>
> On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't figure
> out why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I was
> getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were both
> plugged into the same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the
> 900mhz at the time, so I just switched it to generate it's own timing, and
> I haven't gotten around to trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm
> wondering if it would eventually come up if I left it alone.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
> On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the 450i and
> started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  Half hour
> or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be Cambium, not
> Packetflux.
>
>
>
> Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the binary
> tab and that the used pulse count is increasing o

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Ken Hohhof]

H, I haven’t had any problems with power port sync from a CTM-2 and 450i.  
300 ft cables though.  Some of them had 14.2 Build 15 on them and I downgraded 
to 14.1.2, power port sync worked both ways.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

 

I just tried the "debouncepowerport off" command and no change. I may try 
downgrading to firmware 14.1.2.

 

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

OK, I did get a report from one customer that my new surge protector design 
actually fixed this problem with a 450i.

Not yet confident enough to state it will fix the problem.

 

I was testing with my new surge suppressor when I got it to go.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:31 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

 

The 450i is extremely sensitive to any transition noise on the pulse.  There's 
a hidden command in the cambium radios which you may want to try.   I'm sending 
you a email off-list with it in caseyou want to try it. 

 

 

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same 
problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector plus 
Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector in the 
same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running in Autosync+ 
Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it is decided to 
Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours now. Will keep 
checking back here.

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide for 
the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand? 

is it just the same as 
http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the 
pin order backward?

and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that effectively 
put the two inputs in parallel?

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be ok. 

 

If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port and 
the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in the 
field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron column for 
the sync row for that port to '0').

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power some 
Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I don't 
see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port with an 
Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way to turn off 
sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to it and turn it 
off through the web interface?

 

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE 
PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly after 
boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like two short at 
the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + the older APC's 
don't play nice anyway.

On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't figure out 
why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I was getting 
sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were both plugged into the 
same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the 900mhz at the time, so I 
just switched it to generate it's own timing, and I haven't gotten around to 
trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm wondering if it would eventually come 
up if I left it alone.

 

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the 450i and
started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  Half hour
or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be Cambium, not
Packetflux.



Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the binary tab 
and that the used pulse count is increasing on the analog tab.

~Seth

 

 

 





 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com   |   
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

[George Skorup]

That was all analog back then, so pretty much all you had to do was 
overpower it.


On 11/24/2016 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I've read about it before.  Sounds like the prevalent theory is that 
the prankster(s) hijacked the STL connections in both incidents.


I wonder if there was any security in place on STL back then.  I 
wonder if there is today.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 11/24/2016 5:00:08 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom


I don't remember this
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161124/downtown/max-headroom-1987-chicago-wgn-wttw-unsolved-mystery

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I just want to know which guy on this list did it

On Nov 24, 2016 9:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I remember when it happened.  Captain Midnight happened a few years
> prior.  And someone fired up an earthstation on Dan Rather’s evening news
> broadcast and double illuminated the satellite on accident.  He got fired.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 6:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom
>
> I've read about it before.  Sounds like the prevalent theory is that the
> prankster(s) hijacked the STL connections in both incidents.
>
> I wonder if there was any security in place on STL back then.  I wonder if
> there is today.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/24/2016 5:00:08 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom
>
>
> I don't remember this
> https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161124/downtown/max-
> headroom-1987-chicago-wgn-wttw-unsolved-mystery
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I just tried the "debouncepowerport off" command and no change. I may
try downgrading to firmware 14.1.2.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> OK, I did get a report from one customer that my new surge protector
> design actually fixed this problem with a 450i.
> Not yet confident enough to state it will fix the problem.
>
> I was testing with my new surge suppressor when I got it to go.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
>
> The 450i is extremely sensitive to any transition noise on the pulse.
> There's a hidden command in the cambium radios which you may want to try.
> I'm sending you a email off-list with it in caseyou want to try it.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact
>> same problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power
>> Injector plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync
>> Injector in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is
>> running in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at
>> all and it is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a
>> couple hours now. Will keep checking back here.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a
>>> guide for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
>>> is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.com/
>>> downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
>>> and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
>>> effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would
 be ok.

 If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that
 port and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base
 unit in the field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the
 poweron column for the sync row for that port to '0').

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to
> power some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those
> ports? I don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on
> a port with an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the
> only way to turn off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to
> hookup to it and turn it off through the web interface?
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE
>> PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly
>> after boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like 
>> two
>> short at the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + 
>> the
>> older APC's don't play nice anyway.
>>
>> On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't
>> figure out why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), 
>> I
>> was getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were 
>> both
>> plugged into the same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the
>> 900mhz at the time, so I just switched it to generate it's own timing, 
>> and
>> I haven't gotten around to trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm
>> wondering if it would eventually come up if I left it alone.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
 I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the
 450i and
 started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  Half
 hour
 or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be Cambium, not
 Packetflux.

>>>
>>>
>>> Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the
>>> binary tab and that the used pulse count is increasing on the analog 
>>> tab.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Chuck McCown]

OK, I did get a report from one customer that my new surge protector design 
actually fixed this problem with a 450i.
Not yet confident enough to state it will fix the problem.

I was testing with my new surge suppressor when I got it to go.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

The 450i is extremely sensitive to any transition noise on the pulse.  There's 
a hidden command in the cambium radios which you may want to try.   I'm sending 
you a email off-list with it in caseyou want to try it. 


On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same 
problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector plus 
Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector in the 
same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running in Autosync+ 
Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it is decided to 
Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours now. Will keep 
checking back here.

  On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide 
for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand? 
is it just the same as 
http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the 
pin order backward?
and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that 
effectively put the two inputs in parallel?

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be 
ok. 

  If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port 
and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in the 
field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron column for 
the sync row for that port to '0').

  On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power 
some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I 
don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port with 
an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way to turn 
off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to it and turn 
it off through the web interface?

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

  I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE 
PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly after 
boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like two short at 
the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + the older APC's 
don't play nice anyway.


  On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't 
figure out why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I was 
getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were both plugged 
into the same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the 900mhz at the 
time, so I just switched it to generate it's own timing, and I haven't gotten 
around to trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm wondering if it would 
eventually come up if I left it alone.


On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen 
 wrote:

  On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the 
450i and
started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  
Half hour
or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be 
Cambium, not
Packetflux.



  Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the 
binary tab and that the used pulse count is increasing on the analog tab.

  ~Seth









  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

   







-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

[Chuck McCown]

I remember when it happened.  Captain Midnight happened a few years prior.  And 
someone fired up an earthstation on Dan Rather’s evening news broadcast and 
double illuminated the satellite on accident.  He got fired.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 6:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

I've read about it before.  Sounds like the prevalent theory is that the 
prankster(s) hijacked the STL connections in both incidents.  

