date:20070910

Mario,
I thought I was good at research, but you've beaten me, hands down! 
Credentials Watch is a real eye opener.  Can't remember, but someone
at Harvard, I think was found out to have not completed her studies? 
The Dean of Admissions, I think it was or Yale, but anyway, I couldn't
help but wonder, how she got past a background report!  I'll bet they
weren't checking them, in some instances.

I know people, who for all intents and purposes, dress, as though they
were in academia, have that tweedy look, so prevalent amongst the
collegiate set, but ALL of the professors, I've been involved with
DON'T dress this way, now that I recollect.  I only had one associate
professor, during an advanced Business course, who had graduated from
William and Mary, which was ALL she talked about, took a fancy to me,
because I worked at ATT, while her husband worked for the
competition, ITT and I wound up transferring OUT of her class, because
I didn't want to deal with the scrutiny she would put me through.  I
wound up seeing the Dean to plead my case out of her class, after I
told her, what I thought of her!

SHE dressed like she was in some other era, like the late 40's through
the late 50's, saw herself as some Southern Belle leftover and
monopolized the class with her memorabilia of her life.  Whatever! 
Just seems that there's a lot of fakery going around, like fake
reporters at white house briefings, planted in with the regular
bone-headed journalists.

Fake doctors, are being caught in the NYC area, doing surgery, that
they aren't qualified for.  I always look at the diplomas,
certificates and citations, awarded to the doctors and specialists I
see, to make sure they're who they say they are.  Most of the
physicians I see, have graduated from Columbia and Newark, have done
their residencies in various hospitals, either here or NYC.  My doctor
has more patients than he can handle, from word of mouth and has had
to hire other physicians to take his overload!

Working as a fake anything, jeopardizes the public's right to be
cared for or administrated to, in a legal, as well as professional
manner.  Does anyone know the penalty for pretending to be a person
who is lettered?  By that, I mean, BA, PhD and all the lettering
behind architects, surveyors, cinematography, MD's, CPA's and
professions, requiring exams, in order to legally present yourself, as
a professional.

There are educators and law degreed individuals, in this group, who I
can certifiably say are the real thing!  You and Frank are/were
teachers and Tommy and I think Dan are lawyers, well, I know Tommy is.
Where do some people get off faking their professions?

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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

2007-09-10 Thread icaruscriesfire

You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that no 
one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning the 
rose color off their goggles.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  Actually it's not a cheap shot.  Why don't you focus on Long Branch 
  issues and stay out of ours.  I sense nobody wants you in either 
  place but you live there so they are stuck with you.  
  
  
 
 I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much.
 and you senses need an adjustment.
 
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[AsburyPark] Bank conference today...

Only bad news on housing, rates, foreclosures.

These guys are finally fessing up to their free for all lending.

Keep an eye on some of these bank stocks

Look at C.wide - continuing their slide. See my earlier posts.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Crane

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 larger crane being unloaded on the jobsite.  I wonder why?
 
 

They have crane envy. Obviously the other was too small and that is
why it tipped over.





 
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[AsburyPark] Fire Sales?

 FRANTIC BUILDERS SLASH HOME PRICES

By PAUL THARP

September 8, 2007 -- The fire sale of the century is now under way in
the real estate sector, with the prices of thousands of unsold new
homes being slashed as much as $100,000 from typical $500,000 prices.

Homebuilders across the nation are scrambling to raise cash as their
once-booming industry slides deeper into recession, leaving behind the
ruins of scores of bankrupt firms.

One major homebuilder in the New York area, Hovnanian Homes, is
fighting back the threat of ruin with a brave counterattack.

Hovnanian, the nation's sixth-largest builder, said yesterday it's
launching its first-ever national ad campaign to promote a three-day
sales blitz next weekend aimed at unloading dozens of unsold homes
with as much as 17 percent markdowns.

A one-bedroom condo with a pool and spectacular Manhattan views -
nestled on the New Jersey side of the Hudson River near Hoboken - will
be reduced by $44,000 from its $500,000 price, enough savings to pay
for a trendy Audi A6 or BMW.

A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price
slashed by $106,000. And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J.,
got lowered by nearly $100,000.

People are waiting for a big deal from this crisis, and we're going
to give them the deal of the century, said Michael Skea, vice
president of sales at Hovnanian, based in Red Bank, N.J.

Analysts said the 72-hour sale, which takes place Sept. 14-16 and can
be conducted and financed online through Hovnanian's lending arm, is a
last-ditch effort to improve cash flows after the fourth-straight
quarter of losses.

Other struggling homebuilders are also setting up desperate fire sales
later this fall. One of the latest companies in crisis is
Atlanta-based Beazer Homes, which yesterday got a formal notice of
default on $1.38 billion in loans. Beazer said the notice is invalid.

Meanwhile, auctioneers are staging sales almost every weekend in major
cities to unload vacant homes that have been foreclosed by banks.

One of the nation's biggest home auctioneers, Hudson  Marshall, is
putting 700 homes on the block for a mega-auction next weekend in
Detroit. Properties range from $5,000 for small bungalows and
fixer-uppers to $600,000 four-bedroom custom homes.

Banks are very anxious to find buyers, so the properties are going to
auction below their list prices, said auctioneer Dave Webb.

It's good news for buyers who got priced out of the home market in
the past few years, said Webb, who's auctioned 40,000 foreclosed
homes this year. Now they have a chance to grab great deals.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price
slashed by $106,000. 

(20%)

And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J.,
got lowered by nearly $100,000.

(less then 1%)

Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR.

We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. 

Sales call at The Esperanza today...

Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read.

Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for 
the 4th Ave condo convert.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

2007-09-10 Thread Allan Peterson

I worry about metro

- Original Message 
From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:36:29 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

A beachfront condo in North Wildwood, N.J., had its $500,000 price
slashed by $106,000. 

(20%)

And a $1.6 million estate in Morris County, N.J.,
got lowered by nearly $100,000.

(less then 1%)

Hov taking advantage of the free negative PR.

We've been talking 20% price drops for over 6 months now. 

Sales call at The Esperanza today...

Time to clean off the crystal ball for the next read.

Country Wide is the lender on next weeks auction by Sheldon Good for 
the 4th Ave condo convert.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Crane

2007-09-10 Thread Allan Peterson

The I wonder why? part was sarcasm

- Original Message 
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:18:10 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Crane

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote:

 larger crane being unloaded on the jobsite. I wonder why?

They have crane envy. Obviously the other was too small and that is
why it tipped over.

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2007-09-10 Thread Allan Peterson

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[AsburyPark] Kansas Senate Prayer

This is a Prayer given in Kansas at the opening session of their Senate.  It 
seems Prayer still upsets some people. When Minister Joe Wright was asked to  
open the new session of the Kansas Senate,

'Heavenly  Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to 
seek your  direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who 
call evil  good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our 
spiritual  equilibrium and reversed our values.
We  have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.

We  have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.

We  have killed our unborn and called it choice.

We  have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.

We  have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self  
esteem.

We  have abused power and called it politics.

We  have coveted our neighbor's possessions  a  nd called it ambition.

We  have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it 
freedom of  __expression

We  have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it  
enlightenment.

Search  us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from Every sin and 
set us  free.

Amen!'
The  response was immediate.
A  number of legislators walked out during the prayer in  protest.
In  6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, 
logged  more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding 
negatively.  The church is now receiving international requests for copies of 
this 
prayer  from India ,  Africa  and Korea
Commentator  Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, 'The Rest of 
the Story,' and  received a larger response to this program than any other he 
has ever aired.  With the Lord's help! , may this prayer sweep over our 
nation and whole  heartedly become our desire so that we again can be called 
'one 
nation Under  God.'





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[AsburyPark] Re: Kansas Senate Prayer

I'd be upset if I heard this prayer given at a government event. It's full of 
things that 
political parties exploit, and it shouldn't be part of our political process.
I think the whole One Nation, Under God concept needs to be reexamined. It 
assumes 
that we all believe in a god, the same god for everybody. Some people don't 
have such 
beliefs, and it's not fair to them.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is a Prayer given in Kansas at the opening session of their Senate.  It 
 seems Prayer still upsets some people. When Minister Joe Wright was asked to  
 open the new session of the Kansas Senate,
 
 'Heavenly  Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to 
 seek your  direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who 
 call evil  good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our 
 spiritual  equilibrium and reversed our values.
 We  have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.
 
 We  have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
 
 We  have killed our unborn and called it choice.
 
 We  have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
 
 We  have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self  
 esteem.
 
 We  have abused power and called it politics.
 
 We  have coveted our neighbor's possessions  a  nd called it ambition.
 
 We  have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it 
 freedom of  __expression
 
 We  have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it  
 enlightenment.
 
 Search  us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from Every sin and 
 set us  free.
 
 Amen!'
 The  response was immediate.
 A  number of legislators walked out during the prayer in  protest.
 In  6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev. Wright is pastor, 
 logged  more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding 
 negatively.  The church is now receiving international requests for copies of 
 this 
 prayer  from India ,  Africa  and Korea
 Commentator  Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, 'The Rest of 
 the Story,' and  received a larger response to this program than any other he 
 has ever aired.  With the Lord's help! , may this prayer sweep over our 
 nation and whole  heartedly become our desire so that we again can be called 
 'one 
 nation Under  God.'
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

I understand.  I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the 
fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the 
public streets.  What they must understand is that the Federal Court 
made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day.  They are not to 
be in prisoned in the shelter.  They are to be released every day in 
an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with 
their lives.

I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had 
three options.  Shelter, hospital or jail.  He was not sick so the 
hospital wouldn't take him.  He was not jailable - so he had no 
choice but to go to the shelter.  He had 2 options there.  Fort 
Monmouth or Asbury park.  Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he 
wound up in Asbury park.

Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do in 
Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony of 
it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a Long 
Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long 
Branch homeless in Asbury!

So I decided because Mario  asbury couple like to jump on me every 
chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the proper 
job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch project 
at all.  Besides there is so much more to do in ministry.

So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap.  Those of you 
in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in bad 
mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long Branch, you 
win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury.

Thanks for lightening my load.

Blessings

KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that 
no 
 one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning 
the 
 rose color off their goggles.
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   Actually it's not a cheap shot.  Why don't you focus on Long 
Branch 
   issues and stay out of ours.  I sense nobody wants you in 
either 
   place but you live there so they are stuck with you.  
   
   
  
  I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much.
  and you senses need an adjustment.
  
  kb
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 A CHEAP SHOT!  I WAS  HAVING A HEALTHY DIALOGUE FROM MY END,
  
 Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall  he also reap.


You got it!

I am referring everyone who turns to me for shelter to MSM.
Enjoy the fruit of your harvest.

I'll stick to preaching, and other ministerial matters.

Praise The Lord!

