subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico \- WSJ"

Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are
free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible
and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were
irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a
new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy
as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too
indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they
aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of
responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4
letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you
take it for yourself.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the
> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither
> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be
> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in
> Chicago :P
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
>> pay good money for good votes.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>>
>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
>>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
>>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>>
>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate
>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive
>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
>>> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>>
>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have
>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>>> sorry.  Try harder.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>>>> tests, pay money.
>>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>>>> pay money.
>>>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
>>>> or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>>>> passport, pay money.
>>>>
>>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>>>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>>>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>>>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>>>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>>>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>>>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the whole
argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither the
fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be enough
to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in Chicago :P

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
> pay good money for good votes.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>
> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>
>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
>> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
>> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
>> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>
>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
>> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>> sorry.  Try harder.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>>> tests, pay money.
>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>>> pay money.
>>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
>>> or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>>> passport, pay money.
>>>
>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>>
>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>>> or by bike.
>>>
>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>>
>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> There are

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

So you believe in socialist welfare and I should have to pay for your birth
certificate?!?!  I don't want to pay for someone else's birth certificate,
pay for your own!



-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would support free birth certificates.  That seems like a reasonable
> right for all citizens.   (How do you prove you are you to get a birth
> certificate?)
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>
> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>
> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
> sorry.  Try harder.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>> tests, pay money.
>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>> pay money.
>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
>> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>> passport, pay money.
>>
>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>
>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>> or by bike.
>>
>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>
>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>> voter id is so all the illeg

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

In Chicago only the dead vote ;) twice!

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
> pay good money for good votes.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>
> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>
>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>
>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
>> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
>> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
>> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>
>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
>> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>> sorry.  Try harder.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>>> tests, pay money.
>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>>> pay money.
>>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
>>> or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>>> passport, pay money.
>>>
>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>>
>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>>> or by bike.
>>>
>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>>
>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75%
>>>> of 18-20 year olds have no state

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You pay 
good money for good votes.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=

Voter fraud is vertically non existent 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

  To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you 
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were 
not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  
Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

  Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or 
to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  
of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting 
age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have 
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

-Sean 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

  Should they be allowed to drive?

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

My motto...vote early vote often...
On Apr 7, 2016 10:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>
> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>
> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
> sorry.  Try harder.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>> tests, pay money.
>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>> pay money.
>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
>> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>> passport, pay money.
>>
>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>
>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>> or by bike.
>>
>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>
>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

But if you want anyone to be able to stroll into a polling place an vote, they 
can go to the next polling place and vote again, because they don’t have to 
show no stinking ID.  And I can get lots of people to do this and vote the way 
I tell ‘em because I pay them...

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um computers?!?! 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

  To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you 
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were 
not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  
Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

  Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or 
to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  
of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting 
age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have 
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

-Sean 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

  Should they be allowed to drive?

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<ja

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I would support free birth certificates.  That seems like a reasonable right 
for all citizens.   (How do you prove you are you to get a birth certificate?)  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need 
to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were not 
issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  Obtaining 
a new birth certificate == poll tax.

Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
  If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
  Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or to 
leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

  I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  of 
civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, 
but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all 
never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

  I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

  At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

  Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

  -Sean 

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

Should they be allowed to drive?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gm

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Um computers?!?!



On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>
> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>
> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
> sorry.  Try harder.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>> tests, pay money.
>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>> pay money.
>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
>> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>> passport, pay money.
>>
>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>
>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>> or by bike.
>>
>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>
>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need 
to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were not 
issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  Obtaining 
a new birth certificate == poll tax.

Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
  If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
  Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or to 
leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

  I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  of 
civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, 
but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all 
never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

  I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

  At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

  Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

  -Sean 

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

Should they be allowed to drive?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>
  To: "af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.

To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so
I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.
Try harder.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
> pay money.
> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay
> money.
> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
> passport, pay money.
>
> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style
> of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit
> voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep
> the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
> transportation and few people own a car???
>
> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
> or by bike.
>
> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
> whatever cash I had on hand.
>
> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>
>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>>> fine with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or to 
leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  of 
civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, 
but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all 
never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  Didn't 
need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash 
I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

-Sean 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Should they be allowed to drive?

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:


I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 


  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mathew Howard" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>
To: "af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
        Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells 
me they require one of the following:

  a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
  b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
  c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
  d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
  e.. United States military identification card containing the 
person’s photograph 
  f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
  g.. United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.


here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and 
there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay 
for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Why do you assume all Mexicans are dark or brown?  Some are as white blond
and blue eyed as any from the Angelic racemy youngest brother passes
for white as does my oldest daughter... there are also black Mexicans and
even red haired with frecklestoo funny know
On Apr 7, 2016 7:48 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
> transportation and few people own a car???
>
> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
> or by bike.
>
> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
> whatever cash I had on hand.
>
> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>
>  -Sean
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>
>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>>> fine with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
>>>> me they require one of the following:
>>>>
>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun i

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
transportation and few people own a car???

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
or by bike.

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
whatever cash I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.

 -Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Should they be allowed to drive?
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cpeter...@portnetworks.com');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>
> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');>> wrote:
>
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Ken Hohhof

Don’t they want their $5 and a pork chop sandwich?
http://www.amazon.com/Five-Dollars-Pork-Chop-Sandwich/dp/0807076406

OK, that was Louisiana.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

I would venture a guess that if they have no idea how to obtain an id they 
would be much less likely or inclined to register to vote so that is kind of a 
moot point

On Apr 7, 2016 6:01 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
        Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells 
me they require one of the following:

  a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
  b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
  c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
  d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
  e.. United States military identification card containing the 
person’s photograph 
  f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
  g.. United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and 
there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay 
for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to 
get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I 
really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a 
citizen to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

  The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

  As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have 
a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll 
tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to 
produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license 
but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state 
school.

  Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. 
Make America great?!?!

