Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business DID's. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve wrote: > Which VOIP provider do you use? I seem to recall at a show couple years > ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also > provide the server. I can't recall some of their names. > > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend? >
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
What do they provide to you? Are the servers/pbx in your NOC? Support? - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:43:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business DID's. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve wrote: > Which VOIP provider do you use? I seem to recall at a show couple years > ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also > provide the server. I can't recall some of their names. > > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend? >
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Quick question - For those of you on this list who currently have a voip provider, if you could hit me up off list with what your current rates are, it would be greatly appreciated. Our VOIP provider is a personal friend, and has distributed switching centers in several major US markets. He/We are considering rolling out a portal platform for ISP, but we need a better idea of what people are currently being charged so that we can make it as competitive as possible. This is *strictly* research right now, we are not ready to offer a product yet. Thank you On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Steve wrote: > Which VOIP provider do you use? I seem to recall at a show couple years ago > some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also provide > the server. I can't recall some of their names. > > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Can you clarify what kind of VOIP Provider you are looking for? Do you want a SIP trunk provider with origination and/or termination plus backoffice like DIDs and number porting? And you will provide your own Asterisk box or other PBX? This type of service will usually be priced $X/month per DID plus $Y per minute for origination and termination based on some rate deck. Plus maybe some one-time fees for things like number porting and directory listings. Or do you want a hosted virtual PBX that you just brand and resell? You might be able to find this for a flat rate per month for unlimited domestic calling, subject to some restrictions about call centers. And do you want business hosted PBX service to resell, or just residential single lines? -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Quick question - For those of you on this list who currently have a voip provider, if you could hit me up off list with what your current rates are, it would be greatly appreciated. Our VOIP provider is a personal friend, and has distributed switching centers in several major US markets. He/We are considering rolling out a portal platform for ISP, but we need a better idea of what people are currently being charged so that we can make it as competitive as possible. This is *strictly* research right now, we are not ready to offer a product yet. Thank you On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Steve wrote: Which VOIP provider do you use? I seem to recall at a show couple years ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also provide the server. I can't recall some of their names. If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
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CTI offers the Netsapiens VOIP in a (cloud based) solution for you. They have all the servers and equipment, basically all you do is log into their web interface and and associate DID's they provide you (after you request them) with SIP enabled devices. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Steve wrote: > What do they provide to you? Are the servers/pbx in your NOC? Support? > > - Original Message - > From: "Kurt Fankhauser" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:43:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right > now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next > couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business > DID's. > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve wrote: > > > Which VOIP provider do you use? I seem to recall at a show couple years > > ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also > > provide the server. I can't recall some of their names. > > > > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend? > > >
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Here I want them to do everything for the most part but we'll host their PBX here so we can pull the records for billing. Most likely just residential. Its just to bundle with cable services (not wireless). - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:26:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Can you clarify what kind of VOIP Provider you are looking for? Do you want a SIP trunk provider with origination and/or termination plus backoffice like DIDs and number porting? And you will provide your own Asterisk box or other PBX? This type of service will usually be priced $X/month per DID plus $Y per minute for origination and termination based on some rate deck. Plus maybe some one-time fees for things like number porting and directory listings. Or do you want a hosted virtual PBX that you just brand and resell? You might be able to find this for a flat rate per month for unlimited domestic calling, subject to some restrictions about call centers. And do you want business hosted PBX service to resell, or just residential single lines? -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Quick question - For those of you on this list who currently have a voip provider, if you could hit me up off list with what your current rates are, it would be greatly appreciated. Our VOIP provider is a personal friend, and has distributed switching centers in several major US markets. He/We are considering rolling out a portal platform for ISP, but we need a better idea of what people are currently being charged so that we can make it as competitive as possible. This is *strictly* research right now, we are not ready to offer a product yet. Thank you On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Steve wrote: > Which VOIP provider do you use? I seem to recall at a show couple years > ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also > provide the server. I can't recall some of their names. > > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I > would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. > > We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. > > So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the subscribers home. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will register to? On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA > in the subscribers home. > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking > about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with > your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? > > What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your > minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an > average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? > > Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I >> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >> >> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >> >> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >> > >
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Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office switch. I will not be using that for this service. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will register to? On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the subscribers home. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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I think Lewis is doing something in voip.. We use sotel as the global provider. On 5/30/2017 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. --
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. > > No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office > switch. > I will not be using that for this service. > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross oversimplification > but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and > ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs > connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to > run your own VoIP server which they will register to? > > > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA >> in the subscribers home. >> >> *From:* Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking >> about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with >> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >> >> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your >> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an >> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >> >> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I >>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>> >>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>> >>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >>> >> >> > >
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OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define
it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the
traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on
optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white
label hosted voip.
