Re: [AFMUG] KP Performance KPPA-900DPY14

[Jerry Head]

We just order the 17s and use the back half of itthen ride back out 
later to put up the other half because...900.


On 5/15/2018 10:23 AM, David Sovereen wrote:

Hi All,

I’m looking for vendors that have these in stock.  My usual supplier 
drop ships from KP and KP is out of stock.


Vendors stocking these (or WISPs who have extra that they don’t want 
or need) are welcome to contact me off-list.


Thanks,

*David Sovereen*
**
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax
Telephone * | *Internet*  | *Security Alarm Monitoring
david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net 

[AFMUG] More GPS troubles

[Jerry Head]

It seems to be happening around 4:30 PM CST. It is the only AP it is 
happening on.
Sorry for the clutter, I applied the 15.1.5 update on it this morning, 
and corrected the time.

Update did not seem to help.
Using a Syncbox JR Aux port for sync.
Beautiful weather too.
Any suggestions?

This just started Wednesday:


System Reset Exception -- User Initiated Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 15.1.3 AP-None
Board Type : P13
Device Setting : 900MHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-45-98-e4 - 
905.50 MHz - 7.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 0 - 5.0 ms - North America/United States

FPGA Version : 111517
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
02/14/2018 : 17:09:04 UTC : :Board Temperature: 14 C / 57 F
02/14/2018 : 17:09:12 UTC : :GPS Date/Time Set;
02/14/2018 : 17:09:16 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
03/13/2018 : 13:16:46 UTC : :Cannot update rcvd quality with invalid LUID 0
05/09/2018 : 21:30:42 UTC : Lost sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/09/2018 : 21:34:49 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/10/2018 : 21:26:20 UTC : Lost sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/10/2018 : 21:28:49 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/10/2018 : 21:28:51 UTC : Lost sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/10/2018 : 21:29:45 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/10/2018 : 21:29:53 UTC : Lost sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/10/2018 : 21:31:22 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/11/2018 : 12:24:57 UTC : :Rebooting to apply new image...
05/11/2018 : 12:24:57 UTC : :Forced reset;
05/11/2018 : 12:24:57 UTC :
**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Reset due to applying new image
Software Version : CANOPY 15.1.5 AP-None
Board Type : P13
Device Setting : 900MHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-45-98-e4 - 
905.50 MHz - 7.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 0 - 5.0 ms - North America/United States

FPGA Version : 020118
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
05/11/2018 : 12:28:15 UTC : :Time Set
05/11/2018 : 12:28:25 UTC : :Board Temperature: 24 C / 75 F
05/11/2018 : 12:28:29 UTC : :GPS Date/Time Set;
05/11/2018 : 12:28:32 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/11/2018 : 14:17:52 UTC : :Cannot update rcvd quality with invalid LUID 0
05/11/2018 : 21:24:43 UTC : Lost sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/11/2018 : 21:24:44 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/11/2018 : 21:25:38 UTC : Lost sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/11/2018 : 21:25:47 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Timing Port/UGPS
05/11/2018 : 16:05:17 CST : :Timezone set to CST
05/11/2018 : 17:05:34 EST : :Timezone set to EST

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Jerry Head]

I would take it in a heartbeat.
900mhz.

On 3/13/2018 7:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was 
very little point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to 
talk to a 2X FSK radio at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 
450AP.    We are finding it painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for 
the same reason and are having to pull those off the network due to 
the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we can do that 
gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 450i 
or 450m AP.


Mark

On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
> wrote:


We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!

Matt
*From:*Af >*On 
Behalf Of*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson > wrote:


FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430
would connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You
didn’t get all the cool features of the 450, but the clients
worked.  ePMP is following the same philosophy.  If anyone out
there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with some great
promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some
pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 
www.mtin.net


www.midwest-ix.com




On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl
> wrote:
This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility
with ePMP 2000.
This document is from January though so maybe that firmware
will be a little later like Q2.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett
> wrote:

In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make
it happen. Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions




Midwest Internet Exchange

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jerry Head]

This may have been said but define "track car" because nothing beats a 
Dodge Demon in the 1/4 mile.


On 3/8/2018 11:59 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to 
buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.


It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the 
new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest 
track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 
million).


Travis


On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very 
nice race track nearby.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag 
though...
Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of 
these???

*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag 
though...
The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or 
later... LOL


Travis


On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is 
cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not 
much out there that can boast these specs) performance 
specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think 
the company would have been successful on its own, but that is the 
car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert  wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy
to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

[AFMUG] This looks ungood.

[Jerry Head]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cyber-espionage-group-infects-victims-through-microtik-routers/ 

[AFMUG] OT Moviepass dying?

[Jerry Head]

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4147391-wrong-moviepass-going-zero

On the other hand Twitter went for well over a decade without turning a 
profit.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3.5.1 new stable?

[Jerry Head]

We are running 3.5.1 on a few hundred units, both 2.4 and 5ghz, seems to 
be working just fine.


On 1/22/2018 2:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


What is everyone thinking on the newest firmware release are you 
willing to consider it the new stable at this point?


We are still running 2.6.1.x on APs at this point and have a mix of it 
and a little 3.3 on SMs. I don�t see any issues on the forums or in 
the notes on the newest version and the few links I have on it have 
been just fine.


Interested to hear everyone else�s thoughts.

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Tesswave antennas

[Jerry Head]

+1


On 1/19/2018 1:58 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Has anyone dealt with Tesswave antennas? Trying to contact them since 
they seem to be the only company with 120deg dual-slant 900mhz 
sectors, but haven't received any replies.


Thanks,
-C

Re: [AFMUG] Memphis

[Jerry Head]

Four-way Internet or something like that is pretty close I think.

On 1/16/2018 12:16 AM, Robert wrote:
Any wireless providers thereabout?   I have a customer that is looking 
for a secondary besides Comcast and says there are too many trees and 
it's too flat for any wireless providers down there...


Thanks,
robert

Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[Jerry Head]

Thank you.

On 1/12/2018 4:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
That's not strictly necessary.  Even HP traffic beyond the HP CIR gets 
higher than standard priority.

.but I do it the same way you do it.


-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/12/2018 3:24:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

You also should set the amount of traffic you want to dedicate to the 
high priority channel. We typically use 130 Kbps, which will run most 
VoIP traffic.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/12/2018 12:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

It is equally simple.

Click Configuration -> QoS
Enable the Hi Priority Channel.  Done.

If you leave everything else alone, then you've just done the same 
thing as enabling VoIP Priority on ePMP.  You *can* do more stuff, 
but maybe you don't need to.


I can't remember, but you might have to do it on the AP and SM.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/12/2018 2:38:31 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.


I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

[AFMUG] 450i VOIP priority.

[Jerry Head]

I would like to prioritize VOIP on a 450i customer.
Don't really know how to do that.
On ePMP it is just 3 clicks, does not look that simple
on the 450.
Help please?

Re: [AFMUG] WTB. 900 single pol omni

[Jerry Head]

I think I have a vpole omni, not sure of the gain however.

On 1/12/2018 7:53 AM, Craig House wrote:
Does anyone here on the list have any vertical or horizontal 900 MHz 
Omni directional antennas  prefer Angel for Hpol and 9 dB on Vpol


Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Celebrate 2018 with New Spin

[Jerry Head]

Me likey the spinny-mast-thing!


On 1/5/2018 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Celebrate 2018 with New Spin Always something fun in the cooker.


  Let's take 2018 for a spin!

 




  Access a tall antenna from the ground!

Our new M-TOW-SPIN allows a short tower and a tall mast, but best of 
all the mast pivots on a tower top mount to allow you to access 
everything from the ground.


Fits 25G and 45G style towers.

 



This is a prototype, the above photos are courtesy of Craig House. 
This product was his idea and he is doing the beta testing. So don't 
expect our distributors to have stock, or to find it on our website 
yet.  But it will be very soon and we can take orders now if you want 
to give it a try. Cost will be similar to that of another section of 
tower... but a section of tower you can lower to the ground.


 



The best surge protectors just keep getting better...  Note, we are at 
Rev G on this rack mount version. That means there have been Rev 
A,B,C,D, E, D1, F, F2,F3 versions before this.  Each one better than 
the previous.


Our Return Loss (RL) and Near End Cross Talk (NEXT) has never been 
better.  RL is a big deal for GigE circuits as each pair has both 
transmit and receive.  You do not want your own TX signal bouncing 
back into the receiver on the same pair. (That problem does not exist 
on 100 Mbps Ethernet circuits.)  Come to *AnimalFarm at WispAmerica 
* 
to learn more.


Big Mamma Ice Sheld (M-TOW-ICE-MESH) Second round of destructive testing.
We are about to get this thing released.  Sorry about the delay 
Lewis.  Will take about 500 lbs easy before deforming.


*Check out the video of the first round of destructive testing from 
last summer. 
*




 






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Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Jerry Head]

Why would the AP not be in Cnmaestro?
Ever?

On 12/19/2017 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What a tragic oversight...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


i have to leave mine in the default folder, same with epmp in ptp
mode,

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh
lord...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays
under its AP

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Any one have any idea?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Jerry Head]

Thanks, I could have sworn I read on the back packaging of a set of 
Platinum Tools crimpers "made by KleinTools"

a few years ago...Must have dreamed it.

On 12/19/2017 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Here you go.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 19, 2017 10:50 AM, "Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


Hi Jaime,
Would it be possible to post a picture of the back of that package?
I have a theory I would like to confirm.

On 12/19/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Got these at Cable Source for 78.00

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Like this

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman"
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it
more accurate and faster.  It's a couple bucks more but
well worth it considering time is expensive.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St

<https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
Suite 1337

<https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
Troy, OH 45373

<https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
<fai...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

Have you seen Jaime's work ?

While using factory terminated patch cables, saves
times.. but it is not easy to have the meticulous,
neat and organized cable runs, cause each one has to
be sized accordingly.

:)

To each their own !

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>




*From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

other than experiencing some really questionable
gigabit connectivity issues and maddening issues
with packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45
ends valuabled in top end cross connects and
radio terminations, everything else should be
punched down to cat5/6 inserts and factory
terminated patch cables
why touch your cabling infrastructure?

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

the biggest cause of failure is not
maintaining the blades on ez crimpers. Fresh
blades and the ends have zero non ID10T
errors (if using the real connectors and not
knock offs)
moisture --- if you have a drop of water in
the connector, its not the connector thats
the issue
the brown is normally the first indicator, it
catches doesnt fully cleave, instinct is to
pull it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
the next thing is they start beveling --- now
moisture can be an issue, but more than
likely that scorch, its cause you took a
small surge that arced or you are directly
shorting (the copper likes to hide behind the
remaining insulation

maintain your blades, they chew through
blades fast

dont use cable thats too snug on the
insulation, 

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Jerry Head]

Hi Jaime,
Would it be possible to post a picture of the back of that package?
I have a theory I would like to confirm.

On 12/19/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Got these at Cable Source for 78.00

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


Like this

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman"
>
wrote:

We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it more
accurate and faster.  It's a couple bucks more but well worth
it considering time is expensive.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
>
wrote:

Have you seen Jaime's work ?

While using factory terminated patch cables, saves times..
but it is not easy to have the meticulous, neat and
organized cable runs, cause each one has to be sized
accordingly.

:)

To each their own !

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option
2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

other than experiencing some really questionable
gigabit connectivity issues and maddening issues with
packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45 ends
valuabled in top end cross connects and radio
terminations, everything else should be punched down
to cat5/6 inserts and factory terminated patch cables
why touch your cabling infrastructure?