I wonder if there was any security in place on STL back then.  I wonder if 
there is today.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/24/2016 5:00:08 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

  I don't remember this
  
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161124/downtown/max-headroom-1987-chicago-wgn-wttw-unsolved-mystery

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Just logged into the AP tonight and still not receiving sync over power.
Here are the details of my setup:

AP firmware: 14.2.1
cable lengh from Syncpipe to Sync Injector: 8 feet
cable lengh from Powerinjector to AP: 15 feet
Syncpipe Deluxe is Revision H or H1
Powerinjector is daisy chained from a Syncinjector that is receiving timing
pulse (Have a 3.65ghz 450AP that is receiving sync over power from this
injector)

I don't have any Site Monitor or Base Units to verify if the sync is turned
on at the injector but I just received the injector last week brand new. I
do have a Sync Box for Aux port I could throw on this AP and see if I can
get sync working that way. If I really feel like it I could set the
injector up for 24v power, switch polarity on pins and verify that a
regular 450 AP can recive sync from this injector. But I am guessing this
may be an issue related to 450i



On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> BTW, the GigE PowerInjector+Sync that I have at the NOC running the four
> 450i's is the newest I have with s/n 118966. It has a pretty old Rev G
> Deluxe pipe on it, which is attached to the ice bridge about 6" off of the
> wall, but has a decent view of the west and south and is tracking 10 out of
> 12 sats. About 190 feet of cable to the radios. And they haven't lost sync
> since they've been up, about three weeks. And I just jinxed it knowing my
> luck.
>
> On 11/24/2016 5:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> If the orange LED is blinking, then the injector is receiving sync, and
> 1PPS Active should = 1 (if you have a base unit connected to see it).
>
> Kurt, what software is your 450i running? FWIW, I have a limited number of
> 450i APs up, but I have some on SyncBox Junior's (don't get the GPS data)
> and the one PowerInjector+Sync at the NOC. All of my 450 and 450i is
> running 14.1.2. Perhaps Cambium changed something in 14.2+.
>
> I would verify that the port has sync enabled. Obviously you'd need a base
> unit connected. I've plugged radios in backwards on more than one occasion.
> Injector upside down for one reason or another, so the radios ended up 4
> thru 1 instead of 1 thru 4 because I wasn't paying attention. Port 4 is at
> the end closest to the SyncPipe/sync daisy chain ports. That's the most
> obvious issue if you turned off the sync pulse on a port to run an
> AirFiber. But if multiple people have had the same problem, then my theory
> is bunk.
>
> On 11/24/2016 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I had that same problem last week. Finally started working on its own.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
>
> Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same
> problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector
> plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector
> in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running
> in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it
> is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours
> now. Will keep checking back here.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide
>> for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
>> is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.com/
>> downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
>> and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
>> effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be
>>> ok.
>>>
>>> If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port
>>> and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in
>>> the field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron
>>> column for the sync row for that port to '0').
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power
 some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I
 don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port
 with an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way
 to turn off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to
 it and turn it off through the web interface?

 On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

> I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE
> PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly
> after boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in lin

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

[Adam Moffett]

I've read about it before.  Sounds like the prevalent theory is that the 
prankster(s) hijacked the STL connections in both incidents.


I wonder if there was any security in place on STL back then.  I wonder 
if there is today.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/24/2016 5:00:08 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: max headroom


I don't remember this
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161124/downtown/max-headroom-1987-chicago-wgn-wttw-unsolved-mystery

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[George Skorup]

BTW, the GigE PowerInjector+Sync that I have at the NOC running the four 
450i's is the newest I have with s/n 118966. It has a pretty old Rev G 
Deluxe pipe on it, which is attached to the ice bridge about 6" off of 
the wall, but has a decent view of the west and south and is tracking 10 
out of 12 sats. About 190 feet of cable to the radios. And they haven't 
lost sync since they've been up, about three weeks. And I just jinxed it 
knowing my luck.


On 11/24/2016 5:27 PM, George Skorup wrote:
If the orange LED is blinking, then the injector is receiving sync, 
and 1PPS Active should = 1 (if you have a base unit connected to see it).


Kurt, what software is your 450i running? FWIW, I have a limited 
number of 450i APs up, but I have some on SyncBox Junior's (don't get 
the GPS data) and the one PowerInjector+Sync at the NOC. All of my 450 
and 450i is running 14.1.2. Perhaps Cambium changed something in 14.2+.


I would verify that the port has sync enabled. Obviously you'd need a 
base unit connected. I've plugged radios in backwards on more than one 
occasion. Injector upside down for one reason or another, so the 
radios ended up 4 thru 1 instead of 1 thru 4 because I wasn't paying 
attention. Port 4 is at the end closest to the SyncPipe/sync daisy 
chain ports. That's the most obvious issue if you turned off the sync 
pulse on a port to run an AirFiber. But if multiple people have had 
the same problem, then my theory is bunk.


On 11/24/2016 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I had that same problem last week. Finally started working on its own.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact 
same problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power 
Injector plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another 
Sync Injector in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and 
the AP is running in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing 
receiving any sync at all and it is decided to Generate its own Sync. 
Has been running for a couple hours now. Will keep checking back here.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there
a guide for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings
per brand?
is it just the same as
http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf

only with the pin order backward?
and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List
Account)  wrote:

Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is
it would be ok.
If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync
on that port and the injector will remember it, so you don't
have to put a base unit in the field with it, just for the
programming.   (You'd set the poweron column for the sync row
for that port to '0').
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
 wrote:

I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I
want to power some Airfibers with these do I need to turn
the sync off for those ports? I don't see a jumper to
turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port with
an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like
the only way to turn off sync is buy the additional site
monitor base thing to hookup to it and turn it off
through the web interface?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup
 wrote:

I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower
fed from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync. They're running
14.1.2. They received sync shortly after boot, DFS,
etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm
like two short at the moment. But we know that
1000Base-T and sync over power + the older APC's
don't play nice anyway.

On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting
sync and couldn't figure out why... in one case
(maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I was
getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz
AP that were both plugged into the same sync
injector... I didn't really need sync on the 900mhz
at the time, so I just switched it to generate it's
own timing, and I haven't gotten around to trying to
figure it out yet, but now I'm wondering if it would
   

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The 450i is extremely sensitive to any transition noise on the pulse.
There's a hidden command in the cambium radios which you may want to try.
I'm sending you a email off-list with it in caseyou want to try it.


On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same
> problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector
> plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector
> in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running
> in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it
> is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours
> now. Will keep checking back here.
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide
>> for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
>> is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.c
>> om/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
>> and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
>> effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be
>>> ok.
>>>
>>> If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port
>>> and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in
>>> the field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron
>>> column for the sync row for that port to '0').
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power
 some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I
 don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port
 with an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way
 to turn off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to
 it and turn it off through the web interface?

 On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

> I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE
> PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly
> after boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like 
> two
> short at the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + the
> older APC's don't play nice anyway.
>
> On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't
> figure out why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I
> was getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were both
> plugged into the same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the
> 900mhz at the time, so I just switched it to generate it's own timing, and
> I haven't gotten around to trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm
> wondering if it would eventually come up if I left it alone.
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the 450i
>>> and
>>> started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  Half
>>> hour
>>> or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be Cambium, not
>>> Packetflux.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the
>> binary tab and that the used pulse count is increasing on the analog tab.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[George Skorup]

If the orange LED is blinking, then the injector is receiving sync, and 
1PPS Active should = 1 (if you have a base unit connected to see it).


Kurt, what software is your 450i running? FWIW, I have a limited number 
of 450i APs up, but I have some on SyncBox Junior's (don't get the GPS 
data) and the one PowerInjector+Sync at the NOC. All of my 450 and 450i 
is running 14.1.2. Perhaps Cambium changed something in 14.2+.


