[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One major crime related problem in Asbury Park is that we have our own private 911 center, instead of merging with the county 911 center. So instead of spending money to put more cops and horses on the streets, we use it to staff an inadequate 24 hour call center with all the fancy equipment that this involves. Redundancy? In addition, being part of the county system puts another set of eyes on what is happening in Asbury Park. It's crime and it's policing as well. i personally think the horses are the biggest waste of money and manpower, oh they will look great on cookman at first saturday and will be nice in parades, but bottomline 2 more officers off the streets,i know its too early but i wonder how many citations they have given out? dog and pony show when we need foot patrols as far as the 911 i totally disagree with you, first of all to continue to be in the county system had serious defects, number one the cost , its not free the number i heard was well over 50 thousand last year, secondly the time factor i call 911 it goes to the county then back to ap fire or police, instead of directly to them, 911 is suppose to be for an emergency if i ever have one i dont want a time lapse while phone calls are being relayed, i would also think local dispatchers are more knowledgable about our streets, then someone sitting behind a switchboard in freehold, which again could be a worth while time factor, thank you Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Oh some level, I agree, but the police aren't doing sureillence, and aren't making arrests. Calvin, who lives across the street, says he's called the PD many times, and he's fed up with their lack of effort. Now, I know the PD already have their hands full, but please. How many phone calls does it take for them to get the message. And, when a concerned for their safety citizen like myself contacts the PD, worried about the kids that I just reported, and they don't even bother to ask my name, that's also a problem. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
You have a point, but the whole nation has moved or is moving to county based 911. We are not special in Asbury Park to think that we can be different in this capacity. We need to cut costs. This is a place where it should be done. In addition, did you see app.com today? Guy from Neptune served 11 years for killing and sexually mutillating a women is accused again of new murder. How does a guy serve only 11 years for killing someone, especially that way? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: One major crime related problem in Asbury Park is that we have our own private 911 center, instead of merging with the county 911 center. So instead of spending money to put more cops and horses on the streets, we use it to staff an inadequate 24 hour call center with all the fancy equipment that this involves. Redundancy? In addition, being part of the county system puts another set of eyes on what is happening in Asbury Park. It's crime and it's policing as well. i personally think the horses are the biggest waste of money and manpower, oh they will look great on cookman at first saturday and will be nice in parades, but bottomline 2 more officers off the streets,i know its too early but i wonder how many citations they have given out? dog and pony show when we need foot patrols as far as the 911 i totally disagree with you, first of all to continue to be in the county system had serious defects, number one the cost , its not free the number i heard was well over 50 thousand last year, secondly the time factor i call 911 it goes to the county then back to ap fire or police, instead of directly to them, 911 is suppose to be for an emergency if i ever have one i dont want a time lapse while phone calls are being relayed, i would also think local dispatchers are more knowledgable about our streets, then someone sitting behind a switchboard in freehold, which again could be a worth while time factor, thank you Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Oh some level, I agree, but the police aren't doing sureillence, and aren't making arrests. Calvin, who lives across the street, says he's called the PD many times, and he's fed up with their lack of effort. Now, I know the PD already have their hands full, but please. How many phone calls does it take for them to get the message. And, when a concerned for their safety citizen like myself contacts the PD, worried about the kids that I just reported, and they don't even bother to ask my name, that's also a problem. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
A major issue with 911 in AP -- it is misused for non-emergencies. Also many calls are made from pay-phones and then hung-up on. The cost factor is -- each call gets billed to Asbury Park. References to 911 should be removed from all police vehicles, it only ecourages calls for ANY type of police service. 911 is so universally known that displaying it is not needed. Police vehicles should have only the local AP Police Dept number so the public gets familiar with it. A local 911 center was in response to the high cost of County billed 911 services. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have a point, but the whole nation has moved or is moving to county based 911. We are not special in Asbury Park to think that we can be different in this capacity. We need to cut costs. This is a place where it should be done. In addition, did you see app.com today? Guy from Neptune served 11 years for killing and sexually mutillating a women is accused again of new murder. How does a guy serve only 11 years for killing someone, especially that way? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: One major crime related problem in Asbury Park is that we have our own private 911 center, instead of merging with the county 911 center. So instead of spending money to put more cops and horses on the streets, we use it to staff an inadequate 24 hour call center with all the fancy equipment that this involves. Redundancy? In addition, being part of the county system puts another set of eyes on what is happening in Asbury Park. It's crime and it's policing as well. i personally think the horses are the biggest waste of money and manpower, oh they will look great on cookman at first saturday and will be nice in parades, but bottomline 2 more officers off the streets,i know its too early but i wonder how many citations they have given out? dog and pony show when we need foot patrols as far as the 911 i totally disagree with you, first of all to continue to be in the county system had serious defects, number one the cost , its not free the number i heard was well over 50 thousand last year, secondly the time factor i call 911 it goes to the county then back to ap fire or police, instead of directly to them, 911 is suppose to be for an emergency if i ever have one i dont want a time lapse while phone calls are being relayed, i would also think local dispatchers are more knowledgable about our streets, then someone sitting behind a switchboard in freehold, which again could be a worth while time factor, thank you Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Oh some level, I agree, but the police aren't doing sureillence, and aren't making arrests. Calvin, who lives across the street, says he's called the PD many times, and he's fed up with their lack of effort. Now, I know the PD already have their hands full, but please. How many phone calls does it take for them to get the message. And, when a concerned for their safety citizen like myself contacts the PD, worried about the kids that I just reported, and they don't even bother to ask my name, that's also a problem. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