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

the biggest cause of failure is not maintaining
the blades on ez crimpers. Fresh blades and the
ends have zero non ID10T errors (if using the real
connectors and not knock offs)
moisture --- if you have a drop of water in the
connector, its not the connector thats the issue
the brown is normally the first indicator, it
catches doesnt fully cleave, instinct is to pull
it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
the next thing is they start beveling --- now
moisture can be an issue, but more than likely
that scorch, its cause you took a small surge that
arced or you are directly shorting (the copper
likes to hide behind the remaining insulation

maintain your blades, they chew through blades fast

dont use cable thats too snug on the insulation,
it can roll the crimp, but the garbage cable is
probably going to be a problem anyway


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Not having issue with moisture...the cable
slide guides on some allow cables to be
pinched enough to fail even though pin out is
correct.   For now I am going to attribute to
my bad Hombre crimperI like Klein so I
will buy one this week.  Thanks for heads up

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 13, 2017 4:34 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
> wrote:

Jaime,

We have 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using this?

[Jerry Head]

Nah, more like this:...
Image result for alabama forestry pictures

On 12/8/2017 11:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Like this?

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 8, 2017 1:58 PM, "Bruce Robertson" > wrote:


I would guess that the best application would be out in the wild,
away from any meter grids.  That's where you're most likely to not
have cell signal.  Plus you can get by with very little bandwidth.

On 12/7/17 5:50 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

& people are having trouble getting a megabit with pointed
antennas in 900 against the meter grid?  Maybe it works best
when there isn't any cell service and there aren't any homes...

On 12/07/2017 05:09 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


https://www.beartooth.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxOSs0Zr51wIVA97ACh1AJwkkEAEYASAAEgLsXPD_BwE




Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] CPE with prism ac gear

[Jerry Head]

"OSHA"

On 12/2/2017 4:29 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Powerbeams AC with larger dish

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 2, 2017 3:23 PM, "Sam Lambie" > wrote:


What are you guys using for cpes up to 5 miles on a 120 sector?

Re: [AFMUG] Power a SLAVE PTP230 BH from a syncinjector

[Jerry Head]

We have done it.

On 12/1/2017 8:48 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:


I have an application where it would be more convenient to power a 
*_SLAVE _*PTP230 BH from a syncinjector than to use a separate power 
supply.� I don�t see where this would be a problem and I suppose I 
could turn sync off on the port using SiteMonitor if needed.� Can 
anyone validate this as an acceptable practice.


Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

[Jerry Head]

http://www.l-com.com/coaxial-rp-sma-plug-to-rp-sma-plug-right-angle-pigtail-19-100-series

On 11/30/2017 11:50 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:


They only have 1 right angled one and its SMA on one side and RPSMA on 
the other. I need reversed polarity on both sides.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Smart Antenna

Streakwave has right angle rpsma.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 30, 2017 12:09 PM, "Andy Trimmell" > wrote:


Anyone sell the replacement pigtails for this antenna? One side is 90 
degree and other side is straight. RP-SMA


Andy Trimmell

/Systems Engineer/

*PDS Connect*

317-831-3000 

Re: [AFMUG] OT A good day

[Jerry Head]

Heh, I have carried Class A since 1992.


On 11/22/2017 6:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

My youngest son and I both got our Class B CDLs today. Now we are legal!

Re: [AFMUG] receiving actual emails and digest

[Jerry Head]

http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af


On 10/5/2017 9:28 AM, Alex Pavlos wrote:

I would like to receive the actual emails from the afmug list.

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

[Jerry Head]

5,7,10 and 20 mhz are available on the PMP 450 900.

On 10/4/2017 12:17 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


I don’t think they are going to move on 2.4GHz.  We will be testing 
the Ubiquiti 2.4GHz radios shortly though.


In a PTP, the M900 isn’t bad.  I’ve got plans for 900MHz on the tower 
anyway, Cambium, so I’m thinking I’m going to set up a second Cambium 
450 900MHz AP as my backup.  I can’t remember though, will the 450 do 
a 20MHz channel in 900Mhz?


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there 
for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?


I wonder if the Quantenna chipset people who make the IC in the Mimosa 
C5C have considered making a native 2.4 and/or 3.65 GHz version. Not 
something with conversion circuitry involved.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m 
going to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE 
products that might be out there.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

[Jerry Head]

We have a Dyson DC-33 downstairs, works on hardwood or carpet, bagless 
but you must clean the filter periodically.

A very good product.

Oreck upstairs, very light, uses bags though.
Another good vacuum.

On 10/3/2017 1:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
I recently bought a refurb Dyson v6 on Amazon for $180. Best 
investment I ever made. It replaced my hardwood cleaner and my bulky 
Kirby for carpets. I can do my entire first floor in under 20 mins and 
still have plenty of battery left. It's an engineering marvel. I 
highly recommend Dyson.



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of
amazon reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here. 
Floors are 50% split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we
watch a dog, so pet hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a
brand/model work good for you.  Does it not?  Is bagless really
all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] anybody got spare ubnt 500ac feed horn?

[Jerry Head]

I have one Tim.

On 9/20/2017 8:41 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

I wish I can wait but I cant I have a backhaul went out last night.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Date: 09/20/17 12:20
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody got spare ubnt 500ac feed horn?

You might have to wait until December like the rest of us or at
least that is what I'm hearing.

Rory

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of* Tim Reichhart
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] anybody got spare ubnt 500ac feed horn?

Does anybody got a spare ubnt 500ac feed horn that they can ship
to me?

Tim

[AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

[Jerry Head]

https://goo.gl/JqRHCV

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Jerry Head]

I did contact them via chat on their Website.  The rep told me they were 
using 2.5 Ghz gear.

2.5 is licensed right?
I did a cursory search on the FCC website for 2.5 licensed in our area 
and found none.

Are they running "outlaw"?
Or do I need better detective skills?


On 9/12/2017 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
If the majority of their coverage area is serviced by millimeter 
wireless, I'm guessing they don't have a very large coverage area...


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


it was...

- Original Message -
*From:* Dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

It said it was sent from your Smartphone


On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Know of it...haven't read much of it

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net%3E>
To: <af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com%3E>
Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM


Silklu I believe

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com>
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>
To: <af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing
their Webpage and saw this...

"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter
Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.



-- 

[AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Jerry Head]

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their 
Webpage and saw this...


"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa

[Jerry Head]

I think Dave is just being trolled, him being such an unremittent 
Moto/Cambium apologist.


On 8/7/2017 2:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I certainly don’t mind if more join our party, as long as they behave 
themselves...

*From:* Joe Novak
*Sent:* Monday, August 07, 2017 1:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa
Apparently the entire world is considering how many hits the 
thread had this morning. Trina has been helping resolve this, from 
what I know.

Joe
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Dave  wrote:

Is anyone else getting emails from the ubnt_users List when they
never opted to be on the list??


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[AFMUG] FS-MIMOSA

[Jerry Head]

 For sale Mimosa A5-18 base station and 9 C5 subscriber units, 4 of 
which are NiB.


$1250.00

Thanks,
JH

Re: [AFMUG] new GigE-APC issues

[Jerry Head]

My UBNT Rocket AC lites will only come up at 100-meg going through the 
GigE-APC as well.

FWiW

On 7/29/2017 9:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It tests perfect on the lab  but as we all know

Full speed, no CRC or any other type of errors.  Long cables, short 
cables etc etc.


I generally only hear from cambium users.  And not that much, so it is 
not happening on all of them, but some.


I do have 3 components coming that  have better specs that I am 
switching to.

It will improve NEXT and return loss.
If that is the cause then that will be the fix.

There is also a thing in the POE inserters called the "Bob Smith" or 
BS termination.

There really was a guy named Bob Smith that did the original calculation.

There is another guy that has more recently published a different 
mathematical treatment of the BS termination that uses a different 
impedance.  I am going to try this and see if it improves things as well.


-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new GigE-APC issues

I had very few issues with the previous ones. The RJ45 tab facing at the
PCB was a minor inconvenience. Sync over power + gigabit didn't play
nice with those, but GigE otherwise worked fine.

I tested a couple prototypes of the new revision for Chuck. Sync over
power + gigabit with a PowerInjector+Sync and a 450 AP worked fine. Then
we replaced that AP with a 450i because of the 450's PPS limit. I didn't
notice it at the time, but the 450i never came up at gigabit. We didn't
really need >80Mbps downlink anyway. It would usually run about 55-60 at
night which was where the 450 was crapping out. Well, more like 50 and
9-10k PPS.

Now I've got some ePMP GPS radios for PTP (not for sync, just the GigE
interface). Same symptoms as the UBNT prism thingamajig. The link comes
up at gig, but flaps and constant FCS errors. The 450i just goes, gig,
gig, gig, nope.. 100mbps at bootup.

Pulling the SS out makes it work, but I can't do that. We lost that 450i
AP because someone went and bypassed the SS because they were apparently
concerned about the CRC errors and didn't f'ing tell me about it, even
after I said I'd debug it on Monday. Welp, a storm rolled in the Friday
before and.. there went the AP. Good job! In Steve Jones' words, I have
only one comment: fuckwits.

I'd say just stay tuned. Chuck is working on it. As he put it, GigE is a
different animal. NEXT, FEXT and all that fun stuff.

On 7/29/2017 4:20 PM, Matt wrote:

Seeing same issues on Gigabit ethernet ports with Cambium PxP450i and
also SAF licensed gear.  Shorter cable runs help but just not possible
on some towers.  Bypassing the GigE-APC always fixes it.


On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:40 PM, George Skorup
 wrote:
I think I've seen this mentioned a few times now. Maybe Steve and a 
couple

others?

The latest revision (D?) is causing CRC/FCS errors and random link 
drops.

Taking the SS out makes all problems go away.

Definitely more issues at gigabit. I have multiple sites with some 
UBNT and
ePMP stuff (no sync over power). Some I've turned off gigabit 
negotiation
and get only a few FCS errors here and there. Running gigabit sees 
lots more
errors and adds a 2-3 second link loss randomly which is a big issue 
on a

PTP link.

Got a couple sites with 450i APs. One that I was working with the 
other day
is a new radio (because the old one blew up). New cable, new 
GigE-APC, new
PacketFlux PowerInjector. The link tries to negotiate gigabit, but 
falls
back to 100 after a few tries. Turned off sync over power just to 
see and

still no gigabit. Remove the SS and it works fine.

Floating the shield makes no difference. Running the site on battery 
also
makes no difference. Some FM sites, some water towers, some 
elevators, some

regular towers with only our stuff on it.

The stuff I was working with yesterday is a new UBNT Prism PTP 
radio, new
GigE-APC, new CCR1009. This site also has an Exalt G2-11 fed by an 
older

GigE-POE-APC and I get no errors on that. It used to be plugged into a
MikroTik CRS210 and I didn't see any errors on that either.

I had far fewer issues with the older cards. Unfortunately I don't 
think I
have any good ones left to do a comparison. I do have a couple that 
got some
water in the jack, maybe I can clean those up for testing. I've used 
maybe
10 of the new ones now and they all seem to be causing issues. And 
before
you ask, yes, I've tried dumb gigabit switches at a few sites 
temporarily

and still see the random link loss with the SS in line.

[AFMUG] WISPA Slams CTIA, T-Mo Proposals to Convert CBRS to 5G-Only Band

[Jerry Head]

https://goo.gl/aU88QE

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

[Jerry Head]

When I was eleven I was home alone and was temporarily held hostage in a 
home invasion.
I was caught in mid-indecision about whether to threaten them with an 
unloaded .22 rifle or to try to sneak up upon them and brain them with a 
baseball bat.
Never got to choose, probably luckily. I guess I am not smart enough to 
be scared.



On 7/20/2017 6:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
When really angry or really scared, unless you have had some training 
on dealing with the situation, you lose some of your sanity.  I was a 
hostage in a bank robbery once.  I was so scared I remember thinking I 
would crawl over my own kids to get away if I could.


There was still a small part of my brain sane enough to form that 
observation.  That is  the most scared I have ever been.  I also 
remember thinking "you have never truly been scared before, you might 
have though you were scared but nothing compares with this".


-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation 
Mitigation.