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
switch.
I will not be using that for this service.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross oversimplification
but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP
and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually,
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server
which they will register to?
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA in
the subscribers home.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your
own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I recommend going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and pay via credit card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved. Such as voip.ms or a competitor. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually > define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and > run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers > based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually > called white label hosted voip. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office >> switch. >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> *From:* Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one >> side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the >> ATAs connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan >> to run your own VoIP server which they will register to? >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA >>> in the subscribers home. >>> >>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking >>> about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with >>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your >>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an >>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I >>>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out >>>> there. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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Don't VoIP providers typically shy away from non-RBOCs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:44:36 PM Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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Chuck I run my own server but If you don't want to do that I think CTI does a white label? http://www.converge-tech.com/WholesaleVoIP-s/1840.htm I am in no way endorsing this service or any other :) From: Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:56:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I recommend going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and pay via credit card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved. Such as voip.ms<http://voip.ms> or a competitor. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office switch. I will not be using that for this service. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will register to? On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the subscribers home. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service without any overhead. We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com. Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > From: Eric Kuhnke > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually > define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run > the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based > on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called > white label hosted voip. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office >> switch. >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross oversimplification >> but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and >> ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs >> connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to >> run your own VoIP server which they will register to? >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an ATA >>> in the subscribers home. >>> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking >>> about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with >>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your >>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an >>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I >>>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >>> >>> >> >> > >
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I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a company last week. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service without any overhead. We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com. Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > From: Eric Kuhnke > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central >> office switch. >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will >> register to? >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an >>> ATA in the subscribers home. >>> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we >>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in >>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >>> >>> >> >> > >
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I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered > with a company last week. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white > label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you > can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add > VOIP service without any overhead. > > We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you > want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com. > > > > Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner > 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA > > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > > > From: Eric Kuhnke > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would > > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP > > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to > > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What > > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. > > > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> > >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. > >> > >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central > >> office switch. > >> I will not be using that for this service. > >> > >> From: Eric Kuhnke > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM > >> To: af@afmug.com > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > >> > >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross > >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone > >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to > >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service > >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will > register to? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>> > >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an > >>> ATA in the subscribers home. > >>> > >>> From: Eric Kuhnke > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM > >>> To: af@afmug.com > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > >>> > >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we > >>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider > >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? > >>> > >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of > >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they > >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? > >>> > >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. > >>> > >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in > >>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. > >>>> > >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. > >>>> > >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out > there. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >
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CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending on what you want. I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest > plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud > based. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: > >> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered >> with a company last week. >> >> Rory >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white >> label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you >> can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add >> VOIP service without any overhead. >> >> We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you >> want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com. >> >> >> >> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner >> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. >> > >> > From: Eric Kuhnke >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> > >> > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would >> > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP >> > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to >> > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What >> > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. >> > >> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> >> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central >> >> office switch. >> >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross >> >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone >> >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to >> >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service >> >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will >> register to? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an >> >>> ATA in the subscribers home. >> >>> >> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >> >>> To: af@afmug.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >>> >> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we >> >>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider >> >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >> >>> >> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of >> >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they >> >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >> >>> >> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in >> >>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >> >>>> >> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >> >>>> >> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out >> there. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
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NetSapiens does equipment, not service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending on what you want. I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a company last week. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service without any overhead. We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com . Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > From: Eric Kuhnke > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central >> office switch. >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will >> register to? >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an >>> ATA in the subscribers home. >>> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we >>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in >>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >>> >>> >> >> > >