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Plagues among the Pharisees

In a message dated 9/10/2007 1:13:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a Prayer given in Kansas at the
opening session of their Senate. It seems Prayer still upsets some
people.President Harry S Truman's grandfather told him, When you
see a man praying more fervently than usual, the first thing you should
do is put an extra lock on your smokehouse.Matthew 6:5 -- And when
thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to
pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that
they may be seen of men when thou prayest, enter into thy
closet

[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you.
You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a little 
differently.
Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more then 30 years 
the city 
has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems brought on by our 
homeless population, such as people sleeping in our parks, pan handlers at our 
convienience stores, homeless people using our parks etc. as open air 
bathrooms. Not 
only that, but many of these people come to AP with serious drug and alcohol 
problems, 
and AP is not the place to send somebody with a drug problem. There are plenty 
of drugs 
here, and plenty of dealers looking for new customers. One of my pet peeves 
with the 
drinking homeless people is that they don't seem to understand that there are 
these 
things called garbage cans to discard things in, so they just leave them 
anyplace, such as 
my lawn, or broken on somebodies sidewalk.
Meanwhile, AP is trying to make a comeback. I think our growing homeless 
population is a 
threat to this.
And please don't think the people of AP are without compassion, because that's 
not the 
case. Many of us are just plain fed up. That's not so hard to understand, is it?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I understand.  I think the one issue that has some in a knot is the 
 fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the 
 public streets.  What they must understand is that the Federal Court 
 made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day.  They are not to 
 be in prisoned in the shelter.  They are to be released every day in 
 an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with 
 their lives.
 
 I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had 
 three options.  Shelter, hospital or jail.  He was not sick so the 
 hospital wouldn't take him.  He was not jailable - so he had no 
 choice but to go to the shelter.  He had 2 options there.  Fort 
 Monmouth or Asbury park.  Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he 
 wound up in Asbury park.
 
 Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do in 
 Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony of 
 it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a Long 
 Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long 
 Branch homeless in Asbury!
 
 So I decided because Mario  asbury couple like to jump on me every 
 chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the proper 
 job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch project 
 at all.  Besides there is so much more to do in ministry.
 
 So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap.  Those of you 
 in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in bad 
 mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long Branch, you 
 win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury.
 
 Thanks for lightening my load.
 
 Blessings
 
 KB
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire 
 icaruscriesfire@ wrote:
 
  You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe that 
 no 
  one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone cleaning 
 the 
  rose color off their goggles.
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
   wrote:
   
Actually it's not a cheap shot.  Why don't you focus on Long 
 Branch 
issues and stay out of ours.  I sense nobody wants you in 
 either 
place but you live there so they are stuck with you.  


   
   I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much.
   and you senses need an adjustment.
   
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[AsburyPark] Plagues among the Pharisees

In a message dated 9/10/2007 1:42:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the one issue that has some in a knot
is thefact that the men in the shelter are released every day into
thepublic streets.  What they must understand is that the Federal
Courtmade it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day.  They are not
to be in prisoned in the shelter.  They are to be released every day in
an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on with
their lives.   That knot is that knot of vipers, that brood of
vipers, as John the Baptist refereed to the plagues among the
Pharisees.   An earlier version of JSRM stated that when an individual
leaves the mission, Christ will be their counselor.   Here's why there
are no credentials listed at either MSM's or JSRM's sites (from Christ
Based Counseling link below):
We recognize that psychology is well assimilated into the fiber of
mainline ministries nationwide.  This does NOT indicate that it is
acceptable to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.  A number of these
organizations even refer to their ministries as the generic
Christian-based distancing themselves from Christian counseling, which
is all but destroyed by the imposition of psychological practices during
the last 25 years.  However, a request for their standards or
Christian-based licensing will be met with hostility.  They readily
display their state licensing.  The casual consumer does not realize
that state licensing does NOT consider faith related standards,
practices, strategies or therapies.  Therefore, these ministries and
associations are in fact highly unethical and representing the highest
order of pretense.  The same may even be true for those who graduated
from highly prestigious Christian colleges.  Again, their programs are
often so permeated by the psycho-socio practices they have difficulty
displaying any Christian-based standards, which demonstrate the faith
related nature of their counseling practices.

No matter how well received these personalities, schools, seminaries,
associations and ministries may be they cannot distance themselves from
the fact that the psycho-socio therapies find their foundation in
atheism.
From: http://www.christbasedcounseling.org/cbcinitiative.htm
http://www.christbasedcounseling.org/cbcinitiative.htmSo studying,
long and hard for years, for an LCSW, LPC, CSW, CAD, DAC et al.,  is
pretense and unethical! 
===   But
see how easy it is to get credentials to run a mission.   Bishop
Edward McQuaid's foray into the credentials circuit turned into an
Odyssey.   Click here: M.A. Required, Ph.D. Preferred:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:iTljCTxXmr4J:www.credentialwatch.o\
rg/reports/mcquaid.shtml+Diploma+mills+counseling+therapy+health+religio\
n+minister+clergy+church+fbi+irs+drug+abuse+clinic+ministry+salvation+pa\
stor+priest+justice+revenue+%22disciples+of+truth%22hl=enct=clnkcd=1\
gl=us   We've seen the knot of vipers here before.   JSRM -- Not a
Benefit to Asbury Park.   More like a curse!

[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

2007-09-10 Thread asburycouple

Jack, we've all been down the rational argument route with Kevin 
before.  He is a typical God is on my side zealot who believes his 
point of view must be right and everyone who disagrees is against 
God.  We all know how much trouble this attitude can get us in.  He 
doesn't care about what's best for Asbury Park.  He only cares about 
what's best for his personal agenda.  Logic need not apply.

So my new approach is to simply ignore him and hope he goes away.  
It worked for several others - as soon as we all stopped falling 
into the trap of stoking them on they got bored and left.  Maybe he 
can stick with Long Branch - perhaps he can actually find 1-2 peole 
to follow him there rather than coming here and explain to us all 
how we should be living our lives and managing our city.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you.
 You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a 
little differently.
 Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more 
then 30 years the city 
 has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems 
brought on by our 
 homeless population, such as people sleeping in our parks, pan 
handlers at our 
 convienience stores, homeless people using our parks etc. as open 
air bathrooms. Not 
 only that, but many of these people come to AP with serious drug 
and alcohol problems, 
 and AP is not the place to send somebody with a drug problem. 
There are plenty of drugs 
 here, and plenty of dealers looking for new customers. One of my 
pet peeves with the 
 drinking homeless people is that they don't seem to understand 
that there are these 
 things called garbage cans to discard things in, so they just 
leave them anyplace, such as 
 my lawn, or broken on somebodies sidewalk.
 Meanwhile, AP is trying to make a comeback. I think our growing 
homeless population is a 
 threat to this.
 And please don't think the people of AP are without compassion, 
because that's not the 
 case. Many of us are just plain fed up. That's not so hard to 
understand, is it?
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
wrote:
 
  I understand.  I think the one issue that has some in a knot is 
the 
  fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into the 
  public streets.  What they must understand is that the Federal 
Court 
  made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day.  They are 
not to 
  be in prisoned in the shelter.  They are to be released every 
day in 
  an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move on 
with 
  their lives.
  
  I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had 
  three options.  Shelter, hospital or jail.  He was not sick so 
the 
  hospital wouldn't take him.  He was not jailable - so he had 
no 
  choice but to go to the shelter.  He had 2 options there.  Fort 
  Monmouth or Asbury park.  Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he 
  wound up in Asbury park.
  
  Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do 
in 
  Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the irony 
of 
  it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a 
Long 
  Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the Long 
  Branch homeless in Asbury!
  
  So I decided because Mario  asbury couple like to jump on me 
every 
  chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the 
proper 
  job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch 
project 
  at all.  Besides there is so much more to do in ministry.
  
  So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap.  Those 
of you 
  in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians in 
bad 
  mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long 
Branch, you 
  win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury.
  
  Thanks for lightening my load.
  
  Blessings
  
  KB
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire 
  icaruscriesfire@ wrote:
  
   You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe 
that 
  no 
   one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone 
cleaning 
  the 
   rose color off their goggles.
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
wrote:

 Actually it's not a cheap shot.  Why don't you focus on 
Long 
  Branch 
 issues and stay out of ours.  I sense nobody wants you in 
  either 
 place but you live there so they are stuck with you.  
 
 

I'll focus on what I wish to focus on, thank you very much.
and you senses need an adjustment.

kb
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

ignorance is bliss, and you are wrong as par usual.

As a matter of fact one of my best friends and major supporters owns 
a bus company.  I could even get him to give me a bus and I can load 
it up and bring all the homeless to already existing shelters in the 
monmouth county area.

What a wonderful idea.  Thank you asburycouple or whatever your 
name is.  I see you don't have a profile.

God Bless you, oh excuse me you may not believe in God, you may 
believe in Boothism so I better not say anything.

I got it, have a nice day.

KB


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Jack, we've all been down the rational argument route with Kevin 
 before.  He is a typical God is on my side zealot who believes 
his 
 point of view must be right and everyone who disagrees is against 
 God.  We all know how much trouble this attitude can get us in.  He 
 doesn't care about what's best for Asbury Park.  He only cares 
about 
 what's best for his personal agenda.  Logic need not apply.
 
 So my new approach is to simply ignore him and hope he goes away.  
 It worked for several others - as soon as we all stopped falling 
 into the trap of stoking them on they got bored and left.  Maybe he 
 can stick with Long Branch - perhaps he can actually find 1-2 peole 
 to follow him there rather than coming here and explain to us all 
 how we should be living our lives and managing our city.
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I don't think it's so much about bad mouthing you.
  You need to step back and think about the situation here in AP a 
 little differently.
  Our city has had many more crime problems then LB, and for more 
 then 30 years the city 
  has been struggling. We residents have to cope with problems 
 brought on by our 
  homeless population, such as people sleeping in our parks, pan 
 handlers at our 
  convienience stores, homeless people using our parks etc. as open 
 air bathrooms. Not 
  only that, but many of these people come to AP with serious drug 
 and alcohol problems, 
  and AP is not the place to send somebody with a drug problem. 
 There are plenty of drugs 
  here, and plenty of dealers looking for new customers. One of my 
 pet peeves with the 
  drinking homeless people is that they don't seem to understand 
 that there are these 
  things called garbage cans to discard things in, so they just 
 leave them anyplace, such as 
  my lawn, or broken on somebodies sidewalk.
  Meanwhile, AP is trying to make a comeback. I think our growing 
 homeless population is a 
  threat to this.
  And please don't think the people of AP are without compassion, 
 because that's not the 
  case. Many of us are just plain fed up. That's not so hard to 
 understand, is it?
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
 wrote:
  
   I understand.  I think the one issue that has some in a knot is 
 the 
   fact that the men in the shelter are released every day into 
the 
   public streets.  What they must understand is that the Federal 
 Court 
   made it illegal to keep them in for 24 hours a day.  They are 
 not to 
   be in prisoned in the shelter.  They are to be released every 
 day in 
   an attempt to secure work independent of the shelter and move 
on 
 with 
   their lives.
   