I don't know this for a fact and maybe someone out there knows, but with technology, the PD, may NOT have to ask, what your name is, due to the fact that caller ID, has been in the mainstream, since the 80's and was known technology at ATT, (experimental), but known, so they already know, that you are a frequent caller, may be seen as a nuisance, to them, but not to us. Authorities, forget, on purpose, how monies are derived to pay them and not necessarily from property taxes. State, local and federal taxes, are probably pooled to pay PD, Fire, etc., especially in AP, where firemen are paid instead of volunteer. Just saying that, to say, when you call in, you are seen as a frequent caller! Perhaps if more of us got involved and called, something, just might be done! Place yourself in their place, keep a diary of how many times a week, day, month, you call. Who knows, they may well be keeping tabs on you! Don't mean to run on, but I worked in Safety and Security, at one time in conjunction, with other managerial duties and I did keep a diary/record, of complaints/concerns. I'm not saying your calls weren't legitimate. You should also follow up with letters to the Mon. Co. Prosecutor/Sheriff, keep copies and retain a lawyer, on retainer, just in case. You may have legal recourse for the City not heeding your calls and JR, if you're reading this, please advise. Oops, forgot this is what you do for a living! Not looking for pro bono advice, but wondering whether we should form a safety coalition group, to show solidarity with Hinge on this issue! I live about 5 blocks from the park, never walk over there, but drive to the library, instead, but still interested in the welfare and safety of those living in proximity. I don't live on the West Side but I'm just as concerned for thier safety as I am for my own! I still drive everywhere from habit of living in the hills of Neptune, where EVERYTHING, was far away! One more thing, there is/was a citizens group, that is supposed to observe, the things that Hinge, keeps us informed on. Why aren't THEY patrolling this area? What is their purpose? I forget what they call themselves and they have an annual lights on march? When a little girl, was murdered, some time ago, a march was held and has been held yearly, in her memory. Her murderer, was never caught! I won't call her name, but if you've lived in AP 15 years or more, you know what I'm talking about. She was African-American and school age. The lack of follow-up, is so telling. It happened before the Louis Jordan era. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One major crime related problem in Asbury Park is that we have our own private 911 center, instead of merging with the county 911 center. So instead of spending money to put more cops and horses on the streets, we use it to staff an inadequate 24 hour call center with all the fancy equipment that this involves. Redundancy? In addition, being part of the county system puts another set of eyes on what is happening in Asbury Park. It's crime and it's policing as well. Just think how these county dispatchers could link crimes that are happening outside of Asbury Park to ones happening inside Asbury Park. I.e. The such and such drug gang did so and so in Neptune at 10:30 p.m. and then did such and such in Asbury Park at midnight. I think it would make it much easier to catch the criminals this way. I always find it such a joke that we are in so much of a financial crisis, yet we maintain the fire department and the police departments in a fashion that no other well heeled town with lots of money to waste would even consider doing. Borrowing from Frank: I speak for no one but myself Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Oh some level, I agree, but the police aren't doing sureillence, and aren't making arrests. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
I'd like to see what other people think about something else. Does our cities PD have any physical fitness standards? Now, I don't want to be thought of as a jerk, or mean or anything, but we have at least one officer who is incredibly out of shape. He is caucasian, and I often see him just hanging out on Cookman. Does this really present the proper image to the public? Also, what if an out of shape officer had to chase somebody on foot, or got into some kind of scuffle. Is it just me, or does anybody else think this is a problem? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: One major crime related problem in Asbury Park is that we have our own private 911 center, instead of merging with the county 911 center. So instead of spending money to put more cops and horses on the streets, we use it to staff an inadequate 24 hour call center with all the fancy equipment that this involves. Redundancy? In addition, being part of the county system puts another set of eyes on what is happening in Asbury Park. It's crime and it's policing as well. i personally think the horses are the biggest waste of money and manpower, oh they will look great on cookman at first saturday and will be nice in parades, but bottomline 2 more officers off the streets,i know its too early but i wonder how many citations they have given out? dog and pony show when we need foot patrols as far as the 911 i totally disagree with you, first of all to continue to be in the county system had serious defects, number one the cost , its not free the number i heard was well over 50 thousand last year, secondly the time factor i call 911 it goes to the county then back to ap fire or police, instead of directly to them, 911 is suppose to be for an emergency if i ever have one i dont want a time lapse while phone calls are being relayed, i would also think local dispatchers are more knowledgable about our streets, then someone sitting behind a switchboard in freehold, which again could be a worth while time factor, thank you Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Oh some level, I agree, but the police aren't doing sureillence, and aren't making arrests. Calvin, who lives across the street, says he's called the PD many times, and he's fed up with their lack of effort. Now, I know the PD already have their hands full, but please. How many phone calls does it take for them to get the message. And, when a concerned for their safety citizen like myself contacts the PD, worried about the kids that I just reported, and they don't even bother to ask my name, that's also a problem. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: We need a vision - we need a uniter
My eyes filled up, when I read your thoughtful reply. I'm sure many more, who feel as you and I do, could make a difference. Does anyone care what we think? Some do and some passionately do. None of us are divided on the quality of life issues, decent education, or safe and clean streets. Affordable housing, is hard to come by, everywhere and monies devoted to but hardly ever materializes and living wages are everywhere, but here! Asbury Works, did a helluva job, but can't do anything without sufficient grants! So, ever the skeptic; Where do we go from here? Do we need more police? If so, can the City ask for state funds? If not, why not? Are we to remain the whipping boy, for the State/County? How in the world, can we shed the image, when we still have problems emanating, from 1970, which were never addressed? Not asking you personally; just asking, is all. It's been 37 years, since the riot. The Mayor was just a kid, himself, when it occurred. He didn't create the abyss, this city is in and I don't expect him to solve these problems, by himself! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon, I do agree that the Mayor appears to be a good man with good intentions. That said I don't know that any of our current council members have the ability to develop and lead this city in a way that is clearly needed. We need a strong voice who can develop a real vision for tackling problems and transforming the city while uniting the city around that vision. From some of our council I've never seen a real vision, just individiual pet projects and initiatives. From others I've seen vision, but coupled with a divisive approach that prevents anything from getting done. That doesn't make them bad people or bad intentioned, just not necessarily the right people to get us past where we are at this point in time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
Is it just me, or does anybody else think this is a problem? Whatever happened to the old stop! Police! as they draw the gun ..or I'll shoot... Then one shot, in a crowd and down or like the old tv shows - the guy stops as asked, drops whatever he had... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Would web cams help?
If we can't wait for the city to install cameras, would web cams help? Apart from the technical issues, there are the safety issues. If the footage is used in court, and there's a revolving door on prison, could the criminal figure out which house had the camera and come back for revenge? Still, a ring of web cams and signs in the park saying, This park is protected by video surveillance through Neighborhood Watch Could it help? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Would web cams help?