I would verify that the port has sync enabled. Obviously you'd need a 
base unit connected. I've plugged radios in backwards on more than one 
occasion. Injector upside down for one reason or another, so the radios 
ended up 4 thru 1 instead of 1 thru 4 because I wasn't paying attention. 
Port 4 is at the end closest to the SyncPipe/sync daisy chain ports. 
That's the most obvious issue if you turned off the sync pulse on a port 
to run an AirFiber. But if multiple people have had the same problem, 
then my theory is bunk.


On 11/24/2016 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I had that same problem last week. Finally started working on its own.
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync
Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact 
same problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power 
Injector plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another 
Sync Injector in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and 
the AP is running in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving 
any sync at all and it is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been 
running for a couple hours now. Will keep checking back here.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there
a guide for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings
per brand?
is it just the same as
http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf

only with the pin order backward?
and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:

Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is
it would be ok.
If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on
that port and the injector will remember it, so you don't have
to put a base unit in the field with it, just for the
programming.   (You'd set the poweron column for the sync row
for that port to '0').
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
 wrote:

I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I
want to power some Airfibers with these do I need to turn
the sync off for those ports? I don't see a jumper to turn
off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port with an
Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the
only way to turn off sync is buy the additional site
monitor base thing to hookup to it and turn it off through
the web interface?
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup
 wrote:

I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower
fed from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync. They're running
14.1.2. They received sync shortly after boot, DFS,
etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like
two short at the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T
and sync over power + the older APC's don't play nice
anyway.

On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync
and couldn't figure out why... in one case (maybe
both... I don't remember off hand), I was getting
sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that
were both plugged into the same sync injector... I
didn't really need sync on the 900mhz at the time, so
I just switched it to generate it's own timing, and I
haven't gotten around to trying to figure it out yet,
but now I'm wondering if it would eventually come up
if I left it alone.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen
 wrote:

On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I had all the packet flux gear running for
days, plugged in the 450i and
started trying to figure out why it was not
receiving sync.  Half hour
or more later it said it was OK, so the de

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Chuck McCown]

I had that same problem last week. Finally started working on its own.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same 
problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector plus 
Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector in the 
same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running in Autosync+ 
Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it is decided to 
Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours now. Will keep 
checking back here.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide for 
the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand? 
  is it just the same as 
http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the 
pin order backward?
  and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that effectively 
put the two inputs in parallel?

  On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be 
ok. 

If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port 
and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in the 
field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron column for 
the sync row for that port to '0').

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power 
some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I 
don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port with 
an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way to turn 
off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to it and turn 
it off through the web interface?

  On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE 
PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly after 
boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like two short at 
the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + the older APC's 
don't play nice anyway.


On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't 
figure out why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I was 
getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were both plugged 
into the same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the 900mhz at the 
time, so I just switched it to generate it's own timing, and I haven't gotten 
around to trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm wondering if it would 
eventually come up if I left it alone.


  On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the 
450i and
  started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  Half 
hour
  or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be Cambium, 
not
  Packetflux.



Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the 
binary tab and that the used pulse count is increasing on the analog tab.

~Seth









-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Paul Stewart]

Around here it’s lost it’s “fizzle” because now there are Black Friday month 
long sale, pre-black friday sales, black friday sales, cyber monday sales… it 
just seems to go on and on, where it used to be two really big days of sales….

I do all my shopping online anyways … hate lineups and crowds ;)


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I saw an article that Black Friday isn’t a thing with millennials.  I 
> wouldn’t miss it.  I remember going to Oak Brook Mall or Michigan Avenue in 
> Chicago in the lightly falling snow to look at the Christmas displays and 
> store windows, maybe pop into Crate & Barrel and look for some gifts.  
> Standing in line in the Target parking lot after Thanksgiving dinner to get 
> doorbuster deals on TVs and iPhones just isn’t the same.  I know some people 
> love it though.
>  
> I think the past couple years when stores moved the doorbuster sales up to 
> Thursday night, they jumped the shark and started a backlash, and just pushed 
> more people to shopping online.
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!
>  
> Happy Thanksgiving to our American friends and neighbours … our Thanksgiving 
> in Canada of course is a few weeks earlier… means we can digest all that 
> great food in time for Black Friday shopping!!!  :)
>  
>  
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>  
>> God bless us all... Including our international friends.   
>>  
>> On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" > > wrote:
>>> I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends, 
>>> health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of 
>>> folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest 
>>> people I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes 
>>> people's lives in very real tangible ways.  
>>>  
>>> I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in 
>>> new/improved technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say 
>>> in our own destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!
>>>  
>>> I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages 
>>> for the holiday weekend!)
>>>  
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519  Office
>>> 574-220-7826  Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit power injector + sync

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Ok, I just put a new PMP450i on a tower and am running into the exact same
problem the Original Poster had here. I have the Gigabit Power Injector
plus Sync and it is blinking for receiving sync from another Sync Injector
in the same enclosure via the included jumper cable and the AP is running
in Autosync+ Freerun and it is not showing receiving any sync at all and it
is decided to Generate its own Sync. Has been running for a couple hours
now. Will keep checking back here.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> all this talk of the new units i opened our box of them, is there a guide
> for the 10/100 and gigabit powerinjector jumper settings per brand?
> is it just the same as http://tickets.packetflux.com/downloads/
> poeinjectorjumpers.pdf only with the pin order backward?
> and if a guy put a 3pin connector on the A/B selector, would that
> effectively put the two inputs in parallel?
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Depends on the power circuitry on the airfiber.  My guess is it would be
>> ok.
>>
>> If you have a base unit, you can actually turn off the sync on that port
>> and the injector will remember it, so you don't have to put a base unit in
>> the field with it, just for the programming.   (You'd set the poweron
>> column for the sync row for that port to '0').
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just received my first powerinjector + sync today. If I want to power
>>> some Airfibers with these do I need to turn the sync off for those ports? I
>>> don't see a jumper to turn off sync, is it ok to provider sync on a port
>>> with an Airfiber? Does it hurt anything? It looks to me like the only way
>>> to turn off sync is buy the additional site monitor base thing to hookup to
>>> it and turn it off through the web interface?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have four 5GHz 450i's running on our office tower fed from a GigE
 PowerInjector+Sync. They're running 14.1.2. They received sync shortly
 after boot, DFS, etc. BTW, no GigE-APC's in line on these yet. I'm like two
 short at the moment. But we know that 1000Base-T and sync over power + the
 older APC's don't play nice anyway.

 On 11/21/2016 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 I've had a couple of them where I wasn't getting sync and couldn't
 figure out why... in one case (maybe both... I don't remember off hand), I
 was getting sync to an ePMP, but not to a PMP450i 900mhz AP that were both
 plugged into the same sync injector... I didn't really need sync on the
 900mhz at the time, so I just switched it to generate it's own timing, and
 I haven't gotten around to trying to figure it out yet, but now I'm
 wondering if it would eventually come up if I left it alone.