   I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he 
had 
   three options.  Shelter, hospital or jail.  He was not sick 
so 
 the 
   hospital wouldn't take him.  He was not jailable - so he had 
 no 
   choice but to go to the shelter.  He had 2 options there.  Fort 
   Monmouth or Asbury park.  Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so 
he 
   wound up in Asbury park.
   
   Now some of you who fight with me about what I have tried to do 
 in 
   Long Branch, open the shelter at Lighthouse here, well the 
irony 
 of 
   it is you support the few who have made it impossible to open a 
 Long 
   Branch shelter over the last 13 years, and you now have the 
Long 
   Branch homeless in Asbury!
   
   So I decided because Mario  asbury couple like to jump on me 
 every 
   chance they get, and because I have faith that MSM will do the 
 proper 
   job I have decided not ot provide shelter in the Long Branch 
 project 
   at all.  Besides there is so much more to do in ministry.
   
   So as we all can see, what a man sows so shall he reap.  Those 
 of you 
   in Asbury who have joined in with the Long Branch politicians 
in 
 bad 
   mouthing me for wanting to help the homeless here in Long 
 Branch, you 
   win, I'll refer them all to MSM in Asbury.
   
   Thanks for lightening my load.
   
   Blessings
   
   KB
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, icaruscriesfire 
   icaruscriesfire@ wrote:
   
You must understand, kev, those with interests in AP believe 
 that 
   no 
one else has valid interest in AP. They don't need anyone 
 cleaning 
   the 
rose color off their goggles.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin

[AsburyPark] The Importance of Faith Based Organizations Providing Social Services

  
Issue 
Just as public institutions reconsider their funding patterns and seek  to 
engage faith-based organizations more actively, private philanthropies  also 
have the opportunity to forge partnerships with these  groups.


Action 
According to the National Crime Prevention Council's publication,  
Philanthropy and Faith: An Introduction, steps to take when partnering  with 
faith-based groups include the following:  
Find common ground. It is almost always there. You and  many of the 
faith-based groups in your community share purposes. You may  find that you 
agree on 
many of the goals although you may have different  ways of getting there. Work 
together on those elements where you find  common ground and respect those 
where you don't.  
Establish clear guidelines on how you are willing to give  support and 
assistance to faith-based organizations or programs  in the community. Make it 
clear 
what you pay for and what you don't pay  for.  
Help build capacity. Be sure to provide training and  technical assistance to 
support the aims and purposes of the guidelines.  Remember that for many 
local groups capacity is an issue. Help groups  recognize that they can grow, 
but 
don't try to make them stretch without  providing the resources for growth. 
Assume the responsibility for  recognizing their capacity and your ability to 
help them grow. In many  cases you will be dealing with smaller, less formally 
organized, and less  experienced groups. They may need help in understanding 
how to become an  incorporated or nonprofit organization if that is what is 
required before  your organization can fund them. They may need assistance in 
determining  what they can or should evaluate and how to do so inexpensively. 
Consider  working through intermediaries— nonprofit entities that receive and 
 
manage monies for small, faith-based groups. Small- to mid-sized  faith-based 
organizations will also need to look to government and the  philanthropic 
community for financial support to continue this work. While  their ability to 
draw 
on volunteers may offset overall costs, the  increasing need for improved 
organizational infrastructure and  professional staff will eventually outstrip 
their own resources.  
Recognize that different groups have different  purposes. In fact, one group 
may have several different programs  with dissimilar purposes and different 
levels of grounding in  faith-related issues. Don't look at labels or emblems 
but at a group's  actions and methods of reaching the goals. Realize also that 
faith-filled  groups may be fully capable of running faith-based programs.   
Develop an understanding of faith in the community. A  faith-based group 
within the community may be an agent of change, a  builder and keeper of norms, 
an 
administrator of a program, a seeker and  healer of the lost and forgotten, 
or a restorer of civic health. A  faith-based group may take on one or more of 
these roles at various times.  It's important to understand the context in 
which faith acts to move and  shape the community.

See the faith community and the  faith-based group as a partner — a natural 
partner of seemingly  unnatural allies, such as the police department, the 
school, or social  services delivery systems.

Seek not just fiduciary  relationships but operating partnerships. Take an 
active role as  an agent of change. Bring together groups that share 
commitment, 
purpose,  and approach. Help them learn from each other, and help them grow 
with  each other. Link with others — national and local — to build a  
philanthropic network around the faith-funding issue. Bring in public  agencies 
— 
local, state, and national — in your area that may be funding  or have an 
interest 
in funding faith-related programs. 
Be ready to relate to new groups with new  constituencies. There are new and 
important players coming to the  table, such as representatives from Latino 
Pentecostal-Holiness churches  and from mosques who are beginning to see 
private 
and public monies as  important to their social work. 
Demand accountability. Good stewardship is as much a  part of faith as it is 
of philanthropy. Treat faith-based groups as you  would any partner. Agree on 
outcomes and timelines. Don't let groups make  promises that will be difficult 
to keep regarding results or the  promptness of delivery. Be clear about 
legal boundaries.  
Stay in  for the long haul. It may take a long  time for change to be able to 
happen both for people and for communities.  Be sure to give programs a 
chance to work. 
Keep in mind research, track records, and plausibility when  assessing what 
is presented to you. Faith based organizations, no  matter how noble their 
intentions, may not understand the scope of the  problem or the needs that 
they're 
trying to address. If an approach hasn't  worked, it hasn't worked; allowing 
a faith-based group to adopt it is to  invite that group to fail. By the same

[AsburyPark] Working with faith-based organizations: challenges and benefits

Working with faith-based organizations: challenges and benefits
Abstract
Serving with community organizations -- in particular, small faith-based
ones -- presents a unique set of challenges for those in national and
community
service. Beverly Al-Amin of the National Crime Prevention Council shared
strategies for overcoming potential obstacles at the 2005 AmeriCorps*Direct
Best
Practices Conference in Nashville, Tennessee in April 2005.
Issue
Working with any organization presents challenges, and community
organizations are no exception.

Action
According to Beverly Al-Amin of the National Crime Prevention Council, take
the following steps to deal with challenges posed by working with
community-based organizations.
Problem: The organization may be cautious about partnering with the federal
government.
Solution:
* Be clear about the opportunities available to the new partner and
how its program can be enhanced with this support.
* Be specific about what activities can and cannot be done when
organizations are partnering with the federal government. (See the section on
legal
guidelines below.)
* Be aware that in the past, faith-based organizations might have
limited their services to members of their own faith. When an organization
becomes a Senior Corps volunteer station, their services must be available to
all
members of the community, regardless of their religious background.

Problem: The organization may face administrative challenges, such as staff
being unavailable to answer phones or be present during normal working
hours. This is especially true for congregations (mosques, temples, churches,
synagogues).Solution:
* Be consistent and patient in communicating with the organization.
* Be flexible in your schedule so you can meet staff when and where
they are available.

Problem: The organization may lack access to information.Solution:
* Offer to invite the organization to community councils and
networking opportunities.
* Introduce staff to new and different sources of information.
* Offer support to help the organization comply with local and federal
rules on partnering with various organizations.

Problem: The organization may need help with additional capacity
building.Solution:
* Every organization has both strengths and weaknesses; suggest ways
you can help the organization maximize its strengths and compensate for its
weaknesses.
* Offer to share effective practices that have worked for your
organization and might be adapted to work within their program or
organization.
Walk-through their (or your) processes or procedures step-by-step with an eye
to
highlight areas of efficiency and troubleshoot areas of bottle necking.

Problem: The organization may have language barriers. Members of the
organization may not be fluent in English; words may be used in slightly
different
ways -- for example, a secular organization may talk about a program, while
the faith-based group has a ministry. The two words often appear to be
interchangeable, but they mean different things to each group.
Solution:
Ask a lot of questions when meeting with community organizations. Do not
assume anything, and be specific about the expectations of the programs.

Problem: The organization may feel protective of their programs and
congregations. Sometimes new programs can be perceived as taking money,
volunteers,
and other resources away from an already limited capacity.
Solution:
* When meeting with a community organization, be prepared to discuss
how the new partnership will support the mission and use the organization's
resources to benefit the community.
* Ensure that the organization has both the benefits and the
responsibilities of a full partnership. This means that the organization
receives
credit for making the partnership a success but also takes responsibility.
_Return to Top_
(http://nationalserviceresources.org/epicenter/practices/index.php?ep_action=viewep_id=1150#top)

Context
Faith-based and community organizations have a long history of providing
essential services to people in need in the United States. In recognition of
the
unique ability that these organizations have to meet the special needs of
their communities, President George W. Bush has made improving funding
opportunities for faith-based and community organizations a priority. Through
the
President's faith-based and community initiative, the administration is
working
to remove unnecessary barriers that may prevent these organizations from
receiving federal funding, creating a level playing field between
faith-based
and community organizations and other groups that use federal funds in
delivering services.
On January 29, 2001, President Bush issued an Executive Order directing the
Secretary of the

Re: [AsburyPark] Plagues among the Pharisees

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes: This is a prayer
given in Kansas...We have rewarded laziness and called it welfareA
number of legislators walked out...logged more than 5,000 phone calls
with only 47 of those calls responding negatively...   To find out what
occurred and what did not (like the above version) see:Click here:
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Joe Wright Letter
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/wright.asp Excerpt:
Syndicated religion columnist Terry Mattingly probably explained it best
when he wrote: The easy answer is that he read a prayer about sin. The
complicated answer is that Wright jumped into America's tense debate
about whether some things are always right and some things are always
wrong.


Some people get upset when politics intrude into religion; others are
irritated when religion intrudes into politics. As in war, the
intruder is always the guy on the other side.
We have rewarded laziness.  It's called IRS 501(c).

[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

track record 1889 - 2007 = 118 years of experience.
The fact that their CEO is making less than 100,000.00 a year in New 
Jersey is extremely comendable.

Chicago nonprofits also pay their CEOs the most--a median of $184,753 
a year for bosses of the 88 local charities in the sample.

Didn't I read somewhere that the United Way CEO was close to 
$300,000.00  - I know we pay LB School Super $250,000.00 - some think 
$300K.

I only see lame reasons not to embrace them.  Unless you guys are 
caught up on the fact that they believe homosexuality is a sin.

  Cause I have listened to all the arguement that comes out on this 
board and I am not convinced they are not doing a good thing in 
Asbury Park.

I spent over a year sitting back and waiting.  Now I am gonna support 
them 150%.