I think we need to pressure the city to install the surveillence system that they already are talking about This is the most obvious tool available to them. When the 19 yr. old was murdered last week, the article in the APP said that the police are asking for our help. The surveillence system will help. It's been very effective in other cities, like East Orange. It's being installed in Newark. London has nearly 40,000 cameras. This weekend, I saw Bloomburg do an interview about how he is increasing the number of cameras in NYC to match London. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lindagriggsartist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can't wait for the city to install cameras, would web cams help? Apart from the technical issues, there are the safety issues. If the footage is used in court, and there's a revolving door on prison, could the criminal figure out which house had the camera and come back for revenge? Still, a ring of web cams and signs in the park saying, This park is protected by video surveillance through Neighborhood Watch Could it help? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Would web cams help?
Check out the following link. This is similar to the system already in place in East Orange; http://www.securityinfowatch.com/online/Government--and--Public-Buildings/ Bellwood--Ill.--Adds-Gunshot-Detection-to-Camera-Network/11990SIW349 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need to pressure the city to install the surveillence system that they already are talking about This is the most obvious tool available to them. When the 19 yr. old was murdered last week, the article in the APP said that the police are asking for our help. The surveillence system will help. It's been very effective in other cities, like East Orange. It's being installed in Newark. London has nearly 40,000 cameras. This weekend, I saw Bloomburg do an interview about how he is increasing the number of cameras in NYC to match London. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lindagriggsartist linda@ wrote: If we can't wait for the city to install cameras, would web cams help? Apart from the technical issues, there are the safety issues. If the footage is used in court, and there's a revolving door on prison, could the criminal figure out which house had the camera and come back for revenge? Still, a ring of web cams and signs in the park saying, This park is protected by video surveillance through Neighborhood Watch Could it help? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see what other people think about something else. Does our cities PD have any physical fitness standards? Now, I don't want to be thought of as a jerk, or mean or anything, but we have at least one officer who is incredibly out of shape. He is caucasian, and I often see him just hanging out on Cookman. Does this really present the proper image to the public? Also, what if an out of shape officer had to chase somebody on foot, or got into some kind of scuffle. Is it just me, or does anybody else think this is a problem? I know the guy you are talking about. He hung out at the paninni palace on the bw all summer and I thought the same thing. Then I was there that day that the two girls who could not swim went out in a rip tide and got caught on the rocks. That office sprinted all the way down there. I was impressed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
Well, that's good to hear. But, don't you think our PD should have some kind of physical fitness standard so they at least look the part? Like the State Troopers? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'd like to see what other people think about something else. Does our cities PD have any physical fitness standards? Now, I don't want to be thought of as a jerk, or mean or anything, but we have at least one officer who is incredibly out of shape. He is caucasian, and I often see him just hanging out on Cookman. Does this really present the proper image to the public? Also, what if an out of shape officer had to chase somebody on foot, or got into some kind of scuffle. Is it just me, or does anybody else think this is a problem? I know the guy you are talking about. He hung out at the paninni palace on the bw all summer and I thought the same thing. Then I was there that day that the two girls who could not swim went out in a rip tide and got caught on the rocks. That office sprinted all the way down there. I was impressed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Would web cams help?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the following link. This is similar to the system already in place in East Orange; I am all for a surveillance system. But remember - there will not only be a significant cost to purchase and intall it, but likely an even larger cost to monitor it. Technology is not a panecea, especially if it is not utilized correctly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Would web cams help?
On the other hand, more murders will hurt the city and cost us even more in the long run. Out PD is understaffed and they acknowledge that. Public opinion about AP is horrible. My boss continues to offer me money to move out of the city. I don't know a single outsider who thinks AP is a safe place. I have to believe that the funding could be found. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Check out the following link. This is similar to the system already in place in East Orange; I am all for a surveillance system. But remember - there will not only be a significant cost to purchase and intall it, but likely an even larger cost to monitor it. Technology is not a panecea, especially if it is not utilized correctly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's good to hear. But, don't you think our PD should have some kind of physical fitness standard so they at least look the part? Like the State Troopers? I know this is going to piss you off, and I do not mean it as an insult. But you are starting to complain about everything. Having children teaches you to pick your battles. Pick one and pursue it. Don't tilt at every windmill along the way. An overweight white cop is not contributing to the crime in AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
It doesn't piss me off at all. I'm talking about public perception. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Well, that's good to hear. But, don't you think our PD should have some kind of physical fitness standard so they at least look the part? Like the State Troopers? I know this is going to piss you off, and I do not mean it as an insult. But you are starting to complain about everything. Having children teaches you to pick your battles. Pick one and pursue it. Don't tilt at every windmill along the way. An overweight white cop is not contributing to the crime in AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the beginnings of my plan; 1) Contact Jim Keady. He already has a voice mail waiting for him tomorrow morning. 2) Meet with the mayor to discuss the situation. I may ask some of you to accompany me. 3) If it comes down to money, I am going to visit Madison Marquette, talk to them about the situation, and see if they'd be willing to donate some money, or lighting for the park. This whole plan may be a long shot. The PD is now aware of the problem. If I face difficulties, I'll contact News 12 etc. and see if I can get them to do a story. I'd love to hear any ideas that will help with this. I'm going to get started with this tomorrow, with my phone call to the Mayor. I also sent an email to Reidy last Friday. Hopefully he'll respond as well. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Sign me up Jack. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I truly believe that we can use this cause as a wake up call on many levels. Who knows, maybe saving one small park can have a broader effect if we can do it right. Who's with me? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather hmelissar@ wrote: Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the street from the park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church function the congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel safe going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around Christmas when there are a lot of night services, many members walk together in groups back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in the neighborhood. And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties. Jack - This is just a suggestion - In addition to makeing it known what you do not wish to see th eparl used for, why not develop a series of community benfitting uses for the park. If the park gets a positive name, the negitives will move away from it. Maybe some regular uses for pet activities, organized walks, fenced area for offleash activity, a local mutt show in the evenings. After work walks, etc etc etc. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