It's about what happens in the instant.   The red vision only lasted
less than a minute and by the time I got to the screen door it had
faded.   BUT if I had the means to kill them in 2 seconds, it would have
happened.   That's the difference between a gun and a knife. Specially
if I was then as proficient with a gun as I am now.   I am also a lot
older, a lot more experienced and have seen death up close and personal.
  Probably wouldn't have the same thing happen in the same scenario,
but YOU JUST DON"T KNOW

On 07/20/2017 02:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:

OK, but what does a gun/guns have to do with that scenario? Could you
have grabbed a knife or a baseball bat and went to town on one or both
of them? Or how about bare hands? Absolutely yes. Murder is murder. Guns
are not the problem.

On 7/20/2017 1:38 PM, Robert wrote:

I came home early from a sailboat race when I was 36.   We finished
early and I came home a day early and found my wife in my back yard
with another dude.   That moment when I saw them my vision shrunk down
to a small red circle.   Seriously I am not kidding, vision all red
with a 3 foot circle that I could see them in.   I put my fist through
two coverings of sheet rock ( luckily missed the stud ) and let go a
truly primal scream that had them running from the backyard. I was
very lucky I wasn't carrying or I would have tested the laws of CA and
probably would be still in jail to this day.   Temporary insanity is
real.  I consider myself a darn rational, thinking man.   But be
careful out there because there is an animal lurking in all of us.
Don't test the legal system unless you have very deep pockets, in
which case you will walk the streets without a problem. Judges are
fickle and the legal system is more so.

On 07/20/2017 11:24 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Judged by 12 or carried by 6? I don't like either scenario at all, but
I'll shoot a mf'r if there's no other option.

On 7/20/2017 12:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Gun control is pretty political...

Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to 
have.


*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.

LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with
making the video).

And so you are in agreement that :-
"If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to 
defend

themselves"

Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / 
Confrontation

Mitigation.

Call cops.
Duck for cover.
Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.

*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / 
Confrontation

Mitigation.

Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance...

We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP 
for

them, under such circumstances ?
What type of training do we need to provide to assure everyone's
safety ?
What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ?


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




*From: *"Paul McCall" 

Re: [AFMUG] This seems suspiciously cheap

[Jerry Head]

The white boxes are very sturdy but they are steel.
Not sure about the aluminum boxes.

On 7/21/2017 8:44 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

are they real flimsy?

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


We use these quite a bit except we get the white ones.
They work great.


On 7/19/2017 3:12 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

With free shipping...

Anybody want to take a gamble on one of these for a micro pop
enclosure?


https://bestchoiceproducts.com/products/best-choice-products-36-aluminum-truck-under-body-tool-box-trailer-rv-tool-storage-box-under-bed?utm_medium=cpc_source=googlepla=21281679235=Cj0KCQjwhrzLBRC3ARIsAPmhsnUIaPcmkJ5U-N2dCP0XNn0bUlGsK5HO0RwdIy9zzZaSXXpGh4jh5gsaAsu5EALw_wcB

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Re: [AFMUG] This seems suspiciously cheap

[Jerry Head]

We use these quite a bit except we get the white ones.
They work great.

On 7/19/2017 3:12 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

With free shipping...

Anybody want to take a gamble on one of these for a micro pop enclosure?

https://bestchoiceproducts.com/products/best-choice-products-36-aluminum-truck-under-body-tool-box-trailer-rv-tool-storage-box-under-bed?utm_medium=cpc_source=googlepla=21281679235=Cj0KCQjwhrzLBRC3ARIsAPmhsnUIaPcmkJ5U-N2dCP0XNn0bUlGsK5HO0RwdIy9zzZaSXXpGh4jh5gsaAsu5EALw_wcB

Re: [AFMUG] AM Tower vs Cell site

[Jerry Head]

Within 100 feet will probably be inside the radials.
So a no go I would think.


On 7/17/2017 4:10 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The cell tower can become a radiator or director of the AM 
transmitter/antenna system and distort their pattern. It needs 
engineering and will typically get detuning elements. 100 feet may not 
even work or perhaps it won't matter, I don't know.


On 7/17/2017 3:53 PM, Dave wrote:
I am looking for someone who can answer a question about putting a 
cell tower with 2 carriers within 100' of an AM tower?


Would there be issues with a cell carrier being to close to an AM site?


--

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Jerry Head]

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Jerry Head]

So sorry to hear that, best wishes from The Deep South.


On 6/15/2017 9:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this 
morning cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good 
analogy today


On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> wrote:


Are you saying what I think you're saying here?

If so,  that really sucks.

On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones" > wrote:

kernel panic

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

apparently, God had other plans

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson
> wrote:

If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then
yes on the tax evasion.


On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Don't you wonder?   Is it?

On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

And he lives with continual exposure of prison
due to tax evasion.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

Screwed by whose definition? If he put all
that money that he would
have paid as taxes under his
bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...  Way..
WAY better off...

On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

I believe that he is.

On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:

That's right.  I remember that now
because we had to go to a little
extra effort to ensure my wife had 20
quarters, but then we learned
she gets half my benefit if it is
larger.  So it really was not an
emergency after all.

But for the undocumented guy in the
woods, if he doesn't have 20
quarters of contributions I wonder if
he is screwed?

-Original Message- From: Bruce
Robertson
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
maintenance

No, you don't.  You have to contribute
for at least 20 (if I remember)
quarters to get benefits. And many
public employees, such as my wife
(University professor) don't pay into
social security at all - they have
an alternative plan that has the same
contribution requirements, but the
money goes into your own mutual funds.

On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:

When it comes time to collect
social security, they take your
highest
35 years of pay to do the
calculation.  If you never put
anything in,
I wonder if you get any out?

-Original Message- From:
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
maintenance

I've heard tell of a local man
working in the construction trades who
was born at home and has no
documentation. Apparently he likes
   

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Gigabit SyncInjector jumpers

[Jerry Head]

http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=16

On 6/14/2017 9:27 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:


We just received a shipment of PacketFlux Gigabit SyncInjectors.  Does 
anyone know where I can find documentation for the  jumper settings? 
There�s a sticker on the unit that indicated documentation can be 
found on their website but I don�t see it.


Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Jerry Head]

Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.

On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen Cat 6 
cable but they were a major pain to use.  The wires had to be forced 
in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is to buy 
Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does anyone 
know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we use what 
we already have?


https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===0

Jay Weekley wrote:
Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM 
stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate 
interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a 
decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.


David Coudron wrote:
We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are 
using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the 
cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are on top 
of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much hassle 
for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we 
ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old crimpers. We 
couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We will be 
terminating those cables the next few days.


We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it works 
fine now.  We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports dropping 
and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However fixing the 
RF link interference issues and some firmware upgrades have really 
stabilized those Ethernet ports now.  We haven't had an Ethernet 
port go down in 10 months since we did that work. (I am currently 
knocking on wood. )


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*From:* Af  on behalf of Christopher Gray 


*Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:20:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation
I bought some Shireen Cat6 to try. The OD of the insulation on the 
Shireen Cat6 (and other Cat6 cables I've found so far) make it 
unusable with the EZ-RJ45 plugs. So, I ended up purchasing new 
plugs, and should have purchased a new crimper.


I later asked here about using Cat6 with Mimosa and got a fairly 
resounding "Cat5e is enough" at the time. In the end, it seemed like 
a giant pain for any spot other than having great interference.




On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


We recently received a recommendation from Mimosa to replace our
shielded Cat 5 with Cat6.  We've been using Shireen lately and
they have a Cat 6 product. What would you use?  Has anyone had
problems with using Cat 5 with Mimosa?



 
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Re: [AFMUG] Baicells

[Jerry Head]

I think that MAC/serial# conversion thing is only for getting the UEs to 
talk in bridge mode.



On 6/9/2017 2:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Email support...@baicells.com. IIRC, there's a MAC or s/n conversion 
thing you have to do. They'll get you the details.


On 6/9/2017 2:05 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:
The Baicells operator group on Facebook seems to be the fastest place 
to get a response


On 6/9/2017 1:54 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'm trying to get my first eNB to register with the OMC.  The MAC 
address, IP address, cell ID, and PCI all populate after I added the 
serial number of the unit into the OMC interface - the ipsec session 
is up as well. However, the active status and MME show as 
disconnected.  Do these require a public IP address on the radio 
itself?


I posted something in the Baicells forum, but have not gotten any 
responses.





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Re: [AFMUG] Baicells

[Jerry Head]

They do not require a public IP.

On 6/9/2017 1:54 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'm trying to get my first eNB to register with the OMC.  The MAC 
address, IP address, cell ID, and PCI all populate after I added the 
serial number of the unit into the OMC interface - the ipsec session 
is up as well.  However, the active status and MME show as 
disconnected.  Do these require a public IP address on the radio itself?


I posted something in the Baicells forum, but have not gotten any 
responses.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jerry Head]

I didn't think asthma sold all that well.


On 5/29/2017 10:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


That's because there hasn't been any news lately of 2nd amendment 
restrictions. I know an asthma dealer that bought 1000 AK47's in the 
Ukraine. He had to hold them for a couple years but eventually tripled 
his money when the anti gun lobby started spouting off. I find the 
corollary between gun restrictions and gun sales hysterical. If the 
buyers paid attention to price tends they would too.



On Mon, May 29, 2017, 3:11 AM Josh Reynolds > wrote:


All AR parts are getting SOOO cheap. Unfinished lowers going for
$35. Uppers for not much more. Barrels and stocks are still pricy
depending on what you want. Internals kits are largely universal.

I think it was the M I saw for around $350 the other day. Same
range for a 16" DPMS Oracle.

S M also going for $235ish after $75 MIR but comes with *4*
magazines!

Deals have been crazy lately.

- Josh

On May 28, 2017 4:29 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

We're talking 7.62x51 NATO. I have an ArmaLite AR-10 w/ an
ACOG on top and a 2-stage trigger that I built about 10 years
ago. It's not cheap to shoot, but it sure is fun. :) If I was
going to buy another 7.62 gun today, it'd be an LMT 308 MWS.

On 5/28/2017 12:54 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:


Cool, I didn't know that was a thing. I just have a Russian
AK-47.

On Sunday, May 28, 2017, Josh Reynolds > wrote:



That would be an AR-10 :)

I've been considering building one.

- Josh

On May 28, 2017 9:32 AM, "David Milholen"
 wrote:

I have an AR15-7.62 with red dot and a whole bunch of
knives.. Oh and a cool tent.

Ill just post up outside and setup the guard post :)



On 5/26/2017 4:45 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor
with both a thermal scope and a red dot. Can I get in?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley
 wrote:



And the PBRs.

Jay Weekley wrote:
> I'll bring the RPGs.
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>> LMAO!
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright
> > wrote:
>>
>> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll
be coming from California
>> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a
vast sense of entitlement.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] On Behalf
Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>
>> That was my first thought...  Prepper
garage...
>>
>> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com

>> wrote:
>> > Well, it is Utah...
>> >
>> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> >
>> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,
> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Slightly more than B deck but no
posts or pillars
>> underneath.  It
>> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured
over it.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From:
Sterling Jacobson
>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> > To: 

Re: [AFMUG] 14 awg cable source

[Jerry Head]

Mine came with a connector on the cable and a connector came with the 
eNB so, two connectors!


On 5/14/2017 6:06 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, I thought it would, but ours didn't. I also thought the 
connector would come with the cable and not thw eNB, based on stuff I 
had heard earlier, so I think maybe that's how they were originally 
doing things and they just switched to including the connector with 
the eNB instead at some point.


On May 14, 2017 2:51 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:


The eNB does come with the connector, but the description on
Baltic's website sure makes it sound like the cable comes with one
as well:


http://www.balticnetworks.com/baicells-outdoor-shielded-dc-14awg-power-cable-200ft.html



On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

The cable from Baicells doesn't come with a connector on it...
It's just a spool of cable. It is a special connector, but
that connector comes with the eNB, and is quite simple to put on.

On May 14, 2017 1:12 PM, "Adam Moffett" > wrote:

You have tons of options to get a pair of 14ga conductors
to the radio. Does the Baicells eNB require any kind of
special connector at the radio?