 On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Seth Mattinen 
 wrote:

> On 11/21/16 10:39, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I had all the packet flux gear running for days, plugged in the 450i
>> and
>> started trying to figure out why it was not receiving sync.  Half hour
>> or more later it said it was OK, so the delay had to be Cambium, not
>> Packetflux.
>>
>
>
> Check if the packetflux says it has fix and 1PPS is active on the
> binary tab and that the used pulse count is increasing on the analog tab.
>
> ~Seth
>



>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Ken Hohhof]

I saw an article that Black Friday isn’t a thing with millennials.  I wouldn’t 
miss it.  I remember going to Oak Brook Mall or Michigan Avenue in Chicago in 
the lightly falling snow to look at the Christmas displays and store windows, 
maybe pop into Crate & Barrel and look for some gifts.  Standing in line in the 
Target parking lot after Thanksgiving dinner to get doorbuster deals on TVs and 
iPhones just isn’t the same.  I know some people love it though.

 

I think the past couple years when stores moved the doorbuster sales up to 
Thursday night, they jumped the shark and started a backlash, and just pushed 
more people to shopping online.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Happy Thanksgiving to our American friends and neighbours … our Thanksgiving in 
Canada of course is a few weeks earlier… means we can digest all that great 
food in time for Black Friday shopping!!!  :)

 

 

On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

God bless us all... Including our international friends.   

 

On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" mailto:jeffl...@att.net> > wrote:

I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends, 
health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of 
folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest people 
I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes people's 
lives in very real tangible ways.  

 

I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in new/improved 
technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say in our own 
destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!

 

I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages for 
the holiday weekend!)

 

Jeff



Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519   Office

574-220-7826   Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  

 

[AFMUG] Ot: max headroom

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I don't remember this
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161124/downtown/max-headroom-1987-chicago-wgn-wttw-unsolved-mystery

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

[Paul Stewart]

Procera does shaping quite well …. something I would though suggest discussing 
with them in depth to better understand re specific use cases.  


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine 
> or Saisei, etc.) use?
>  
> I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
> queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
> implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.
>  
> I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
> bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
> misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
> unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  
> The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce 
> much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance 
> until the packet drop rate hits about 45%. <>
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>  
> Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
> I’m told
>  
>  
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator > > wrote:
>>  
>> Procera was/is for sale!
>>  
>> Ouch ….
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ 
>> 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>  
>> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically 
>> a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, 
>> the temperature range is pretty narrow.
>>  
>> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the 
>> temperature specs they want.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>  
>> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
>> features
>>  
>>  
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
>>> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box 
>>> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature 
>>> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator >> > wrote:
 Kurt,
 We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to 
 do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an 
 increasing number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! 
 for one.
  
 Steve
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
  
 Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
 someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues 
 which is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an 
 application like only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that 
 then that's where things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera 
 myself for that and although I havn't tried any of the other brands you 
 mention I am very happy with the Procera.
  
 On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator >>> > wrote:
 We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
 Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over 
 time that I was going to look into:
  
 Saisei
 NetEqualizer
 Packeteer (Bluecoat)
 NetEnforcer (Allot)
 Network Composer (Cymphonix)
 Exinda
  
 Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?
  
 Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Paul Stewart]

Happy Thanksgiving to our American friends and neighbours … our Thanksgiving in 
Canada of course is a few weeks earlier… means we can digest all that great 
food in time for Black Friday shopping!!!  :)


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> God bless us all... Including our international friends.  
> 
> 
> On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  > wrote:
> I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends, 
> health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of 
> folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest people 
> I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes people's 
> lives in very real tangible ways.  
> 
> I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in new/improved 
> technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say in our own 
> destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!
> 
> I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages for 
> the holiday weekend!)
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519  Office
> 574-220-7826  Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I look forward to posts by you and Ken.  Spices up the List!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 4:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> you know, today is a good day to remember that we are pretty blessed to be 
> able to have these opinions, disagreements, and even hatreds of one another, 
> without any real fear of retribution. I make sure my kids are aware there are 
> children today who arent celebrating, and not just because their nation 
> doesnt celebrate thanksgiving, theyre busy living in fear of anything from 
> torture to death or worse, starvation, a plethora of terrible things. I also 
> remind them there are kids here in the usa who whether because of finance, or 
> immigration status, or any one of a number of terrible alternatives wont be 
> sitting around an overflowing table listening to adults complain. not that 
> thanksgiving actually has anything to do with a feast between indians and 
> pilgrims, but those smiling indians in the school pictures are currently 
> being hosed down because they feel treaties have been violated. Im very 
> thankful to have been put in a position I only need to talk to my kids about 
> this, and not have to explain why theyre living it. I might be a prick, but 
> im not unaware of how good we all have it.
> and this list, without which I would have been unemployed years ago
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> When Trump heard that Obama was pardoning 2 turkeys, Reince Priebus had to 
>> explain it wasn’t Bill and Hillary.  Next year the turkeys will be 
>> waterboarded.  Or he could appoint Sarah Palin, who has experience pardoning 
>> turkeys for the cameras:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HEFmFOlSaQ
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:17 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ameen..
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Happy Thanksgiving to all, may your meals be tasty, your family gatherings 
>> be warm, and your travels safe.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:14:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!
>> 
>> God bless us all... Including our international friends.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends, 
>> health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of 
>> folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest people 
>> I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes people's 
>> lives in very real tangible ways.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in 
>> new/improved technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say 
>> in our own destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages for 
>> the holiday weekend!)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> 
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> 
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you know, today is a good day to remember that we are pretty blessed to be
able to have these opinions, disagreements, and even hatreds of one
another, without any real fear of retribution. I make sure my kids are
aware there are children today who arent celebrating, and not just because
their nation doesnt celebrate thanksgiving, theyre busy living in fear of
anything from torture to death or worse, starvation, a plethora of terrible
things. I also remind them there are kids here in the usa who whether
because of finance, or immigration status, or any one of a number of
terrible alternatives wont be sitting around an overflowing table listening
to adults complain. not that thanksgiving actually has anything to do with
a feast between indians and pilgrims, but those smiling indians in the
school pictures are currently being hosed down because they feel treaties
have been violated. Im very thankful to have been put in a position I only
need to talk to my kids about this, and not have to explain why theyre
living it. I might be a prick, but im not unaware of how good we all have
it.
and this list, without which I would have been unemployed years ago

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When Trump heard that Obama was pardoning 2 turkeys, Reince Priebus had to
> explain it wasn’t Bill and Hillary.  Next year the turkeys will be
> waterboarded.  Or he could appoint Sarah Palin, who has experience
> pardoning turkeys for the cameras:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HEFmFOlSaQ
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!
>
>
>
> Ameen..
>
>
>
> Happy Thanksgiving to all, may your meals be tasty, your family gatherings
> be warm, and your travels safe.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:14:57 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!
>
> God bless us all... Including our international friends.
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
> wrote:
>
> I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends,
> health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of
> folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest
> people I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes
> people's lives in very real tangible ways.
>
>
>
> I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in
> new/improved technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say
> in our own destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!
>
>
>
> I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages
> for the holiday weekend!)
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Ken Hohhof]

When Trump heard that Obama was pardoning 2 turkeys, Reince Priebus had to 
explain it wasn’t Bill and Hillary.  Next year the turkeys will be 
waterboarded.  Or he could appoint Sarah Palin, who has experience pardoning 
turkeys for the cameras:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HEFmFOlSaQ

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Ameen..

 

Happy Thanksgiving to all, may your meals be tasty, your family gatherings be 
warm, and your travels safe.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 

  _  

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:14:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

God bless us all... Including our international friends.  