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NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your LATA right? Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am guessing you talked to someone about it today. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > NetSapiens does equipment, not service. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than > some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% > of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your > losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I > would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty > good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better > deal depending on what you want. > > I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit > the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and > one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. > > > > On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >> I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest >> plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud >> based. >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway >> wrote: >> >>> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and >>> partnered with a company last week. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully >>> white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means >>> you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to >>> add VOIP service without any overhead. >>> >>> We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you >>> want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner >>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. >>> > >>> > From: Eric Kuhnke >>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> > >>> > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would >>> > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP >>> > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to >>> > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What >>> > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. >>> > >>> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >>> >> >>> >> No, I already have a
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He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants covered. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your LATA right? Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am guessing you talked to someone about it today. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: NetSapiens does equipment, not service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending on what you want. I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a company last week. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service without any overhead. We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com . Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > From: Eric Kuhnke > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central >> office switch. >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will >> register to? >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>
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Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely understand. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants > covered. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is > no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to > have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then > have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to > something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure > you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are > the only one in your LATA right? > > Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a > voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I > am guessing you talked to someone about it today. > > On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> NetSapiens does equipment, not service. >> >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than >> some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% >> of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your >> losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I >> would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty >> good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better >> deal depending on what you want. >> >> I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit >> the number of devices you support. I choo
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Sorry. That was rude. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:36 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: > Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in > this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's > you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get > those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. > > You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those > numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able > to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they > refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 > which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have > to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. > > In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to > your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. > That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. > > Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't > just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, > ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. > > Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely > understand. > > On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants >> covered. >> >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There >> is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to >> have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then >> have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to >> something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure >> you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are >> the only one in your LATA right? >> >> Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a >> voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I >> am guessing you talked to someone about it today. >> >> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> NetSapiens does equipment, not service. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive >>> than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle >>> 100% of all porting) that can be
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are looking for such ? i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience issue ? We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would > port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. > We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. > So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Happy Birthday Faisal! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On May 31, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > > Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are > looking for such ? > > i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience > issue ? > > We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core > issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would > port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. > > We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. > > So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >
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I read it. Multiple times. I may be a bit rusty on some aspects, but let's break it down. "I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah." Yes, that's the complicated part. He can't just go to any random VoIP provider and expect his area to be covered. Non-RBOCs are inherently difficult to work with on the voice side, so most VoIP providers have skipped those areas. It's entirely possible they have an exemption from porting. The first indication that this may be a difficult prospect is: https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratecenter=EAGLE%20MTN&state=UT There is no one else in that rate center, so it's proven enough of a difficulty where no one has gotten their own allocation from NANPA. "I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider." Not exactly a requirement, but a good rule of thumb is that if a CLEC is present in a rate center that has local calling to that one, you can port the number. http://localcallingguide.com/lca_exch.php?exch=200852 I don't know much about Utah, but I recognize the town of Provo, so I'm going to guess that someone is located in Provo that would be a local call form Cedar Valley. Unfortunately, TelcoData.Us doesn't have the tandem information for Direct Communication's switch, so we can't look up what other rate centers are off of that tandem to provide further clues as to who may be able to port. I didn't read this as he wants to move the entire NPA-NXX to another provider (which there are people that do hosted switches), but that he wanted to port select numbers to the VoIP provider. "We need unlimited LD and solid 911." Shouldn't be difficult. "Would prefer someone local." There are several CLECs listed in Provo, including the regulars of Onvoy, Bandwidth.com, Level 3, etc. so you should be able to find someone somewhere. Your other Utah-area operators should be able to say who they use for VoIP. Then just look for whichever of them has a gateway in the SLC area. They may be hauling back to Seattle or the bay area, both for TDM and for IP so you may be looking for whomever has the gateway in those markets. "So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there." I've heard of the company, but obviously those in Utah can better speak to their capabilities and reliability. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:36:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely understand. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants covered. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your LATA right? Anyway. Call me If you want to talk ab
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Happy Birthday... On Jun 1, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > I read it. Multiple times. I may be a bit rusty on some aspects, but let's > break it down. > > > "I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah." > Yes, that's the complicated part. He can't just go to any random VoIP > provider and expect his area to be covered. Non-RBOCs are inherently > difficult to work with on the voice side, so most VoIP providers have > skipped those areas. It's entirely possible they have an exemption from > porting. The first indication that this may be a difficult prospect is: > https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by- > ratecenter-state?ratecenter=EAGLE%20MTN&state=UT There is no one else in > that rate center, so it's proven enough of a difficulty where no one has > gotten their own allocation from NANPA. > > "I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider." > Not exactly a requirement, but a good rule of thumb is that if a CLEC is > present in a rate center that has local calling to that one, you can port > the number. http://localcallingguide.com/lca_exch.php?exch=200852 I don't > know much about Utah, but I recognize the town of Provo, so I'm going to > guess that someone is located in Provo that would be a local call form > Cedar Valley. Unfortunately, TelcoData.Us doesn't have the tandem > information for Direct Communication's switch, so we can't look up what > other rate centers are off of that tandem to provide further clues as to > who may be able to port. I didn't read this as he wants to move the entire > NPA-NXX to another provider (which there are people that do hosted > switches), but that he wanted to port select numbers to the VoIP provider. > > "We need unlimited LD and solid 911." > Shouldn't be difficult. > > "Would prefer someone local." > There are several CLECs listed in Provo, including the regulars of Onvoy, > Bandwidth.com, Level 3, etc. so you should be able to find someone > somewhere. Your other Utah-area operators should be able to say who they > use for VoIP. Then just look for whichever of them has a gateway in the SLC > area. They may be hauling back to Seattle or the bay area, both for TDM and > for IP so you may be looking for whomever has the gateway in those markets. > > "So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there." > I've heard of the company, but obviously those in Utah can better speak to > their capabilities and reliability. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:36:05 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in > this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's > you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get > those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. > > You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those > numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able > to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they > refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 > which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have > to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. > > In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to > your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. > That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. > > Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't > just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, > ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. > > Ten again maybe your just sick