From the Superior Essex energy Catalog:

http://ce.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Docs/PDF/Catalogs/Energy/Energy-catalog.pdf



E2BEA-141B02CB00
E2BDA-141B02CA00
E2BDB-141B02CA00 (shielded)

Composite cables from Shireen:

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/dfp-1246-data-fiber-power-composite-cable-500ft-spool



RF Elements:

http://resources.tessco.com/attachments/535797_Outdoor%20DC%20Power%20Cables.pdf



I think someone already pointed out you can get SJOOW
cable by the foot from Home Depot.  For cable in the
electrical aisle, any designation starting with "S" and
ending with "W" should do the job.

https://solutions.borderstates.com/soow-seoow-and-stoow-what-is-the-difference/






-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" >
To: "af@afmug.com " >
Sent: 5/14/2017 3:40:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 14 awg cable source


I think because they can ask that much for it, and it
sounds like it has a connector for the eNB on one end.

On Saturday, May 13, 2017, Jay Weekley
> wrote:

I was referring to the 14 awg 2 wire cable that Jason
says Baicells is pushing and is over priced.

George Skorup wrote:

Uh... cost? They make it pretty freakin easy to
get started, too. Literally all you need is an
eNB + antenna and some UEs w/ SIM cards. The eNB
talks to the Baicells CloudCore on the interwebs.

On 5/13/2017 9:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What makes the the Baicells stuff better than
other products?

Jason McKemie wrote:

Does anyone have a good source for 14 awg
2 wire cable?  The stuff that Baicells is
trying to push is really over priced.


>
   Virus-free. www.avg.com


>

Re: [AFMUG] Consumer Blogs on "Net Neutrality"

[Jerry Head]

So all this is moot now right?

On 3/19/2015 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have read the whole thing FCC rule.  We all get ROW access, we can 
only do traffic shaping if we are doing it for technical reasons and 
not discriminating (we can discriminate, but it has to be all 
streaming or all browsing or all of one certain type  of traffic).  
And we must, must, must encrypt all customer info.  Not just keep it 
on an internal network, but any spreadsheet you have with customer 
identifying information must be encrypted.  I am not seeing a big 
impact for WISPS.  And you are all exempt until December 15th too if 
you have less than 100,000 subscribers.

*From:* Jason McKemie 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Consumer Blogs on "Net Neutrality"
Engadget just posted this commentary:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/19/verizon-net-neutrality/
Not one sided at all, eh?

Re: [AFMUG] Most common towers

[Jerry Head]

We still do lotsa 25G

On 5/2/2017 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
25G is most common ...properly installed they are solid as long you 
don't try exceeding windload by putting large dishes on it


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


25G is too weak to be taken seriously.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:13:20 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Most common towers

We dont do ANY 25G anymore. Mostly 45G/55G’s.


On May 2, 2017, at 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:

Building a new tower mount. Wondering what are the most
popular towers.  25G is my guess for #1.
Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

[Jerry Head]

Having seen two family member die of it...that "something" was probably 
the pancreatic cancer.

:-)


On 4/29/2017 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
No, speaking about philosophy that probably cannot be confirmed with 
our current knowledge.
Cosmologists have a proof with respect to locality that does open the 
door to a God.
Kinda like the double slit vs the pilot wave, the more you know the 
more you discover that you don’t know.

Margarine vs butter...
Just as I cannot prove the positive, yet, nobody can prove that God 
does not exist or that what makes us who we are does not survive 
death.  You cannot prove a negative in complex cases.

Something caused  Steve Jobs’ last words to be: “Oh Wow, Oh Wow, Oh Wow”.
*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD
I just think it is funny that you are speaking about religion as if it 
can be confirmed with the scientific method.

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I told him that a shrewd person hedges their bets.  I sure do not
want to step into a possible new existence with a God pissed off
at me.  Costs nothing and the potential upside is huge.  Better
than buying a lottery ticket.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:36 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD
shoot him this one"I know there ain't no heaven. but I PRAY
there is no HELL."
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

This professor and I have been going for 24 hours now.  He
quickly dropped to taunts like “have your dead son do
something” or pray to god to cure all amputees. Odd crap like
that.
He guy is 62 year old and throws in a “you lose” and “reality
check” with every posting.  I am trying to asking for
definitions of things he says like reality, truth, integrity
etc.  He does not want to do anything but say how dishonest I
am and  how repugnant, dishonest, and disgusting all religions
are and to make unkind comments about my “dead son”.
It  is kinda fun playing defense on an increasingly vitriolic
thread.  I really got him wound up.  Must be sad in his reality.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Saturday, April 29, 2017 6:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD
I have always had this notion that what we understand as our
universe a quark of someone else universe…
From: Af  on behalf of
"p...@believewireless.net" 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 7:01 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD
I had an astronomy professor in college and we got to the part
where we talked about the
theories on how the universe was created. Obviously the one
that has the most "compelling
concrete evidence" is the big bang theory. So we are told that
the universe started with
hydrogen and helium. then something happened. (we
still have no clue what happened
in that first billionth of a second) and then everything was
created.
The bible tells us in the beginning there was God and
darkness then something
happened and then there was light.
So my professor pointed out that both science and religion
both start with a premise that
something existed out of nothing and that then something else
happened and here we are.
So they could both be right and they could both be wrong.
Science doesn't tell us where
the helium and hydrogen came from and religion doesn't tell us
where God came from.
Sort of link someone saying, "How do you become a
millionaire?" And you respond,
"Well, first get 1 million dollars."

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

No, debate and the scientific method is OK.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 12:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD
So we've cut out politics, but religion is ok?

- Josh
On Apr 28, 2017 1:42 PM,  wrote:

This guy wrote an op ed piece in the Salt Lake Tribune
today criticizing a
doctor for claiming that divine intervention saved his
wife's life, and 

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Jerry Head]

Absolutely in 8 of those jobsif I were working hard already.


On 4/24/2017 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Can you imagine telling your employer to fuck off (when asked to 
hustle) in the following jobs?

Soldier
Life Guard
Fireman
EMT
Cop
Airline baggage loader, unloader
Airline fuel line operator
Personal Trainer
Flat Rate Roofer
Athlete
ER Nurse
Fast Food worker during lunch
Package sorter/truck loader UPS (I had this job once)
Ranch hand staking hay.
Subway sandwich maker during lunch.
Meat cutter.
I could be here all day listing jobs that require you to jog/hustle/run.
I do not think it is in any way unreasonable to ask an installer to 
have some spring in their step.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast.  Do 
things perfectly in the least amount of time possible.  That means 
hustle.  Why would you chose to slowly drag your ass between the truck 
and the house?  There is absolutely no justification for not jogging 
back and forth.  Not saying to sprint or full on run.  Just jog, show 
some hustle.  Economy of movements.  That includes tool and supply 
organization.
At the end of the day it is now many perfect installs you do a day.  
If you get more than the other guy and you drag your ass, I would not 
can you, probably give you a raise.
But if you were dragging your ass, leaving the shop late, BSing 
instead of working I would tell you to ‘hustle” one time...

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:24 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
To tell the truth, I'd be telling you to fuck off as well.
Having an employee run is a liability for several reasons. Rushing 
leads to forgotten things and shoddy work, and tying installs to pay 
with cause you to end up with the install quality that DirecTV 
subcontractors do, as they get paid per room/job as well. It's 
absolutely shit work that looks bad and often has problems you will 
have to roll a truck for.
Slow and smooth, measured work, thought out in advance with no wasted 
efficiency. THAT will be fast and quality work.

"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast."
In the end, it's your business. I'm just some guy.

- Josh
On Apr 24, 2017 8:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Well then you would not be working for me.  Or UPS or FedEX or Les
Schwab or Tunex or ..
Treating someone like crap is a far different thing than treating
them like an adult.  You own their work output when they are on
the clock and they need to work efficiently.
It is not unreasonable at all to expect some hustle.  I don’t pay
anyone to take their time.
*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to
start looking for a new boss I know if I was walking to the house
and you told me to run I would quit on the spot if that's what you
want then go for it


On Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 9:43 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

You cannot expect a younger person to run for any reason until
they decide that it might benefit them, and even them real
hustle will be rare.
I would put them on piece rate or daily rate and tell them
they have to do at least 3 per day to keep their job.  Once
they are doing 3, then up it to 4 or keep them on piece rate.
Have you actually said “RUN!” when they were walking from
truck to house?  Have them watch the first half of full metal
jacket and give them a bit of drill sergeant treatment.
I believe in “management by telling” you actually have to tell
them, in simple and clear terms exactly what you want.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz
*Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I
did anyway sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you
guys go about trying to teach / train a new installer to work
faster?

We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with
other duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and
has a good understanding of networking, computers and even RF.
The problem is that he is very slow on installs and the
primary job he was hired to do.

I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to
figure out where the speed issues were coming from. So I took
him on site surveys ahead of time with me and we laid out the
entire installs during the survey. Install here, wire down
here, across here in through wall here and terminate. 

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

[Jerry Head]

reddit much?

On 4/27/2017 11:28 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/27/17 07:29, Jay Weekley wrote:

Bleeding money you can't afford to lose and trying to make every dollar
count.



Even if I were at the "UBNT WISP starter kit" stage I'd at least do a 
decent mount lest the thing flip over in the wind and break stuff that 
will cost more to fix. Fixing broken equipment isn't making even 
dollar count.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jerry Head]

True.


On 4/28/2017 2:43 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, but the thing I didn't realize before I ordered, was that 
there's actually no reason you need to use the Baicells power cable - 
the eNB does come with the power connector, which can easily be put on 
cable of the appropriate type.


You do need an antenna though... I used a KPP sector.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.


On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna
for the AP itself.

The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3
routing, l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp,
and comprehensive management are still very much works in
progress. The cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down
randomly. They are bringing up more instances in Microsoft's
azure cloud and altering some of the ways the tunnel works they
said recently.


*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net <mailto:t...@amplex.net>
Office: 419-837-5015 <tel:%28419%29%20837-5015>
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

[Jerry Head]

You also need a power cable as the base station is not POE.

On 4/28/2017 2:30 PM, Tim Alexander wrote:

Hi Jason,

Just to be clear, you probably know this, you do need an antenna for 
the AP itself.


The firmware is very much in beta. Rate limiting, proper l3 routing, 
l2 bridging (or what passes for it in LTE world), snmp, and 
comprehensive management are still very much works in progress. The 
cloud EPC also tends to have issues and goes down randomly. They are 
bringing up more instances in Microsoft's azure cloud and altering 
some of the ways the tunnel works they said recently.



*/Timothy Alexander/*
*Amplex Internet*
E-mail: t...@amplex.net
Office: 419-837-5015
Mailing Address:
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
On 4/28/2017 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Jerry Head]

You clearly are non-union.

On 4/24/2017 8:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Well then you would not be working for me.  Or UPS or FedEX or Les 
Schwab or Tunex or ..
Treating someone like crap is a far different thing than treating them 
like an adult.  You own their work output when they are on the clock 
and they need to work efficiently.
It is not unreasonable at all to expect some hustle.  I don’t pay 
anyone to take their time.

*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to start 
looking for a new boss I know if I was walking to the house and you 
told me to run I would quit on the spot if that's what you want then 
go for it



On Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 9:43 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

You cannot expect a younger person to run for any reason until
they decide that it might benefit them, and even them real hustle
will be rare.
I would put them on piece rate or daily rate and tell them they
have to do at least 3 per day to keep their job.  Once they are
doing 3, then up it to 4 or keep them on piece rate.
Have you actually said “RUN!” when they were walking from truck to
house?  Have them watch the first half of full metal jacket and
give them a bit of drill sergeant treatment.
I believe in “management by telling”  you actually have to tell
them, in simple and clear terms exactly what you want.
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz
*Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did
anyway sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go
about trying to teach / train a new installer to work faster?