 

On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" mailto:jeffl...@att.net> > wrote:



I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends, 
health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of 
folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest people 
I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes people's 
lives in very real tangible ways.  

 

I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in new/improved 
technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say in our own 
destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!

 

I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages for 
the holiday weekend!)

 

Jeff



Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519   Office

574-220-7826   Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[Ken Hohhof]

There are 3 strategies for dinner:

 

1)  What should we pick up at the market to make for dinner tonight?

2)  What do we have in the pantry/fridge to make for dinner?

3)  Where should we go for dinner?

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

 

I was going to comment on Chucks jar stuff but he chastised once when he said 
not everyone has a Red Iguana near them... I don't even know what that is but 
we are a stone throw away from Hatch, NM Nothing like fresh chile!!   

 

On Nov 24, 2016 1:11 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I dont know if jaime is aware vegetables come in jars, every pic he posts 
appears to be made with fresh stuff

 

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

They need little smokey's inside.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:54 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

 

Yum yum

 

On Nov 24, 2016 10:36 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

The ones I made were picked pepprocinis from a jar.  

Cut the end off, gut them and use cake decorating equipment to fill them.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:02 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

 

I will give you a few.   We have plenty... 

 

On Nov 24, 2016 9:56 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

oooh yum 

im going to make this

but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix

it will be a hoot

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled egg 
stuffing.

 

Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate practically the 
whole batch.  

Better than deviled eggs for sure.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

Late night tv has an egg popper

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar in 
the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick today seems 
like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a good method?





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

somebody should start a dedicated amfug recipe archive

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I was going to comment on Chucks jar stuff but he chastised once when he
> said not everyone has a Red Iguana near them... I don't even know what that
> is but we are a stone throw away from Hatch, NM Nothing like fresh
> chile!!
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 1:11 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont know if jaime is aware vegetables come in jars, every pic he posts
>> appears to be made with fresh stuff
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> They need little smokey's inside.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:54 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack
>>>
>>>
>>> Yum yum
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2016 10:36 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> The ones I made were picked pepprocinis from a jar.
>>> Cut the end off, gut them and use cake decorating equipment to fill
>>> them.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:02 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack
>>>
>>>
>>> I will give you a few.   We have plenty...
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2016 9:56 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 oooh yum
 im going to make this
 but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix
 it will be a hoot

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled
> egg stuffing.
>
> Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate
> practically the whole batch.
> Better than deviled eggs for sure.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
>
> Late night tv has an egg popper
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put
>> vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same
>> trick today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody
>> got a good method?
>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[Jaime Solorza]

I was going to comment on Chucks jar stuff but he chastised once when he
said not everyone has a Red Iguana near them... I don't even know what that
is but we are a stone throw away from Hatch, NM Nothing like fresh
chile!!

On Nov 24, 2016 1:11 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> I dont know if jaime is aware vegetables come in jars, every pic he posts
> appears to be made with fresh stuff
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> They need little smokey's inside.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:54 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack
>>
>>
>> Yum yum
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2016 10:36 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> The ones I made were picked pepprocinis from a jar.
>> Cut the end off, gut them and use cake decorating equipment to fill
>> them.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:02 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack
>>
>>
>> I will give you a few.   We have plenty...
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2016 9:56 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> oooh yum
>>> im going to make this
>>> but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix
>>> it will be a hoot
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled egg
 stuffing.

 Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate
 practically the whole batch.
 Better than deviled eggs for sure.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs


 Late night tv has an egg popper

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put
> vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same
> trick today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody
> got a good method?
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I dont know if jaime is aware vegetables come in jars, every pic he posts
appears to be made with fresh stuff

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They need little smokey's inside.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:54 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack
>
>
> Yum yum
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 10:36 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> The ones I made were picked pepprocinis from a jar.
> Cut the end off, gut them and use cake decorating equipment to fill them.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:02 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack
>
>
> I will give you a few.   We have plenty...
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 9:56 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> oooh yum
>> im going to make this
>> but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix
>> it will be a hoot
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled egg
>>> stuffing.
>>>
>>> Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate
>>> practically the whole batch.
>>> Better than deviled eggs for sure.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>>>
>>>
>>> Late night tv has an egg popper
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put
 vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same
 trick today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody
 got a good method?

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Eggxactly

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

geeks! FTW!

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 5 saucepans and 1 pot.
> 6 burner Comstock Castle restaurant stove.
> 24,000 BTU per burner.
>
> 1 quart of water in each.
> A bit of variability in pan sizes.
> All eggs from same carton.  Cold refrigerator temp.
>
> 4 Variables
> Cold Start/Hot Start
> Plain Water
> Vinegar only added
> Vinegar & Salt added
>
> V = 1/2 cup distilled
> S = 1.5 TB
>
> Count starting with top left burner CCW around cook top.
>
> 1 CW
> 2 CV
> 3 CVS
> 4 HW
> 5 HV
> 6 HVS
>
> In the photo of the cut eggs the order from left to right is 123654
>
> Salt and Vinegar boiled first which seems backwards to me.  Freezing point
> depression, boiling point elevation of solutions.
> I suspect it had to do with nucleation sites.
>
> Water boils at 204 at this altitude.
> HVS boiled at 206
> W boiled at 202
> HV boiled at 208
>
> Took a full 9 minutes to hit a full rolling boil.
> Cooked the Cold start eggs 18 minutes total.  Heat off at 9 minutes.
> Cooked the Hot start eggs about 14 minutes boiling and another 2-3 with
> heat off.
>
> Single blind study.  Wife peeled and rated.
> Rated ease of peeling on 1-10, with first egg arbitrarily assigned a 5.
>
> 1CW5Peeling came off in large pieces, egg broke during peeling
> 2CV 5Broke egg
> 3CVS5  Broke egg
> 4HW6  Peeling came off in sheets
> 5HV 6  Peeling came off in sheets
> 6HVS   7  Peeling came off in sheets
>
> 1 & 4 were cooked enough for me.  All the others had a dark yellow
> slightly wet interior to the yolk.
>
> So, it appears that placing them into a rolling boil kept the egg more
> structurally sound, helped the peeling come off in sheets.
> Vinegar and Salt appears to help the peel detach.
>
> I think I would up the cook time to at least 15 minutes rolling boil with
> a few minutes to soak after the heat is off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this is false, i did the one like this with the eggs in tupperware, it
makes nice scrambled eggs and shells

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> I guess you have not seen this technique ?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWISKfgqZ0
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:54:16 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar
> in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick
> today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a
> good method?
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

[Ken Hohhof]

Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine or 
Saisei, etc.) use?

 

I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.

 

I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  The 
rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce much 
delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance until 
the packet drop rate hits about 45%.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

 

Procera was/is for sale!

 

Ouch ….

 

  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < 
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
 wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:  af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
 wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Faisal Imtiaz]

 Not sure which is more dangerous, a pressure cooker, or a giant deep 
 fryer. 

Anything in the kitchen, when used improperly, or carelessly is dangerous. 

In my house, we have three generations of ladies who have been using the 
pressure cooker... 
bad things only happy if one is neglectful... (i.e. not sealing it correctly or 
not turning of the stove at the proper time... 
and or trying to open it while under pressure...). 