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while 
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal 
and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrym

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I would venture a guess that if they have no idea how to obtain an id they
would be much less likely or inclined to register to vote so that is kind
of a moot point
On Apr 7, 2016 6:01 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>>
>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fr

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

can't be any worse than some voters,if we needed intelligence and
common sense to vote, Trumps and Cruzados numbers would drop



ducking

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:

> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>>
>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>>> lot of voter fraud b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Carl Peterson

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 
year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain 
one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
> have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things 
> that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just 
> as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the 
> illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they 
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with 
>> who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
>>> racist.
>>> 
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine 
>>> with that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
>>> Mexico - WSJ
>>> 
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
>>> they require one of the following:
>>> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
>>> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>> United States military identification card containing the person’s 
>>> photograph
>>> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
>>> United States passport
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>> 
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there 
>>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for 
>>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to 
>>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I 
>>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a 
>>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
>>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a 
>>>> super conservative "republican" could ever win.  
>>>> 
>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot 
>>>> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
>>>> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal 
>>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you 
>>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or 
>>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID 
>>>> was issued by a state school.
>>>> 
>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
>>>> America great?!?!
>>>> 
>>>> -Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed 
>>>>> a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>>> 
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

>>>>>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
>>>>>> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
>>>>>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go 
>>>>>> vote!
>>>>>> Guess he did something rightha
>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>>>>> racist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>>>>> fine with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
>>>>>> me they require one of the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>>>>- United States military identification card containing the
>>>>>>person’s photograph
>>>>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>>>>photograph
>>>>>>- United States passport
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really
>>>>>> see anything inconsistent there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>>>>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a 
>>>>>>> super
>>>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have
>>>>>>> a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an 
>>>>>>> illegal
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

>
>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>>>> racist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>>>> fine with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
>>>>> me they require one of the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>>>- United States military identification card containing the
>>>>>person’s photograph
>>>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>>>photograph
>>>>>- United States passport
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really
>>>>> see anything inconsistent there.
>>>>>
>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>>>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a 
>>>>>> super
>>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have
>>>>>> a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an 
>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>>>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>>>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> issued by a state school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
>>>>>> Make America great?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Ken Hohhof

I liked the people saying Bernie Sanders does well in mostly white states like 
Hawaii.
(Hawaii is 25% white, by far the lowest percentage white population among the 
states)
(Maine and Vermont are the highest at 95%)
(Maine however may change, given all those drug dealers named D-Money, Smoothie 
and Shifty impregnating their young white girls)

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter if it 
is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without getting 
government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around racist guys. What 
a bummer.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school 
sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with clock, 
WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team, Socorro 
Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm beaners and 
wetbacks, etc... 
  Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were having 
breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen talking real 
loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new oneblah blah...until 
my son asked them if any of them had served in the military?   Nope...my son 
politely told he had served two tours in Iraq, lost good friends and could they 
please lower their voices as he was trying to enjoy his breakfast and didn't 
want to me to get upset.They didn't say a thing until we leftthe cook 
heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW, he was white.So Lewis, our state 
needs to progress a bit more in that respect...and as much as I hate to say it, 
my children's mom is a Perry and second cousin to our past governor.   That is 
the family secret we holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to 
have...even though I have trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I 
have always said Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that 
teaches kids from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their 
motto, "Out of the Barrio with an education !!"
  That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not 
marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God and 
religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public 
schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church and 
State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around Texas with 
Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in Amarillo this 
past January while working in Borger.


  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, 
and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to 
dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like 
everyone else has already mentioned. 

Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes 
from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are going 
to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute some of 
it. 

OK. Start the all caps yelliing.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican 
Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all 
kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the students at 
Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight 
for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold them to register and 
vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did something 
rightha 

  On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that. 





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
    Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells 
me they require one of the following

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

acebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
>>>> me they require one of the following:
>>>>
>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>>- United States military identification card containing the
>>>>person’s photograph
>>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>>photograph
>>>>- United States passport
>>>>
>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>>
>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a 
>>>>> super
>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an 
>>>>> illegal
>>>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID 
>>>>> was
>>>>> issued by a state school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
>>>>> Make America great?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>>>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>>>>> illegal immigration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in
>>>>>> Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> sucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should
>>>>>> the most important th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter
if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without
getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around
racist guys. What a bummer.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
> sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
> clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
> Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
> beaners and wetbacks, etc...
> Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
> having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
> talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
> oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
> military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
> lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
> to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
> say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
> he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
> respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
> second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
> holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
> trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
> Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
> from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
> of the Barrio with an education !!"
> That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not
> marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God and
> religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
> schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
> and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
> Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
> Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
>> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
>> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
>> everyone else has already mentioned.
>>
>> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay
>> taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you
>> are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to
>> contribute some of it.
>>
>> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
>>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
>>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
>>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
>>> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
>>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
>>> Guess he did something rightha
>>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://ww

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
beaners and wetbacks, etc...
Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
of the Barrio with an education !!"
That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not
marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God and
religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
> everyone else has already mentioned.
>
> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes
> from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are
> going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute
> some of it.
>
> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
>> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
>> Guess he did something rightha
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license iss

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
>>>> because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
>>>> skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
>>>> win.
>>>>
>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
>>>> ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
>>>> fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
>>>> to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
>>>> sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
>>>> to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
>>>> hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
>>>> ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
>>>>
>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
>>>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>
>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
>>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>>>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>>>
>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>>
>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>>
>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>>> logical conversation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>     Mike Hammett
>>>>         Intelligent Computing Solutions < <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange < <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP < <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>>>>
>>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
>>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>>
>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


Ha! Could be!

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/7/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think they say the same about Republicans in NY don't they?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from
losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will
wake up the sleeping giant.

On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

The only people that like gerrymandering are the people
in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological.
Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
        *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might
Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that
are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican"
could ever win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting
the fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are
designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
"poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in
texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you
can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are
1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a
shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or
against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference
between legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering
districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at
it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your
life, why should the most important thing be any
different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a
mostly logical conversation.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebro

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I think they say the same about Republicans in NY don't they?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing
>> their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping
>> giant.
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
>>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
>>> suck because of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" < <af...@zirkel.us>af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>>> issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>>> America great?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>
>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>>
>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>>> illegal immigration.
>>>>
>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>>
>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should
>>>> the most important thing be any different?
>>>>
>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>>> conversation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

try are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net
   
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:


"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't
give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or
against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the
difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is
gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at
it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else
in your life,
why should the most important thing be any
different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to
a mostly
logical conversation.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
   
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
   
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP
<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


   
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


--------------------
        *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
        *To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says
He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an
expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from
Italy...when no
one liked Italians. Italy was poor and
invading north
africa his motivation  was the same as all
the South
Americans coming here now (I say South
Americans because
most of the illegal immigrants are forms
Countries south
of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from
learning Italian
because at that time the Italians were looked
down upon
(early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close
the gate
behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica)
is built on
immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for
the Syrians
fleeing oppression or the South Americans
migrating north
for a better life are just plain stupid in my
opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and
I'm fucking
proud of being a progressive liberal - im so
sick and
tired of the agenda of this country being
driven by this
damn conservative minority who would rather
see their
neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative
minority
because they have to gerrymander districts
and enact
"voter ID" laws in order to win. Social
security and
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being
and prevent
the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.