We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with
other duties as assigned. He is good at the other duties and has a
good understanding of networking, computers and even RF. The
problem is that he is very slow on installs and the primary job he
was hired to do.

I spent quite a bit of time with him last week trying to figure
out where the speed issues were coming from. So I took him on site
surveys ahead of time with me and we laid out the entire installs
during the survey. Install here, wire down here, across here in
through wall here and terminate. You could see the tower from
these sites so hanging and tuning the radio was a breeze.

I sent him out on two installs the day after that. First one I
considered a hard install. The second one easy.  They took him
over  10 hours not counting drive time.

I spent the next morning doing site checks on them with the
customers permission. Both customers were happy with him and his
install and not a single thing on the install was done incorrectly
I took another installer with me and asked him to run the time
frame in his head. He came up to 3 hours for each install. So had
I but we are both experienced.

So I talked really briefly with the new guy about getting faster
and then took him to an install I had surveyed myself. Ran him
through the entire install. Radio here, wire down here….. in and
terminate. Install router. I left the more experienced guy with
him to answer questions but told him to not physically help and
explained to the new guy that if he had questions to ask because
the other guy is there to help him figure out a faster process
and  would be talking with me after the install about ways to
speed up the process so we can help him. I should mention the
experienced guy is a supervisor so no hard feelings should be had
here. I left him at 9:00

I was thinking that maybe I was being unrealistic in my time
frames on installs since normally I have a helper on my installs
and we knock out three to four a day. I felt like I got my
installs done in 3 hours max when I was alone but never really
timed them. So when I left the new guy I drove a half hour to what
I considered a hard install and did it alone. Was done at 12:30
and driving back to check on the new guy.  When I got there he was
just about done with the install but the truck was spread around
the driveway ( not throwing stones I have been known to do this).
So he was going past hour 4 at this point with paperwork and
packing the truck he was going to be at 5 for sure.  I stepped in
did the paperwork and quietly asked the other guy to pack up the
truck some.  This was done for selfish reasons ( its Friday and I
have a family) and also because we had a  between 1 and 3 to hit
for the final install of the day.

Grabbed subway. Scoffed it down. I bought and we headed to the
last job.

I had the supervisor guy in my truck and we have worked 

Re: [AFMUG] Preseem

[Jerry Head]

I talked with Gerritt from there yesterday.
It is an interesting sounding product and pricing is not too terrible.

On 4/19/2017 11:37 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Has anyone used this?  I've been getting emails from them.

www.preseem.com 

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage.com

[Jerry Head]

We could use the 900 file please.

On 3/28/2017 2:02 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Before we reinvent the wheel.  Does anyone have TowerCoverage .ant 
antenna pattern files (ready to upload) for the following you are 
willing to share.


epmp 2000 5GHz sector Model #C050900D021A (with and without beam-forming)

450M 5 GHz integrated, beam-forming

450i 5 GHz integrated sector Model #C050045A006B

Also, nice to haves

MTI: MT-485005/VHN

e-PmP Force-110 Integrated Model #C058900P072A

e-PmP Force-180 Integrated Model #C058900P062A

BTW: We have the Cambium 900 MHz sector file if anyone needs it.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[Jerry Head]

Thanks Josh and Sean.

On 3/28/2017 10:50 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Yes it works


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:40 AM Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


Will it work?

[AFMUG] GigE-SS-HV plus 450i 900

[Jerry Head]

Will it work?

Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters

[Jerry Head]

So, at the risk of sounding none-too-bright (which might be accurate in 
my case), is placing a SS on both ends of the Ethernet cable be the 
recommended course here? I.E. Switch---SS---Ethernet up the 
tower---SS--radio?

Both SS grounded to earth ground via #2 copper going up the tower?

On 3/20/2017 7:50 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Netonix. Toughswitch. Tycon. Anything that isn't AF and is passive PoE blows.

That would be an in-correct statement or an in-correct assumption at best.

Most passive switches have some-sort of over load protection built into them. 
The question of how fast they react would be a valid one.


Matt you have to keep in mind that most equipment damage is not due to the 
'short' but due to the current flowing in the wrong direction..




Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "Matt Hoppes" 
Cc: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:58:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question on APC Arresters
You never know which direction the surge is coming from, many times, perhaps
most times,  it comes from the power lines and originates in the NOC gear.
And with a piece of CAT 5 going in and out of a surge protector, you never
know what the surge protector is connected to.  A surge protector is
essentially a piece of CAT 5 or a CAT 5 coupler with a few extra components.
There really is no direction to them or a "tower side" to them.

I could  fuse all 8 wires.  And have double surge suppressors.  Or just put
surge on one side and label it "tower".

How do you detect the direction of a nanosecond rise time pulse?  You would
have to have an RF reflectometer on each of the 8 wires tied to some fast
logic.   You would want sub microsecond switches that open the CAT5 and
logic to figure out where the pulse comes from and send it where?  If it is
a powered wire on the POE where do you want that connected to during the
pulse?

All surge suppressors I have ever seen do things essentially the same way I
do things.

In any event, I will post this to the group.  Perhaps there is a learning
opportunity for me here.  Like to see if others have seen their POE blow
when shorted.  I personally have not seen this before.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:46 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: Question on APC Arresters

I'm not sure what the better option is. Not clamp on the power side, isolate
and clamp on the tower side only?

So a surge comes in, break the connection between ground and tower and only
shunt tower side to ground.

Honestly we were extremely surprised to find these did anything on the near
side of the unit. That came as a shock.

Netonix. Toughswitch. Tycon. Anything that isn't AF and is passive PoE
blows.


On Mar 20, 2017, at 19:29, Chuck McCown  wrote:

So, what would you have a suppressor do?  Not clamp to ground?
I  have not run into POE switches that will blow if shorted.  They are
energy limited.
What kind of switch?

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:28 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: Question on APC Arresters

So the problem we are running into is the suppressor fires and clamps
which shorts the power supply on the switch, which kills the switch
port.  Now I'm out both a switch port and a suppressor I'm not sure
what I've gained.

River Valley Internet
"We Never Forget You Have a Choice"
570-433-7070 x 700


On 3/20/17 6:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yes, they are clamping the wire.  So think of most of our devices as 8
individual surge suppressors.  They will short the impulses to ground.
If (as is common) the impulses come in on all 8 wires at the same time,
all 8 wires are connected to ground and as a result they are also
connected to each other.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:06 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Question on APC Arresters

Hey Chuck...  was discussing your Ethernet arresters last night.

Is it normal operating mode for them, when they take a strike, to go
into a "short circuit" situation on both sides of the Ethernet port?

Re: [AFMUG] Windows 10 update speed

[Jerry Head]

I have seen an office with 3 Windows 10 machines eat up 70mb/s for 45 
minutes.

Greedy little bit eaters they are.

On 3/16/2017 9:20 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
So it seems like when a customer wants to update a windows 10 machine, 
it will gladly and readily take all available bandwidth (and more).  
I'm updating 2 brand new windows 10 machines in the NOC, plugged into 
gigabit Ethernet, and they're downloading the windows updates at 
<2mb/s.  I would have expected them to just fly.

Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius

[Jerry Head]

There is this...http://www.waveworksinc.com/
Looks like an interesting company but not the same people, obviously.


On 3/14/2017 3:35 PM, Jeremy wrote:

"
*/WaveWorks /*- News Alert - The next Generation of supplier after 
DoubleRadius


*/WaveWorks/* employees originally worked for DoubleRadius. Due to 
the situation of DoubleRadius's sales plunge and their contract with 
Ubiquiti being compromised, they may be going out of business. For 
that reason we are moving all WISP customers over to WaveWorks to 
continue supporting their requirements. Please contact us for more 
details: Click here for More Information 





On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jeremy > wrote:


Yes, I did.  It didn't come to this email address though, it
seemed to be derived from the WISPA list.  I emailed them about it
and they said it is absolutely false.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

No, it is real.  DR knows about it. Just trying to figure out
how the email address list was derived.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
I haven't seen it. Are you sure it's not some kind of malware
attack or phishing scam?
On Mar 14, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Did anyone receive an odd email about Double Radius going
out of business?  It certainly is not true.  I think it
said something about them losing UBNT as a product line. 
I think I tossed it.  There are others that would like  to

see it if anyone has a copy.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Greased my boots

[Jerry Head]

That stuff looks pretty effective.
I use Mink Oil on my boots it seems to do the trick.



On 3/11/2017 10:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I finally got a new can of Huberd’s shoe grease.  Greased up my 40 
year old lineman’s boots this morning.  They look like new.  Made by 
Wesco boots of Scappose Oregon.  Steel arches, steel toes.  Best boots 
ever.

They even make women’s boots now:
https://www.wescoboots.com/builder/WomensCustomBoots.aspx

Re: [AFMUG] pmp 450 900mhz antenna options.

[Jerry Head]

What the heck...Ima try it

On 3/12/2017 10:43 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, mixing H/V and slant works fine as long as one polarity isn't 
screwed up... even then, it's not really a problem with mixing 
antennas, it's just that slant works better.


The Cambium OEM is 65/90 - the spec sheet just says 65 degree, but if 
you look at the pattern you can see it's at about -6 db at 90... at 
120, it looks to be -9 db or so.


On Mar 11, 2017 4:53 PM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


We have slant SMs talking to H/V APs. They automagically figure it
out. Works fine. However, we're finding uplinks are kinda meh.
That's mostly due to V pol being nosier than H pol. That's where
slant at the AP helps to equalize the SNRs to allow a better
chance at running MIMO-B. But this is also 900, where reflections
and multipath can be horrendous. I'll say the 450i is by far the
best option if you have to use 900.

Also, I believe the Cambium OEM sector is a -3dB 90 / -6dB 120.
Unless I'm remembering wrong.

On 3/11/2017 2:59 PM, Jerry Head wrote:

I get the slant vs. h/v thing.
Interestingly enough my guys report that using the KP yagis with
the KP dual slant sector they can rotate the
yagis on the vertical axis to "fine tune" the signal...I.E.
sometimes 30d slant.
Maybe vertical is the wrong word here...

On 3/11/2017 10:32 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Well, it'll work better than the Rockets...

The obvious differences between the UBNT and Cambium sectors are
H/V polarity vs dual slant, and 120 degree vs 90 (at -6db, the
Cambium's are sold as 65 degree, but I believe they are 90 at
-6db). Not being slant shouldn't be a problem in most cases, and
the gain is about the same. My biggest concern would be the F/B
ratio, which doesn't seem to be listed on the spec sheet for the
UBNT antennas, but if you don't need to do frequency re-use,
that might not be too big of a deal.

We have one UBNT 900mhz sector, which we replaced with a Cambium
PMP450i (we actually added the PMP450i, the UBNT sector is still
in place, but currently powered off), and the signal levels
stayed pretty similar on the customers that we switched over for
the most part (most of the customers had Rockets with yagis). We
plan to add a second Canopy AP at some point, re-using the UBNT
sector, and re-aim both sectors to get more coverage, but
hopefully we'll be able to switch everything over to the UBNT
sector for a bit (with the 450i AP on it) while they're still
both aimed the same and get a little better comparison.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Jerry Head
<li...@blountbroadband.com <mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>>
wrote:

We have some sites with UBNT 900 sectors.
I wonder how the PMP 450i 900 would work in place of the Rockets
on the UBNT antennas?
Any opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] pmp 450 900mhz antenna options.

[Jerry Head]

I get the slant vs. h/v thing.
Interestingly enough my guys report that using the KP yagis with the KP 
dual slant sector they can rotate the
yagis on the vertical axis to "fine tune" the signal...I.E. sometimes 
30d slant.

Maybe vertical is the wrong word here...

On 3/11/2017 10:32 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Well, it'll work better than the Rockets...

The obvious differences between the UBNT and Cambium sectors are H/V 
polarity vs dual slant, and 120 degree vs 90 (at -6db, the Cambium's 
are sold as 65 degree, but I believe they are 90 at -6db). Not being 
slant shouldn't be a problem in most cases, and the gain is about the 
same. My biggest concern would be the F/B ratio, which doesn't seem to 
be listed on the spec sheet for the UBNT antennas, but if you don't 
need to do frequency re-use, that might not be too big of a deal.