Interesting thought about combining pressure cooker and deep frying. 
one would have to be careful in not over doing it with the pressure cooker... 
(it breaks down tough tissue very quickly), you can have a mashed chicken if 
you leave it for too long.. 

But proper marination and deep frying will also have the 'bird' (chicken or 
turkey) meat fall of the bone.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:21:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

> Good thin g, you might have to answer some questions if you go shopping for a
> pressure cooker.

> If you’re one of those people who deep fry your turkey, that could be another
> variation. Not sure which is more dangerous, a pressure cooker, or a giant 
> deep
> fryer.

> Another question: if you crank up the pressure enough, will the eggs peel
> themselves when you release the pressure?

> And what about the KFC method, which combines deep frying and a pressure 
> cooker?
> Inquiring juvenile minds want to know.

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, November 24 , 2016 12:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

> Yeah, my wife wants me to do that. We have a instant pot automatic pressure
> cooker.

> From: Ken Hohhof

> Sent: Thursday, November 24 , 2016 11:13 AM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

> Or you could try this:

> http://allrecipes.com/recipe/237562/pressure-cooker-hard-boiled-eggs/

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, November 24 , 2016 11:48 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

> The salt will increase the boiling temperature a bit. Not sure what the 
> vinegar
> does. The boiling temperature will decrease at higher altitudes; so if you're
> above 3500' elevation or thereabouts, that may impact boiling temperature.

> But it's true that you don't want eggs that are "too fresh". based on what 
> I've
> heard, you want them to be aged a little bit.

> bp
> 

> On 11/24/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>> I do peel under cold water.� Seems some are totally stuck to the egg.� 
>> Maybe
>> I am not using enough vinegar in the water.�

>> Many sites say to use both vinegar and salt in the water.�

>> One site swears by dropping them into boiling water, then into an ice bath 
>> after
>> for perfect peeling.�

>> �

>> They claim the cold start makes for hard peeling.�

>> �

>> This site claims boiling start, salt, vinegar and a perfect outcome.� I may
>> give it a try.

>> �

>> http://allrecipes.com/recipe/213737/kens-perfect-hard-boiled-egg-and-i-mean-perfect/

>> �

>> From: Gino Villarini

>> Sent: Thursday, November 24 , 2016 5:40 AM

>> To: af@afmug.com

>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

>> �

>> What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps..

>> �

>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of " li...@packetflux.com " <
>> li...@packetflux.com >
>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Date: Thursday, November 24 , 2016 at 2:36 AM
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

>> �

>> Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - fresher
>> eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier.

>> �

>> Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve 
>> about
>> 99% of the problems.�� Not sure which property of water helps in this 
>> case,
>> but shells come right off.

>> �

>> �

>> �

>> �

>> �

>> �

>> Gino Villarini

>> President

>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>> On Wed, Nov 23 , 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:
>>> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.� Seemed like when I was a kid we put 
>>> vinegar in
>>> the water to help the shells slough off.� But trying the same trick today
>>> seems like� the shells are super glued to the egg.�� Anybody got a 
>>> good
>>> method?

>> �

>> --

>> Forrest Christian � CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

>> Tel: 406-449-3345 � | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

>> forre...@imach.com � | http://www.packetflux.com

>> � �

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Ken Hohhof]

Good thing, you might have to answer some questions if you go shopping for a
pressure cooker.

 

If you’re one of those people who deep fry your turkey, that could be
another variation.  Not sure which is more dangerous, a pressure cooker, or
a giant deep fryer.

 

Another question:  if you crank up the pressure enough, will the eggs peel
themselves when you release the pressure?

 

And what about the KFC method, which combines deep frying and a pressure
cooker?  Inquiring juvenile minds want to know.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

Yeah, my wife wants me to do that.  We  have a instant pot automatic
pressure cooker.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:13 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

Or you could try this:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/237562/pressure-cooker-hard-boiled-eggs/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

The salt will increase the boiling temperature a bit. Not sure what the
vinegar does. The boiling temperature will decrease at higher altitudes; so
if you're above 3500' elevation or thereabouts, that may impact boiling
temperature.

But it's true that you don't want eggs that are "too fresh". based on what
I've heard, you want them to be aged a little bit.

 

bp

 

On 11/24/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I do peel under cold water.� Seems some are totally stuck to the egg.�
Maybe I am not using enough vinegar in the water.� 

Many sites say to use both vinegar and salt in the water.� 

One site swears by dropping them into boiling water, then into an ice bath
after for perfect peeling.� 

�

They claim the cold start makes for hard peeling.� 

�

This site claims boiling start, salt, vinegar and a perfect outcome.� I
may give it a try.

�

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/213737/kens-perfect-hard-boiled-egg-and-i-mean-
perfect/

�

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:40 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

�

What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps.. 

�

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
"li...@packetflux.com  " mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

�

Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - fresher
eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier. 

�

Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve
about 99% of the problems.�� Not sure which property of water helps in
this case, but shells come right off.

�

�

�

�

�


�

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.� Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar
in the water to help the shells slough off.� But trying the same trick
today seems like� the shells are super glued to the egg.�� Anybody got
a good method?





�

-- 


Forrest Christian�CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345�| Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com�|  
http://www.packetflux.com

  �
 �  

  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[Chuck McCown]

They need little smokey's inside.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:54 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

Yum yum


On Nov 24, 2016 10:36 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  The ones I made were picked pepprocinis from a jar.  
  Cut the end off, gut them and use cake decorating equipment to fill them.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:02 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

  I will give you a few.   We have plenty... 


  On Nov 24, 2016 9:56 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

oooh yum 
im going to make this
but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix
it will be a hoot

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled egg 
stuffing.

  Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate practically 
the whole batch.  
  Better than deviled eggs for sure.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

  Late night tv has an egg popper



  On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put 
vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick 
today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a good 
method?




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, my wife wants me to do that.  We  have a instant pot automatic pressure 
cooker.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

Or you could try this:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/237562/pressure-cooker-hard-boiled-eggs/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

The salt will increase the boiling temperature a bit. Not sure what the vinegar 
does. The boiling temperature will decrease at higher altitudes; so if you're 
above 3500' elevation or thereabouts, that may impact boiling temperature.

But it's true that you don't want eggs that are "too fresh". based on what I've 
heard, you want them to be aged a little bit.

 

bp On 11/24/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I do peel under cold water.� Seems some are totally stuck to the egg.� 
Maybe I am not using enough vinegar in the water.� 

  Many sites say to use both vinegar and salt in the water.� 

  One site swears by dropping them into boiling water, then into an ice bath 
after for perfect peeling.� 

  �

  They claim the cold start makes for hard peeling.� 

  �

  This site claims boiling start, salt, vinegar and a perfect outcome.� I may 
give it a try.

  �

  
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/213737/kens-perfect-hard-boiled-egg-and-i-mean-perfect/

  �

  From: Gino Villarini 

  Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:40 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

  �

  What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps.. 

  �

  From: Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" 

  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

  �

  Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - fresher 
eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier. 

  �

  Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve 
about 99% of the problems.�� Not sure which property of water helps in this 
case, but shells come right off.

  �

  �

  �

  �

  �

�

Gino Villarini
   
President
   
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
   



  On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.� Seemed like when I was a kid we put 
vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.� But trying the same 
trick today seems like� the shells are super glued to the egg.�� Anybody 
got a good method?