I could go on and on but #fucktrump and
#fuckcruze their
policies and rhetoric have no place in a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:


"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't
give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or
against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the
difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is
gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it.
Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in
your life,
why should the most important thing be any
different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to
a mostly
logical conversation.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
   
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
   
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP
<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


   
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


--------
            *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
        *To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He
Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an
expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from
Italy...when no
one liked Italians. Italy was poor and
invading north
africa his motivation  was the same as all the
South
Americans coming here now (I say South
Americans because
most of the illegal immigrants are forms
Countries south
of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from
learning Italian
because at that time the Italians were looked
down upon
(early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close
the gate
behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is
built on
immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for
the Syrians
fleeing oppression or the South Americans
migrating north
for a better life are just plain stupid in my
opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and
I'm fucking
proud of being a progressive liberal - im so
sick and
tired of the agenda of this country being
driven by this
damn conservative minority who would rather
see their
neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative
minority
because they have to gerrymander districts and
enact
"voter ID" laws in order to win. Social
security and
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being
and prevent
the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.

I could go on and on but #fucktrump and
#fuckcruze their
policies and rhetoric have no place in a
"civilized" society.

What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? 
Seriously WTF?


I can't wait to see t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

My theory is that you have to have filed a tax return.  It's the legal 
obligation of all adult US citizens.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, and 
> by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to dissuade 
> minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like everyone 
> else has already mentioned.
> 
> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes 
> from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are 
> going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute 
> some of it. 
> 
> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican Americans 
>> from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all kinds of 
>> tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the students at Tornillo 
>> High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight for 
>> better education.  We did same in El Pasotold them to register and 
>> vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did 
>> something rightha
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist.
>> 
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine 
>> with that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
>> Mexico - WSJ
>> 
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
>> they require one of the following:
>> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
>> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>> United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
>> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
>> United States passport
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
>> anything inconsistent there.
>> 
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is 
>> a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
>> necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get 
>> an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I 
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a 
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.  
>>> 
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot 
>>> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
>>> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal 
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you 
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or 
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was 
>>> issued by a state school.
>>> 
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
>>> America great?!?!
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>> 
>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

>From my experience, every person in the seat of power and ease at someone
else's expense tries very hard to keep what they have. You just need to
move to Illinois where it is Democrats doing it. The sad part is, it
appears voters refuse to wake up. That is one reason we are in the shape we
are in.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their
> power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant.
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
>> suck because of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

; Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
>>>> 
>>>> -Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>> 
>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
>>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>>>> things.
>>>> 
>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>>>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>>> 
>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>> 
>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>> 
>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>>> logical conversation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>> 
>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
>>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>> 
>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
>>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
>>>> africa his motivation  was the same as all the South
>>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
>>>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian
>>>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon
>>>> (early 1900's)
>>>> 
>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate
>>>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on
>>>> immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for the Syrians
>>>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north
>>>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking
>>>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and
>>>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this
>>>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority
>>>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact
>>>> "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social security and
>>>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent
>>>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>

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Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
everyone else has already mentioned.

Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes
from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are
going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute
some of it.

OK. Start the all caps yelliing.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
> Guess he did something rightha
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine
> with that.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 legal and illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>> logical conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>     Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>         <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
>>> africa his motivation  was the same as all the South
>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
>>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian
>>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon
>>> (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate
>>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on
>>> immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for the Syrians
>>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north
>>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking
>>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and
>>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this
>>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority
>>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact
>>> "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social security and
>>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent
>>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>
>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their
>>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>
>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort
>>> itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>
>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to
>>> see American politicians act this poorly.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall
>>> <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>>
>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>>
>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of
>>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this
>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather
>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they
>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to
>>>> win.  Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and
>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
>>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>>
>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>>
>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
>>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>>
>>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
>>>> politicians act this poorly.
>>>>
>>>> 2 cents
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up
>>>>> front.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The
>>>>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this
>>>>> process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be
>>>>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then
>>>>> adjustments get made.  The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him,
>>>>> gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever 
>>>>> way
>>>>> that takes) will get people’s attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.
>>>>> Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.
>>>>> There IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.
>>>>> Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for
>>>>> everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in
>>>>> so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that
>>>>> isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But,
>>>>> I *still believe in America* and its strength and there is been
>>>>> absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its
>>>>> strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an
>>>>> unprecedented level historically.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say
>>>>> fucking idiot..oh yes I did
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

d by a state school.
>>>>
>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
>>>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>
>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
>>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>>>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>>>
>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>>
>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>>>     why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>>
>>>>         BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>>> logical conversation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><
>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>>>>
>>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
>>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>>
>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
>>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
>>>> africa his motivation  was the same as all the South
>>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
>>>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian
>>>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon
>>>> (early 1900's)
>>>>
>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate
>>>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on
>>>> immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for the Syrians
>>>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north
>>>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking
>>>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and
>>>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this
>>>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority
>>>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact
>>>> "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social securi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

d couldn't give a shit
>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>>> things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>> logical conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>         Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>     <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>>>
>>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
>>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
>>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
>>> africa his motivation  was the same as all the South
>>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
>>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian
>>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon
>>> (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate
>>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on
>>> immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for the Syrians
>>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north
>>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking
>>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and
>>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this
>>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority
>>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact
>>> "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social security and
>>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent
>>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>
>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their
>>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>
>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort
>>> itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>
>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to
>>> see American politicians act this poorly.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

omputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>     Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
>> Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
>> to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
>>
>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
>> one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
>> africa his motivation  was the same as all the South
>> Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
>> most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian
>> because at that time the Italians were looked down upon
>> (early 1900's)
>>
>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate
>> behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on
>> immigrants.  Those who have no compassion for the Syrians
>> fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north
>> for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>
>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking
>> proud of being a progressive liberal - im so sick and
>> tired of the agenda of this country being driven by this
>> damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority
>> because they have to gerrymander districts and enact
>> "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social security and
>> Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent
>> the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>
>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their
>> policies and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>
>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>
>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort
>> itself into a million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>
>> America is already fucking great!
>>
>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to
>> see American politicians act this poorly.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall
>> <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this
>> disclaimer up front.
>>
>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.
>>  The negotiation is just that… a negotiation.  IF he
>> gets in, and starts this process and is bound and
>> determined to make it happen, extremities can be
>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the
>> bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a
>> wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started,
>> and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever
>> way that takes) will get people’s attention.
>>
>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?
>>Of course not.  Is it helpful and one part of the
>> total solution needed?   absolutely.  There IS NO
>> border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a
>> façade.  Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The implication is that culture matters more than you might think.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/7/2016 11:05 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
student and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 
http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

* Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
* United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
* United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
* United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
----------------
*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
one liked Italians.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jay Weekley

Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
student and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 
http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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------------
*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
africa his motivation was the same as all the So

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jay Weekley


Tooele AND Oquirrh?