Reverend Kevin Brown
Lighthouse Long Branch.
Building a congregation of worshipers who will impact the county and 
the State.

Oh and we are not a geographically challenged church, we accept 
members from all over the world.  Christians who embrace the teaching 
of Jesus Christ.





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:30:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 the Mission  has ...a prooven track record.
  
  
  
 That's a mere assertion.  
 What proof and what track  are you referring to?  
  
 Here's the record -- a long list of data, not  assertions; be 
prepared to 
 scroll.
  
 _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733_ 
 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733) 
  
 We've been down this road before, months  ago.
 
  
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Terry Mattingly is a liberal 



 
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[AsburyPark] NIMBY - STAND UP FOR FAITH BASED SOCIAL SERVICES

I am having signs made to support Faith Based Initiatives and Social 
Justice in Monmouth County.

When they are ready I will bring them down to the Adriatic, another 
friend of mine, where I spend my hard earned money for dinner out.

I will distribute them there.

Reverend Kevin Brown
Lighthouse Long Branch



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Plagues among the Pharisees

My response?   AMEN!

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 In a message dated 9/10/2007 1:13:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a Prayer given in Kansas at the
 opening session of their Senate. It seems Prayer still upsets some
 people.President Harry S Truman's grandfather told him, When you
 see a man praying more fervently than usual, the first thing you should
 do is put an extra lock on your smokehouse.Matthew 6:5 -- And when
 thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to
 pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that
 they may be seen of men when thou prayest, enter into thy
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml 

great Ann Coulter Interview...



 
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[AsburyPark] AsburyCouple on the Money -- but not in a Trap

In a message dated 9/10/2007 2:23:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Jack, we've all been down the rational
argument route with Kevin before.  He is a typical God is on my side
zealot who believes...everyone who disagrees is against God.  We all
know how much trouble this attitude can get us in.  Hedoesn't care about
what's best for Asbury Park.  He only cares about what's best for his
personal agenda.  Logic need not apply.AsburyCouple is right on the
money and I agree with the above.So my new approach is to simply ignore
him and hope he goes away.  It worked for several others - as soon as we
all stopped falling into the trap of stoking them on they got bored and
left.  Maybe he can stick with Long Branch - perhaps he can actually
find 1-2 peole to follow him there rather than coming here and explain
to us all how we should be living our lives and managing our city.
And most of the above. Question is  -- who is falling into a trap?  This
board or JSRM? Sometimes the gobbledygook, the nonsensical jargon, needs
to be exposed for what it is -- a sham.  It's bogus when it comes from
Long Branch; and,more importantly, it's bogus in Asbury Park when JSRM
uses the same script to obscure the issue:  How does JSRM benefit Asbury
Park? Maybe it's good to encourage the preaching from Long Branch.Maybe
there are AP residents, who read here but don't post, who haven't quite
made up their minds about JSRM. They may get bored of the talk but
also recognize there's no walk:no benefit to Asbury Park's homeleess,
helpless, and hopeless;there's no hand up; just proselytizing and a
revolving door.  Sometimes  'tis sport to have the enginer/ Hoist with
his own petar Not the engineer in Long Branch,the well paid MSM
director and his engineers in Asbury Park trying to screw us all with
JSRM.

[AsburyPark] Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

No, not that one, this one:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070910/odd_salty_burger.html?.v=1



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Plagues among the Pharisees

Well, that would include The Red Cross, who hired Blackwater Soldiers
of Fortune, to protect them in New Orleans and may have executed some
residents, as I have heard.  The Salvation Army, which owns an
apartment building for womenin NYC.  The building was given to them
and now, they're in the process of evicting these same women, because
they can get millions for the building to be turned into condos,
what else!  It includes the American Legion, whose last National
Commander, took a partisan side towards the White House, instead of
staying apolitical, non-sectarian, as its' Constitution, implies! 
And on and on!

I am Roman Catholic and whenever our meetings begin with a sectarian
prayer, I get very upset, because no one prays the Hail Mary or the
Apostles Creed.  WE have a chaplain as well and wonder why!  I don't
have a problem with a moment of silence, because it gives believers
and non-believers the option to meditate, without crossing over into
religious beliefs.  Just count me as a Pharisee, then!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes: This is a prayer
 given in Kansas...We have rewarded laziness and called it welfareA
 number of legislators walked out...logged more than 5,000 phone calls
 with only 47 of those calls responding negatively...  



 Some people get upset when politics intrude into religion; others are
 irritated when religion intrudes into politics. As in war, the
 intruder is always the guy on the other side.


 We have rewarded laziness.  It's called IRS 501(c).

And they use it to hide behind, when done illegally!
PBS, the non commercial television,  is hurting,  because the
government cut their funding, having them resort to begging for funds
to stay on the air!  They have the BEST programming, that airs, beside
HBO!





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

You need help!


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 http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml 
 
 great Ann Coulter Interview...





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Importance of Faith Based Organizations Providing Social Services

Sorry Kevin.

If I were homeless and hungry, stopped in to your mission, I wouldn't
want to have to pray with you, when my beliefs are different and not
protestant, as you appear to be.  Nothing against Protestants, mind
you.  I just don't want to be forced to participate in your religion,
when everyone's tas dollars, provide YOU with the food to feed ME!

The government is WRONG, to support faith-based religion!  Like RAM it
down my throat already!  If I were an atheist, I'd be pissed!

As far as philanthrophy, my perception was that the money used was
your own!  Hell, I'd be philanthropic too, if my Uncle Sam slid some
to me!  501C-3, huh?  Sounds like a good racket to me!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Issue 
 Just as public institutions reconsider their funding patterns and
seek  to 
 engage faith-based organizations more actively, private
philanthropies  also 
 have the opportunity to forge partnerships with these  groups.
 
 
* See what's new at http://www.aol.com





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Crane

2007-09-10 Thread apoojo

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote:
 
  larger crane being unloaded on the jobsite.  I wonder why?
  
  
 
 They have crane envy. Obviously the other was too small and that is
 why it tipped over.

 i heard from a ggod source,,it tipped over because the outriggers were 
not being used properly



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

Holy crap. I wonder if the million dollar pants guy we'll somehow get involved.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, not that one, this one:
 
 http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070910/odd_salty_burger.html?.v=1





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

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 I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had 
 three options.  Shelter, hospital or jail.  He was not sick so the 
 hospital wouldn't take him.  He was not jailable - so he had no 
 choice but to go to the shelter.  He had 2 options there.  Fort 
 Monmouth or Asbury park.  Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he 
 wound up in Asbury park.


Fort Monmouth screens and if there were warrants outstanding he gets
jailed. Some do not want to be screened. Too bad.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

haven't we all gotten sick at McD's? 

Try the Chicken Wrap, Grilled. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

I'm still lamenting the loss of Checkers

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 haven't we all gotten sick at McD's? 
 
 Try the Chicken Wrap, Grilled.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

2007-09-10 Thread asburycouple

What ever happened to Checkers?  They were open for about ten 
minutes???





 
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[AsburyPark] Esperanza - Branding

Strategy: Creative Realtors Give Condos New Lease On Life
Marketing, marketing, marketing replaces location, location, location.
September 10, 2007
By Mike Beirne

Desperate times call for smarter marketing, even in the upscale market
of condominiums, where developers dangle such luxury hotel-type
amenities as spas, five-star restaurants, health clubs and maid
service as part of the perks.

Developers were sitting on an inventory of 742,000 condos and co-ops
in July. That's 11.9 months supply compared to the 8.2 months on hand
the previous year, according to the National Assn. of Realtors,
Chicago. Sales declined in every region tracked by NAR, dropping the
national average by 7.5% compared to July 2006.

Putting The Donald's name on a marquee should be enough to break
through real estate marketing's sea of sameness. The 46-story Trump
SoHo Hotel Condominium, under construction in New York and scheduled
to open in early 2009, is being supported with print beyond the Big
Apple, via Prodigy International, Miami. One sees Trump's daughter
Ivanka in a slinky white dress posing next to an artist's rendition of
the building overlooking a night scene of Manhattan. Tag: Possess
your own SoHo.

For the right price, that's not all you can possess, thanks to Donald
Trump. A one-bedroom, one-and-a-half-bath, 1,180-square-foot condo at
Trump World Tower, located near the United Nations' building, recently
went on the market. What would someone get for the $1.4 million asking
price? According to the real estate listing: Floor-to-ceiling
windows; the dining room can be converted to a second bedroom;
building features include: 24-hour concierge and doorman, health club,
pool, spa, on-site garage. Pet friendly.

We advise our clients to establish [their] differentiation. You can't
be a square box with a square pool, said Scott Berman, leisure and
hospitality analyst at PricewaterhouseCoopers, Miami (they were not
affiliated with the Trump World Tower listing). In crowded fields,
that's where you're going to see breakthough marketing.

NR Investments, Miami, recently put its four South Florida business
complexes out front with a campaign, via Stir Communications, Boca
Raton, Fla., that splashed, We hate your landlord too, in print, on
billboards and an online brochure that shows small business owners the
benefits of owning versus leasing their work space.

Stir also staged street rallies in business districts where suit-clad
demonstrators protested against the tyranny of leasing. The effort
has netted more than 1,000 inquiries since July.

We wanted to be polarizing enough with irreverent copy to allow
people to pay attention long enough to drive them in and have a 'right
brain response' to our properties and then move them to the very 'left
brain process' to digest the complex issue of owning versus leasing,
said Greg Salsburg, president at Stir.

The Athena Group, New York, opened The Rob Clark in Los Angeles nine
months ago and has sold 85 of the building's 105 units without placing
a single newspaper ad. What they did do was create Rob Clark, a
fictional character who is hip, well-traveled and at the hot VIP
gatherings familiar to the Hollywood lifestyle Gen X target audience.

Athena plastered posters around town featuring its fictional
character. Street teams handed out $50 bills courtesy of Rob Clark.
The company set up a Web site, www.Therobclark.com, where visitors
could read about a woman who wrote a movie pitch inspired by Rob
Clark, follow Rob Clark as he drove to hot spots in Los Angeles and
even tour his condo, where they would find items such as an
invitiation to celebrity parties with a special appearance by Rob Clark.

All I want to do with advertising is bring traffic, said Harry
Dubin, Athena director of marketing and sales. Five percent of
traffic I can close. I may have to see 100 people now to sell 10 units
because the subprime mess is giving me more people who don't qualify
for loans. But it all comes back to marketing.

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[AsburyPark] Re: Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

Bad location

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What ever happened to Checkers?  They were open for about ten 
 minutes???





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
  
  I saw a guy sleeping in the parking lot over the weekend, he had 
  three options.  Shelter, hospital or jail.  He was not sick so 
the 
  hospital wouldn't take him.  He was not jailable - so he had no 
  choice but to go to the shelter.  He had 2 options there.  Fort 
  Monmouth or Asbury park.  Fort Monmouth wouldn't take him, so he 
  wound up in Asbury park.
 