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
We've been looking at Toly: https://www.tolydigital.net/ https://www.tolydigital.net/products-services/voip-services-get-ahead-of-you r-competition-with-flexible-options/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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We would just be porting, not moving an NXX.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this
specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you.
Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those
NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works.
You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to
a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that,
without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their
right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily
sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit
outside his rate center.
In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your
class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the
easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.
Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just
get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony,
Dialogic. There are so many.
Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely
understand.
On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett wrote:
He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants
covered.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
From: "Lewis Bergman"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to
reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your
LATA right?
Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am
guessing you talked to someone about it today.
On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
NetSapiens does equipment, not service.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Lewis Bergman"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than
some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of
all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing
carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell
you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal.
Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending
on what you want.
I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit
the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one
fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only.
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest
plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based.
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway
wrote:
I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and
partnered with a company last week.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully
white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you
can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP
service without any overhead.
We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you
want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.
Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are looking for such ? i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience issue ? We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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Thanks Jeff. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:40:06 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > Happy Birthday Faisal! > Jeff Broadwick > ConVergence Technologies , Inc. > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On May 31, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > > wrote: >> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are >> looking for such ? >> i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience >> issue ? >> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core >> issue >> you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would >>> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. > Some > of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated > VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are > looking for such ? > i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience > issue ? > We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue > you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM >> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would >> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots. We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are already serving some of our other areas. I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be perfect. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are looking for such ? i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience issue ? We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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Well...Have fun porting 10K numbers. I didn't know anyone would port that many. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > We would just be porting, not moving an NXX. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > > Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in > this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's > you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get > those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. > > You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those > numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able > to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they > refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 > which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have > to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. > > In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to > your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. > That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. > > Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't > just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, > ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. > > Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely > understand. > > On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants >> covered. >> >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There >> is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to >> have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then >> have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to >> something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure >> you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are >> the only one in your LATA right? >> >> Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a >> voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I >> am guessing you talked to someone about it today. >> >> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> NetSapiens does equipment, not service. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM >>> >>
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You still don't understand what's happening here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:17:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Well...Have fun porting 10K numbers. I didn't know anyone would port that many. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: We would just be porting, not moving an NXX. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely understand. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants covered. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your LATA right? Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am guessing you talked to someone about it today. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: NetSapiens does equipment, not service. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending on what you want. I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a company last week. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label as it requires the cus
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I guess that explains why you can't use your equipment or something directly attached. You are looking to segment off for regulatory reasons. Ahhhthe wonderful world of telecom. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:47 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL > tariff. Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we > need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated > equipment. > > *From:* Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you > are looking for such ? > > i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience > issue ? > > We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core > issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working > arrangement. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I > would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. > > > We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. > > So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. > >
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Yes, there is zero technical, engineering or financial reason to do this. 100% regulatory. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I guess that explains why you can't use your equipment or something directly attached. You are looking to segment off for regulatory reasons. Ahhhthe wonderful world of telecom. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:47 AM Chuck McCown wrote: We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are looking for such ? i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience issue ? We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits are taken into account. Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to change. In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control traffic. It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and how to identify them. We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes sense. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots. > We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are already > serving some of our other areas. > I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be > perfect. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. > Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? > Regards. > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. >> Some >> of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated >> VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment. >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are >> looking for such ? >> i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience >> issue ? >> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core >> issue >> you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> From: "Chuck McCown" >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM >>> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would >>> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the
tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort
public routing to the gateway.