And honestly Dan, I am going to complain about obvious things. When I find a hypodermic needle, in a park where children are playing, and the city has been notified by multiple people about things like there being inadequte lighting, that's something to complain about. And if I see an overweight cop, I'm going to ask the question. It's not exactly complaining, it's observing. Sorry you have a problem with that. I'm only complaining about the things that I think will make a difference. Somebody needs to do it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Well, that's good to hear. But, don't you think our PD should have some kind of physical fitness standard so they at least look the part? Like the State Troopers? I know this is going to piss you off, and I do not mean it as an insult. But you are starting to complain about everything. Having children teaches you to pick your battles. Pick one and pursue it. Don't tilt at every windmill along the way. An overweight white cop is not contributing to the crime in AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Windows removed from Convention Hall
New windows on Convention hall! Ha! Told you Werner. My predictions were the of the summer, a little off. But it did happen. haha. No idea about the window on the boardwalk, it could be what you said, just testing it out. Maybe to show what it could be for potentioal buyers (if it hasn't been sold already. others have pointed out that it has been.) Are you sure the window is new? charlie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park
Good suggestion. I'd also like to say that my phone call yesterday as well as other things saw the park getting a massive clean up by the city this morning. Sometimes it pays to speak up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Here's the beginnings of my plan; 1) Contact Jim Keady. He already has a voice mail waiting for him tomorrow morning. 2) Meet with the mayor to discuss the situation. I may ask some of you to accompany me. 3) If it comes down to money, I am going to visit Madison Marquette, talk to them about the situation, and see if they'd be willing to donate some money, or lighting for the park. This whole plan may be a long shot. The PD is now aware of the problem. If I face difficulties, I'll contact News 12 etc. and see if I can get them to do a story. I'd love to hear any ideas that will help with this. I'm going to get started with this tomorrow, with my phone call to the Mayor. I also sent an email to Reidy last Friday. Hopefully he'll respond as well. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Sign me up Jack. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I truly believe that we can use this cause as a wake up call on many levels. Who knows, maybe saving one small park can have a broader effect if we can do it right. Who's with me? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather hmelissar@ wrote: Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the street from the park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church function the congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel safe going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around Christmas when there are a lot of night services, many members walk together in groups back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in the neighborhood. And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties. Jack - This is just a suggestion - In addition to makeing it known what you do not wish to see th eparl used for, why not develop a series of community benfitting uses for the park. If the park gets a positive name, the negitives will move away from it. Maybe some regular uses for pet activities, organized walks, fenced area for offleash activity, a local mutt show in the evenings. After work walks, etc etc etc. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And honestly Dan, I am going to complain about obvious things. When I find a hypodermic needle, in a park where children are playing, and the city has been notified by multiple people about things like there being inadequte lighting, that's something to complain about. And if I see an overweight cop, I'm going to ask the question. It's not exactly complaining, it's observing. Sorry you have a problem with that. I'm only complaining about the things that I think will make a difference. Somebody needs to do it. The park is a big enough issue to deal with. I am trying to be helpful. You want to stay focused on that. If you add (I won't say criticize) other things to the mix, you get written off. yes, crime and public perception is the umbrella, but like anything else, deal with one thing at a time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Windows removed from Convention Hall
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New windows on Convention hall! Ha! Told you Werner. My predictions were the of the summer, a little off. But it did happen. haha. No idea about the window on the boardwalk, it could be what you said, just testing it out. Maybe to show what it could be for potentioal buyers (if it hasn't been sold already. others have pointed out that it has been.) Are you sure the window is new? charlie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Not sure if the window is new or not, but its definately something I've never noticed before. It's a fixed glass, floor to cieling window with black trim on the second floor, on the south side facing the ocean. It could even be a window that was in there before the place was abandoned and boared over (not sure what kind of windows they had there when it was open). But it definately looks out of place, and the rest of the pavilion was boarded back up again as opposed to last week when all those holes were punched out. I'm thinking it could just be temporary to let light in for the workers inside? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
Ok, I'll take that advice. Perhaps I do need you to help keep me under control. Thanks, and I appreciate it. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: And honestly Dan, I am going to complain about obvious things. When I find a hypodermic needle, in a park where children are playing, and the city has been notified by multiple people about things like there being inadequte lighting, that's something to complain about. And if I see an overweight cop, I'm going to ask the question. It's not exactly complaining, it's observing. Sorry you have a problem with that. I'm only complaining about the things that I think will make a difference. Somebody needs to do it. The park is a big enough issue to deal with. I am trying to be helpful. You want to stay focused on that. If you add (I won't say criticize) other things to the mix, you get written off. yes, crime and public perception is the umbrella, but like anything else, deal with one thing at a time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Today's Asbury Press Letters
Tell incumbents to start packing I was not surprised to hear of the large number of New Jersey residents who have fled the state. (More New Jerseyans leaving state, Oct. 10.) I attribute this great escape to three simple things: the highest taxes in the country, the most corrupt officials in the country and the mass development using abusive condemnation and eminent domain. When you tax the people out, rob the people out and throw the people out of their homes and businesses, what did you expect would happen? These three problems are controlled by 120 elected officials sent to Trenton by the same people who later wake up and start packing to move. Those of us who have not started boxing up our possessions have an opportunity to do something to fix the problem. On Nov. 6, send all 120 incumbents back to private life by voting for some new Senate and Assembly people who are dedicated to lower spending, smaller government, fewer taxes, honest government and development without the use of eminent domain for private developer gain. Kevin Brown LONG BRANCH ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
tide and got caught on the rocks. That office sprinted all the way down there. I was impressed. Just proof that size DOES NOT matter Here's a story about a state trooper in that you bring it up. Years ago, I was actually at a city council meeting. At that meeting, there was a state trooper there - big. About 6'7. There was something on the agenda about a thank you from the gay state troopers association, When the time came, this very scary looking (size mattered) trooper gets up and proceeds to thank the city for allowing the gay pride parade etc etc, in his high voice. Many people turned their head and laughed. Me, I was impressed and asked someone why they were laughing. All I know is, if he pulled me over I knew he could kick my ass or due to his mattered size, I wouldn't attempt anything. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
Ok, I will forget about this one. Besides, I guess I'm kinda chubby in certain places, so who am I to talk? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tide and got caught on the rocks. That office sprinted all the way down there. I was impressed. Just proof that size DOES NOT matter Here's a story about a state trooper in that you bring it up. Years ago, I was actually at a city council meeting. At that meeting, there was a state trooper there - big. About 6'7. There was something on the agenda about a thank you from the gay state troopers association, When the time came, this very scary looking (size mattered) trooper gets up and proceeds to thank the city for allowing the gay pride parade etc etc, in his high voice. Many people turned their head and laughed. Me, I was impressed and asked someone why they were laughing. All I know is, if he pulled me over I knew he could kick my ass or due to his mattered size, I wouldn't attempt anything. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Would web cams help?