Chuck McCown wrote:
Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and 
Oquirrh.  Can’t do it, can’t vote.

(At least I don’t live in Mantua...)
*From:* Sean Heskett <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3
It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are 
Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.
In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter 
participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the 
people get to elect who they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of 
any fraud.
Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards 
voting.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com 
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:


I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do
they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have
a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or
any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your
hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only
reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to
keep your liberals in power.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in
citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of
Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right
to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or
not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting
because we're all racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and
they're just fine with that.



-
Mike Hammett
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


*From: *"Mathew Howard"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>
        *To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
        *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick
google tells me they require one of the following:

  * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
Public Safety (DPS)
  * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  * United States military identification card containing
the person’s photograph
  * United States citizenship certificate containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I
don't really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID
card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary
documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate
to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about
requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be
eligible to vote.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Back a hunnert years or so ago, the guvmnt came to Utah, confiscated all the 
property of the rascally Mormon church and generally set up martial law.  

One of the requirements for Utah to get into the union was to ensure that there 
was an equal two party system here.  So, Brigham Young had the local bishops 
draw a line down the middle of the congregation and told those on the left they 
were to be Democrats and those on the right Republicans.  

Since that time, folks have slid over on the pews such that there are very few 
sitting on the left...


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

+1.

California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander away a 
couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the belief was 
that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced.

Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more democratic. 
I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they gerrymandered. They're 
still trying to figure out how that happened, but it's pretty clear that the 
new districts are much more sane in the way they are  drawn.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. 
Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides 
suck because of it.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

  As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID 
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh 
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs 
money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't 
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

  Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?!

  -Sean


  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the 
most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
conversation. 




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
    To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked 
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the 
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because 
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade 
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were 
looked down upon (early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" 
mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have no 
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating 
north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerry

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


Nor should you trust any politician whose lips move.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/7/2016 10:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning 
theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a 
grinning mexican, ever


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


Hahaha. Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more
people voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I
think the same caucus is active in Philadelphia also.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.

*From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM

*To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what
I said applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I
particularly care about voter ID laws one way or the other... but
I do think a lot of people that vote don't take it as seriously as
they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making people
actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they
actually do have the right to vote).

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states
that used to be Mexico.

*From:*Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM

    *To:*af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens
of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent,
they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do,
whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know
anyone that thinks otherwise.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because
we're all racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and
they're just fine with that.



-
Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
    <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
    *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick
google tells me they require one of the following:

  * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
Public Safety (DPS)
  * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  * United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States citizenship certificate containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card
completely free if you can't pay for the necessary
documentation. But as far as requiring a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from
losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up
the sleeping giant.

On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in
office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both
sides do it. Both sides suck because of it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
    
------------
*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive att

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student
and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 

http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:
>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigr

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Josh Reynolds

Hahahahaha

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning
> theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning
> mexican, ever
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hahaha.  Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more people
>> voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I think the same
>> caucus is active in Philadelphia also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM
>>
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said
>> applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about
>> voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that
>> vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything
>> wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as
>> proving they actually do have the right to vote).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used
>> to be Mexico.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
>>
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and Oquirrh.  Can’t 
do it, can’t vote.  
(At least I don’t live in Mantua...)

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3 

It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are Americans 
that are ok with making it harder to vote.

In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter participation 
is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people get to elect who 
they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud.

Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards voting.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>
  To: "af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
to Mexico - WSJ

  While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
they require one of the following:

a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
g.. United States passport
  Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

  here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there 
is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote.

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a 
lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll 
tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to 
produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license 
but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state 
school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. 
Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

  "conservative minority" HAH!

  Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while 
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Josh Reynolds

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/04/02/1643249/how-to-hack-an-election

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3
>
> It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are
> Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.
>
> In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter
> participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people
> get to elect who they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud.
>
> Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards
> voting.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>>> fine with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>>
>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
>>>> me they require one of the following:
>>>>
>>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>>- United States military identification card containing the
>>>>person’s photograph
>>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>>photograph
>>>>- United States passport
>>>>
>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>>
>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3

It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are
Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.

In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter
participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people
get to elect who they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud.

Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards
voting.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:

> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists becau

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning
theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning
mexican, ever

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> Hahaha.  Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more people
> voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I think the same
> caucus is active in Philadelphia also.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM
>
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said
> applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about
> voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that
> vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything
> wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as
> proving they actually do have the right to vote).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used
> to be Mexico.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
>
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
> otherwise.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine
> with that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirk

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their
> power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant.
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
>> suck because of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Rory Conaway

Hahaha.  Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more people voted 
for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I think the same caucus is 
active in Philadelphia also.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.

From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM
To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said 
applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about voter 
ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that vote don't 
take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making 
people actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they actually do 
have the right to vote).

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to be 
Mexico.

From: Mathew Howard<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... 
but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every 
bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or 
not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with 
that.

-
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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ
While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they 
require one of the following:

  *   Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
  *   Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  *   Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  *   Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  *   United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph
  *   United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
  *   United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.
here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a 
process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but i

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their
power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant.
On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
> suck because of it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
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> --------------
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>
> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot
> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the
> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
> issued by a state school.
>
> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
> America great?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>
>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed
>> a minority fight for or against most things.
>>
>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>> illegal immigration.
>>
>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>
>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>> most important thing be any different?
>>
>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>> conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>
>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>
>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate be

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Ken Hohhof

Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said 
applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about voter 
ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that vote don't 
take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making 
people actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they actually do 
have the right to vote).

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to 
be Mexico.  

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine 
with that.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
they require one of the following:

  a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety 
(DPS) 
  b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
  c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
  d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
  e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
  f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
  g.. United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there 
is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

  The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

  As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a 
lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll 
tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to 
produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license 
but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state 
school.

  Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?!

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while 
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should 
the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
conversation. 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

--

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican Americans
from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all kinds
of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the students at
Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in California to
fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold them to
register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess
he did something rightha
On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine
with that.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>

<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
--
*From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
*To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
they require one of the following:

   - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
   (DPS)
   - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
   - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
   - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
   - United States military identification card containing the person’s
   photograph
   - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
   photograph
   - United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
citizen to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>
> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot
> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the
> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
> issued by a state school.
>
> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
> America great?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>
>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed
>> a minority fight for or against most things.
>>
>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>> illegal immigration.
>>
>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>
>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>> most important thing be any different?
>>
>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>> conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said
applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about
voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that
vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything
wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as
proving they actually do have the right to vote).