But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole
picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits
are taken into account.
Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID
lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.
At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to
change.
In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate,
and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the
actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how
many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the
network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks
like.
Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call
control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the
network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control
traffic.
It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and
how to identify them.
We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes sense.
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots.
We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are
already serving some of our other areas.
I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be
perfect.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..
Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff.
Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non
regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are
looking for such ?
i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience
issue ?
We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core
issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the > tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort > public > routing to the gateway. > But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very > well, > it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the > whole > picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits > are taken into account. > Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID > lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees > along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. > At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 > subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the > flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to > change. > In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be > accurate, > and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the > actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how > many > codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network > connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. > Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the > call > control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the > network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control > traffic. > It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and > how to identify them. > We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes > sense. > Regards > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots. >> We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are already >> serving some of our other areas. >> I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be >> perfect. >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. >> Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-
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Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of connection. If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be jitter or latency. So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem if I can get it. I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>if the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public routing to the gateway. But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits are taken into account. Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to change. In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control traffic. It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and how to identify them. We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes sense. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net ------ From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots. We have a provider that is willing t
Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from POTS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of connection. If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be jitter or latency. So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem if I can get it. I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public routing to the gateway. But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits are taken into account. Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to change. In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control traffic. It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and how to identify them. We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes sense. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or E
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You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service. The SS7 network is as alive and well as ever. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from POTS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of connection. If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be jitter or latency. So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem if I can get it. I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>if the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public routing to the gateway. But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits are taken into account. Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to change. In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control traffic. It has taken a long time to l
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Sure it is, but if it leaves an ILEC, it's probably going VoIP. There's a lot of calls made over cable, cellular, OTT VoIP, etc. that are only old-school for as little as they have to be. There are even fully VoIP-enabled competitive tandems out there explicitly for bypassing legacy tandems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:41:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service. The SS7 network is as alive and well as ever. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from POTS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of connection. If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be jitter or latency. So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem if I can get it. I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public routing to the gateway. But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits are taken into account. Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to change. In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the actual path..
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Well, I am an ILEC and all traffic is via trunks to the tandem. All SS7. We all have NECA meet point billing arrangements and NECA tariffs and the traffic flows over the legacy network so we all get our access payments. If you get a check from NECA or USAC you are probably not doing much VOIP except for a non regulated outbound LD service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Sure it is, but if it leaves an ILEC, it's probably going VoIP. There's a lot of calls made over cable, cellular, OTT VoIP, etc. that are only old-school for as little as they have to be. There are even fully VoIP-enabled competitive tandems out there explicitly for bypassing legacy tandems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:41:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service. The SS7 network is as alive and well as ever. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from POTS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of connection. If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be jitter or latency. So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem if I can get it. I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>if the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public routing to the gateway. But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits are taken into account. Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID
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Right. I specifically mentioned ILECs as an exemption. Few others do. I would imagine more minutes flow through non-legacy at some point than flow through legacy exclusively. That's a pretty safe bet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:47:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Well, I am an ILEC and all traffic is via trunks to the tandem. All SS7. We all have NECA meet point billing arrangements and NECA tariffs and the traffic flows over the legacy network so we all get our access payments. If you get a check from NECA or USAC you are probably not doing much VOIP except for a non regulated outbound LD service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Sure it is, but if it leaves an ILEC, it's probably going VoIP. There's a lot of calls made over cable, cellular, OTT VoIP, etc. that are only old-school for as little as they have to be. There are even fully VoIP-enabled competitive tandems out there explicitly for bypassing legacy tandems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:41:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service. The SS7 network is as alive and well as ever. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from POTS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of connection. If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be jitter or latency. So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem if I can get it. I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high Yes, sort off Explanation:- There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public routing to the gateway. But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. From: Faisal