Gather the cost to erect a pole and mount one camera in the park. Get a few people to offer to donate that cost and see if the city would jump at the opportunity to test it out there. It would make for a good private public partnership. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lindagriggsartist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can't wait for the city to install cameras, would web cams help? Apart from the technical issues, there are the safety issues. If the footage is used in court, and there's a revolving door on prison, could the criminal figure out which house had the camera and come back for revenge? Still, a ring of web cams and signs in the park saying, This park is protected by video surveillance through Neighborhood Watch Could it help? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Library Park
Residents are not going to be able to get a handle on Library Park until Trinity Church changes it's policy. Currently Trinity Church runs a food pantry several days a week and a soup kitchen on Saturday. Most of the people using the program are truly in need and the church does a good job reaching out to them. However, the church also gives hand outs to substance abusers who loiter in Library Park and make life miserable for for those who live in the vicinity. Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public private property. In my view, the church has a responsibilty not to allow its guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance abuse programs they really need. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Park and th $100 Challenge....
--- has anyone offered up to the $100 challenge And I don't even live in the city. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Residents are not going to be able to get a handle on Library Park until Trinity Church changes it's policy. Currently Trinity Church runs a food pantry several days a week and a soup kitchen on Saturday. Most of the people using the program are truly in need and the church does a good job reaching out to them. However, the church also gives hand outs to substance abusers who loiter in Library Park and make life miserable for for those who live in the vicinity. Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public private property. In my view, the church has a responsibilty not to allow its guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance abuse programs they really need. Thank you for putting it gingerly. Quite frankly, I don't know why it is allowed in residential areas. It will be difficult for the immediate blocks to improve as long as it continues in the manner it does. While I am sure that many of the congregation live in AP, how many live within a 2-block radius and sees what goes on? How many live in other towns, drive to Trinity, hand out the food and get back in their cars and go home. These services belong in areas away from residences. I am tired of seeing the food and packaging from this service all over the park and the surrounding sidewalks, including my own. There is a parade of people up and down Asbury Ave going to this facility. As I said to Heather, some are real beauts. I don;t care how it sounds. I pay an awful lots in taxes in two states and to the federal government. I give to charities. As crazy as it sounds, the affluent have rights too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Taste of Italy - Dan made me a believer
So, Dan recently talked about Taste of Italy on Asbury Ave. near the parkway entrance. Wow. Awesome. I'm now a fan. I had a brief discussion about the fine points of mozzarella with one of the guys there, so I'll be taking the Taste of Italy mozzarella challenge. Can't wait. Thanks Dan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Park
If much of the mess is coming from Trinity church soup kitchen receipients, then shouldn't Trinity church be doing some of the clean up themselves? What about teaching some responsibility and getting some of these folks on clean-up duty? I'd like to see them direct people away from the park. The park has suffered from abuse for way too long. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Residents are not going to be able to get a handle on Library Park until Trinity Church changes it's policy. Currently Trinity Church runs a food pantry several days a week and a soup kitchen on Saturday. Most of the people using the program are truly in need and the church does a good job reaching out to them. However, the church also gives hand outs to substance abusers who loiter in Library Park and make life miserable for for those who live in the vicinity. Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public private property. In my view, the church has a responsibilty not to allow its guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance abuse programs they really need. Thank you for putting it gingerly. Quite frankly, I don't know why it is allowed in residential areas. It will be difficult for the immediate blocks to improve as long as it continues in the manner it does. While I am sure that many of the congregation live in AP, how many live within a 2-block radius and sees what goes on? How many live in other towns, drive to Trinity, hand out the food and get back in their cars and go home. These services belong in areas away from residences. I am tired of seeing the food and packaging from this service all over the park and the surrounding sidewalks, including my own. There is a parade of people up and down Asbury Ave going to this facility. As I said to Heather, some are real beauts. I don;t care how it sounds. I pay an awful lots in taxes in two states and to the federal government. I give to charities. As crazy as it sounds, the affluent have rights too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If much of the mess is coming from Trinity church soup kitchen receipients, then shouldn't Trinity church be doing some of the clean up themselves? What about teaching some responsibility and getting some of these folks on clean-up duty? I'd like to see them direct people away from the park. The park has suffered from abuse for way too long. I think they did start doing that and I believe they have been open to input from the community in the past and remedied some conditions. There has to be a better way. They pulled that religious nonesense when zoning was attemoting enforcement, although I know it was claimed by some that it was spot enforcement. What will eventually happen to some relgious group is that they will eventually get sued somewhere some day by a person or persons who get hurt or otherwise by their actions or clients. I know people in extremely close proximity who have over the years had to put up with horrors caused some who frequent the suop kitchen. Why doesn't everyone share the pain? How about the congregants take turns having the soup kitchen in their homes on a rotating basis? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Taste of Italy - Dan made me a believer
In a message dated 10/22/2007 12:27:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Taste of Italy on Asbury Ave. near the parkway entrance. Wow. Awesome. I'm now a fan. Great Panini there. And Ensalada de Arugula in the deli case. Also sauseech without fennel, hard to find locally. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Taste of Italy - Dan made me a believer
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Panini there. And Ensalada de Arugula in the deli case. Also sauseech without fennel, hard to find locally. broccolli di rapi too, although Mom's the best. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get back to the kid example. 1. You need a ride where? Pick up the garbage in your room. 2. Where's dinner? Go light the grill and clean up the yard. 3. I'm hungry. Can we go to taco bell? Yea, you and your friends clean up your mess in the yard. Get it? You want to eat, do some work FIRST, then you get your meal. (If it were really that easy at home as I make it, then I deserve a medal or a guest role on Oprah.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Taste of Italy - Dan made me a believer
Go Kosher. MA Meats on Monmouth Road in Oakhurt or Dougies in Deal corner of Norwood and Roosevelt. However, I have to go past Taste of Italy now... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Taste of Italy - Dan made me a believer
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go Kosher. MA Meats on Monmouth Road in Oakhurt or Dougies in Deal corner of Norwood and Roosevelt. However, I have to go past Taste of Italy now... Ben's is down the block from my office. Corned beef, brisket, matzo ball soup. Their slogan We cure our own corned beef, our chicken soup cures everything else. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Library Park