We have one UBNT 900mhz sector, which we replaced with a Cambium 
PMP450i (we actually added the PMP450i, the UBNT sector is still in 
place, but currently powered off), and the signal levels stayed pretty 
similar on the customers that we switched over for the most part (most 
of the customers had Rockets with yagis). We plan to add a second 
Canopy AP at some point, re-using the UBNT sector, and re-aim both 
sectors to get more coverage, but hopefully we'll be able to switch 
everything over to the UBNT sector for a bit (with the 450i AP on it) 
while they're still both aimed the same and get a little better 
comparison.


On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


We have some sites with UBNT 900 sectors.
I wonder how the PMP 450i 900 would work in place of the Rockets
on the UBNT antennas?
Any opinions?

[AFMUG] pmp 450 900mhz antenna options.

[Jerry Head]

We have some sites with UBNT 900 sectors.
I wonder how the PMP 450i 900 would work in place of the Rockets
on the UBNT antennas?
Any opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT this list

[Jerry Head]

One of these does not fit.Randy SAVAGE maybe?


On 3/1/2017 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the Giant

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP QOS no worky

[Jerry Head]

Gotta start somewhere...

On 2/19/2017 3:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Not an ePMP specific reply, but I’m not sure I’d use the built-in 
speed test to determine what experience the customer is getting.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
*Sent:* Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP QOS no worky

Be sure and review your SNR at the customer site. We have seen where 
AC routers with 5G radios turned up that will make the Epmp deaf.


Also, if there is a higher nois floor at the customer site suggest 
scanning to find a cleaner channel for the AP.


On 2/19/2017 10:34 AM, Jerry Head wrote:

I am having trouble getting the QOS to work even close to
correctly on an ePMP 5ghz shot.
The AP only has on customer subscribed at this time and I cannot
seem to get the QOS to go above about 4meg on the download, upload
seems about right.
I have set the MIR values correctly on the AP but the download
just will not go over 4meg.
When I remove the QOS the download is right where it should be,
around 90 meg.
I am using the over the air speed test built in to the radios and
both are on 3.2.2 firmware.
Does anyone have any suggestions?

--

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP QOS no worky

[Jerry Head]

Good suggestion but it is like moon surface quiet at the customers premise.

On 2/19/2017 2:05 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Be sure and review your SNR at the customer site. We have seen where 
AC routers with 5G radios turned up that will make the Epmp deaf.


Also, if there is a higher nois floor at the customer site suggest 
scanning to find a cleaner channel for the AP.




On 2/19/2017 10:34 AM, Jerry Head wrote:
I am having trouble getting the QOS to work even close to correctly 
on an ePMP 5ghz shot.
The AP only has on customer subscribed at this time and I cannot seem 
to get the QOS to go above about 4meg on the download, upload seems 
about right.
I have set the MIR values correctly on the AP but the download just 
will not go over 4meg.
When I remove the QOS the download is right where it should be, 
around 90 meg.
I am using the over the air speed test built in to the radios and 
both are on 3.2.2 firmware.

Does anyone have any suggestions?


--

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP QOS no worky

[Jerry Head]

Don't think so, I have about 50 of these access points in the air and 
this is the only one I have found this behavior on.


On 2/19/2017 11:04 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Up and down speeds set backwards?

FWIW, we set ours to mostly 6 or 12meg download and it does work for 
us.  I think we're largely on 3.2 as opposed to 3.2.2



-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/19/2017 11:34:26 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP QOS no worky

I am having trouble getting the QOS to work even close to correctly 
on an ePMP 5ghz shot.
The AP only has on customer subscribed at this time and I cannot seem 
to get the QOS to go above about 4meg on the download, upload seems 
about right.
I have set the MIR values correctly on the AP but the download just 
will not go over 4meg.
When I remove the QOS the download is right where it should be, 
around 90 meg.
I am using the over the air speed test built in to the radios and 
both are on 3.2.2 firmware.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[AFMUG] ePMP QOS no worky

[Jerry Head]

I am having trouble getting the QOS to work even close to correctly on 
an ePMP 5ghz shot.
The AP only has on customer subscribed at this time and I cannot seem to 
get the QOS to go above about 4meg on the download, upload seems about 
right.
I have set the MIR values correctly on the AP but the download just will 
not go over 4meg.
When I remove the QOS the download is right where it should be, around 
90 meg.
I am using the over the air speed test built in to the radios and both 
are on 3.2.2 firmware.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living

[Jerry Head]

How did you get a $1,000,000.00 policy for $65.00/month?
I am 48 and cannot find prices that low anywhere.
Could it be a state vs. state issue?
TX vs. AL>

On 1/13/2017 2:07 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
My life insurance is term, $1,000,000 and cost me $65 a month. I am 
52. Health insurance for my family would be $1050 if I had kids on it 
and is an HSA with a $6500 deductible per insured I think.


Property is a drag if it isn't producing income. If it is it can be 
great, or at least it has been for me. I can say I have anything to 
complain about but I live even more spartan than you as far as 
accommodations. I think I only own 2 rent houses that aren't nicer 
than the one I live in.


One thing I think is important in a recurring revenue model is making 
sure your pricing keeps pace with inflation. If you don't you make 10% 
less in 3 years relatively speaking.


On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:02 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


While starting my ISP, I lived very frugally. No paid TV, only
made enough to pay bills and make dinner.
Now, I'm reaping the rewards of putting all that money back into
my company and taking a fat salary
and still putting money back into the company.

Compared to you, yes, I'm living "extravagantly" now. But if I
average it out over the years, I'm still
not making much on average. But, it's growing fast. Money does
seem to go further for me and this
ISP thing seems like an ATM with money constantly rolling in.

I don't work as much as I used to and have tons of free time. But,
that was by design and why I
decided to get into the recurring revenue business.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM, > wrote:

God Bless freaking Obama Care!
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living

I could literally buy two more houses on my cost of insurances
alone.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 11:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living

Personally, I am afraid to add up what I spend on all our
various insurance policies, business stuff and personal,
because I am sure I'd have a heart attack... I think it's a
large part of the strain.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Sterling Jacobson
 wrote:

I'm guessing this information is like a lot of you out there.

Except maybe my earnings because I am making about double
median gross salary for my city.

I'm not saying I work double, but I do fulfill many roles
as the only salary employee of my startup ISP.
I don't think I can replace myself for the same cost to
the company, so I feel ok with that.

I don't live extravagantly, but I do live comfortably.

I have a 3100 sqr foot rambler I've lived in since 2001
with a house payment of around $1500 a month.

But my biggest expense is health/insurance and medical.

I now pay about $2100 a month for my family health
insurance through IHC.
I just signed up for a good Dental Gold plan at $100 a
month for my family, but since it's not company I have to
wait 6-12 months for a lot of the benefits :(
The insurance deductibles are I think around $6000 a year
and I have medications that eat up most of that.

I just upped my life and disability insurance on myself
and my wife to make sure things don't go bad if I die,
that's around $550 a month.

I think I spend about $1000 a month on eating, groceries
and movies/date nights, at least that's what I came up to
in December so that might be a bit off.

I've got real estate I'm still trying to sell, but it's
not the panica everyone says it is, lol!

I just feel like finances don't go as far as they used to
a few years ago.

I'm not sparking a political debate, just wanted to see if
everyone see things in a similar light?

Or am I just doing the wrong things?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Inside towers

[Jerry Head]

i read it, I consider it quite informative.

On 1/12/2017 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Just got a piece of directed spam offering to feature my company in 
Inside Towers.

I don’t recall seeing this ezine before.
$250 a year.  Anyone see this rag?  Anyone actually read it?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i AP + PacketFlux SBJ Aux

[Jerry Head]

Um, does this mean that when I hang my first 450i 900Mhz I cannot sync 
it my existing FSK gear?


On 1/3/2017 3:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


Cambium has a bug in serial receive in the 450i.  I know it's  on 
their to be fixed list.



On Jan 3, 2017 12:45 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


I just got some of the SyncBox Junior Aux port version in and I
connected it up to a 900 450i AP running 15.0.2. Turned on UGPS
power, box powers up. Pretty cool. But still no GPS data. Turn off
GPS message checksum and it still doesn't work, the receiver info
section just gets all corrupt.

This is with GPS checksum enabled. C'mon Cambium!

Re: [AFMUG] TowerSide Chat

[Jerry Head]

"It doesn't  look like anything to me"

On 12/27/2016 10:39 AM, Ben Royer wrote:
Slightly OT, but not really, as it’s WISP talk, but thought I’d start 
a ‘TowerSide Chat’, (Fireside Chat), for the tower guys on the list.  
Haven’t seen much on climbing gear or such lately.  I remember seeing, 
a few shows back, this connector, and I’m curious, can anyone on here 
come up with a creative use for it other than rock climbing?  One 
thought I had was attach it to your tools or drink, and use it as a 
quick connect to move things around your workspace in the air.  What 
other creative things could you use this for?

frog_06
https://www.kong.it/en/2-products/items/c3-professional/f1-carabiners/p102-frog
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa Ptmp Rate Limiting

[Jerry Head]

We could not get it to work on the A5-18.
Defaulted to queues in the Mikrotik instead.
Admittedly we did not try very hard.

On 12/13/2016 3:58 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'm having some issues getting rate limiting to work correctly.  The 
speeds I'm getting are much lower than what they should be, but if I 
login via PPPoE they are wide open. Anyone using the built-in rate 
limiting?


-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Jerry Head]

Single provider only here in Alabama.
My policy is going to triple for 2017.
Bleh.

On 11/10/2016 11:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
That's the number that I hear quoted. If you have a reputable 
different number, then we can talk about that.


It's reported to be going up here by about 5%. It's going up more in 
some other states. None the less, the overall increase in the last 5 
or 6 years is still less than what was forecast.


The numbers need context.


bp


On 11/10/2016 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Are you *SURE* 22M people have insurance now that didn't before?

If there are 22M more people paying for insurance, why is the cost 
going up? Is it a scare resource now in higher demand?

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you very much for the Calendar!!

[Jerry Head]

On 11/7/2016 8:13 PM, Robert wrote:

Sam Morris you ROCK!!!   Thanks for the calendars...

I want a calendar...

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

[Jerry Head]

We have hung about 6 of these for the local 911 guys...
http://www.axis.com/ie/en/products/axis-p56-series
They seem to work pretty well.


On 10/27/2016 9:54 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


We want to put a camera(s) at the top of a 400� tower.  Best way to 
get 360 degree coverage?


Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Jerry Head]

Nice!

On 10/24/2016 10:59 AM, Ben Royer wrote:
Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100 
900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls 
in there too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new 
tower only took a couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had 
to move the old 900mhz. from one tower to the next.

http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

[Jerry Head]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

petrodollar



On 10/16/2016 9:12 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


I have no input on pundit agendas. Just the simple fact of the the 
matter the 7s economy drives the majority of all national economies if 
for no other simplified reason than our gluttony. And our military 
provides the vast majority of international security directly or 
indirectly, should we fall, which we potentially are on the brink of 
(tin foil off, look at the original content of this thread) it would 
be a global catastrophe, between the caliphate and the sheer volume of 
potential dictators itching for a pull at a trigger if that basted 
behemoth in North America would just get off their ass. It's not blind 
patriotism, it's non liberal blinded realism. Good or bad, the US is 
the most bad as force in the history of the planet mother nature 
aside. Remember, a few hundred years ago, we took the planets driven 
and aggregated them into a single geological locale  it's not 
happenstance or ignorant blinders that makes us the number one 
superpower  it's genetics.



On Oct 16, 2016 8:25 PM, "Paul Stewart" > wrote:


Not really … I was referring to my point about how often Americans
think the world revolves around them….