 
 Fort Monmouth screens and if there were warrants outstanding he gets
 jailed. Some do not want to be screened. Too bad.


I happen to agree with the Ft Monmouth Policy.  However they also 
limited the time you stay within a year.  They wouldn't let Stash 
back until January 2008.  I also know thatthey keep you so many days, 
because county tax payers dollars pay per diem, for some amount of 
days.  After the county money stops they get booted out, there in is 
the bigger problem.

So, what do we do with the homeless Dan.  I know you long enough to 
know you are reasonable.  I agree that dumbing and relocating are 
wrong.  This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of Asbury's 
position - I do know quite abit about what is goin gon in this State 
on this issue.  The State has no constitutional requirement for 
shelter of anyone.  Homeless people are not a protected group.  Many 
cities in NJ are sanctuary citys for illegals but not homeless.

I learned today he is well known Stash is the name the LBPD have 
given him.  Apparently he is mentally disabled and there is no place 
for him, so they let him stay on the street and they sought of move 
him along from place to place when someone complains.

It's a major problem.

KB





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You need help!
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
  http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml 
  
  great Ann Coulter Interview...
 


That's the name of her book.

Actually:  Godless: The church of Liberalism



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Importance of Faith Based Organizations Providing Social Services

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry Kevin.
 
 If I were homeless and hungry, stopped in to your mission, I 
wouldn't
 want to have to pray with you, when my beliefs are different and not
 protestant, as you appear to be.  Nothing against Protestants, mind
 you.  I just don't want to be forced to participate in your 
religion,
 when everyone's tas dollars, provide YOU with the food to feed ME!
 
 The government is WRONG, to support faith-based religion!  Like RAM 
it
 down my throat already!  If I were an atheist, I'd be pissed!
 
 As far as philanthrophy, my perception was that the money used was
 your own!  Hell, I'd be philanthropic too, if my Uncle Sam slid some
 to me!  501C-3, huh?  Sounds like a good racket to me!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseykev@ wrote:
 

  Issue 
  Just as public institutions reconsider their funding patterns and
 seek  to 
  engage faith-based organizations more actively, private
 philanthropies  also 
  have the opportunity to forge partnerships with these  groups.
  
  
 * See what's new at http://www.aol.com
 


Did anyone ever stop to think the more you strip away liberty from 
different segments of the population, you may one day wake up and 
there is no more liberty at all.

You may want to argue for the right to tax, the tax exempt.  I would 
rather spend my time argueing against taxes to begin with.  This is 
the most central difference between republicans and democrats.

Talk about the lazy!  

Then also consider the property for schools, which do not pay taxes 
as well.

But we have already went round and round about this one.  If you 
going to tax churches than tax everyone.  Or better yet end tax and 
lets roll back to the Liberterian way of doing things.

Someone should do a comparison of money spent on charity and 
government in the State of New Jersey.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays  
attention to her or believes anything she says...




On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You need help!


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
  http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml
 
  great Ann Coulter Interview...
 


That's the name of her book.

Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism

[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

The words Great and Ann Coulter should never be used together.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays  
 attention to her or believes anything she says...
 
 
 
 On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
  
   You need help!
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
   
http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml
   
great Ann Coulter Interview...
   
  
 
  That's the name of her book.
 
  Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: AsburyCouple on the Money -- but not in a Trap

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 9/10/2007 2:23:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Jack, we've all been down the rational
 argument route with Kevin before.  He is a typical God is on my 
side
 zealot who believes...everyone who disagrees is against God.  We all
 know how much trouble this attitude can get us in.  Hedoesn't care 
about
 what's best for Asbury Park.  He only cares about what's best for 
his
 personal agenda.  Logic need not apply.AsburyCouple is right on the
 money and I agree with the above.So my new approach is to simply 
ignore
 him and hope he goes away.  It worked for several others - as soon 
as we
 all stopped falling into the trap of stoking them on they got bored 
and
 left.  Maybe he can stick with Long Branch - perhaps he can actually
 find 1-2 peole to follow him there rather than coming here and 
explain
 to us all how we should be living our lives and managing our city.
 And most of the above. Question is  -- who is falling into a trap?  
This
 board or JSRM? Sometimes the gobbledygook, the nonsensical jargon, 
needs
 to be exposed for what it is -- a sham.  It's bogus when it comes 
from
 Long Branch; and,more importantly, it's bogus in Asbury Park when 
JSRM
 uses the same script to obscure the issue:  How does JSRM benefit 
Asbury
 Park? Maybe it's good to encourage the preaching from Long 
Branch.Maybe
 there are AP residents, who read here but don't post, who haven't 
quite
 made up their minds about JSRM. They may get bored of the talk but
 also recognize there's no walk:no benefit to Asbury 
Park's homeleess,
 helpless, and hopeless;there's no hand up; just proselytizing 
and a
 revolving door.  Sometimes  'tis sport to have the enginer/ Hoist 
with
 his own petar Not the engineer in Long Branch,the well paid MSM
 director and his engineers in Asbury Park trying to screw us all 
with
 JSRM.


See your problem is with religion.
and you blame the religious.
i find that to be the number one cause for the downturn in america's 
strength.  

...and in the end of days, they will grab from their homes the 
faithful and slaughter them in the streets... so they can continue in 
their folly.  Pay no mind to those that would persecute you for 
Christ's sake, for they as well persecuted Him, and nailed Him to a 
cross.  The world is not the place where righteousness rules.  The 
heart is where the Kingdom is, so let them think they have the world, 
you keep heart and stay pure before The Almighty...


KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: NIMBY - STAND UP FOR FAITH BASED SOCIAL SERVICES

NIMBY
Not In My Backyard



 
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[AsburyPark] Wonder Bar Help

My column this week will be an open letter to Larry detailing why he 
should keep the Wonder Bar open at this time.  

I don't know why the Publisher of TCN has ignored this issue, but we 
really shouldn't wait any longer, so I'd like to start.

If any of you would like to give me your thoughts, send me history 
(Oak) or whatever arguments you think are helpful, send me an email.

Gary, how many names are on that petition?

Please use this mail:

DeSeno @ msn. com

Thanks folks.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Working with faith-based organizations: challenges and benefits

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Working with faith-based  organizations: challenges and 
benefits
 Abstract 
 Serving with community organizations -- in particular, small  faith-
based 
 ones -- presents a unique set of challenges for those in  national 
and community 
 service. Beverly Al-Amin of the National Crime  Prevention Council 
shared 
 strategies for overcoming potential obstacles at  the 2005 
AmeriCorps*Direct Best 
 Practices Conference in Nashville,  Tennessee in April 2005.   
 Issue 
 Working with any organization presents challenges, and community  
 organizations are no exception.
 
 Action 
 According to Beverly Al-Amin of the National Crime Prevention 
Council,  take 
 the following steps to deal with challenges posed by working with  
 community-based organizations.  
 Problem: The organization may be cautious about  partnering with 
the federal 
 government. 
 Solution: 
 *   Be clear about the opportunities available to the new 
partner and  
 how its program can be enhanced with this support.  
 *   Be specific about what activities can and cannot be done 
when  
 organizations are partnering with the federal government. (See the  
section on legal 
 guidelines below.)  
 *   Be aware that in the past, faith-based organizations might 
have  
 limited their services to members of their own faith. When an  
organization 
 becomes a Senior Corps volunteer station, their services  must be 
available to all 
 members of the community, regardless of their  religious background.
 
 Problem: The organization may face  administrative challenges, such 
as staff 
 being unavailable to answer  phones or be present during normal 
working 
 hours. This is especially  true for congregations (mosques, 
temples, churches,  
 synagogues).Solution:  
 *   Be consistent and patient in communicating with the 
organization.  
 *   Be flexible in your schedule so you can meet staff when and 
where  
 they are available.
 
 Problem: The organization may lack access to  
information.Solution:  
 *   Offer to invite the organization to community councils and  
 networking opportunities.  
 *   Introduce staff to new and different sources of 
information.  
 *   Offer support to help the organization comply with local 
and federal  
 rules on partnering with various organizations.
 
 Problem: The organization may need help with  additional capacity 
 building.Solution:  
 *   Every organization has both strengths and weaknesses; 
suggest ways  
 you can help the organization maximize its strengths and compensate 
for  its 
 weaknesses.  
 *   Offer to share effective practices that have worked for 
your  
 organization and might be adapted to work within their program or  
organization. 
 Walk-through their (or your) processes or procedures  step-by-step 
with an eye to 
 highlight areas of efficiency and  troubleshoot areas of bottle 
necking.
 
 Problem: The organization may have language  barriers. Members of 
the 
 organization may not be fluent in English;  words may be used in 
slightly different 
 ways -- for example, a secular  organization may talk about 
a program, while 
 the faith-based group has a  ministry. The two words often appear 
to be 
 interchangeable, but they  mean different things to each group. 
 Solution:  
 Ask a lot of questions when meeting with community organizations. 
Do  not 
 assume anything, and be specific about the expectations of the  
programs. 
 
 Problem: The organization may feel protective  of their programs 
and 
 congregations. Sometimes new programs can be  perceived as taking 
money, volunteers, 
 and other resources away from an  already limited capacity. 
 Solution:  
 *   When meeting with a community organization, be prepared to 
discuss  
 how the new partnership will support the mission and use the  
organization's 
 resources to benefit the community.  
 *   Ensure that the organization has both the benefits and the  
 responsibilities of a full partnership. This means that the 
organization  receives 
 credit for making the partnership a success but also takes  
responsibility.
 _Return  to Top_ 
 (http://nationalserviceresources.org/epicenter/practices/index.php?
ep_action=viewep_id=1150#top) 
 
 
 Context 
 Faith-based and community organizations have a long history of  
providing 
 essential services to people in need in the United States. In  
recognition of the 
 unique ability that these organizations have to meet  the special 
needs of 
 their communities, President George W. Bush has made  improving 
funding 
 opportunities for faith-based and community  organizations a 
priority. Through the 
 President's faith-based and  community initiative, the 
administration is working 
 to remove unnecessary  barriers that may prevent these 
organizations from 
 receiving federal  funding, creating a level playing field 
between faith-based 
 and

[AsburyPark] Berkeley Carteret Hotel

Walked into the lobby the other night with my sons.  We all stopped in 
our tracks.

My 11 year old said, Are they trying to make it look...funky?

I couldn't have thought of a better word myself.

I'm not one tell another person how to spend his money, particularly 
when its a guy who is about a billion times more successful than me.

With that being said, let me now say, Holy Crap!  What's with the 
Zebra rug? 

Maybe it's because they aren't done yet, so I shouldn't really judge.  
They sure are taking the traditional out of the lobby though.