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used
> to be Mexico.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
> otherwise.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>> anything inconsistent there.
>>
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>>> issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>>> America great?!?!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
> otherwise.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>> anything inconsistent there.
>>
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>>> issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>>> America great?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>>
>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used to be 
Mexico.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... 
but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every 
bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or 
not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine 
with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
  To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they 
require one of the following:

a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety 
(DPS) 
b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
g.. United States passport
  Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

  here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is 
a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote.

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot 
of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter 
ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  
Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce 
costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you 
can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  "conservative minority" HAH!

  Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed 
a minority fight for or against most things.

  "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

  If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

  You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the 
most important thing be any different?

  BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
conversation. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

      From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
to Mexico - WSJ

  "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 

  My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked 
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the 
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because 
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade 
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were 
looked down upon (early 1900's)

  Totally shameful that everyone has

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

We've been voting for 250 years without theses laws and there has been
little to no fraud in person voter fraud.  After Obama won all the
conservatives enacted voter ID laws that suppress...wait for it...the
student and poor vote.

If they really were trying to get rid of voter fraud they would focus the
laws on absentee ballots where there is known fraud...but that would
suppress the elderly vote and they tend to vote for republicans :-/

It will be decided in the courts but we will have to go thru a couple
rounds of voting with these laws on the books.

If you can't beat em...change the rules!  That's what will happen at the
republican convention.  Rule 40 is gonna go bye bye...but it's their party
so they can do what they want as a private org.

2 cents

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:
>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtu

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I said Mexicans and put it in quotes because opponents think we're all racists 
that call everyone brown Mexican. Yes, some do, most don't. 

My wife is Filipino. She's just as much Mexican as many given that she's brown 
and her ancestors were conquered by the Spanish, adopting Christianity, a 
Spanish based language, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:39:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 


Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of Mexico)... 
but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously have every 
bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or 
not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 



On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. 

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with 
that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
To: "af" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 



While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they 
require one of the following: 

* Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety 
(DPS) 
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
* United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
* United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph 
* United States passport 

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there. 

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a 
process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote. 



On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 


The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win. 


As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID 
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh 
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs 
money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't 
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. 


Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?! 


-Sean 


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




"conservative minority" HAH! 

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things. 

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal 
immigration. 

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they 
sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. 

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most 
important thing be any different? 

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 


My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. 
Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the 
South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the 
illegal immigrants are forms Countrie

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
otherwise.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine
> with that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------------------
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist. 

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine with 
that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 



While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me they 
require one of the following: 

* Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety 
(DPS) 
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
* United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
* United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph 
* United States passport 

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there. 

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is a 
process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote. 



On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 


The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win. 


As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID 
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh 
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs 
money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't 
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. 


Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?! 


-Sean 


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




"conservative minority" HAH! 

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things. 

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal 
immigration. 

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they 
sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. 

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most 
important thing be any different? 

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 


My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. 
Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the 
South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the 
illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my 
grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked 
down upon (early 1900's) 


Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. 
America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for 
the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a 
better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. 


As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander 
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and 
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and 
poor from dying on the streets. 


I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric 
have no place in a "civilized"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
they require one of the following:

   - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
   (DPS)
   - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
   - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
   - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
   - United States military identification card containing the person’s
   photograph
   - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
   photograph
   - United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
citizen to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>
> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot
> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the
> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
> issued by a state school.
>
> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
> America great?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>
>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed
>> a minority fight for or against most things.
>>
>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>> illegal immigration.
>>
>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>
>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>> most important thing be any different?
>>
>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>> conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>
>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>
>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>
>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I sai

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. 
Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides 
suck because of it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win. 


As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID 
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh 
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs 
money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't 
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school. 


Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?! 


-Sean 


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




"conservative minority" HAH! 

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things. 

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal 
immigration. 

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they 
sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. 

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most 
important thing be any different? 

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 


My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. 
Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the 
South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the 
illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my 
grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked 
down upon (early 1900's) 


Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. 
America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for 
the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a 
better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. 


As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander 
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and 
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and 
poor from dying on the streets. 


I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric 
have no place in a "civilized" society. 


What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? 


I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million 
pieces...you reap what you sow. 


America is already fucking great! 


Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American 
politicians act this poorly. 


2 cents 


-Sean 

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. 

However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just 
that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and 
determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there 
as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall 
WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to 
feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. 

Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it 
helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO 
border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
conservative "republican" could ever win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot
of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
"poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
America great?!?!

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> "conservative minority" HAH!
>
> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed
> a minority fight for or against most things.
>
> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
> illegal immigration.
>
> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>
> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
> most important thing be any different?
>
> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
> conversation.
>
>
>
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> --------------
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>>
> *To: *af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
> non-issue...PERIOD!
>
> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>
> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>
> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a
> progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to
> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social
> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the
> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>
> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>
> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>
> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>
> America is already fucking great!
>
> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
> politicians act this poorly.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net');>> wrote:
>
>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>>
>>
>>
>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The n

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Glen Waldrop

Agreed.

At this point all it is doing is alienating people.

No one is changing their mind.

I haven’t followed this one very much but most of the rest quickly turn 
personal and cost people respect.

There are some discussions, but mostly there are arguments. Both sides are just 
digging in their heels. Not worth it guys.



From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 8:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Maybe use POL instead of OT and I will just filter all of it to my Trash. 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  Threaded mail clients FTW?!




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot 
topic right now.

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from 
experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this 
list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has 
turned into a political war zone.. 

This political rhetoric sucks!

Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  Well stated.

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked 
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the 
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because 
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade 
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were 
looked down upon (early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" 
mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have no 
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating 
north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of 
being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this 
country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see 
their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to 
gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social 
security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, 
sick and poor from dying on the streets.

I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and 
rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.  

What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?

I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a 
million pieces...you reap what you sow.

America is already fucking great!  

Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American 
politicians act this poorly.

2 cents

-Sean  

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up 
front.



  However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The 
negotiation is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this 
process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be 
discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments 
get made.  The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, 
and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get 
people’s attention.  



  Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  
Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There 
IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is 
crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s 
benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas 
and nobody seems to have the gonad

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Erich Kaiser

Yeah but there may be other OT stuff I want to read?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It comes and goes...
> Thus the big ol “OT” in the subject line.  That is your cue to not read...
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from
> experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to
> this list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it
> has turned into a political war zone..
>
> This political rhetoric sucks!
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Well stated.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico)
>>> He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the
>>> Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being
>>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
>>> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to
>>> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social
>>> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the
>>> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>
>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>
>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>
>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
>>> politicians act this poorly.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation
>>>> is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
>>>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
>>>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
>>>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
>>>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
>>>> people’s attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is
>>>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There
>>>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
>>>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
>>>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
>>>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

It comes and goes...
Thus the big ol “OT” in the subject line.  That is your cue to not read...

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from 
experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this 
list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has 
turned into a political war zone.. 

This political rhetoric sucks!

Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  Well stated.

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked 
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the 
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because 
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade 
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were 
looked down upon (early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" 
mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have no 
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating 
north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander 
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social security and 
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and 
poor from dying on the streets.

I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and 
rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.  

What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?

I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million 
pieces...you reap what you sow.

America is already fucking great!  

Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American 
politicians act this poorly.

2 cents

-Sean  

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.

  However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation 
is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is 
bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown 
out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.  The point 
of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico 
start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s 
attention.  

  Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is 
it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There IS 
NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is crude 
and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, 
including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and 
nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or 
politics or corruption or power or all of the above.

  I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But, I 
still believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing 
done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution 
and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically.

  Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”

  Paul

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking 
idiot..oh yes I did 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Erich Kaiser

Maybe use POL instead of OT and I will just filter all of it to my Trash.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Threaded mail clients FTW?!
>
>
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> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot
> topic right now.
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from
>> experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to
>> this list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it
>> has turned into a political war zone..
>>
>> This political rhetoric sucks!
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well stated.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>>
>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>>
>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of
>>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this
>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather
>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they
>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to
>>>> win.  Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and
>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
>>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>>
>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>>
>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
>>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>>
>>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
>>>> politicians act this poorly.
>>>>
>>>> 2 cents
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Threaded mail clients FTW?! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 

It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot topic 
right now. 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > wrote: 



I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from 
experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to this 
list? This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it has turned 
into a political war zone.. 









This political rhetoric sucks! 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower 
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291 



On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 


Well stated. 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 


"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 


My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. 
Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the 
South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the 
illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my 
grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked 
down upon (early 1900's) 


Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. 
America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for 
the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a 
better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. 


As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander 
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and 
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and 
poor from dying on the streets. 


I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric 
have no place in a "civilized" society. 


What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? 


I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million 
pieces...you reap what you sow. 


America is already fucking great! 


Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American 
politicians act this poorly. 


2 cents 


-Sean 

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. 

However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just 
that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and 
determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there 
as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall 
WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to 
feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. 

Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it 
helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO 
border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I 
wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including 
himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and nobody seems 
to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or 
corruption or power or all of the above. 

I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I still 
believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing done 
in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution and 
division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically. 

Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” 

Paul 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico 
- WSJ 

What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking 
idiot..oh yes I did 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jason McKemie

It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot
topic right now.

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from
> experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to
> this list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it
> has turned into a political war zone..
>
> This political rhetoric sucks!
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> 
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Well stated.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett > > wrote:
>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being
>>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
>>> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to
>>> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social
>>> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the
>>> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>
>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>
>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>
>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
>>> politicians act this poorly.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>
 Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.

 However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation
 is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
 bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
 thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
 The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
 having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
 people’s attention.

 Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is
 it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There
 IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
 crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
 benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
 areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
 in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.

 I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But, I 
 *still
 believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely
 nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only
 further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented
 level historically.

 Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”

 Paul

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
 to Mexico - WSJ

 What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking
 idiot..oh yes I did

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"conservative minority" HAH! 

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things. 

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and illegal 
immigration. 

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, they 
sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. 

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the most 
important thing be any different? 

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical conversation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ 

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 


My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked Italians. 
Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the same as all the 
South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because most of the 
illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade my 
grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were looked 
down upon (early 1900's) 


Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" mentality. 
America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have no compassion for 
the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating north for a 
better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. 


As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander 
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. Social security and 
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the old, sick and 
poor from dying on the streets. 


I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and rhetoric 
have no place in a "civilized" society. 


What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? 


I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million 
pieces...you reap what you sow. 


America is already fucking great! 


Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American 
politicians act this poorly. 


2 cents 


-Sean 

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. 

However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation is just 
that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and is bound and 
determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there 
as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made. The point of a wall 
WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and having Mexico start to 
feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get people’s attention. 

Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is it 
helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. There IS NO 
border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. Trump is crude and I 
wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s benefit, including 
himself), but this country needs action in so, so many areas and nobody seems 
to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried in PC or politics or 
corruption or power or all of the above. 

I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I still 
believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing done 
in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further dilution and 
division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level historically. 

Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” 

Paul 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico 
- WSJ 

What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking 
idiot..oh yes I did 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jason McKemie

Well stated.

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
> non-issue...PERIOD!
>
> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>
> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>
> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a
> progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to
> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social
> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the
> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>
> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>
> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>
> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>
> America is already fucking great!
>
> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
> politicians act this poorly.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall  > wrote:
>
>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>>
>>
>>
>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation
>> is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
>> people’s attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is
>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There
>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
>>
>>
>>
>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But, I 
>> *still
>> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely
>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only
>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented
>> level historically.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
>> to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking
>> idiot..oh yes I did
>>
>>
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to
gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social
security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the
old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.

I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.

What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?

I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a million
pieces...you reap what you sow.

America is already fucking great!

Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
politicians act this poorly.