  �

  -- 

Forrest Christian�CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345�| Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com�| http://www.packetflux.com

��
   



 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Ken Hohhof]

Or you could try this:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/237562/pressure-cooker-hard-boiled-eggs/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

The salt will increase the boiling temperature a bit. Not sure what the
vinegar does. The boiling temperature will decrease at higher altitudes; so
if you're above 3500' elevation or thereabouts, that may impact boiling
temperature.

But it's true that you don't want eggs that are "too fresh". based on what
I've heard, you want them to be aged a little bit.

 

bp

 

On 11/24/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I do peel under cold water.� Seems some are totally stuck to the egg.�
Maybe I am not using enough vinegar in the water.� 

Many sites say to use both vinegar and salt in the water.� 

One site swears by dropping them into boiling water, then into an ice bath
after for perfect peeling.� 

�

They claim the cold start makes for hard peeling.� 

�

This site claims boiling start, salt, vinegar and a perfect outcome.� I
may give it a try.

�

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/213737/kens-perfect-hard-boiled-egg-and-i-mean-
perfect/

�

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:40 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

�

What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps.. 

�

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
"li...@packetflux.com  " mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

�

Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - fresher
eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier. 

�

Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve
about 99% of the problems.�� Not sure which property of water helps in
this case, but shells come right off.

�

�

�

�

�


�

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.� Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar
in the water to help the shells slough off.� But trying the same trick
today seems like� the shells are super glued to the egg.�� Anybody got
a good method?





�

-- 


Forrest Christian�CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345�| Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com�|  
http://www.packetflux.com

  �
 �  

  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Bill Prince]

The salt will increase the boiling temperature a bit. Not sure what the 
vinegar does. The boiling temperature will decrease at higher altitudes; 
so if you're above 3500' elevation or thereabouts, that may impact 
boiling temperature.


But it's true that you don't want eggs that are "too fresh". based on 
what I've heard, you want them to be aged a little bit.



bp


On 11/24/2016 9:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do peel under cold water.  Seems some are totally stuck to the egg.  
Maybe I am not using enough vinegar in the water.

Many sites say to use both vinegar and salt in the water.
One site swears by dropping them into boiling water, then into an ice 
bath after for perfect peeling.

They claim the cold start makes for hard peeling.
This site claims boiling start, salt, vinegar and a perfect outcome.  
I may give it a try.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/213737/kens-perfect-hard-boiled-egg-and-i-mean-perfect/
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps..
From: Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - 
fresher eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier.
Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to 
resolve about 99% of the problems.   Not sure which property of water 
helps in this case, but shells come right off.


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put
vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying
the same trick today seems like  the shells are super glued to the
egg.   Anybody got a good method?



--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[Chuck McCown]

The ones I made were picked pepprocinis from a jar.  
Cut the end off, gut them and use cake decorating equipment to fill them.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:02 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

I will give you a few.   We have plenty... 


On Nov 24, 2016 9:56 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  oooh yum 
  im going to make this
  but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix
  it will be a hoot

  On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled egg 
stuffing.

Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate practically 
the whole batch.  
Better than deviled eggs for sure.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

Late night tv has an egg popper



On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put 
vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick 
today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a good 
method?




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Ameen.. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all, may your meals be tasty, your family gatherings be 
warm, and your travels safe. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:14:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

> God bless us all... Including our international friends.

> On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" < jeffl...@att.net > wrote:

>> I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends,
>> health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of
>> folks. I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest people
>> I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes people's
>> lives in very real tangible ways.

>> I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in new/improved
>> technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say in our own
>> destiny. I can't wait to see how it unfolds!

>> I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving! (Oh, and no outages for 
>> the
>> holiday weekend!)

>> Jeff

>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies , Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I guess you have not seen this technique ? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWISKfgqZ0 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:54:16 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs. Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar in 
> the
> water to help the shells slough off. But trying the same trick today seems 
> like
> the shells are super glued to the egg. Anybody got a good method?

Re: [AFMUG] Serial over IP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Serial_Port_Usage 

If I understand your particular scenario.. you are looking to do Item # 5 
(listed above). 

Regards. 

(we often forget that MT/ROS is a highly customized version of linux ) 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:50:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serial over IP

> Ah...I see.

> -- Original Message --
> From: "Trey Scarborough" < t...@3dsc.co >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/23/2016 10:38:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serial over IP

>> YEs you can if you have the model of mikrotiks with serial interfaces. If not
>> you can find a compatable USB to serial adapter as well. I have done this
>> serial->mikrotik->IP_>linux->IP->Mikrotik->Serial before with a linux box
>> connecting the different ip sessions using a raspberry pi/Beagleboard. This
>> could theoretically be done with an openwrt image running on one of the
>> Mikrotiks. all that would need to be done is for it to initiate the 
>> telnet/ssh
>> sessions and bridge them.

>> On 11/22/2016 5:06 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

>>> Could I somehow tunnel the serial connection from the device to the control
>>> panel with Mikrotik? There's no PC in the mix, just a serial DCE to a DTE. 
>>> If a
>>> pair of Mikrotiks could do this, that would save me the trouble of buying
>>> something.
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Trey Scarborough" < t...@3dsc.co >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 11/22/2016 6:01:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serial over IP

 You can always use to mikrotik boards with serial interfaces or usb serial.
 Works quite well.

 On 11/22/2016 1:16 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

> If I want to extend an RS232 connection over IP, what sort of options do 
> I have?
> It's for an LCD control panel for a piece of equipment. Google shows me 
> lots of
> serial-IP servers where it bridges a telnet session to the serial port, 
> but
> that's not what I'm looking for. I know you industrial control guys do 
> this, so
> I'm sure there's a way.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Chuck McCown]

I do peel under cold water.  Seems some are totally stuck to the egg.  Maybe I 
am not using enough vinegar in the water.  
Many sites say to use both vinegar and salt in the water.  
One site swears by dropping them into boiling water, then into an ice bath 
after for perfect peeling.  

They claim the cold start makes for hard peeling.  

This site claims boiling start, salt, vinegar and a perfect outcome.  I may 
give it a try.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/213737/kens-perfect-hard-boiled-egg-and-i-mean-perfect/

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 5:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps.. 

From: Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs


Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - fresher 
eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier. 

Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve about 
99% of the problems.   Not sure which property of water helps in this case, but 
shells come right off.







  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar in 
the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick today seems 
like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a good method?