I hear the upstairs isn't that bad.  Plan to look this week. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza - Branding

All I want to do with advertising is bring traffic, said Harry
Dubin, Athena director of marketing and sales. Five percent of
traffic I can close. I may have to see 100 people now to sell 10 units
because the subprime mess is giving me more people who don't qualify
for loans. But it all comes back to marketing.

So for AP, you need 1,000 to sell 1.

And I don't know, maybe they sales approach is because they want ot 
ahve a giant orgy or something, but if I bring in some ugly couple 
with a million bucks, they should think about selling

Oh yeah, $30k for a parking spacehow much is land worth NOW. 
Someone should call the tax assessor. Werner. A Typical parking space 
is 12x20. How many parking spaces per acre? We turn to Google, the 
engine that makes us look smart. We need to implant Goog in our 
brain, so we can mumble questions and get answers:

1. On average [in the U.S.] a new parking space has cost 17 percent 
more than a new car.  Drivers may not realize it, but many parking 
spaces cost more than the cars parked in them, especially because 
cars depreciate in value much faster than parking spaces do...the 
parking supply is worth more than the vehicle stock.


2. ...Meanwhile, the cost of parking--often $50,000 per space and up--
can determine the project's financial feasibility...

Go to google, type parking spaces per acre




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Most Frivolous Arrest/Jailing Ever!

checkers:

according to checkers corp, they didn't pick the site The owner 
of the supermarket put it up, at least that's what I was told. 

Good news is, Checkers corp is still looking.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Berkeley Carteret Hotel


Tommy,

I did a double take with that rug too!

LOL


On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:13 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Walked into the lobby the other night with my sons. We all stopped in
our tracks.

My 11 year old said, Are they trying to make it look...funky?

I couldn't have thought of a better word myself.

I'm not one tell another person how to spend his money, particularly
when its a guy who is about a billion times more successful than me.

With that being said, let me now say, Holy Crap! What's with the
Zebra rug?

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

2007-09-10 Thread docp101

Wake up people.? Ann Coulter is not stating anything that isn't true.

-Original Message-
From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays attention to her 
or believes anything she says...

On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You need help!

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:

  http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml 

  great Ann Coulter Interview...

That's the name of her book.

Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism

.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml 

  great Ann Coulter Interview...

That's the name of her book.

Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Even interview has a tenuous connection to the blond harpy in a  
black slip dress. She bloviates. She does not interview.


On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Hinge wrote:


The words Great and Ann Coulter should never be used together.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays
 attention to her or believes anything she says...



 On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:

  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
  
   You need help!
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@  
wrote:

   
http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml
   
great Ann Coulter Interview...
   
  
 
  That's the name of her book.
 
  Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism

[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel

.
 
 My 11 year old said, Are they trying to make it look...funky?
 

Don'y you know all (almost)women in deal are decorators... or know how 
to hire one?

You just need taste.

at least your kid has a nicer mouth then my kid. I guess we should move 
out west and out of OT.

The only name on the hotel is along ocean ave. 

When u stop back in, ask them the deal with the plywood window for over 
a year on the corner of Sunset and Ocean Ave, conference room. 




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Man I really pity anybody that thinks she's telling the truth.  She's  
an entertainer  if that.



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Wake up people.  Ann Coulter is not stating anything that isn't true.

-Original Message-
From: Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays  
attention to her or believes anything she says...




On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You need help!


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@  
wrote:

 
  http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml
 
  great Ann Coulter Interview...
 


That's the name of her book.

Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism



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[AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel

That's what you get to enjoy if you spend $190 a night

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tommy,
 
 I did a double take with that rug too!
 
 LOL
 
 
 On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:13 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Walked into the lobby the other night with my sons. We all stopped in
  our tracks.
 
  My 11 year old said, Are they trying to make it look...funky?
 
  I couldn't have thought of a better word myself.
 
  I'm not one tell another person how to spend his money, particularly
  when its a guy who is about a billion times more successful than me.
 
  With that being said, let me now say, Holy Crap! What's with the
  Zebra rug?
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Chicken Murphy

jerseykev writes: I am having signs made to support Faith Based
Initiatives and Social Justice in Monmouth County. When they are ready I
will bring them down to the Adriatic, another friend of mine, where I
spend my hard earned money for dinner out.I will distribute them there.
Chicken Murphy at the Adriatic is my favorite.   I found Stanley's
version after The Friendly Restaurant in West End went culinary years
ago, and his remained my favorite.   Several years ago, whenever I tried
to bring friends visiting from out of town to the Adriatic, they would
be discouraged on the approach to the restaurant:  wandering souls from
the neighboring homeless shelters. Ask Stanley K about those days
and the effects those temporary fixes had on his business.  Ask Stanley
if he would have preferred that Asbury Park had taken a different
charitable approach back then?  And now?   For too long policies and
practices around the country related to homelessness have been
tantamount to putting a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound. This independent
research tells us ...the importance of moving beyond a system of
temporary shelters to one that includes comprehensive preventive
services and concrete options for rental assistance and permanent
housing. www.PublicAgenda.org http://www.publicagenda.org/   March
2007

[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, what do we do with the homeless Dan.  I know you long enough to 
 know you are reasonable.  I agree that dumbing and relocating are 
 wrong.  This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of Asbury's 
 position - I do know quite abit about what is goin gon in this State 
 on this issue.  The State has no constitutional requirement for 
 shelter of anyone.  Homeless people are not a protected group.  Many 
 cities in NJ are sanctuary citys for illegals but not homeless.

What do we do? What will never be done. Make sure each community
shoulders its fair share of the burden of social services. JSRM should
be placed in Deal, or Elberon, or Allenhurst. How about Rumson? You
see my point and I see yours. You see that no one else will take them
so it doesn't matter if you are overburdened already (and that we
are). I don't judge you. I know your calling impels you to you say
what you do. But the cold rationalization is what I gave you above. We
have enough already here. And we do for exactly the same reason other
similar places bear a heavy burden of these services. Because others
do not. Because of color.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza - Branding

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Oh yeah, $30k for a parking spacehow much is land worth NOW. 
 Someone should call the tax assessor. Werner. A Typical parking space 
 is 12x20. How many parking spaces per acre? We turn to Google, the 
 engine that makes us look smart. We need to implant Goog in our 
 brain, so we can mumble questions and get answers:


In doing parking lots we figure about 325-350 sf per space to account
for lanes, etc.

Put a zero after that price for a space in Manhattan or hot places in
Brooklyn. The market rent for a transient parking garage almost
anywhere in Manhattan is $4,000-$6,000 per annum per space.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Chicken Murphy

Stanley at least does not Judge people based on their opinions.
You would have a hard time convincing anyone that truly knows me, 
that you are right about me.

You don't know me...but yet you assume you do.

and we all know what assume means, now don't we?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 jerseykev writes: I am having signs made to support Faith Based
 Initiatives and Social Justice in Monmouth County. When they are 
ready I
 will bring them down to the Adriatic, another friend of mine, where 
I
 spend my hard earned money for dinner out.I will distribute them 
there.
 Chicken Murphy at the Adriatic is my favorite.   I found Stanley's
 version after The Friendly Restaurant in West End went culinary 
years
 ago, and his remained my favorite.   Several years ago, whenever I 
tried
 to bring friends visiting from out of town to the Adriatic, they 
would
 be discouraged on the approach to the restaurant:  wandering souls 
from
 the neighboring homeless shelters. Ask Stanley K about those 
days
 and the effects those temporary fixes had on his business.  Ask 
Stanley
 if he would have preferred that Asbury Park had taken a different
 charitable approach back then?  And now?   For too long policies 
and
 practices around the country related to homelessness have been
 tantamount to putting a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound. This 
independent
 research tells us ...the importance of moving beyond a system of
 temporary shelters to one that includes comprehensive preventive
 services and concrete options for rental assistance and permanent
 housing. www.PublicAgenda.org http://www.publicagenda.org/   
March
 2007





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: STAND UP FOR ASBURY!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
  So, what do we do with the homeless Dan.  I know you long enough 
to 
  know you are reasonable.  I agree that dumbing and relocating are 
  wrong.  This isn't to say I agree with the three horseman of 
Asbury's 
  position - I do know quite abit about what is goin gon in this 
State 
  on this issue.  The State has no constitutional requirement for 
  shelter of anyone.  Homeless people are not a protected group.  
Many 
  cities in NJ are sanctuary citys for illegals but not homeless.
 
 What do we do? What will never be done. Make sure each community
 shoulders its fair share of the burden of social services. JSRM 
should
 be placed in Deal, or Elberon, or Allenhurst. How about Rumson? You
 see my point and I see yours. You see that no one else will take 
them
 so it doesn't matter if you are overburdened already (and that we
 are). I don't judge you. I know your calling impels you to you say
 what you do. But the cold rationalization is what I gave you above. 
We
 have enough already here. And we do for exactly the same reason 
other
 similar places bear a heavy burden of these services. Because others
 do not. Because of color.


See now Dan, I can talk to.
It must be because we were raised in Brooklyn.

I don't know how every one missed my main point.  The reason why 
Asbury has so many is because surrounding cities do nothing.

In the last 13 years in addition to my place, there has been a 
closing of Ruth house, Philip House, the home on Broadway by the 
dutch reformed.  with there being no actual shelter programs in Long 
Branch, a larger city than Asbury, it has put the burden onto Asbury 
unfairly.

I already know this, and knew it long before a lot of other people.  
I was there when it was explained to me, why they were giving me all 
this flack about Lighthouse.

Kevin




 
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[AsburyPark] Gen. David Petraeus says President Bush ’s decision in January to increase the n u

Petraeus says surge is working but Democrat disagrees
Posted by the _Asbury Park Press_ (http://www.app.com/) on 09/10/07
BY RAJU CHEBIUM
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WASHINGTON — Gen. David Petraeus says President Bush’s decision in January
to increase the number of U.S. soldiers in Iraq by 30,000 is working - a point
disputed by many Democrats, including one from South Jersey.

The commander of U.S. forces in Iraq said today American and Iraqi troops
have dealt “significant blows” to al-Qaida and Shiite militant leaders, adding
that it’s possible to reduce the U.S. military force to pre-“surge” levels
of about 130,000 by next summer.

Petraeus said a long-term commitment is critical to stabilize the situation
in Iraq, which right now is “complex, difficult and sometimes downright
frustrating.” He said U.S. objectives would be met, but in time.

However, Rep. Rob Andrews, D-Haddon Heights, said nothing in Petraeus’
much-anticipated testimony to the House Armed Services and Foreign Relations
committees changes his mind that the war is misguided.

The U.S. should no longer referee a “civil war” between Sunnis and Shiites,
he said.

All U.S. forces should be pulled out in the next 1½ years and the orderly
withdrawals should begin in 90 days, said Andrews, a member of the Armed
Services Committee.