When the US housing crisis hit (and it was very sad, I’m not
suggesting there was anything positive about it) …. CNN and other
news outlets were making references that this would drive Canada
and other countries into bankruptcy because of out of control
Mortgages and other stuff going on.  This was the furthest thing
from the truth … Canada, in particular, has much stronger banking
laws/regulations than the USA does (even today) - there was still
pain that was felt but nothing on the scale that the media kept
talking about ..

For me personally, this example did hurt badly .. I owned a
consulting company based in the south and employed 26 people (all
American) at the time … when the housing crisis hit, so did a
significant number of bad debts and this ultimately led to me
closing the company, but not before I made sure all my employees
were looked after financially to help “weather the storm”.

I know it sounds like I’m picking a fight here about what country
is best, has the largest military, has the most money etc …. not
at all ….  my point was just that a lot of Americans think there
are no other countries that can compare - this is something that
many of my American friends are the first to point out as being
wrong …. and I agree.  Before you think this is a “typical
Canadian” talking here - I once had dual citizenship and was quite
proud of that.  I have also travelled the world fairly extensively
and seen many countries/cultures…

Just one person’s opinion….

Paul





On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

So you see the point then.


On Oct 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "Paul Stewart" > wrote:

Rest my case….




On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are
the only two things that actually control globalism. Name
one single country that would not have a major impact if we
pulled either from the global stage. . None is the answer


On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"
> wrote:

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large
and powerful country yes … but (and I’m not trying to
stir controversy here despite it sounding like it) it’s
one country out of many … and there are many other large
and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that
the US isn’t a major player and that some countries hurt
more than others when things happen in the US but the
“world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
Americans seem to think it does



On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for
the majority of the planet who has become accustomed to
riding the coat tails of the US in one major way or
another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster
globally.

Re: [AFMUG] Drilling into roof

[Jerry Head]

No drilling through roofs here either. One water damage repair can 
offset 2-3 years of revenue from that customer easily.



On 9/14/2016 11:26 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We do.  I know people do it all the time safely but I'm not that lucky 
and if anyone else messes up then I'll be the one having to deal with it.


TJ Trout wrote:


These days mounting a tripod on someone's roof makes me real nervous 
even though I've done hundreds before. Does anyone have a no roof 
drilling policy? Or am I just being too careful?

Re: [AFMUG] M2 WiFi Mode to ePMP AP WiFi Mode 10 MHz

[Jerry Head]

Yep.

On 8/23/2016 8:55 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
I'm about to swap out some UBNT M2 hardware for ePMP hardware. I plan 
to be changing the AP to ePMP first, then all the SMs.


Will 2.4 GHz M2 hardware connect in WiFi mode to an ePMP AP in a 10 
MHz wide channel?


Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber power draw on Netonix switch

[Jerry Head]

For those who care I did move the AF5X's to the HV ports and am still 
seeing spikes as high as 16.7 watts on both sides of the link.

FWiW

On 7/26/2016 1:18 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

ill say it depends on the freq band and the tx power output

On Monday, July 25, 2016, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Associated at 5320 passing some traffic

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Jul 25, 2016 3:09 AM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','i...@avantwireless.com');>> wrote:

Idle or transmitting at full speed?

On 7/24/16 9:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


My notes:

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the
factory POE.

POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Jul 24, 2016 11:32 PM, "Mathew Howard"
<mhoward...@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>> wrote:

I suspect the Netonix is wrong... the max draw of an AF5x
is supposed to be 15 watts, and it's typically quite a
bit lower than that, from what I've seen. As long as it
seems to be working normally, I wouldn't worry about it.

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 9:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com');>>
wrote:

netonix isnt the jeasus it pretends to be maybe. I
would love a poe switch that offers a max wattage
across the board. Its unrealistic, I know, but it
would be like jeasus shat diamonds on a beautiful
turd if there was such s beast


On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Jerry Head
<li...@blountbroadband.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','li...@blountbroadband.com');>>
wrote:

So I have been looking at a new AF5x connection
on a Netonix switch. The Netonix is providing
power. I see the AF5x power draw jump up to
around 19.2 watts periodically, it seems the
Netonix only goes up to 18 watts.
What is the deal here? Is the AF5x under powered
now? Is it affecting performance? Is the Netonix
confused?
What? Opinions are welcome.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber power draw on Netonix switch

[Jerry Head]

Passing about 70 Meg last night and now passing about 15 meg.
Still doing it.

On 7/25/2016 2:09 AM, Robert wrote:

Idle or transmitting at full speed?

On 7/24/16 9:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


My notes:

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory 
POE.


POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Jul 24, 2016 11:32 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I suspect the Netonix is wrong... the max draw of an AF5x is
supposed to be 15 watts, and it's typically quite a bit lower
than that, from what I've seen. As long as it seems to be working
normally, I wouldn't worry about it.

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 9:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

netonix isnt the jeasus it pretends to be maybe. I would love
a poe switch that offers a max wattage across the board. Its
unrealistic, I know, but it would be like jeasus shat
diamonds on a beautiful turd if there was such s beast


    On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Jerry Head
<li...@blountbroadband.com
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:

So I have been looking at a new AF5x connection on a
Netonix switch. The Netonix is providing power. I see the
AF5x power draw jump up to around 19.2 watts
periodically, it seems the Netonix only goes up to 18 watts.
What is the deal here? Is the AF5x under powered now? Is
it affecting performance? Is the Netonix confused?
What? Opinions are welcome.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Airfiber power draw on Netonix switch

[Jerry Head]

So I have been looking at a new AF5x connection on a Netonix switch. The 
Netonix is providing power. I see the AF5x power draw jump up to around 
19.2 watts periodically, it seems the Netonix only goes up to 18 watts.
What is the deal here? Is the AF5x under powered now? Is it affecting 
performance? Is the Netonix confused?

What? Opinions are welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] 32 home subdivision

[Jerry Head]

I will jump in here, I am unhappy with Mimosa because they utterly 
failed as a backhaul; at least here anyway.
Their "adaptive algorithm" bullshit will cause normally healthy links 
passing 30-80 meg to modulate down to a

MAC TX/RX of like 6mbps/3mbps from something like 162/54.
 Randomly, and for no particular reason. I will pull their last link 
next week.
Oh and also they will might question your cabling if you ask for 
support. I am moving to another vendor completely.



On 7/20/2016 10:52 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:



Why are you mad at Mimosa?

can...@believewireless.net wrote:
As much as I'm pissed with Mimosa right now, wouldn't this be a good 
fit for the A5 as well?


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:49 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


The 450d doesn't come in 4 and 10, only 20Mb. Then loading 14.1.1+
will automatically upgrade them to 40Mb aggregate. Cambium
actually listened. The price ain't too bad for what you get either.

On 7/20/2016 7:18 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


What does this mean?

“and use the 450d SMs.  They are 40 Meg with the latest firmware”.

We use 450d and have been buying 20Meg units and upgrading to
unlimited when necessary.

When and how are they 40 Meg??

Thanks

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 32 home subdivision

A 450i AP or two and use the 450d SMs.  They are 40 Meg with the
latest firmware.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519  Office

574-220-7826  Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 


On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Unlimited because 450 doesn't have an SFP?

But seriously I'd say two APs in 20 MHz. Or one in 40 MHz. 
For pricing contact your favorite distributor :)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 20, 2016 5:18 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

32 homes in the mountains.  Fiber at the site.  All homes
withing 1000 feet of each other.

How many 450 APs would it take to give everyone a 30 Mbps
fiber experience?

Say everyone is doing a netflix each evening, so that is
going to be 2 APs minimum.

10 SMs per AP would probably do it?

What are 450 SMs and APs going for these days?

[AFMUG] FreeCast

[Jerry Head]

This company FreeCast cold called me today trying to sell OTT video 
services.

Looks mildly interesting.
Does anyone have any opinions/experiences they might share?

[AFMUG] CCR update

[Jerry Head]

My Edge router is a CCR 1016 12g running 6.1
I think it might be time to update the firmware.
Is the latest (6.35.4) firmware a good choice and can
I go straight to it from 6.1 without breaking anything?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jerry Head]

It has been a rough week, can we help?

On 6/16/2016 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Yeah, hope you're fairing better than us.

Jerry Head wrote:

All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jerry Head]

All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] angle iron tower legs

[Jerry Head]

How about a Long Lines tower?

On 6/6/2016 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Who has an angle iron tower leg that needs a tower mount?
I am going to add that option but need someone to test some prototypes.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

All of the above.

On 6/6/2016 10:52 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
What were the symptoms of problems with ubnt?  low modulation? sector 
capacity issues?

What made your friend and you decide to switch to epmp?

- Original Message -
*From:* Jerry Head <mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2016 10:36 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Yup 36 Max ptmp and no I cannot confirm what power levels were
being run on UBNT.

On 6/6/2016 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

21+15 just checked


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Isn't it 21+18 max?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 6, 2016 10:52 AM, "Mathew Howard"
<mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

only if the power is set wrong.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

Epmp is like 6 dB less power?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 6, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mathew Howard"
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

The only direct comparison I've seen with the
same antennas at the AP was the one Jerry Head
mentioned here... and he wasn't able to confirm
that TX power was the same.

The other thing that I'm wondering about is if
the fact that the Cambium sectors are dual slant
instead of H/V has something to do with it.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Someone asked whether the xmt power was
apples-to-apples, has that been answered?
If the antennas are comparable, it would seem
the only explanations for different rcv
signal would be xmt power, or calibration error.
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2016 8:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
I think if I was cambium, I would have a
couple of guys on a plane or in a car with a
suitcase of equipment to visit you in the field.
This was not the intended or expected outcome
for that product.
*From:* Josh Luthman
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Never really left. I would have to lose
customers with epmp 2.4 wifi due to lack of
signal.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 5, 2016 10:12 PM, "Paul McCall"
<pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

So you went back to UBNT in 2.4?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:57 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

No. I have no pmp450 in my network simply
due to cost.


Josh Luthman


Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul
McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

Josh,

Have you tried 450 2.4 in the exact
  

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

Yup 36 Max ptmp and no I cannot confirm what power levels were being run 
on UBNT.


On 6/6/2016 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

21+15 just checked


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Isn't it 21+18 max?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 6, 2016 10:52 AM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

only if the power is set wrong.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Epmp is like 6 dB less power?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 6, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mathew Howard"
<mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The only direct comparison I've seen with the same
antennas at the AP was the one Jerry Head mentioned
here... and he wasn't able to confirm that TX power
was the same.

The other thing that I'm wondering about is if the
fact that the Cambium sectors are dual slant instead
of H/V has something to do with it.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Someone asked whether the xmt power was
apples-to-apples, has that been answered?
If the antennas are comparable, it would seem the
only explanations for different rcv signal would
be xmt power, or calibration error.
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2016 8:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
I think if I was cambium, I would have a couple of
guys on a plane or in a car with a suitcase of
equipment to visit you in the field.
This was not the intended or expected outcome for
that product.
*From:* Josh Luthman
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Never really left. I would have to lose customers
with epmp 2.4 wifi due to lack of signal.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 5, 2016 10:12 PM, "Paul McCall"
<pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

So you went back to UBNT in 2.4?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:57 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

No. I have no pmp450 in my network simply due
to cost.


Josh Luthman


Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Paul McCall
<pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
wrote:

Josh,

Have you tried 450 2.4 in the exact situation
where ePMP 2.4 “sucked”?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2016 5:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

No...it's not.  The EPMP 2.4 radios just 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

Cambium said "here try this new firmware!"
On 6/5/2016 3:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

All good information.  Appreciate your sharing.
Did Cambium have anything to say about it?