2 cents

-Sean

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>
>
>
> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation is
> just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
> people’s attention.
>
>
>
> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is it
> helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There IS
> NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
>
>
>
> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But, I *still
> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely nothing
> done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only further
> dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented level
> historically.
>
>
>
> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
> Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to
> Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking
> idiot..oh yes I did
>
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-06 Thread Jeremy

As far as Israel's wall working, I think that Sec.-Lt Hadar Goldin, Maj.
Benaya Sarel, and St.-Sgt. Liel Gidoni would beg to differ.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Why not study Isreal. I think they have a wall and i think they believe it
> works.  Obviously a lot shorter than our border but the premise is the
> same. I think Russia built a short wall that worked well for a while in
> Germany somewhere. I am not saying a wall is the solution,  just that there
> are modem examples of them doing so.
>
> I think I'd you shoot everyone who cruised when their foot hit the dirt on
> the US side it would probably deter a lot of people.  I doubt that would be
> acceptable though.  But again,  i thought we were discussing things that
> would work.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 11:49 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The saddest part Paul is that many including Trump slept through history
>> class.   How much money have we spent on drug war and building the Tortilla
>> Curtain?   Millions?  Billions?   Do you remember a feeble attempt to put
>> righteous religious beliefs of a few and hope to stop people from drinking
>> adult beverages?  Hell not only did it not work...it allowed another
>> industry to flourish..organized crime  If American companies, ranchers
>> and farmers didn't hire illegal immigrants they would go home, of course
>> not before they sold drugs and raped all our women according to chicken
>> shit Trump  if our American youth didn't crave and buy drugs the
>> cartels would find new markets.There is no simple solution to
>> immigration. many Americans don't want to work in hot sun and fields at
>> even 15.00 an hour.   Many Americans don't want to work in highway
>> construction either so companies hire those who want to work including
>> Trump...visit his place in Vegas...a wall will not work...it is like
>> spitting at Heaven. Study about Hannibal, Wall of China,  Navarrone,
>> etc.If someone needs to get over or through it, they will.  I stand by
>> what I wrote...Trump is a fucking idiot.
>> On Apr 6, 2016 9:44 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You are dead on.  I don’t know what Trump will do.  I do know what
>>> Hillary and Cruz will do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation
>>> is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
>>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
>>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
>>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
>>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
>>> people’s attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is
>>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There
>>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
>>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
>>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
>>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
>>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But, I 
>>> *still
>>> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely
>>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only
>>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented
>>> level historically.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
>>> to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking
>>> idiot..oh yes I did
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Yes back when you and I were pups in school we learned about atrocities
done by conquistadores and yes some zealous Franciscan monks they
sanitize it down now in history books...if are a native American,  Columbus
and the rest that followed are exactly heroes in their eyes...same for
Pilgrims in east and later expansion west by Americanshell we still
treat them poorly in many areaswe practically eradicated themthis
is not taught in depth anymore.
On Apr 6, 2016 7:18 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Now Jaimie, you really don't believe that Texas is the only ones to state
> that Columbus discovered the Americasdo you?  I don't think sesame Street
> was produced in Texas. I think you need to adjust you bias a tad. I went to
> school here and was educated to great extent on the ravages the Spanish
> wrought on the new world.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:56 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Back when folks were celebrating 500th year since Columbus invaded.. oops
>> sorry Texas Board of Education... I meant Discovered America, a friend of
>> mind wrote an editorial about the oxymoron play on celebrating tragic
>> discovery.  It open New World to Europe at expense and almost total
>> annihilation of natives already here for thousands of years.   So our
>> ancestors from Europe were invaders much more than explorers.  I guess we
>> feel Mexicans and
>> Others are invadersinteresting...
>>
>> n Apr 6, 2016 11:33 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol
>> resources can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a
>> production facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art,
>> highly efficient assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history
>> books or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of
>> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese
>> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which
>> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize
>> it.   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the
>> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things
>> upChief Pocasganas..
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the
>> moral compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians
>> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting
>> for is simply an embarrassment.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rory
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
>> >>> To: af <af@afmug.com>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread
>> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Mathew Howard
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
>> >>>
>> >>> To: af
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing
>> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem
>> pretty happy with Putin.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think
>> happens if the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked
>> to cu

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Now Jaimie, you really don't believe that Texas is the only ones to state
that Columbus discovered the Americasdo you?  I don't think sesame Street
was produced in Texas. I think you need to adjust you bias a tad. I went to
school here and was educated to great extent on the ravages the Spanish
wrought on the new world.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:56 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Back when folks were celebrating 500th year since Columbus invaded.. oops
> sorry Texas Board of Education... I meant Discovered America, a friend of
> mind wrote an editorial about the oxymoron play on celebrating tragic
> discovery.  It open New World to Europe at expense and almost total
> annihilation of natives already here for thousands of years.   So our
> ancestors from Europe were invaders much more than explorers.  I guess we
> feel Mexicans and
> Others are invadersinteresting...
>
> n Apr 6, 2016 11:33 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol
> resources can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a
> production facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art,
> highly efficient assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history
> books or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of
> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese
> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which
> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize
> it.   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the
> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things
> upChief Pocasganas..
> >>
> >> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the
> moral compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians
> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting
> for is simply an embarrassment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rory
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
> >>> To: af <af@afmug.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread
> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Mathew Howard
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
> >>>
> >>> To: af
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing
> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem
> pretty happy with Putin.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think
> happens if the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked
> to cut back further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how
> many yachts he owns?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rory
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
> >>>> To: af <af@afmug.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> But... why?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On the Putin issue, a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I agree...we are not perfect but still best place to live for me.  But I
hear Denmark is cool place...
On Apr 6, 2016 7:11 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And yet stopped the axis of evil. America was never all good or all bad
> nor will, hopefully,will it ever be.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:29 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history books
>> or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of
>> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese
>> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which
>> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize
>> it.   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the
>> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things
>> upChief Pocasganas..
>> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the
>>> moral compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians
>>> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting
>>> for is simply an embarrassment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread
>>> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing
>>> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem
>>> pretty happy with Putin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens
>>> if the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut
>>> back further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many
>>> yachts he owns?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But... why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to
>>> the public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
>>> to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
>>> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
>>> admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
>>> tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
>>> credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
>>> than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
>>> going to be insulated from those financial transactions.   Even so don't
>>> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped..
>>>
>>> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> > Because it's ver