The point of the surge, which Bush announced in January, was to reduce
violence and give the Iraqi government time to gain “legitimacy” to do its
job,
Andrews said. Petraeus’ report shows there’s been some reduction in the
violence, though that's debatable, Andrews said.

He pointed to a report last week by the Government Accountability Office
that shows the Iraqi government hasn't met seven of eight benchmarks of
progress.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Somewhere, Keith Olbermann is sticking pins in a Bill O'Reilly voodoo  
doll: Fox News' ratings, TVNewser reports, are down since August of  
last year. Like, way down. Like down 28 percent in primetime among  
all viewers, down 20 percent in primetime in the money  
demo (viewers aged 25-54) and down 7 percent in daytime viewership  
overall. In fact, the only place Fox is up is during the day, when  
they managed a ratings increase of just 2 percent, and even then only  
in the money demo.


And lest you think this is an industry-wide trend, consider this:  
over the same time period, CNN and MSNBC are up. CNN's up 35 percent  
during the day -- 46 percent in the money demo -- and up 21 percent  
in primetime overall, 25 percent in the money demo. MSNBC's ratings  
increases aren't quite as impressive -- up 6 percent in primetime  
overall, 8 percent in the money demo, and up 36 percent in the money  
demo during the day, 26 percent overall.



On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:


yea well jambands.com is not your FOX News type media. Also Fox News
the biggest ratings on Cable news. That means majority share. It is
really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays
 attention to her or believes anything she says...



 On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:

  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
  
   You need help!
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
wrote:
   
http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml
   
great Ann Coulter Interview...
   
  
 
  That's the name of her book.
 
  Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

Reporting on the ratings rivalry between the Fox News Channel (FNC)  
and CNN is often misleading--and almost always over-hyped.


Fox Tops CNN as Choice for Cable News, declared one typical  
headline (Chicago Tribune , 3/24/03). Fox News Channel Continues to  
Crush CNN , reported Knight Ridder (Dallas Morning News , 2/3/04) in  
a column comparing the rivalry to a party primary: Fox News Channel  
is winning the Nielsen caucuses. Last summer (8/17/03), the New York  
Times Magazine declared, looking back at the period of the Iraq  
invasion, Fox was--and still is--trouncing CNN in the ratings.


After exposure to countless similar stories published since January  
2002, when Fox was reported to have surpassed CNN in the Nielsen  
ratings, one might naturally conclude that Fox has more viewers than  
CNN .


But it's not true. On any given day, more people typically tune to  
CNN than to Fox .


So what are the media reports talking about? With few exceptions,  
stories about the media business report a single number for ratings  
(often expressed two different ways--as points or share). This  
number is often presented as if it were the result of a popularity  
contest or a democratic vote. But it is actually the average number  
of viewers watching a station or a show in a typical minute, based on  
Nielsen Media Research's monitoring of thousands of households.


The average is arrived at by counting viewers every minute. Heavy  
viewers--those who tune in to a station and linger there--have a  
greater impact, as they can be counted multiple times as they watch  
throughout the day.


When an outlet reports that CNN is trailing Fox , they are almost  
invariably using this average tally, which Fox has been winning for  
the past two years. For the year 2003, Nielsen's average daily  
ratings show Fox beating CNN 1.02 million viewers to 665,000.


But there is another important number collected by Nielsen (though  
only made available to the firm's clients) that tells another story.  
This is the cume, the cumulative total number of viewers who watch  
a channel for at least six minutes during a given day. Unlike the  
average ratings number the media usually report, this number gives  
the same weight to the light viewer, who tunes in for a brief time,  
as it does to the heavy viewer.


How can CNN have more total viewers when Fox has such a commanding  
lead in average viewers? Conventional industry wisdom is that CNN  
viewers tune in briefly to catch up on news and headlines, while Fox  
viewers watch longer for the opinion and personality-driven  
programming. Because the smaller total number of Fox viewers are  
watching more hours, they show up in the ratings as a higher average  
number of viewers.


CNN regularly claims a cume about 20 percent higher than Fox 's  
(Deseret Morning News , 1/12/04). For instance, in April 2003, during  
the height of the fighting in Iraq, CNN 's cume was significantly  
higher than Fox 's: 105 million viewers tuned into CNN compared to 86  
million for Fox (Cablefax , 4/30/03). But in the same period, the  
ratings reported by most media outlets had Fox in the lead, with an  
average of 3.5 million viewers to CNN 's 2.2 million.


Even among Fox 's core audience of conservatives, CNN has an edge in  
total viewership. A study by the ad agency Carat USA (Hollywood  
Reporter , 8/13/03) found that 37 percent of viewers calling  
themselves very conservative watch CNN in the course of a week,  
while only 32 percent tune to Fox .


On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:


yea well jambands.com is not your FOX News type media. Also Fox News
the biggest ratings on Cable news. That means majority share. It is
really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank God that nobody (except for a few fans of Fox News) pays
 attention to her or believes anything she says...



 On Sep 10, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:

  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
  
   You need help!
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
wrote:
   
http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml
   
great Ann Coulter Interview...
   
  
 
  That's the name of her book.
 
  Actually: Godless: The church of Liberalism

[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is 
 really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America!

Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Gen. David Petraeus says Presi dent Bush’s decision in January to increase t he nu

Petraeus Spent At Least 17 Days In August Flacking For Bush’s Escalation The Washington Post reported this weekend that the White House political office and Gen. David Petraeus’ unit have been “hard-wired” together, working jointly to “map out ways of selling the surge.”The White House has used Petraeus as a PR flack over and over again to sustain its failing Iraq strategy. Last month, Petraeus kicked his political activities into overdrive. He hosted over 38 congressional members inside the Green Zone, and he gave numerous radio, print and TV interviews. On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Petraeus says surge is working but Democrat disagreesPosted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/10/07BY RAJU CHEBIUMGANNETT NEWS SERVICE Post CommentWASHINGTON — Gen. David Petraeus says President Bush’s decision in January to increase the number of U.S. soldiers in Iraq by 30,000 is working - a point disputed by many Democrats, including one from South Jersey.The commander of U.S. forces in Iraq said today American and Iraqi troops have dealt “significant blows” to al-Qaida and Shiite militant leaders, adding that it’s possible to reduce the U.S. military force to pre-“surge” levels of about 130,000 by next summer.Petraeus said a long-term commitment is critical to stabilize the situation in Iraq, which right now is “complex, difficult and sometimes downright frustrating.” He said U.S. objectives would be met, but in time.However, Rep. Rob Andrews, D-Haddon Heights, said nothing in Petraeus’ much-anticipated testimony to the House Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees changes his mind that the war is misguided. The U.S. should no longer referee a “civil war” between Sunnis and Shiites, he said. All U.S. forces should be pulled out in the next 1½ years and the orderly withdrawals should begin in 90 days, said Andrews, a member of the Armed Services Committee.The point of the surge, which Bush announced in January, was to reduce violence and give the Iraqi government time to gain “legitimacy” to do its job, Andrews said. Petraeus’ report shows there’s been some reduction in the violence, though that's debatable, Andrews said. He pointed to a report last week by the Government Accountability Office that shows the Iraqi government hasn't met seven of eight benchmarks of progress.See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

Re: [AsburyPark] Gen. David Petraeus says Presi dent Bush’s decision in January to increase t he nu


Iraqis Say Surge Has Failed

More Iraqis say security in their local area has gotten worse in the  
last six months than say it's gotten better, 31 percent to 24  
percent, with the rest reporting no change. Far more, six in 10, say  
security in the country overall has worsened since the surge began,  
while just one in 10 sees improvement.
More directly assessing the surge itself -- a measure that  
necessarily includes views of the United States, which are highly  
negative -- 65 to 70 percent of Iraqis say it's worsened rather than  
improved security, political stability and the pace of redevelopment  
alike.
There are some improvements, but they're sparse and inconsistent.  
Thirty-eight percent in Anbar province, a focal point of the surge,  
now rate local security positively; none did so six months ago. In  
Baghdad fewer now describe themselves as feeling completely unsafe in  
their own neighborhoods -- 58 percent, down from 84 percent. Yet  
other assessments of security in these locales have not improved, nor  
has the view nationally.
Overall, 41 percent report security as their greatest personal  
problem, down seven points from 48 percent in March. But there's been  
essentially no change in the number who call it the nation's top  
problem (56 percent, with an additional 28 percent citing political  
or military issues). And there are other problems aplenty to sour the  
public's outlook -- lack of jobs, poor power and fuel supply, poor  
medical services and many more.


On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Petraeus says surge is working but Democrat disagrees
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/10/07

BY RAJU CHEBIUM
GANNETT NEWS SERVICE

 Post Comment
WASHINGTON — Gen. David Petraeus says President Bush’s decision in  
January to increase the number of U.S. soldiers in Iraq by 30,000  
is working - a point disputed by many Democrats, including one from  
South Jersey.


The commander of U.S. forces in Iraq said today American and Iraqi  
troops have dealt “significant blows” to al-Qaida and Shiite  
militant leaders, adding that it’s possible to reduce the U.S.  
military force to pre-“surge” levels of about 130,000 by next summer.


Petraeus said a long-term commitment is critical to stabilize the  
situation in Iraq, which right now is “complex, difficult and  
sometimes downright frustrating.” He said U.S. objectives would be  
met, but in time.


However, Rep. Rob Andrews, D-Haddon Heights, said nothing in  
Petraeus’ much-anticipated testimony to the House Armed Services  
and Foreign Relations committees changes his mind that the war is  
misguided.


The U.S. should no longer referee a “civil war” between Sunnis and  
Shiites, he said.


All U.S. forces should be pulled out in the next 1½ years and the  
orderly withdrawals should begin in 90 days, said Andrews, a member  
of the Armed Services Committee.


The point of the surge, which Bush announced in January, was to  
reduce violence and give the Iraqi government time to gain  
“legitimacy” to do its job, Andrews said. Petraeus’ report shows  
there’s been some reduction in the violence, though that's  
debatable, Andrews said.


He pointed to a report last week by the Government Accountability  
Office that shows the Iraqi government hasn't met seven of eight  
benchmarks of progress.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Gen. David Petraeus says Presi dent Bush’s decision in January to increase t he nu

Today in his prepared remarks, General Petraeus made the following  
statements regarding sectarian violence in Iraq. Unfortunately, his  
remarks raise as many questions as answers.