- Original Message -
    *From:* Jerry Head <mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 3:23 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

RSSI?
4-7dBm


On 6/5/2016 1:17 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> What was the average signal difference?
>
> Jerry Head wrote:
>> It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just
helped a
>> friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the
sync
>> capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the
customers
>> to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.
>>
>> On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same
>>> link, or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate
signal
>>> levels? It doesn't make any sense that two different radios
running
>>> on the same frequency putting the same amount of power into
the same
>>> antennas would give significantly different signal levels...
>>>
>>> The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a
Force
>>> 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant
>>> difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
>>> integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>> hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
>>> using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
>>> antennas...
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>> Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
>>> mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor
should
>>> penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care
what brand
>>> radio launched them.  And I think the difference
between
>>> the platforms will be most evident in low interference
>>> environment where they can achieve their full
modulation
>>> and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s kind of
like
>>> arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing,
neither
>>> will be able to show off its capabilities. Receiver
>>> sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>> Also interested in interference rejection of the
pmp450
>>> - is there any (in 2.4)
>>> we are getting better foliage penetration with
ubnt 2.4
>>> than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
>>> the epmp 2.4 i wish wish w

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

i guess it could be something like that...but are they not both limited 
to regional maximum if one checks the calculate EIRP limit in the ubnt 
gear? And sets the correct antenna gain of course...


On 6/5/2016 3:58 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Is it possible the ePMP tx power is at the regional maximum while the 
ubiquiti tx power was at the hardware maximum?


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


RSSI?
4-7dBm


On 6/5/2016 1:17 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What was the average signal difference?

    Jerry Head wrote:

It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just
helped a friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to
make use of the sync capabilities. We actually had to
transfer about 15% of the customers to 900 because they
would not work at all on epmp.

On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on
the same link, or is it maybe just differences in how
they calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any
sense that two different radios running on the same
frequency putting the same amount of power into the
same antennas would give significantly different
signal levels...

The closest thing I've done to a comparison was
playing with a Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there
didn't seem to be a significant difference between it
and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>> wrote:

And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200
2.4,
integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
>
Direct: 937-552-2343 
>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with
ubnt we're
using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it
is bundled
antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are
seeing may be
mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any
vendor should
penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t
care what brand
radio launched them.  And I think the
difference between
the platforms will be most evident in low
interference
environment where they can achieve their
full modulation
and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s
kind of like
arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road
racing, neither
will be able to show off its capabilities.
Receiver
sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

RSSI?
4-7dBm


On 6/5/2016 1:17 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

What was the average signal difference?

Jerry Head wrote:
It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped a 
friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the sync 
capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the customers 
to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.


On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same 
link, or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal 
levels? It doesn't make any sense that two different radios running 
on the same frequency putting the same amount of power into the same 
antennas would give significantly different signal levels...


The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 
200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant 
difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.


On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> 
wrote:


And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor should
penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care what brand
radio launched them.  And I think the difference between
the platforms will be most evident in low interference
environment where they can achieve their full modulation
and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like
arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
will be able to show off its capabilities. Receiver
sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450 
- is there any (in 2.4)

we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4
than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

- Original Message -
*From:* Matt <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed. Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple test links.

For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what
are the differences
you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance
among others?

For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

No not really. Well yes eventually but it took an intervention from 
Cambium with some RC software  to settle the site down. The bad clients 
never recovered though.


On 6/5/2016 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

But, I’ll bet some customers got better service or throughput too, yes?
*From:* Jerry Head <mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped a 
friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the sync 
capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the customers 
to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.


On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, 
or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? 
It doesn't make any sense that two different radios running on the 
same frequency putting the same amount of power into the same 
antennas would give significantly different signal levels...


The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 
200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant 
difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
integrated + reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor should
penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care what brand
radio launched them. And I think the difference between
the platforms will be most evident in low interference
environment where they can achieve their full modulation
and throughput.  With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like
arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
will be able to show off its capabilities. Receiver
sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450 
- is there any (in 2.4)

we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4
than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

- Original Message -
*From:* Matt <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple test links.

For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what
are the differences
you have seen in performance? Interference tolerance
among others?

For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

Hard to say for sure but there were casualties on all four APs fwiw.

On 6/5/2016 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Was it only certain areas that were worse or any areas better 
(indicating antenna pattern differences) or across the board worse?




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Colin Stanners" <cstann...@gmail.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, June 5, 2016 8:28:39 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

This is very interesting. How different were the antenna gains at the 
APs and clients? For those clients that didn't work after the swap, 
did it seem more due to lower signal level or just bad linktests / 
reconnections?


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped
a friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the
sync capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the
customers to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.

On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the
same link, or is it maybe just differences in how they
calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any sense that two
different radios running on the same frequency putting the
same amount of power into the same antennas would give
significantly different signal levels...

The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a
Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a
significant difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting
to the same AP.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
integrated + reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt
we're using kp performance. With epmp, i think it is
bundled antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may
be mainly in the antennas. 2.4 GHz from any vendor
should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t
care what brand radio launched them.  And I think
the difference between the platforms will be most
evident in low interference environment where they
can achieve their full modulation and throughput.
With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing
Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
will be able to show off its capabilities.
Receiver sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Also interested in interference rejection of the
pmp450  - 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

Same antennas at the AP, just removed the Rockets and installed the Epmp 
radios. As for the CPE side All Nanobeams to Force 200. Both lower 
signal level and dropped links, in at lease one case the epmp NEVER made 
a link.


On 6/5/2016 8:28 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
This is very interesting. How different were the antenna gains at the 
APs and clients? For those clients that didn't work after the swap, 
did it seem more due to lower signal level or just bad linktests / 
reconnections?


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>> wrote:


It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped
a friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the
sync capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the
customers to 900 because they would not work at all on epmp.

On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same
link, or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate
signal levels? It doesn't make any sense that two different
radios running on the same frequency putting the same amount of
power into the same antennas would give significantly different
signal levels...

The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a
Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a
significant difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting to
the same AP.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
integrated + reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor
should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care
what brand radio launched them. And I think the
difference between the platforms will be most evident
in low interference environment where they can
achieve their full modulation and throughput. With
low SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing Ferrari vs
Porsche for off road racing, neither will be able to
show off its capabilities. Receiver sensitivity and
bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Also interested in interference rejection of the
pmp450  - is there any (in 2.4)
we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt
2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

- Original Message -
*From:* Matt <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed. Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we
have tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple test links.

For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450
what are the differences
you have seen in performance? Interference
tolerance among others?

For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP
what was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Jerry Head]

It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped a 
friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the sync 
capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the customers to 
900 because they would not work at all on epmp.


On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, 
or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? 
It doesn't make any sense that two different radios running on the 
same frequency putting the same amount of power into the same antennas 
would give significantly different signal levels...


The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 
200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant 
difference between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.


On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4, integrated
+ reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using
kp performance. With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly
in the antennas. 2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate
the same, the radio waves don’t care what brand radio
launched them.  And I think the difference between the
platforms will be most evident in low interference
environment where they can achieve their full modulation
and throughput.  With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like
arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
will be able to show off its capabilities.  Receiver
sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450  -
is there any (in 2.4)
we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4
than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

- Original Message -
*From:* Matt 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well. Have some ePMP we have
tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple test links.

For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are
the differences
you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance
among others?

For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] Deka 7T31 non-AGM batteries

[Jerry Head]

I like these...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/eltaidav6g0o392/Screenshot%202016-06-02%2010.50.28.png?dl=0

On 6/1/2016 12:24 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Some our remote towers can have outages lasting several hours several 
times a year.  We have gotten good lifespans on the AGMs and we are 
probably leaning that way, the more I investigate the situation.  I 
have a local dealer that buys 20K of a couple particular model per 
month, so am able to get the AGM price down with Free delivery.  Can 
get a 105ah for $ 180 or an 80ah for $ 140 so that’s what I am leaning 
towards since the AGMs have done so well for us.  Am also switching 
most everything to 48v (from 24v) so that is a factor in my 
calculations on run-time needed etc.


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Deka 7T31 non-AGM batteries

Flooded cells can last >20 years.

*From:*Ken Hohhof 

*Sent:*Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:50 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Deka 7T31 non-AGM batteries

Paul, how often do you change the batteries?  And how often do they 
get discharged?


The small ones I try to change every 2 years, but the 100Ah and larger 
AGMs seems to last 5 years or more.  Our towers only have a handful of 
power outages per year though.


Most of our big batteries are Concorde (marine or solar) or 
Northstar.  I suspect any name brand US manufactured AGM batteries 
would have similar life.


*From:*George Skorup 

*Sent:*Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:24 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Deka 7T31 non-AGM batteries

I just use AGM everywhere. Screw maintaining wet cells.

On 5/31/2016 11:14 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

We have 22 towers that have the battery plant indoors.  4
batteries at $ 100 each vs $ 200 each (Optima D31M) saves $ 400
per tower  ($ 8800 total)

We need to be doing routine maintenance and inspection on each
tower anyways every 6 months or so.

The cost savings is something to consider.

For outdoor, we can stick with AGM.

Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Deka 7T31 non-AGM batteries

Adding to what Chuck said, you'd also only want to use flooded
batts in a vented space. AGM are safer in sealed enclosure.

*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net

Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 5/31/16 8:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Flooded cells will have the lowest price per watt hour and the
longest life if in a temp controlled environment.

However, they are classified as hazardous materials due to the
amount of liquid electrolyte and that may affect zoning and
insurance (if any one asks).

I would not use a lead acid flooded cell unless it was in a
temp controlled environment.

If  you have 120 batts to replace, sounds like they might be
outdoors.  I would use AGM.

*From:*Paul McCall 

*Sent:*Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:38 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Deka 7T31 non-AGM batteries

Guys,

We have always used the Optima D31M AGM batteries (just
because).  Well…. It’s that time… time to replace 90% of them,
and looking for alternatives.  Having to buy 120+ batteries…
cost becomes something to at least look at.

My local supplier says that FPL (Florida Power & Light – aka
Florida Flicker and Flash)  uses the Deka 7T31  non-AGM
batteries (Lead Acid) and they are a lot cheaper (waiting on
price – I found them quickly for $ 100 each).  They are a
100ah batteries.  Here is the spec otherwise

http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com/wp-content/uploads/Deka-Commercial-Batteries-Flyer-0010.pdf
(minus the ah rating which I got from Deka over the phone).

Does lead acid have distinct disadvantages from AGM?  Also,
anybody using Li-Ion yet for a tower battery bank?  Probably
not cost-effective ?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Irony

[Jerry Head]

Just gonna leave this right here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ran_Kropp


On 5/22/2016 9:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
the trash at everest is disgustong, those oxugen bottled being a huge 
part of it. F these people who arent good stewards of such places.


I like it when vegans meet their demise. Not because I am against the 
idea of shoosing what you eat but because 90 persent of them are 
douche canoes who wont shut up. Well, except this guy, he shut up.


On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


I have avoided it as well as the movie because of the outcome. 
Perhaps someday I will screw up my courage and read the book or

watch the movie.
I did enjoy the book about the kid that went on walk-about in
Alaska and lived in a bus only to be done in by some berries he ate.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Irony

You should read Jon Krakauer's "/Into Thin Air/". It's a first
hand account of a climb up Everest back in 1996. It goes into some
of those details about oxygen starvation, and the cold. There are
parts that he doesn't remember and/or has a partial memory of.
Quite a good read.

http://www.amazon.com/Into-Thin-Air-Personal-Disaster/dp/0385494785

bp


On 5/22/2016 6:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

One of the Everest climbers that died from altitude sickness this
week was a vegan on a mission to prove the vegans are as strong
and robust as everyone else.  Was attempting to prove the point
by climbing mountains.
I wonder if they are on oxygen all the way up and back down
(above 15,000 feet or so)?  That is a lot of oxygen.
I know that if you neglect to put on your oxygen in a small
plane, you go to sleep about 18,000.  Happened to my wife once. 
I was too busy flying and complying to tell her I had left 13,000

for 23,000.  She didn’t respond to gentle prodding or voice, so I
put a cannula on her and she was fine a minute later.
Everest is >29,000 feet.  Hard to believe it can be done, even
with oxygen.





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