In a message dated 10/22/2007 12:49:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If much of the mess is coming from Trinity church soup kitchen receipients, then shouldn't Trinity church be doing some of the clean up themselves? They pulled that religious nonesense when zoning was attemoting enforcement, although I know it was claimed by some that it was spot enforcement. I know people in extremely close proximity who have over the years had to put up with horrors caused some who frequent the suop kitchen. I believe Trinity's rectory is no where near their church property. Might that be part of the problem? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Go Kosher
It would be great to have a real Jewish deli back in AP. In a message dated 10/22/2007 1:07:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go Kosher. There are no memories without the deli. My father has no memories without the store. His smile was easy. It’ll be nice to have it back. _Click here: Second Avenue Deli - Jewish Delis - Abe Lebewohl - New York City - New York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/magazine/21deli-t.html?pagewanted=all) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Go Kosher
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be great to have a real Jewish deli back in AP. In a message dated 10/22/2007 1:07:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go Kosher. Don't tempt me. My mother makes the best brisket (leave the grease) and chicken soup (the fat makes it). I make the best potato pancakes... But it nots kosher. Actually there could be some interest down the road in a real kosher or j. style deli. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Go Kosher
In a message dated 10/22/2007 1:33:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't tempt me. My mother makes the best brisket (leave the grease) and chicken soup (the fat makes it). I make the best potato pancakes... Jackie Mason had a great routine in one of his shows: The only people who look worse than runners are people who work in health food stores. Go into a Jewish deli, they're all hale and hearty... (something like that). ''Without fat, a pastrami sandwich is a worthless commodity. It must be very thinly sliced. It has to have a lot more meat than a roast beef or a steak sandwich. It must be very fresh rye bread with crisp crusts and caraway seeds and dark mustard, not that yellow mustard. Yellow mustard is definitely a loserWhen gentiles eat a correct pastrami sandwich, they become like Jews. They start out eating it with mayonnaise, and two months later when they see someone else eating it that way, they say, 'Yech.' '' Actually there could be some interest down the road in a real kosher or j. style deli. Why down the road? That long NYT magazine article is about a guy clever enough to sense that now's the right time. I'd say here too. Even in difficult economic times, there's always a demand for good basic peasant food -- maybe more so during periods of economic anxiety. Entrepreneurs line up: AP needs Sonny's soul food back, an authentic German restaurant, at least two Jewish delis (So we can enjoy their kvetchin' about the competition), and an Italian market (enough good Italian restaurants here) but not owned by partnered Italian brothers (They also fight and split up).
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Library Park
Again I want to thank Stand Up for the efforts because as we can see there could be problems from these facilities. - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:19:50 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Library Park --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Residents are not going to be able to get a handle on Library Park until Trinity Church changes it's policy. Currently Trinity Church runs a food pantry several days a week and a soup kitchen on Saturday. Most of the people using the program are truly in need and the church does a good job reaching out to them. However, the church also gives hand outs to substance abusers who loiter in Library Park and make life miserable for for those who live in the vicinity. Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public private property. In my view, the church has a responsibilty not to allow its guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance abuse programs they really need. Thank you for putting it gingerly. Quite frankly, I don't know why it is allowed in residential areas. It will be difficult for the immediate blocks to improve as long as it continues in the manner it does. While I am sure that many of the congregation live in AP, how many live within a 2-block radius and sees what goes on? How many live in other towns, drive to Trinity, hand out the food and get back in their cars and go home. These services belong in areas away from residences. I am tired of seeing the food and packaging from this service all over the park and the surrounding sidewalks, including my own. There is a parade of people up and down Asbury Ave going to this facility. As I said to Heather, some are real beauts. I don;t care how it sounds. I pay an awful lots in taxes in two states and to the federal government. I give to charities. As crazy as it sounds, the affluent have rights too. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] My phone call to the mayor's office and other things
So, I called the mayors office to discuss the situation in Library Square Park, but unfortunately, I have nothing to report as the mayor is only in his office on Fridays, and his secretary isn't in until Thursday. I find that to be surprising, but I honestly don't know what kind of hours any mayor keeps. I also sent an email to the APP the other day to find out why both the story about the 19 yr. olds murder, and the 8 shots fired disappeared from the APP website so quickly (I don't read the print edition any more) Anyhow, they said there is no new news about the 19 year olds murder, so there's nothing to report. Ok then. Next, this is how they responded to my question about the 8 shots fired at 12 teenagers; Re the two teens who were shot at, the story was not done as an afterthought, but given the other news of the day, since no one was hurt in the gunfire, the decision was not to put it on A1. To me, 8 shots being fired at 2 teenagers is a pretty big story. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: My phone call to the mayor's office and other things
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I called the mayors office to discuss the situation in Library Square Park, but unfortunately, I have nothing to report as the mayor is only in his office on Fridays, and his secretary isn't in until Thursday. I find that to be surprising, but I honestly don't know what kind of hours any mayor keeps. I meant to apprise you of this. Perhaps you did not know but the 5 council members, including the mayor, are part-time elected officials. They receive a stipend and I believe health benefits. The majority of the council picks one of them to be the mayor, thus, a mayor is not really elected by the populace. It is the city manager who really has the job of running the city from day to day. I think Tommy has some good ideas about how our governance needs to be reformed, in that we have council members elected from each of the districts or wards and elect a full time mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: My phone call to the mayor's office and other things
Thanks Dan. I also called the city manager earlier today but he hasn't returned my phone call yet. I also sent him an email on Friday so I'm still awaiting a reply to that. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: So, I called the mayors office to discuss the situation in Library Square Park, but unfortunately, I have nothing to report as the mayor is only in his office on Fridays, and his secretary isn't in until Thursday. I find that to be surprising, but I honestly don't know what kind of hours any mayor keeps. I meant to apprise you of this. Perhaps you did not know but the 5 council members, including the mayor, are part-time elected officials. They receive a stipend and I believe health benefits. The majority of the council picks one of them to be the mayor, thus, a mayor is not really elected by the populace. It is the city manager who really has the job of running the city from day to day. I think Tommy has some good ideas about how our governance needs to be reformed, in that we have council members elected from each of the districts or wards and elect a full time mayor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Clever and dangerous Open Land Bonding Measure
** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ---BeginMessage--- Kevin The Green folks are saying the Open Space bond act does not allow the state to use eminent domain You and I know it is always local governments that ue this power. Their fraud is exposed with this simple rule. You cannot trust your government This pdf (http://www.state.nj.us/dep/greenacres/regs.pdf) outlines the Green Acres Program rules. Page 14 reads as follows: 7:36-4.9 Acquisition by condemnation (a) A local government unit may use Green Acres funding to acquire land by condemnation in accordance with the Eminent Domain Act of 1971, N.J.S.A. 20:3-1 et seq. This means the exception contained in the following paragraph DOES NOT apply to local governments. Acquisition or acquire means the obtaining of a fee simple or lesser interest in land, including but not limited to a development easement, a conservation restriction or easement, or any other restriction or easement permanently restricting development, by purchase, installment purchase agreement, gift, donation, eminent domain by the State or a local government unit, or devise; except that any acquisition of lands by the State for recreation and conservation purposes by eminent domain shall be only as authorized pursuant to section 28 of P.L.1999, c.152 (C.13:8C-28). It also raises questions as to whether local governments will be able to use eminent domain under the Blue Acres program. c. The State shall not utilize the power of eminent domain in any manner to acquire lands utilizing funds made available pursuant to the Blue Acres bond program; such lands shall be acquired only from willing sellers. ---End Message---
[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful mission victory? Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in another homeless mission would be adverse to Asbury Park? Maybe, instead of trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we step up patrols in the area and not allow misbehavior. I think that's what Paul's post suggests. Responsibility is a two-way street. You just can't operate something and expect local enforcement to clean up the mess. For instance, if I recall correctly, trinity was not allowing its patrons to use its restroom facilities. Well what alternative did the have? Library Square. That may have been remedied. Then there is security. let trinity provide it. I could go on but won't. I don;t see Paul's post contradicting the position of SUFA. That would ven be if it were decided that soup kitchens should be congregated in particular areas. Do onto to others as you would have them do unto you. I was taught to act in other's homes as I would want them to act in mine. Treat their property as I would want them to treat mine. I doubt very few indeed would allow or want what goes on by some around trinity by their own houses or in their houses. Don't to it to mine then either. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park
Park update. Today, the park has been immaculately cleaned by the city. The fountain looks as good as it's gonna get. All the drug bags are gone, cigarette butts are gone, and litter is gone. This is a good starting point, and since things are so clean it will be easy to see the effects of what goes on in the evening, until the lighting is restored and improved. In addition, here's the email address for a contact at Trinity Church; [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email address is for David Stout, rector of the church. Please email him with your interest in keeping the park clean. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote: Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful mission victory? Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in another homeless mission would be adverse to Asbury Park? Maybe, instead of trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we step up patrols in the area and not allow misbehavior. I think that's what Paul's post suggests. Responsibility is a two-way street. You just can't operate something and expect local enforcement to clean up the mess. For instance, if I recall correctly, trinity was not allowing its patrons to use its restroom facilities. Well what alternative did the have? Library Square. That may have been remedied. Then there is security. let trinity provide it. I could go on but won't. I don;t see Paul's post contradicting the position of SUFA. That would ven be if it were decided that soup kitchens should be congregated in particular areas. Do onto to others as you would have them do unto you. I was taught to act in other's homes as I would want them to act in mine. Treat their property as I would want them to treat mine. I doubt very few indeed would allow or want what goes on by some around trinity by their own houses or in their houses. Don't to it to mine then either. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park
I'd love to see the area patrolled more. I don't think it's being patroled at all so far. Also, I'd like to see our PD start to pay attention to the many litterers that are trashing our city. Just this morning, there were 2 discarded 40 oz. beer bottles on my sidewalk. I'm really getting sick of that. Tickets need to be given out, and fines need to be imposed. I call out every single litterer I encounter. Usually, they tell me to go F myself. Now I remind them that it's a crime and I'll call the police. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Trinity Church does a good job of helping the needy, and Paul Vail goes on to say Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public private property. In my view, the church has a responsibility not to allow its guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance abuse programs they really need. Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful mission victory? Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in another homeless mission would be adverse to Asbury Park? Maybe, instead of trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we step up patrols in the area and not allow misbehavior. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 911 911 911 911...........
Sharon, Having been in a more technical role at ATT, I can add a little about Caller ID. Caller ID is actually called ANI, or Automatic Number Identification. Every time a call is initiated, ANI is sent along with the call data. In the early days, all that the data contained was the calling number. Later, database information was added to the ANI from LMOS (I think that was the Line Maintenance Operation System which included the subscriber's address. Whomever posted (I think it was DD) that the information is only 95% accurate is about correct. The introduction of VOIP (Voice over I.P.) made that accuracy even worse, but litigation has improved that number. I would think that the data of today comes from multiple sources. The divestiture of The Bell System certainly did not help this effort. One interesting fact about ANI is that although you can pay a small fee monthly to have Caller ID restriction or use *67 before dialing to hide your number, the number will only be hidden from the common folk. If you call a enforcement agency... or even a telephone Operator, they will still see the number you are calling from; in the case of 911, they also will see the address of the subscriber. Cellphones: About two years ago, a federal law was passed that ALL cellphones must pass ANI information to 911. A few providers also will pass GPS (Global Positioning System) information along with the ANI data. (If your carrier does this, it is usually disabled within your phone and available if you want it.) OK, enough about that. LOL If Asbury Park has E-911 Enhanced 911 the system is already logging the frequent callers which you spoke about. Some municipalities use that information to collect fines and / or prosecute frequent abusers. I agree with whomever pointed out that 911 should be used for emergencies ONLY... and that EVERYONE should know the telephone number of their local authority. And lastly... The Citizens group that you referred to is called Asbury Park C.O.P (Citizens on Patrol.) I met a few members this summer and made a monetary donation to their cause. (They were surprised that a non- resident was making a decent donation.) To contact C.O.P. with regard to assistance with Library Square Park (or anything else), please call Lawson June at 732-988-3269. If anyone can think of a way that I might assist in this effort (I am 3 hours away) please let me know. Congratulations to everyone today for keeping on topic and helping each other out! It was refreshing to read through the posts tonight. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know this for a fact and maybe someone out there knows, but with technology, the PD, may NOT have to ask, what your name is, due to the fact that caller ID, has been in the mainstream, since the 80's and was known technology at ATT, (experimental), but known, so they already know, that you are a frequent caller, may be seen as a nuisance, to them, but not to us. Authorities, forget, on purpose, how monies are derived to pay them and not necessarily from property taxes. State, local and federal taxes, are probably pooled to pay PD, Fire, etc., especially in AP, where firemen are paid instead of volunteer. Just saying that, to say, when you call in, you are seen as a frequent caller! Perhaps if more of us got involved and called, something, just might be done! Place yourself in their place, keep a diary of how many times a week, day, month, you call. Who knows, they may well be keeping tabs on you! Don't mean to run on, but I worked in Safety and Security, at one time in conjunction, with other managerial duties and I did keep a diary/record, of complaints/concerns. I'm not saying your calls weren't legitimate. You should also follow up with letters to the Mon. Co. Prosecutor/Sheriff, keep copies and retain a lawyer, on retainer, just in case. You may have legal recourse for the City not heeding your calls and JR, if you're reading this, please advise. Oops, forgot this is what you do for a living! Not looking for pro bono advice, but wondering whether we should form a safety coalition group, to show solidarity with Hinge on this issue! I live about 5 blocks from the park, never walk over there, but drive to the library, instead, but still interested in the welfare and safety of those living in proximity. I don't live on the West Side but I'm just as concerned for thier safety as I am for my own! I still drive everywhere from habit of living in the hills of Neptune, where EVERYTHING, was far away! One more thing, there is/was a citizens group, that is supposed to observe, the things that Hinge, keeps us informed on. Why aren't THEY patrolling this area? What is their purpose? I forget what they call themselves and they have an annual lights on march? When a little girl, was murdered, some time ago, a march was
[AsburyPark] Re: AP, shootings, and the Asbury Park Press
Thanks for your perceptions Werner. Maybe as citizens, we are foolish to expect those politicians who currently find themselves in power to solve problems as complex as gangs. I have been to enough town meetings to have a minimal amount of faith in the ability of some folks to deal with such incredible complexities. There are people in the country doing amazing things with gangs. Gangs incubate in places that provide them with kids who have little else. Asbury created that problem and has to take responsibility for that. Asbury is not the virginal little city that the SUFA folks would have you believe is susceptible to homeless people. There is a man in LA who has created an incredible organization that provides kids with a better choice. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to send an article. Unlike the Stone Pony, this really is something that needs to be talked about and considered deeply and lovingly. I doubt SUFA is capable of that, and they have the homeless to fight. I would love to chat further with anyone else who would like to discuss the gang issue. email me if you like. gabrielle Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Windows removed from Convention Hall
arcman210 - Not sure, didn't get to ride by today. I know they had a few square holes punched out in the walls for light. I don't think they would go thru the trouble of instaling a new window to let light in! I'll check it out one of these days, or maybe someone else already has. Still reading thru all the posts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park
Finally update for tonight, then it's time for some couch potatoing. I noticed that the light pole near the fountain is now intermittently working. It goes on a bit, then off for awhile, and when it is on, it casts a pretty weak moonlight kind of glow on the fountain area. It's something, but it's still not enough because even at full blast you can't see much of the central park area. Only one of the original lights along the pathways is out. Anyhow, thanks for the support today. We will fix this situation and make the park better for all of us. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to see the area patrolled more. I don't think it's being patroled at all so far. Also, I'd like to see our PD start to pay attention to the many litterers that are trashing our city. Just this morning, there were 2 discarded 40 oz. beer bottles on my sidewalk. I'm really getting sick of that. Tickets need to be given out, and fines need to be imposed. I call out every single litterer I encounter. Usually, they tell me to go F myself. Now I remind them that it's a crime and I'll call the police. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote: The Trinity Church does a good job of helping the needy, and Paul Vail goes on to say Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public private property. In my view, the church has a responsibility not to allow its guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance abuse programs they really need. Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful mission victory? Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in another homeless mission would be adverse to Asbury Park? Maybe, instead of trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we step up patrols in the area and not allow misbehavior. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Go Kosher
In a message dated 10/22/2007 1:29:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be great to have a real Jewish deli back in AP. BTW: for those too young or new here to know, Asbury Park did once have such a deli. Grossman's Deli, on Main St., near the firehouse. Confirmed by Google grin since even some of my contemporaries don't remember it: Asbury Park had Freeda's Pizzeria, Grossman's Deli, and Mrs J's Hot Dogs. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Council's Health Benefits
I remember about 6 years ago when the state audited the city, they said the council was not legally allowed to get the health benefits. The council as I remember just ignored this finding. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They receive a stipend and I believe health benefits. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Please Help
URGENT - IN LESS THAN 48 HOURS CONGRESS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD PROTECTIONS FOR TRANSGENDER WORKERS IN THE FINAL ENDA. TELL REP. Pallone TO SUPPORT THE BALDWIN AMENDMENT! Dear Geena, I need your help in the next 48 hours. Congress will vote Wednesday on H.R. 3685, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). Representative Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) plans to offer an amendment to ENDA to add protections based on gender identity. This amendment is crucial! This is our last chance to get gender identity back into the bill. We need your help right away to make sure your representative supports the amendment. We've called and emailed, but now we're sending faxes to show we mean business. Send an automatic fax to Rep. Pallone in support of the Baldwin amendment to ENDA, to make sure gender identity is included in the bill. There is not a moment to spare - this is your last chance to speak out on behalf of each and every member of the GLBT community. Once you've taken action, please forward this message to your friends and family to help us get the word out. This is a historic vote. For the first time ever, the House of Representatives is poised to vote on employment protections for the GLBT community. Help us make sure every member of the GLBT community is included in those protections. Fax your representative to support the Baldwin amendment, before the vote happens, and go to HRC.org to follow ENDA's progress through the House this week! Thank you for all that you do. Warmly, Joe Solmonese President Having trouble clicking on the links above? Simply copy and paste this URL into your browser's address bar to take action today: http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/enda_baldwin_final Dr. Geena Alessia Buono To Health And Back Chiropractic Wellness Center 710 Cookman Ave. Asbury Park, NJ, 07712 732-361-7252