General Petraeus Claimed the Pentagon’s Methodology for Tracking  
Sectarian Killings Was Reviewed By Two US Intelligence Agencies, But  
Did Not Name Them. In his prepared remarks, General Petraeus argued,  
“We endeavor to ensure our analysis of that data is conducted with  
rigor and consistency, as our ability to achieve a nuanced  
understanding of the security environment is dependent on collecting  
and analyzing data in a consistent way over time. Two US intelligence  
agencies recently reviewed our methodology, and they concluded that  
the data we produce is the most accurate and authoritative in  
Iraq.” [LINK]
However, U.S. Intelligence Officials Questioned Pentagon’s Methods of  
Tracking Violence in Iraq. “The intelligence community has its own  
problems with military calculations. Intelligence analysts computing  
aggregate levels of violence against civilians for the NIE puzzled  
over how the military designated attacks as combat, sectarian or  
criminal, according to one senior intelligence official in  
Washington. ‘If a bullet went through the back of the head, it's  
sectarian,’ the official said. ‘If it went through the front, it's  
criminal.’” [Washington Post, 9/6/07]


A Military Spokesman Admitted It Did Not Track Shiite-on-Shiite or  
Sunni-on-Sunni Violence. “According to a spokesman for the Baghdad  
headquarters of the Multi-National Force-Iraq (MNF-I), those attacks  
are not included in the military's statistics. ‘Given a lack of  
capability to accurately track Shiite-on-Shiite and Sunni-on-Sunni  
violence, except in certain instances,’ the spokesman said, ‘we do  
not track this data to any significant degree.’” [Washington Post,  
9/6/07]


And, the GAO Found Claims of Decreased Sectarian Violence Could Not  
Be Verified. “On trends in sectarian violence, we could not determine  
if sectarian violence had declined since the start of the Baghdad  
Security Plan. The administration’s July 2007 report stated that MNF- 
I trend data demonstrated a decrease in sectarian violence since the  
start of the Baghdad Security Plan in mid-February 2007. The report  
acknowledged that precise measurements vary, and that it was too  
early to determine if the decrease would be sustainable.” [GAO  
Report: Securing, Stabilizing and Rebuilding Iraq, September 2007]
General Petraeus Claimed the Number of Car Bombings Has Come Down. In  
his prepared remarks, General Petraeus argued, “The number of car  
bombings and suicide attacks has also declined in each of the past 5  
months, from a high of some 175 in March, as this chart shows, to  
about 90 this past month. While this trend in recent months has been  
heartening, the number of high profile attacks is still too high, and  
we continue to work hard to destroy the networks that carry out these  
barbaric attacks.” [LINK]
However, The Military Does Not Include Car Bombings in Sectarian  
Violence Statistics. “According to U.S. military figures, an average  
of 1,000 Iraqis have died each month since March in sectarian  
violence. That compares with about 1,200 a month at the start of the  
security plan, the military said in an e-mailed response to queries.  
This does not include deaths from car bombings, which the military  
said have numbered more than 2,600 this year.” [LA Times, 9/4/07 ]


And, The Number of Car Bombings In Iraq Was Five Percent Higher in  
July 2007 than in December 2006. The number of car bombings in July  
actually was 5 percent higher than the number recorded last December,  
according to statistics given to the McClatchy news organization, and  
the number of civilians killed in explosions is about the same.  
[McClatchy Newspapers, 8/15/07]
General Petraeus Claimed the Number of Ethno-Sectarian Deaths Has  
Come Down By Over 55 Percent. In his prepared remarks, General  
Petraeus argued, “The number of ethno-sectarian deaths, an important  
subset of the overall civilian casualty figures, has also declined  
significantly since the height of the sectarian violence in December.  
Iraq-wide, as shown by the top line on this chart, the number of  
ethno-sectarian deaths has come down by over 55%” [LINK]
However, The Overall Death Toll in Iraq Has Risen. According to  
Iraq’s Interior Ministry, which provided figures to The New York  
Times 2,318 civilians died violently in the country in August,  
compared with 1,980 in July. Statistics compiled from Iraqi  
government sources by Reuters and The Associated Press also showed  
significant increases, although the precise figures varied. [New York  
Times, 9/2/07]


And The Comptroller General Said There Were Various Sources of  
Violence Statistics in U.S. Government Which Did Not Agree. “Others  
who have looked at the full range of U.S. government statistics on  
violence,

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God


Reality bites.

On Sep 10, 2007, at 7:08 PM, justifiedright wrote:

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


It is
 really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America!

Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Berkeley Carteret Hotel

2007-09-10 Thread charlie

When u stop back in, ask them the deal with the plywood window for over 
a year on the corner of Sunset and Ocean Ave, conference room. 
   
   I know the windows you mean.  As of last week when i went by last, all 
the large picture windows downstairs were replaced in that area.

   
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Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user panel 
and lay it on us.

[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
 It is 
  really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in America!
 
 Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?


My political view is way beyond the local arena!

New jersey is not the litmus...

Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting.

On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the 
Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 655,000 
Iraqi citizens.  I don't know who is doing her math?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin.  For you to say Conservativism 
is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention.

The only issue out there is Iraq.  All other issues that define 
people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political 
picture.

If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to 
survey the landscape.  

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ 
wrote:
  
  It is 
   really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in 
America!
  
  Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?
 
 
 My political view is way beyond the local arena!
 
 New jersey is not the litmus...
 
 Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting.
 
 On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the 
 Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed 
655,000 
 Iraqi citizens.  I don't know who is doing her math?





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Wake up people.? Ann Coulter is not stating anything that isn't true.

Guess who was friends with Ann Coulter when they were both in 
college?  Dan Jacobson (she dated his friend at Berkeley).

He said she is no act - she spoke back then exactly as she does now.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God


Tommy,

We should all try to get together at the Wonder Bar one night.   
Whether or not we can keep it open it would be good to have people  
from the list celebrating Asbury Park regardless of any other  
political or philosophical views.  There is one thing we generally  
have in common.  We may not all agree on the best way for Asbury to  
come back, but we all want Asbury to come back.


-Gary



On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:42 PM, justifiedright wrote:


I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism
is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention.

The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define
people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political
picture.

If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able to
survey the landscape.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
wrote:
 
  It is
   really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in
America!
 
  Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?
 

 My political view is way beyond the local arena!

 New jersey is not the litmus...

 Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting.

 On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, the
 Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed
655,000
 Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math?

[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

2007-09-10 Thread asburycouple

I'd definitely be up for that!



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tommy,
 
 We should all try to get together at the Wonder Bar one night.   
 Whether or not we can keep it open it would be good to have people  
 from the list celebrating Asbury Park regardless of any other  
 political or philosophical views.  There is one thing we generally  
 have in common.  We may not all agree on the best way for Asbury 
to  
 come back, but we all want Asbury to come back.
 
 -Gary
 
 
 
 On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:42 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism
  is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying attention.
 
  The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define
  people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political
  picture.
 
  If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able 
to
  survey the landscape.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
  wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
  wrote:
   
It is
 really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in
  America!
   
Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?
   
  
   My political view is way beyond the local arena!
  
   New jersey is not the litmus...
  
   Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting.
  
   On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, 
the
   Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed
  655,000
   Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math?
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God

We will.  Mario's buying me beer the last night (I think it's 
September 30).

I of course owe Oak a beer or three.

I think apoojo owes me one, also.   

It's either going to be a funeral or a re-birth.  Let's hope for the 
latter.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tommy,
 
 We should all try to get together at the Wonder Bar one night.   
 Whether or not we can keep it open it would be good to have 
people  
 from the list celebrating Asbury Park regardless of any other  
 political or philosophical views.  There is one thing we 
generally  
 have in common.  We may not all agree on the best way for Asbury 
to  
 come back, but we all want Asbury to come back.
 
 -Gary
 
 
 
 On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:42 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say Conservativism
  is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't paying 
attention.
 
  The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues that define
  people as conservative or liberal are barely in the political
  picture.
 
  If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd better be able 
to
  survey the landscape.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
  wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@
  wrote:
   
It is
 really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are rising in
  America!
   
Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do you?
   
  
   My political view is way beyond the local arena!
  
   New jersey is not the litmus...
  
   Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting.
  
   On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks on the WTC, 
the
   Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie declaring we killed
  655,000
   Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her math?
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] talking heads

Conservativism

I did not use that word I said Conservatives  Individuals making it 
into mainstream media...

For years it was dominated by leftists...

The popularity and the fame of

Sean Hannity
Ann Coulter
even O'Rielly is conservative ...

I meant the talking heads...

Peace Out

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[AsburyPark] Ugly Out There

In a message dated 9/10/2007 8:50:54 P.M., [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Doesn't bother me at all.  I don't follow the mainstream media  
LOL!   Jack Cafferty is getting lots of play with his
anti-mainstream claim and his book It's Getting Ugly Out There,
published today:   Anyone familiar with my daily 'Cafferty File'
segments on CNN's The Situation Room knows I'm not exactly what you'd
call the mainstream media's poster boy for feel-good news and
commentary. In your face is more like it.   It's been a target-rich
seven years for someone like me who enjoys pushing people's buttons and
sticking pins in things that need pricking, from rich and fatuous
celebrities offering foreign policy analysis to the latest lying Beltway
blowhard impaling himself on his sword of pomposity.   Amazon: Jack
Cafferty stands for common sense-the much-needed voice of reason who
skewers right-wing nut jobs  and liberal eggheads alike.  (U.D.: 
egghead - what mrs humpty gives to mr dumpty.)Click here:
Amazon.com: It's Getting Ugly Out There: The Frauds, Bunglers, Liars,
and Losers Who Are Hurting America: Books: J
http://www.amazon.com/Its-Getting-Ugly-Out-There/dp/0470144793/ref=pd_b\
bs_sr_1/104-8218062-7719155?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1189477397sr=8-1   
Out today and already # 54 at Amazon.  I think his first book.   Book
jacket: He's an equal-opportunity curmudgeon.

[AsburyPark] Re: Fire Sales?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...don't feel sorry for metro.
 
 The situation I see is how you go about selling something.
 
 If I walk into a place with couples (for example), empty nesters. 
 looking for something on the beach and willing to shell out over 
$1m 
 (each couple)
 
 1. EVERY unit should be available for sale (without begging). Open 
 the newspaper or turn on the TV...there are lots of opportunities 
for 
 people with this kind of DIPSOSABLE CASH. In the US, the Islands, 
 Europe etc.
 
 2. METRO CHUZTPAH - One pakring space. UNLESS u want to shell 
oout 
 an additonal $30,000 for a PARKING SPOT. Car not included. This 
isn't 
 NYC
 
 Wound up at Diamond Beach in Long Branch. I'll be buying one there, 
 priced for this market and standard units are finished AMAZING.
 
 As for North Beach, they still have a 10% off special on completed 
 units..
 
 They should take both take a hint from Hovnanian and run a 5 day 
SALE 
 for ANY UNIT.
 
 What do I know?


There is a problem with Diamond beach when the sewer authority in LB 
decides to freshen the air and in the heat... (shaking my head) thats 
why the west side of the building is so far below the east.

I had an opportunity to see the test reports for the SA, and they are 
not equipped to handle any more development.

KB



 
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