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

And yet stopped the axis of evil. America was never all good or all bad nor
will, hopefully,will it ever be.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 12:29 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history books
> or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of
> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese
> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which
> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize
> it.   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the
> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things
> upChief Pocasganas..
> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the
>> moral compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians
>> today and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting
>> for is simply an embarrassment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread
>> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
>>
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing
>> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem
>> pretty happy with Putin.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens if
>> the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut
>> back further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many
>> yachts he owns?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> But... why?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the
>> public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
>> to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
>> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
>> admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
>> tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
>> credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
>> than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
>> going to be insulated from those financial transactions.   Even so don't
>> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped..
>>
>> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior
>> > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P
>> >
>> > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going
>> > through right now (and good for them, btw).
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this
>> information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin.
>> >>
>> >> Rory
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I am voting for the cookie monster from sesame Street as he makes a lot
more sense and had the best foreign policy experience.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 11:53 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I am rooting for Bernie.  I am not a democrat or a socialist, but I can
> live with an unapologetic one for the next 4 years instead of the others.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens if
> the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut
> back further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many
> yachts he owns?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> But... why?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the
> public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
> to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
> admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
> tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
> credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
> than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
> going to be insulated from those financial transactions.   Even so don't
> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped..
>
> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior
> > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P
> >
> > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going
> > through right now (and good for them, btw).
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
> >> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this
> information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin.
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:43 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
> >>
> >> I am incredibly interested to see if Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and/or
> Hillary Clinton / Clinton Foundation have bits about them in the Panama
> Papers. That could have a very interesting and lasting impact on this
> election.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
> >>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up
> front.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The
> >>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts
> >>> this process and is bound and determined to make it happen,
> >>> extremities can be discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the
> bow), and then adjustments get made.
> >>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started,
> >>> and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that
> >>> takes) will get people’s attention.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.
> Is it
> >>> helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.
> There IS
> >>> NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.
> >>> Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for
> >>> everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs
> >>> action in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to
> >&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Why not study Isreal. I think they have a wall and i think they believe it
works.  Obviously a lot shorter than our border but the premise is the
same. I think Russia built a short wall that worked well for a while in
Germany somewhere. I am not saying a wall is the solution,  just that there
are modem examples of them doing so.

I think I'd you shoot everyone who cruised when their foot hit the dirt on
the US side it would probably deter a lot of people.  I doubt that would be
acceptable though.  But again,  i thought we were discussing things that
would work.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016, 11:49 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The saddest part Paul is that many including Trump slept through history
> class.   How much money have we spent on drug war and building the Tortilla
> Curtain?   Millions?  Billions?   Do you remember a feeble attempt to put
> righteous religious beliefs of a few and hope to stop people from drinking
> adult beverages?  Hell not only did it not work...it allowed another
> industry to flourish..organized crime  If American companies, ranchers
> and farmers didn't hire illegal immigrants they would go home, of course
> not before they sold drugs and raped all our women according to chicken
> shit Trump  if our American youth didn't crave and buy drugs the
> cartels would find new markets.There is no simple solution to
> immigration. many Americans don't want to work in hot sun and fields at
> even 15.00 an hour.   Many Americans don't want to work in highway
> construction either so companies hire those who want to work including
> Trump...visit his place in Vegas...a wall will not work...it is like
> spitting at Heaven. Study about Hannibal, Wall of China,  Navarrone,
> etc.If someone needs to get over or through it, they will.  I stand by
> what I wrote...Trump is a fucking idiot.
> On Apr 6, 2016 9:44 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
>> You are dead on.  I don’t know what Trump will do.  I do know what
>> Hillary and Cruz will do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>>
>>
>>
>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation
>> is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
>> people’s attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is
>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There
>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
>> in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above.
>>
>>
>>
>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject.  But, I 
>> *still
>> believe in America* and its strength and there is been absolutely
>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only
>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented
>> level historically.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan”
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
>> to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> What a fucking idiot ideafrom a fucking idiot did I say fucking
>> idiot..oh yes I did
>>
>>
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

They won't eat Mexicanstoo damn spicy from jalapenoes and
Tequila.will give them heartburnplus in El Paso, the water rarely
hits Rio; diverted to American Canal System which is designed to move water
fast and drowned 12 first year it was opened.   Now Border Patrol has
safety lines and life savers strategically located. Believe it or not,
they are human...(read that as you wish)

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Administrator <wirel...@htn.net>
wrote:

> Why not just stock the Rio Grande River with alligators.  Game over I
> win…….
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol
> resources can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a
> production facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art,
> highly efficient assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history books
> or did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of
> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese
> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which
> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize
> it.   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the
> ocean to keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things
> upChief Pocasganas..
>
> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the moral
> compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians today
> and the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting for
> is simply an embarrassment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread
> democracy) it seems to end much worse than before we started.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
>
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing
> Russia doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem
> pretty happy with Putin.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens if
> the general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut
> back further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many
> yachts he owns?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> But... why?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the
> public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
> to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
> admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
> tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
> credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
> than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
> going to be insulated from those financial transactions.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-06 Thread Wireless Administrator

Why not just stock the Rio Grande River with alligators.  Game over I win…….

Steve B.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

If physical control of the border is obtained, ICE and border patrol resources 
can be shifted to immingration and naturalization service. In a production 
facility, you would be ignorant to build a state of the art, highly efficient 
assembly plant, if there are no doors or roof

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history books or did 
you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of EducationWe were 
still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese Americans in camps, we 
invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which was really legalized 
slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize it.   I know many want to 
and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the ocean to keep them pesky 
Europeans from coming here and fucking things upChief Pocasganas.. 

On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the moral 
compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians today and 
the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting for is simply 
an embarrassment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread democracy) 
it seems to end much worse than before we started.  

From: Mathew Howard <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM

To: af <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing Russia 
doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem pretty happy 
with Putin.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens if the 
general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut back 
further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many yachts he 
owns?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

But... why?

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the 
public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
going to be insulated from those financial transactions.   Even so don't
forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped..

On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior
> intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P
>
> Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going
> through right now (and good for them, btw).
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this 
>> information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:43 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> I am incredibly interested to see if Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and/or Hillary 
>> Clinton / Clinton Foundation have bits about them in the Panama Papers. That 
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-06 Thread Dan Petermann

Everything you mentioned below was perpetrated by the democrat party. 

Jim Crow laws were created and enforced by the democrat party.

Japanese camps - Executive order from President Roosevelt (D)

Bracero Program - Executive order from President Roosevelt (D)

Democrats controlled both the house and senate for 6 years before and 2 years 
after WWII. 



On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history books or 
> did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of 
> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese 
> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which 
> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize it. 
>   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the ocean to 
> keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things upChief 
> Pocasganas..
> 
> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the moral 
> compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians today and 
> the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting for is 
> simply an embarrassment.
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
> To: af <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
>  
> 
> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread democracy) 
> it seems to end much worse than before we started. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mathew Howard
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
> 
> To: af
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
>  
> 
> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing Russia 
> doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem pretty happy 
> with Putin.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens if the 
> general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut back 
> further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many yachts he 
> owns?
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
> To: af <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
>  
> 
> But... why?
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the 
> public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.
> 
> Rory
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
> admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
> tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
> credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
> than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
> going to be insulated from those financial transactions.   Even so don't
> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped..
> 
> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior
> > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P
> >
> > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going
> > through right now (and good for them, btw).
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> 
> > wrote:
> >> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this 
> >> information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin.
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:43 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