-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

depends on the time of year too, the shells are thinner in the colder
months, i think its got to do with the feed changing from grain to silage
or something like that, a cook told me once, but i dont recall. boiling
eggs is a fighting matter, my mom and dad wont even discuss it anymore. im
of the bring it to a boil, drop cold eggs in gently with a spoon for 15
minutes, run under cold water in a colander, the shells pop right off, the
yolks are evenly firm, perfect for  devilled eggs. now if i were at my moms
and she walked in to me dropping eggs into boiling water, she would
literally kick me out of her house.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 6:40 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps..
>
> From: Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" <
> li...@packetflux.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
> Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot -
> fresher eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier.
>
> Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve
> about 99% of the problems.   Not sure which property of water helps in this
> case, but shells come right off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put
>> vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same
>> trick today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody
>> got a good method?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT egg snack

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

oooh yum
im going to make this
but im going to sneak two ghost peppers in the mix
it will be a hoot

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> One of they guys at work brought pepperoncinis stuffed with deviled egg
> stuffing.
>
> Yum.  I made a dozen eggs worth a couple of weeks ago and ate practically
> the whole batch.
> Better than deviled eggs for sure.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
>
> Late night tv has an egg popper
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 5:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put
>> vinegar in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same
>> trick today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody
>> got a good method?
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

[Jaime Solorza]

OK... Later as I on kitchen duty

On Nov 24, 2016 9:13 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> Happy Thanksgiving
>
> I would be interested in seeing some pictures of these that you are
> describing (if possible) and also if you have any ref. / docs/ explanation
> of the 'Franklin Method'
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:33:44 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding
>
> We ground all cables from antennas and/or radios at top by mast/tower and
> before it enters cabinets...we use two or three points depending on length
> of cable runs.   As I have stated before, we use an aerial rod with as a
> direct path to ground rod/ring we can install.
> We use the Franklin method which has worked well for us whether is an MDS,
> Schneider or Freewave radio using Heliax RF cable or a POE powered type
> radio such as Ubiquiti , Mimosa or Cambium using Ethernet cable.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> There is a reason for grounding anything ...
>>
>> Just connecting stuff for the sake of connecting to ground is not a good
>> thing, actually is a bad thing.
>>
>> There is a reason why the outer core/conductor shield of LMR cable is
>> connected to the ground using the kits being described, and typically that
>> reason does not apply to the doing the same with Shielded Ethernet cable.
>>
>> I would strongly suggest that folks try to gain an understanding on what
>> they are doing and why they are doing it, rather than hey I see him do this
>> so I am going to do it as well...  :)
>>
>> There are a number of great documents that address what to do and why to
>> do so one such article was / is done by Chris S of Netonix ( posted in
>> the netonix forums), pretty comprehensive, and done with adequate
>> explanations.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:18:51 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding
>>
>> I've never tried those ground kits in real life.  I'm assuming you
>> wouldn't use them on a foil shielded cable but rather one with armor.
>>
>> I don't think I would do it unless the tower owner made me do it.  Even
>> where I was told it had to be R56 the guy doing the inspection was happy
>> with an SS at the bottom for the Ethernet.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 11/22/2016 8:17:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of opinions about this.  R56 doesn't really apply too well to
>>> things that are Ethernet and POE.
>>> Try to bring all grounds back to a single point.  Bond things together
>>> like the ice bridge to the tower so you are not counting on the mechanical
>>> connection to also be the lightning circuit.
>>>
>>> People using my products use the grounding RJ45 plugs which interconnect
>>> to my surge protectors.
>>> You never know which direction the surge will be coming from either.
>>> Many times it comes in on the power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Dev
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:54 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve heard it’s good to ground multiple places, like up by the radio,
>>> down by the turn to the ice bridge and inside the shelter, but how do you
>>> that (and is it necessary) with CAT5e/6? Do you strip a section off the
>>> insulation and tie the drain wire to multiple ground lugs? Sounds hard to
>>> do and not get water in the cable. I just have been running surge
>>> suppressors inside the building that the cable plugs into before heading to
>>> the switches/etc. What should I be doing?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Jaime Solorza]

God bless us all... Including our international friends.

On Nov 24, 2016 8:57 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends,
> health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of
> folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest
> people I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes
> people's lives in very real tangible ways.
>
> I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in
> new/improved technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say
> in our own destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!
>
> I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages
> for the holiday weekend!)
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Jamie, 

Happy Thanksgiving 

I would be interested in seeing some pictures of these that you are describing 
(if possible) and also if you have any ref. / docs/ explanation of the 
'Franklin Method' 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 4:33:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

> We ground all cables from antennas and/or radios at top by mast/tower and 
> before
> it enters cabinets...we use two or three points depending on length of cable
> runs. As I have stated before, we use an aerial rod with as a direct path to
> ground rod/ring we can install.
> We use the Franklin method which has worked well for us whether is an MDS,
> Schneider or Freewave radio using Heliax RF cable or a POE powered type radio
> such as Ubiquiti , Mimosa or Cambium using Ethernet cable.

> Happy Thanksgiving

> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> There is a reason for grounding anything ...

>> Just connecting stuff for the sake of connecting to ground is not a good 
>> thing,
>> actually is a bad thing.

>> There is a reason why the outer core/conductor shield of LMR cable is 
>> connected
>> to the ground using the kits being described, and typically that reason does
>> not apply to the doing the same with Shielded Ethernet cable.

>> I would strongly suggest that folks try to gain an understanding on what they
>> are doing and why they are doing it, rather than hey I see him do this so I 
>> am
>> going to do it as well... :)

>> There are a number of great documents that address what to do and why to do
>> so one such article was / is done by Chris S of Netonix ( posted in the
>> netonix forums), pretty comprehensive, and done with adequate explanations.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:18:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

>>> I've never tried those ground kits in real life. I'm assuming you wouldn't 
>>> use
>>> them on a foil shielded cable but rather one with armor.

>>> I don't think I would do it unless the tower owner made me do it. Even 
>>> where I
>>> was told it had to be R56 the guy doing the inspection was happy with an SS 
>>> at
>>> the bottom for the Ethernet.

>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
>>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>>> Sent: 11/22/2016 8:17:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

 On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

> Lots of opinions about this. R56 doesn't really apply too well to things 
> that
> are Ethernet and POE.
> Try to bring all grounds back to a single point. Bond things together 
> like the
> ice bridge to the tower so you are not counting on the mechanical 
> connection to
> also be the lightning circuit.

> People using my products use the grounding RJ45 plugs which interconnect 
> to my
> surge protectors.
> You never know which direction the surge will be coming from either. Many 
> times
> it comes in on the power.

> -Original Message- From: Dev
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] CAT5e/6 tower grounding

> I’ve heard it’s good to ground multiple places, like up by the radio, 
> down by
> the turn to the ice bridge and inside the shelter, but how do you that 
> (and is
> it necessary) with CAT5e/6? Do you strip a section off the insulation and 
> tie
> the drain wire to multiple ground lugs? Sounds hard to do and not get 
> water in
> the cable. I just have been running surge suppressors inside the building 
> that
> the cable plugs into before heading to the switches/etc. What should I be
> doing?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
 as part
 of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Awesome ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 5:10:19 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Shameless plug Re: CAT5e/6 grounding

> This is the 10th rev and the best yet.

[AFMUG] Happy Thanksgiving!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I have lots of reasons to be thankful personally (faith, family, friends, 
health) and I am, but I'm also thankful to be part of this great group of 
folks.  I get to work and hang out with some of the coolest, smartest people 
I've ever met, and to be a part of a dynamic industry that changes people's 
lives in very real tangible ways.  

I think we are teed up for our best year ever as an industry, in new/improved 
technology, in organization, and in our ability to have a say in our own 
destiny.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds!

I wish you and yours a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  (Oh, and no outages for 
the holiday weekend!)

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Gino Villarini]

What Ken and Forrest said.. The temp change helps..

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"li...@packetflux.com" 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

Buy eggs ahead of time and let them age before cooking helps a lot - fresher 
eggs tend to be more sticky, older eggs peel easier.

Besides that I generally peel under running water which seems to resolve about 
99% of the problems.   Not sure which property of water helps in this case, but 
shells come right off.








Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar in 
the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick today seems 
like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a good method?



--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
http://www.packetflux.com
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