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Faisal is pretty accurate on the costs. The E911 for each individual subscriber and getting the address registered properly will be a big part of the MRC for each DID, and is something you definitely need to get right so that people don't die. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the > whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum > commits are taken into account. > > Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID > lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & > fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. > > At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs > 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between > doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage > will start to change. > > In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be > accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small > portion of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers > setup, i.e. how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, > and what is the network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or > Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. > > Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the > call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent > on the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call > control traffic. > > It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects > it and how to identify them. > > We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes > sense. > > > Regards > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on > pots. > We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are > already serving some of our other areas. > I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be > perfect. > > *From:* Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. > > Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL > tariff. Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we > need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated > equipment. > > *From:* Faisal Imtiaz > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you > are looking for such ? > > i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience > issue ? > > We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core > issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working > arrangement. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > -- > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I > would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. > > We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. > > So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. > > >
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We would not be doing DIDs. And we collect and pay the E911 fees as well as
keep the MSAG database current for the customers.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Faisal is pretty accurate on the costs. The E911 for each individual subscriber
and getting the address registered properly will be a big part of the MRC for
each DID, and is something you definitely need to get right so that people
don't die.
On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the
whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum
commits are taken into account.
Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID
lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.
At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to
change.
In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be
accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion
of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e.
how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the
network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks
like.
Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the
call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on
the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call
control traffic.
It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it
and how to identify them.
We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes
sense.
Regards
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on
pots.
We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are
already serving some of our other areas.
I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be
perfect.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..
Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL
tariff. Some of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a
non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you
are looking for such ?
i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived
convenience issue ?
We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core
issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
--
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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>>> I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport >>> and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. This is where the Risk/Reward comes into play. If all the pieces are available to you, and it is just a matter of 'time & effort' to put it all together in a manageable system, we can provide you with that too.as a one-time implementation or as a managed system.. Lots of ways this can be sliced and diced. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:34:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. > I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. > So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of > connection. > If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be > jitter or latency. > So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional > tandem > if I can get it. > I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and > connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >>>>the > >>>tandem, the quality should be pretty high > Yes, sort off > Explanation:- > There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or > "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or > "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... > Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both > legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... > Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more > challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. > VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the > Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. > Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) > is > of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... > In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec > Conversions > (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter latency > tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these > days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit > Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). > Regards > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to >> the >> tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort >> public >> routing to the gateway. >> But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very >> well, >> it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. >> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the >> whole >> picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits >> are taken into account. >> Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID >> lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees >> along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. >> At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 >> subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the >> flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to >> change. >> In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be >> accurate, >> and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the >> actual path.. The quality greatly depends
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This was brought up with our discussions with Toly and ANPI(or whoever they are this week). We are looking at more of a hosted PBX solution outside of our ILEC territory for companies that also have presence within our ILEC territory. In that scenario we would port our number to Toly as well as the RBOC number for the other locations. There was a few different choices on how to carry the traffic as well (ie them handling it 100% or route the traffic back to us). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers We would just be porting, not moving an NXX. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely understand. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants covered. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your LATA right? Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am guessing you talked to someone about it today. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: NetSapiens does equipment, not service. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more
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Others have mentioned voip.ms... I am extremely happy with them. Unlimited LD, good E911, easy porting, low per-minute rates, around $1.50/mo fixed cost for a ported number. I provide these "free" to my friends and neighbors, in exchange for the occasional sixpack. On 5/30/17 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
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I like VoIP.ms but seems they may not offer what he is looking for. I also like telnyx. They have a very well designed network and support g.722 where possible. New player. - Josh On Jun 9, 2017 1:47 PM, "Bruce Robertson" wrote: > Others have mentioned voip.ms... I am extremely happy with them.� > Unlimited LD, good E911, easy porting, low per-minute rates, around > $1.50/mo fixed cost for a ported number.�� I provide these "free" to my > friends and neighbors, in exchange for the occasional sixpack. > > On 5/30/17 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.� I > would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.� > � > We need unlimited LD and solid 911.� Would prefer someone local.� > � > So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.� > > >
